In other words, of course XSX can run Lumen and Nanite.Why a "like" to that post would make you that/xbox fan?
Tim Sweeney is basically confirming there that UE5 is tailored for the PS5 SSD I/O unit
.We already knew that Nanite and Lumen tech will be fully supported on Xbox Series X. Pretty sure that XSX will show its own UE5 tech demo soon too
They normally release the demos for you to run in UE on your hardware. So I am sure we will get this demo like they have done with the others once UE5 is out, so it will be interesting to see how it scales across different PCs.
MS already did that with minecraft RT
We need to be less tribalistic and more fair.Bottom line, some people get extra defensive or respond this way because they get over enthused. I agree it's not fair to paint whole groups with the same brush. Although, that's a tendency we have as humans...it's kind of what our history has largely been based on and is the reasons we have countries, borders and have split ourselves into "races" when we are verifiably the exact same species.
Less capable platforms could aim for more realistic approaches like toned down 1080p,2K, 4K assets. The demo just used mind-blowing, uncompressed Hollywood-level 8K assets. The amazing Rebirth trailer by Quixel used 4K assets compressed by 25% at smaller ratio of 2.39:1 semi-4K@24fps. PS5 is more likely to use more of those 4K and some 8K assets and getaway with it with it's unprecedented SSD and i/o, less capable platforms may use compressed 4K or 1080p down to 240p assets to avoid stutter and buffer due to slower architecture and overall process.
See it run like shit like every other unity game
Uh... I don't see how anything I said is 'playing the victim'? Would someone saying that others are pretending the PS5 is 5TF, as an exaggeration of people saying 8TF or 9TF or whatever, be considered 'victim playing'? I don't think so. So what are we talking about here? And this is part of the problem. You can't call out this behavior on one side but you can from the other, and that is bollocks. This behavior you're talking about is prevalent among all competition. Sony vs Microsoft, AMD vs nVidia, Intel vs AMD, Forza vs GT, you name it. No one group has one specific behavior, and your specific targeting of so-called "Xbox fans" says a lot. If we were actually trying to understand the technology rather than both sides trying to brag and boast which one has the bigger e-peen, we would be able to get somewhere. And the issue is that someone neutral is dragged into it, and that is EXTREMELY frustrating. The majority of my posts are about understanding what is really happening and what we really know. I call out illogical conclusions, try to explain things, but for some reason that is seen as hating the PS5, or downplaying its SSD, or being an "Xbox fan". I get tired of this nonsense. I get this a lot less from the other side, ironically.
Draw calls are key for the traditional rendering method. But so much has changed with Nanite, that we really cannot think of rendering in the same way. Draw calls are indeed done by the CPU. The whole DX12/Vulkan thing was focused on draw calls, where DX11 was basically trash at using the CPU for draw calls, and DX12/Vulkan are much more capable of leveraging the CPU. How Nanite works exactly right now is unclear. We have a lot of info, but some of the details are still unknown, and most likely will remain so for now. That's why developers themselves are baffled. I mean, rendering without draw calls is an immediate wtf.
Except they were specific that Nanite did away with LODs.Bingo. This is largely what I think was meant with the 'scaled down' comment. Maybe other platforms can do all the same but not the 8k assets streamed in? Or maybe they can. We'll see as we get more information. That's the problem right now...we're all fumbling around in a dark room looking for the light switch and with only a half burned thru match to light the way!
this is so silly. its great that it scales with compute which should be great news for xbox series x, but there is no reason to downplay the ssd after all the comments tim sweeney has made.SlimySnake
Did you see Dictator's post in the NXgamer thread? Absolutely hilarious, here it is:
Even though in the first few minutes of the UE5 reveal where the developer specifically states that all of the polygon detail is made possible due to the SSD streaming polygons in, he's still on here trying to downplay it as though "we don't know how it scales". He even tries to downplay the SSD by saying that there's not as much normal map data and so forth. He even goes on to say specifically that UE5 should scale with GPU power to try and pain the narrative that SSD isn't hugely responsible for this but somehow a 15% difference in GPU power will be an enormous scaling of power.
It's amazing the lengths he's going to downplay Sony's SSD, though completely predictable.
This was running at 1080p@30FPS with ray-traced global illumination, shadows and reflections enabled all at the same time right? REALLY interested to see how PS5 does hardware-accelerated triangle-based ray-tracing. Guess we'll find out June 4th. (Hopefully)From the DF video: 1080p@29.97fps
you’re playing the victim because you frame yourself as a poor neutral man getting caught in a console flamewar, when you’re the one stirring the pot. You’re downplaying any official/expert statements praising the ps5, and exaggerate whatever little hate the xsx is getting In this thread.
Can I have Metroid Prime 4 using Nanite ?Less capable platforms could aim for more realistic approaches like toned down 1080p,2K, 4K assets. The demo just used mind-blowing, uncompressed Hollywood-level 8K assets. The amazing Rebirth trailer by Quixel used 4K assets compressed by 25% at smaller ratio of 2.39:1 semi-4K@24fps. PS5 is more likely to use more of those 4K and some 8K assets and getaway with it with its unprecedented SSD and i/o, less capable platforms may use compressed 4K or 1080p down to 240p assets to avoid stutter and buffer due to slower architecture and overall process.
Things are unclear... It was stated in a Eurogamer article that one statue uses 24 8K textures. That would amount to 24 x 7680 x 4320 x 32 / (8,000,000,000) = 3.2GB of assets for one statue. If all statues are the same, no duplicate data is necessary. In any case, the full uncompressed statue can be fully streamed in less than a second (0.6 seconds) by the PS5, while the XSX would take 1.3 seconds. As a reference, an HDD at 50 MB/s would take 64 seconds.
Aaaaand there we go again...
No man, they are trying to be on top. But I pray you are wrong. Lots going on!See it run like shit like every other unity game
Spot on, that’s why I finally had to follow you. I do have something to tell you in PM and no it’s nothing gay hahaha before everyone starts going after me again for my user name.Well, so far, it's been using "software-based" global illumination on the PS5, which is the most critical type of Ray Tracing that's much more visible that reflections that need certain reflective surfaces. So with that lifted with HW RT later on when they implement it that demo should benefit from higher resolution/framerates. Plus, we're not sure if it was utilizing The Tempest 3D Audio engine or it was using only traditional, pre-baked audio behavior. Global illumination, shadows, reflections were all used in video in real time to some extent, not sure if ray-traced audio. All of those taxing types aren't utilizing the built-in HW RT.
Path tracing does it all. From GI to Shadows to Reflections and Ambient Occlusion. That's why it's way more taxing and computationally expensive than bog standard Raytracing.Well, so far, it's been using "software-based" global illumination on the PS5, which is the most critical type of Ray Tracing that's much more visible that reflections that need certain reflective surfaces. So with that lifted with HW RT later on when they implement it that demo should benefit from higher resolution/framerates. Plus, we're not sure if it was utilizing The Tempest 3D Audio engine or it was using only traditional, pre-baked audio behavior. Global illumination, shadows, reflections were all used in video in real time to some extent, not sure if ray-traced audio. All of those taxing types aren't utilizing the built-in HW RT.
*next twitter post*
“Yeah... but why though?”
If the rumor about an October launch is true, perhaps
It will go live when Sony announces the price... they can do that up to September for a November release imo.
That should include a console reveal right? Judging by the controller design and rumours the PS5 design should be something which will look ridiculously amazing and cool (pun intended lol)
I don't understand, are you trying to so that by utilising the dedicated RT hardware in the PS5 it will increase the frame rate and resolution because the other parts of the CPU/GPU won't be taxed as much?
I believe he is trying to say that software RT like UE does is way more taxing to GPU than if it used the hardware RT.
how many games will they show?
Not but many people in Nintendo I am sure they can use programs like ZBrush.
at the event theyre gonna have a box covered with a white sheet on a pedestal. no one acknowledges it until an hour and a half in cerny looks at it, then the stream ends
cerny : and I think you'll be quite pleased with what our design team has come up with when we reveal it's design a day before the launch!
