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[Azurro]

The game isn't released yet or even out for reviewers. Naughty Dog is doing what anyone should.

If this was post release and they were trying to take down negative reviews from people who actually played the game, not just saw out of context spoilers, it would be a different story.

No, this is not what they should be doing, there is absolutely nothing illegal about discussing leaks, regardless of whether those leaks were obtained illegally. Sony and Naughty Dog are reacting in a really nasty and disappointing way to the leaks, like a female body builder that has just lost at the Mr. Olympia tournament.

 

[stickkidsam]

If I had a dollar for every time I saw neck beards complain about “agendas” and SJW boogeymen, id be able to hire Troy and Ashley to do a live reenactment of the first game in my basement. I mean, that’s creepy and I’d never ask them to do that but...

I ask them again and again what is this “agenda?” And no one can answer me.

What are your thoughts on Anita Sarkeesian?

 

[Darius87]

No its done manualy.
Check this

do you avare that in this video might be possible spoiler for LOU2? at 4:15?

 

[cireza]

Sony will still get a pass despite their attitude, we all know.

 

[draliko]

Ok I can get (almost) behind the fact that some of you guys defend Sony or Ms when console warring (and by doing so looks stupid for everyone watching) but how in the fuc*ing hell you could defend Sony now??? Cmon.... This is just stupid and it sucks, they're shutting down opinions, what happens if I talk shit about tl2 on party chat they will terminate my psn account too? Cmon you must be blind if you're not seeing arrogant sony at work again, this scares me sincerely

 

[PropellerEar]

I don't like censoring opinion, but copyright striking YT videos that use illegally leaked footage is OK to me.

Won't watch the videos linked, I'm trying to avoid spoilers.

 

[Mattyp]

I don't like censoring opinion, but copyright striking YT videos that use illegally leaked footage is OK to me.

Won't watch the videos linked, I'm trying to avoid spoilers.

They're copyright striking YT videos that don't even use the leaked footage, just discussing the game and its stories failings. That's major bullshit.

 

[DForce]

Good.

 

[Darius87]

They're copyright striking YT videos that don't even use the leaked footage, just discussing the game and its stories failings. That's major bullshit.

at this point people spreading possible spoilers intentionaly or not just by talking or discussing no one knows what is true or not or person stealthy spoiling something or not, what nd is doing is preventing accidental or intentional spoilers. i'm myself probably got spoiled just by watching video who is posted in here.

 

[PropellerEar]

They're copyright striking YT videos that don't even use the leaked footage, just discussing the game and its stories failings. That's major bullshit.

Yes if that is happening, it's major BS.

 

[Cato]

Its called defamation, use your brain. no company is going to let you negatively review a product that isnt officially released in the wild or to reviewers yet. This is how you know youre on top. Is when people begin to reach and claw to peg you down. The only one doing spinning in this guy in the video.

That is retarderd. I can review whatever the fuck I want. Including shit that has not yet been released.
Go back to china.

As RdJ said while in blackface : never go full retard.

 

[Germuso]

Well, I agree this time,Fuck these youtubers.

Please don't be like resetera, drama everywhere.

 

[Malcolm9]

They're copyright striking YT videos that don't even use the leaked footage, just discussing the game and its stories failings. That's major bullshit.

So protecting your game that hasn't been released yet is bullshit.......ok then. If people are discussing actual legitimate spoilers due to the leak Sony & ND have every right to do so.

Some of you people in here are unreal.

 

[Paracelsus]

Well, I agree this time,Fuck these youtubers.

Please don't be like resetera, drama everywhere.

"We just want to talk about video games".

 

[Snake29]

I don’t give a fuck about these dumbass nerds, talking all day about “agendas” and “SJW”.

just give me the game i want to play, and let them stay angry during my time!

 

[DForce]

It's getting a lot of negative press around the YouTube circle. More so than ever at this point.

Can it hit over 3.5 million in sales in the first week? These guys think it's going to bomb because they believe "Go woke and get broke" but that's not actually true. If this game sales over 3.5 million in the first week, then that's going to be amazing.

 

[Mistershine.]

So protecting your game that hasn't been released yet is bullshit.......ok then. If people are discussing actual legitimate spoilers due to the leak Sony & ND have every right to do so.

Some of you people in here are unreal.

This kind of thing happens, whether it's a game, a movie, a TV show, a book, or an album. Even hardware details get leaked. Leaks happen and they get discussed, there is nothing illegal or nefarious about it. Just because Sony don't like the direction of the discussion that doesn't mean they can shut it down. They have a right to protect their ip from theft but not from unfavourable opinions, that's basically thought police tactics and shouldn't be given a pass for any reason.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

It's getting a lot of negative press around the YouTube circle. More so than ever at this point.

Can it hit over 3.5 million in sales in the first week? These guys think it's going to bomb because they believe "Go woke and get broke" but that's not actually true. If this game sales over 3.5 million in the first week, then that's going to be amazing.

3.5 million isn't a lot when your install base is 110mil and this is supposed to be the best game of your generation.

 

[DForce]

3.5 million isn't a lot when your install base is 110mil and this is supposed to be the best game of your generation.

The first WEEK.
3.5 million in the first week is huge.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

The first WEEK.
3.5 million in the first week is huge.

When GTA5 released they sold 11.25 million copies in the first 24h. Sure this was released on Xbox 360 AND PS3, so that's 160mil possible consoles, but that's still 8.4mil for 110mil consoles. So no, I don't see 3.5 million as a lot if this is your system seller, and the best game of your generation.

Obviously that's GTA5, but it's more than double of what you would be calling "huge" for a first week.

 

[Demon2blades]

3.5 million isn't a lot when your install base is 110mil and this is supposed to be the best game of your generation.

What planet do you live on ? those would be good numbers for an exclusive's first week

 

[Murr]

Critical Drinker really is the best.
Sometimes his channel gets a bit too negative though. Would like to hear more about films or games he likes and his general take on good story telling. But i guess the ranting gets him the most views and it is fun to watch for sure.
Smart guy.

 

[CobraXT]

I don't like censoring opinion, but copyright striking YT videos that use illegally leaked footage is OK to me.

Won't watch the videos linked, I'm trying to avoid spoilers.

who said they used the leaked footage ? i am sure 99 % of them just discussing the leaks

 

[Malcolm9]

This kind of thing happens, whether it's a game, a movie, a TV show, a book, or an album. Even hardware details get leaked. Leaks happen and they get discussed, there is nothing illegal or nefarious about it. Just because Sony don't like the direction of the discussion that doesn't mean they can shut it down. They have a right to protect their ip from theft but not from unfavourable opinions, that's basically thought police tactics and shouldn't be given a pass for any reason.

Opinions on the actual story are fine after the game has released. If you are purposely discussing huge spoilers from the game before it has been released it is a big no.

 

[Flintty]

That’s some kind of fuckery, and people are defending it?!

 

[Flintty]

The game is till under nda... what is so hard to understand about that? it doesnt matter that it leaked or not. You have to know you are talking about a game that is still under these terms. Therefore any company should have the right to take the appropriate action until the nda is lifted. Or the game is released..
if people were allowed to start spewing opinions months before a product was ready to hit the market that could potentially damage branding etc.

Would you apply this same logic if say, there was a leak of classified government information (I don’t know, UFO footage), and they came down hard on anyone even talking about it online?

No you wouldn’t. Stop defending corporations. This ain’t China.

 

[DForce]

When GTA5 released they sold 11.25 million copies in the first 24h. Sure this was released on Xbox 360 AND PS3, so that's 160mil possible consoles, but that's still 8.4mil for 110mil consoles. So no, I don't see 3.5 million as a lot if this is your system seller, and the best game of your generation.

You don't see it because you're using logic made up by Xbox fanboys.

GTAV sales WAY more than COD. You can't say CoD numbers aren't good because it doesn't sell nearly as well as GTAV.

Spider-Man, God of War, Uncharted are some of the best games sold on the platform. This means using attach rate to prove that it's great makes no sense.

 

[TriSuit666]

Hang on, there would be a lot of videos that have replayed the leaked footage.

Sony may have asked YT to pull videos with tlou2 in it to prevent airing of the leaked footage.

A regrettable but understandable action as it is their copyrighted ip. Nevertheless, if this is the case the sloppiness of the execution will undoubtedly add fuel to the fire on, what I can only describe as, this monumental pile on Naughty Dog.

Unbelievable.

None of the videos have used any of the leaked footage, in fact one YT explicitly made reference throughout his video only previously officially released assets by Sony and ND are used while discussing the news.

These videos very clearly fall under Fair Use / News / Gossip. I’d also argue a fair chunk of YT’ers who’ve had strikes have done so KNOWING they would receive them and it’s been a bit of an orchestrated campaign to show how stupid YT’s policies are in this regard. In that sense Sony and ND are getting everything they deserve with this move.

Also, can people please stop trying to make the stupid assertion that YT’ers discussing a piece of news are in any way liable under an NDA they’ve not signed. Y’all not that dumb.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Folks, just dropping a note in here. Same as the other thread. This topic is purely to discuss the morality of critiquing work based on leaked content that is probably out of chronological order, and if the copyright holders should be able to remove these critiques. This thread is not for spoilers or leaks. And any posted will be subject to the sticky in this forum. Unfortunately, some users are still posting content from the leaks or damning references to them, inadvertently or otherwise.


In order to indemnify ourselves, this post is to bring visibility that beyond this point, permanent bans as detailed here will apply. Proclaiming ignorance, innocence or 'it was an honest mistake' will not be a saving grace. It really shouldn't need to come to this, and most of you are upstanding posters with respect for others, but there are always some who will try to point score or be 'edgy'.

 

[Spukc]

Jesus the cringe of these videos.
Shit talking about pirated footage.

Not that i am getting this game if it turns out to be woke bullshit.

L

 

[Fitzchiv]

I hope some of you defending this shit haven't expressed any negative opinion about TLOU2 on here or any other platform on the internet then...

 

[rofif]

Lol they got nothing on rockstar.,
These idiots banned everyone twitch accounts who played their LEGITIMATE copy of gta 5 even a day before release. You buy the game in store, play and get banned.
Even better - these idiots banned twitch streamers who played the ps4 remaster a day or two early... they banned people who bough a remaster of 3 year old game who streamed it. You couldn't even tell what version they were playing lol

 

[Mattyp]

So protecting your game that hasn't been released yet is bullshit.......ok then. If people are discussing actual legitimate spoilers due to the leak Sony & ND have every right to do so.

Some of you people in here are unreal.

Tell me what any of the youtubers are doing that's illegal? The only one acting illegally now is Sony by falsely copy striking youtube videos. Sony & ND have no right to do so, they can go after the original leaker and that's it. You think Marvel takes anyone to court for discussing their movies before every member of society has seen the film? Wake up to yourself. Tell me what laws anyone who's having their videos wrongly taken down have broken.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Dont worry guys, Ghost of Tsushiuma comes out 2 weeks after, you can hold on to your wallets till then.

 

[pLow7]

Sony stock collapsed today. Any chance the leak had something to do with it?

It "collapsed" from 60$ to 59$. While going up from 57$ (before the leaks) to 60$ (after the leaks).

But sure, stock collapsed.

Oh, i have another:

Apparently Microsoft Stock collapsed after Sony told Gamesindustry.biz that they catched the leaker. Stock dropped from 167$ to 162$ in a day. disastrous.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Hey Sony:

First poster get ITT

Fight them evil Sony good my boy, you show'em da finger!

I think you don’t know what NDA means.




Ahh.... and if those reviewers are glorifying last of us part II and saying how great it is... then what? It’s allowed to stay online?

ND doesn’t have any right to censor content. They have the right to go against the leakers that have signed an NDA. But everything else? Is just bullshit censorship and must be stopped. They don’t have the right to control the opinion. They are not allowed to CENSOR AN OPINION. WTF

Ok I can get (almost) behind the fact that some of you guys defend Sony or Ms when console warring (and by doing so looks stupid for everyone watching) but how in the fuc*ing hell you could defend Sony now??? Cmon.... This is just stupid and it sucks, they're shutting down opinions, what happens if I talk shit about tl2 on party chat they will terminate my psn account too? Cmon you must be blind if you're not seeing arrogant sony at work again, this scares me sincerely

This is not about shutting down opinions or censorship! C'mon guys, we are talking about a work product that was 'stolen' and made public. Either you're selling a book, a film or a game, you don't want your new criatons almost entire plot to go public because you're going to loose sales/first buyers, and you are going to loose hype, etc.
Every time one of these influent youtubers is sharing is opinion, he's contributing to that illegal activity _ he's spreading stolen information to a further audience, even without showing nothing he's talking about and revealing the games story (the main problem here).

 

[cormack12]

No way this game is gonna bomb. It will be exactly like the threats the other side say like not buying latest AC game because there's not a specific female campaign. Both sides are very, very small numbers in the grand scheme of things who are tuned into these things. If it was primarily an online game then maybe - those tend to feel the backlash more because they tend to have more people following online creators, builders etc. so are more likely to be exposed to this stuff. I don't think it will sell as much as TLOU because you had a lot of people moving to PS4 from X360 who hadn't played it, so picked up the remastered copy as well and you had a lot of people rebuy it for the enhancements on PS4. I think in hindsight rebuying the game only produced marginal gains and it won't be as appealing this gen (not just for TLoU but for many cross gen titles), and people will focus on old IP's being remastered which had significant gains.

Personally I've always held the opinion it won't be as good or as gripping as TLoU originally was either. The story was solid, tight and finished. I don't think the story is going to be as strong which means people wont be tempted to rebuy it as they think it's a one off type of game. That's just my speculation though:

2 Will sell well
2 Will sell less than 1
Critically acclaimed
Users reviews peg it at 4-6 which will be blamed on misogynists and sexists
TLOU3 will release and sell worse again.

 

[pLow7]

First poster get ITT

Fight them evil Sony good my boy, you show'em da finger!



This is not about shutting down opinions or censorship! C'mon guys, we are talking about a work product that was 'stolen' and made public. Either you're selling a book, a film or a game, you don't want your new criatons almost entire plot to go public because you're going to loose sales/first buyers, and you are going to loose hype, etc.
Every time one of these influent youtubers is sharing is opinion, he's contributing to that illegal activity _ he's spreading stolen information to a further audience, even without showing nothing he's talking about and revealing the games story (the main problem here).

The fuck are these screens? That DF Dude is part of Discord Group with Xbox Fanboys? LuL

 

[Cato]

3.5 million isn't a lot when your install base is 110mil and this is supposed to be the best game of your generation.

I think anything under 25 million would be a failure.
Under 20 million would be bad.
Under 15 million would be catastrophic and heads will publicly roll.

EarthDefenceForce can sell 10M and be a huge success. Not so much so for TLOU.

It is the most anticipated game ever. Most expensive ever? (possibly)
and a followup to the biggest game of the previous generation.

No matter what. This game will have production qualities that no other game ever has been close to.
No matter what, gaming will become split before-TLOU2 and after-TLOU2. Don't miss it.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Closing the door after the horse has bolted. And copyright striking people for simply talking about the game is complete bullshit.

 

[FranXico]

The fuck are these screens? That DF Dude is part of Discord Group with Xbox Fanboys? LuL

Impartiality in technical analysis is a silly thing to strive for.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You guys should move to china or north korea if you love authoritarian regimes so much

 

[Azurro]

Opinions on the actual story are fine after the game has released. If you are purposely discussing huge spoilers from the game before it has been released it is a big no.

You don't understand how these things work. You cannot claim copyright on other people's opinions based on publicly available information, whether you are protecting your game or not. What Sony and ND are doing is wrong and would never stand up in court, they are bullying smaller channels that are discussing the leaks.

 

[eot]

This is not about shutting down opinions or censorship! C'mon guys, we are talking about a work product that was 'stolen' and made public. Either you're selling a book, a film or a game, you don't want your new criatons almost entire plot to go public because you're going to loose sales/first buyers, and you are going to loose hype, etc.
Every time one of these influent youtubers is sharing is opinion, he's contributing to that illegal activity _ he's spreading stolen information to a further audience, even without showing nothing he's talking about and revealing the games story (the main problem here).

Yeah you don't want, but tough shit. They don't have the right to shut people up.

 

[Gediminas]

ND/Sony/Fanboys doing damage control.

One guy doesn't know what nda is and his cheerleader calling people names because they don't like the obvious direction of the game lol.

Druckman posting that quote basically saying "don't like it, don't buy it" too. Its like this moron want sabotage ND.

stop generalizing ND/Sony people.

 

[SleepDoctor]

stop generalizing ND/Sony people.

Thread is "Naughty Dog/Sony copy striking". You want to be offended? Go to resetera. You wouldn't have a problem if this was a dogpile on ms.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

You can tell the true quality of videogame writing from the fact whenever we get spoilers the defense sounds like
"You should allow the developers to scam people, take their money, have the media defend that lame ass story and after they spun the narrative positively you maybe are allowed to complain about it"

Yep.
Imo, the most disturbing thing about all of this is how willing gaming journalists are to jump on and defend companies. You don't see them talking about bad business practices, probing why games are delayed seemingly randomly and without any transparency, or how workers are treated.

 

[Compsiox]

If they're legit analyzing old footage as if it's the final product then I think it's justified.

If they're just posting the footage without analyzing it, I don't know about that.

I think the cost of handling it this way is low for Sony. People will forget about this in like a week or two.

 

[MasterDerico]

You woke, you broke.

 

[GHG]

First poster get ITT

Fight them evil Sony good my boy, you show'em da finger!



This is not about shutting down opinions or censorship! C'mon guys, we are talking about a work product that was 'stolen' and made public. Either you're selling a book, a film or a game, you don't want your new criatons almost entire plot to go public because you're going to loose sales/first buyers, and you are going to loose hype, etc.
Every time one of these influent youtubers is sharing is opinion, he's contributing to that illegal activity _ he's spreading stolen information to a further audience, even without showing nothing he's talking about and revealing the games story (the main problem here).

Careful, he might copyright strike those images.