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[killatopak]

I don’t really have anything to add to the discussion but my opinion.

I applaud the woman for coming out if the allegations are true. I don’t know what punishment AJ will be given but at the very least it would cut out his sponsors.

On the other hand, if the allegations are false, I hope it won’t do too much of a damage to AJ’s name since public relations is kinda big in the Youtube industry.

All I wish are for the people to be patient and wait for the evidence that supports or denies the allegation towards AJ. This is not a case where evidence isn’t recorded or seen by other people. If what Angry Joe’s response written is true then there should be witnesses and pictures to help bring light to this issue.

 

[Blond]

I call bullshit. No guy that fucked more than 2 women has ever used that line.

Yeah I'm really not trying to be "that guy" but this is shit an incel says through and through.

 

[kittoo]

You know whats funny about these Reeeetards?
Its that in real life, they will FOR SURE be even more manipulative, sexually thirsty, almost rapey, women objectifying, harassing people. Because theyve got no game. These are virgins masquerading as 'feminists' in hopes of getting sex while in real life people who actually got game get sex. So these guys hate normal people.
Given a chance and no consequences, trust me, these guys WILL go to any extent to get a girl- including things they accuse others of. Funny thing is, they almost assuredly do some of these creepy things already and yet get nothing

 

[Nico_D]

These bans are both hilarious and shocking. He said he is in the middle, someone accused him of taking sides. He asked if the other person knows what "middle" means.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

Honestly, the more ERA stirs up hate and works to cancel Joe, the more he will likely be able to show damages from their actions, which will land back on the woman if this moves forward in court.

 

[ambar_hitman]

I am back here forever. After seeing the posts on reee about this topic, I was disgusted to the core. Never going back there ever again. This SJW shit and social media trials+lynching has to stop. If women have evidence, they should go to court or police with their evidence instead of posting it on social media. Many careers have been absolutely ruined because of false or overblown allegations. Good on Angryjoe for taking a legal step and shutting up her for good. The whole metoo movement is toxic and one-sided.

 

[DarkMage619]

I don’t really have anything to add to the discussion but my opinion.

I applaud the woman for coming out if the allegations are true. I don’t know what punishment AJ will be given but at the very least it would cut out his sponsors.

On the other hand, if the allegations are false, I hope it won’t do too much of a damage to AJ’s name since public relations is kinda big in the Youtube industry.

All I wish are for the people to be patient and wait for the evidence that supports or denies the allegation towards AJ. This is not a case where evidence isn’t recorded or seen by other people. If what Angry Joe’s response written is true then there should be witnesses and pictures to help bring light to this issue.

Unless he was accused of a crime there will be no justice here. He has so much more to lose than she does and it still looks a lot like a he said she said situation. If she is lying nothing will really happen to her but he could lose tons. If she had a problem with something he did it private it should be handled there. For her to run to a public forum and hurl accusations is wrong especially if her claims are never vetted. I hope he doesn't lose too much business because he worked hard to get where he is.

 

[Orpheum]

TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter

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His Statement. It's not that long

...This is now a serious legal matter. On the advice of my attorneys, all my future statements about this will be through the legal process. My lawyers are sending this person a cease and desist letter. Of course she is free to express her opinions about me all she wants. What she is not allowed to do is lie about me or defame me to the public and suggest that I am a sexual predator when I am not. If her defamation continues, I will be forced to take further legal action...

 

[Mobilemofo]

I believe her. I've known people like this in my past. Bit of fame fucks people up.. Only a youtuber at the end of the day. Equiv to a C list celeb similar bollocks.

 

[cormack12]

1. She willingly went to his hotel room because he told her that he needed to quickly do something and then leave; he didn't tell her that he wanted her to take a shower with him and have sex. He brought her to his hotel room under false pretenses.

He specifically tells her he is going to shower before she agrees to go back, in her own account

 

[BluRayHiDef]

He specifically tells her he is going to shower before she agrees to go back, in her own account

That doesn't include asking her to shower with him or snuggle with him on a bed. He was being deceptive (assuming that this story is true).

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Funny story, I rarely ever resort to personal insults in arguments here, and i get into alot of them. I've been called all sorts of shit for the positions I take on conversations here.

The very first time I decided to stoop down to being a piece of shit like some of the other posters here and just start overtly calling people names, i immediately got warned for "spreading SJW nonsense" in "previous threads". So people are free to say whatever they want, as long as moderation agrees with them.

LordKasual


I reviewed the logs for this and this is inaccurate. You were reported for ruining a bunch of threads with the same sort of comments with no intention to actually discuss further. The entire warning message on your account reads as such:


"User running into threads and injecting SJW nonsense into them. Not the first time, see logs in report history. Warning added and ban to follow if they persist"


This had nothing to do with profanity/insults (I'm not actually sure there is any in the posts that were audited). While we could list out every post, just a couple of examples from the chain and activity (from one single thread) we took into consideration were pretty similar to the below:

Gaming... A Eulogy...

So. I know the PS5 conference is still running but I don’t think we need to see anymore. MS’s showing will be equally as shitty. So, what’s your new hobby going to be GAF, now you have realised that a shiny lick of paint isn’t going to help the stagnant, shitty games with a ‘design by...

www.neogaf.com

Gaming... A Eulogy...

So. I know the PS5 conference is still running but I don’t think we need to see anymore. MS’s showing will be equally as shitty. So, what’s your new hobby going to be GAF, now you have realised that a shiny lick of paint isn’t going to help the stagnant, shitty games with a ‘design by...

www.neogaf.com

Gaming... A Eulogy...

So. I know the PS5 conference is still running but I don’t think we need to see anymore. MS’s showing will be equally as shitty. So, what’s your new hobby going to be GAF, now you have realised that a shiny lick of paint isn’t going to help the stagnant, shitty games with a ‘design by...

www.neogaf.com

You seemed very excitable and the warning was advising you that maybe running across threads, furiously mashing the keyboard in glee to score some points, had probably worn thin at that point and to reconsider. You have had no warnings since. This was a warning about conduct, not content. Just wanted to clear that up as I felt your portrayal was unfair to the mod team.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Angry JOEEEEEEE! ANGRY JOE IS BETTER!

So what's the verdict here my last post was on page 4 now we at 20 pages for fuck sakes LOL

 

[cormack12]

That doesn't include asking her to shower with him or snuggle with him on a bed. He was being deceptive (assuming that this story is true).

You can't work on the assumption though. What about this assumption......You tell a girl who's been hanging round with you that you're going back to your hotel to take a shower. You assume if she comes to your room knowing that, then she's interested in more because most normal people would wait in the bar or lobby. And sitting close enough to someone to take a selfie is not 'snuggling' lol.


This statement by you is false:

he told her that he needed to quickly do something and then leave

The correct statement is:

he told her that he needed to shower and change before the dinner

If we can't even stick to the facts at this stage, I don't think there's a point of playing who misintepreted it more?

 

[OutrageousFacts]

It is still so infuriating how they have long decided that he's lying and she's telling the truth. The repeately accuse him of victim blaming now - If he's innocent and he states that, HOW IS IT VICTIM BLAMING WHEN THERE'S NO VICTIM?! (other than him by now)

>_<

I honestly would like to know what these authoritarian fascists over at Resetera *want* Joe to do in the "unlikely" (/s) scenario that he *is* indeed innocent. What is his winning move? Saying nothing? Guilty! Answering emotionally? Bat response! Taking legal advice from a lawyer? Nasty, asshole move!
It seems that nothing short of hard proof of comical degree, like her saying somewhere "muahaha, today I'm gonna ruin AngryJoe through lies and deception, me, the evil mastermind!!1", would change their view. Which is so fucked up, because if you accuse someone of something, YOU must prove that! Unless Joe happens to have any records of that evening, how can he prove that something DIDN'T happen? Basically, they demand that he proves that God does not exist - something that's not possible and anti-scientific, anti-logical stance. You can only prove what did happen - and that onus lies entirely on her.

Edit:

Anyone that accuses some one in public should have proof. I don't know who tells the truth here but you can't just come and accuse some one which will ruin his/her career and reputation. Angry Joe should bring it to court.

Congratulations for being part and parcel of the reason why sexual harassment, assault and rape victims stay silent. Amazing someone could make such a profoundly ignorant post at this stage in the thread and wider events.

Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]

Congratulations for being part and parcel of the reason why sexual harassment, assault and rape victims stay silent. Amazing someone could make such a profoundly ignorant post at this stage in the thread and wider events.

www.resetera.com

... :/
Demanding proof and going through proper legal procedure = unjust and anti-rape crimes.
I'm at a loss for words ...

 

[Starbuck2907]

According to these people, the accused should apologize and say "sorry" once the accuser makes an accusation, even if HE IS innocent. Innocents should NOT defend themselves, they should NOT silence fake accusations. Do they even use logic?

Joe Biden actually did this - apologize while denying it, and SJW’s and the media mysteriously forgot that he was ever accused. But, that only works if you are a lefty running for president.

 

[Gamezone]

As predicted, they will never believe him regardless of his accuser walks back on her claim, now demanding canceling him.

REEEEEEEEE!!!

Did you think otherwise? Their entire site is built on blindly believing "victims" without proof to back it up.

 

[ShadowNate]

Can someone explain to me how this is dismissive of the allegations?

it's not. But logic does not apply for this kind of moderation. They seem to want an echo chamber or a closed cult.

 

[IDappa]

I

And another One




Dude getting cancelled who was in the threads of other victims calling em all stunning and brave. Go woke get cancelled.




But i of course ignored them all cause fuck it i am strong brave wahmen hear me roar.





So what you are saying he is a scumbag for sure, but nothing forced. Right now you are just lashing out cause he didnt want a relationship with you, so you decided fuck it lets make him pay?



GET HIM! he likes the asian women!

Also purple danger hair guys.

Why are people apologising to her?.

Wow I'm so sorry you decided as an adult to consent to sex, how brave !!. This shut does not compute. These people are children at best.. where have all the adults gone?

 

[cormack12]

Is this the panel? It was started at 18:26 ET


You can search twitter for the specifics of the account by pasting this into the search:
(from:wookiemonstertv) until:2018-04-08 since:2018-04-07

I dunno how timezones and shit works on twitter though so someone else will have to do all that detective sheeeeite (also it won't cover DM's/messenger etc)

 

[TheSHEEEP]

where have all the adults gone?

Probably as far away as they can from social media.

 

[ShadowNate]

Like, in my country and in my scientific sector we're educated and trained to exercise critical thought to everything. Doubt every absolute, dogmatic opinion or position. Investigate further.

Also we had a specific course about how it's almost never a good idea to talk in absolutes in matters where the relevant data can change, be manipulated or even falsified.

Exercising any of these, that are now part of my personal conduct in life, in their forum would ban me.

They are not interested in fairness, in due process, in entertaining or discussing a different opinion. They just want a target to burn because believewoman.

 

[Wizz-Art]

Please stop quoting from REEEEEE, I lost too much braincells as is.

 

[cormack12]

They are not interested in fairness, in due process, in entertaining or discussing a different opinion. They just want a target to burn because believewoman.

They're not interested in the complexities. The problem is they only factor one possible input with multiple outcomes. Their stance basically is:

Accusation is made. Accusation is true.

Even if nothing happened and it was just a feeling, the accused should apologise for for their actions, take note of what they did that made the accuser feel this way and not repeat it. On the surface it seems reasonable and something that sounds sensible. What they can't fathom or work out though is when:

Accusation is made. Describes actions that never happened. Described how the accused felt.

Their stance is exactly the same 'the accused should apologise for for their actions, take note of what they did that made the accuser feel this way and not repeat it'. However, they are missing a massive fucking point. You're asking someone to apologise for things that never unfolded. For fictitious events. For things that never happened and therefore couldn't make the person feel this way.

 

[German Hops]

He was being deceptive (assuming that this story is true).

 

[TheWisp]

And here we go, this is what it all boils down to.

It all ends up being about who you believe, and thats the problem of this metoo movement for me, its a gamble, its which side has the loudest voice. Unless you have definite proof that you didn't do anything, and that can be hard when these allegations normally come years down the line, you might be fucked. Lose your partnerships, job, career, over something that was not proven. Just because we need to believe someones post on twitter... it's ridiculous and I think Joe did the right thing on pulling is lawyers and saying if this is to go any further do it in court.

 

[hyperbertha]

Well i mean he's banned there, so....


And i read fucked up shit here pretty much daily. I can assure you they feel the same way about GAF as GAF feels about Era lol

IS that why all of them come crawling back here?

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Haha ZombiUnicorn the one that said ProSyndicate(still a piece of human garbage for csgolotto and if true sexual harrasment/rape) raped her and from the infamous bully hunters is now herself getting attacked for bullying other female streamers and spreading lies about them

ZombiUnicorn or Nati was someone that has flown under the radar with harassment for a very long time. During the years of run-ins with her, it's always been difficult and exhausting. Our first was when she accused me of stealing her brand and look. She even went as far to go and bully my digital artist to admit he used similar traits for my overlays. Even though I have proof I had my layout style before I even knew her, I have the dates when I had re-branded my podcast. It coincidentally happened to look like hers. She put threads about me on her personal Facebook, twitter, to discredit me anytime she could. The level of harassment got so bad she started bullying me at events, one in particular was a Bethesda event and in front of other media and content creators she said, “who invited you here?” “Why do you keep getting invited to these things?”

I have all the screenshots of everything she has done, yet never had any consequences. She never apologized, but the torment and the harassment got so bad that I had mutual friends messaging me about her behavior and the things she was saying about me. If it was her making fun of what I looked like, it was my stream and my numbers, or my streaming equipment, and all the opportunities I would get. She would say that I would sleep with people to land roles, hosting gigs, or when she saw me at the same auditions she would tweet out the most awful things about me knowing that they would come back to me because mutual friends would screen cap it and send it to me. I lived with this harassment for years. Twitch did nothing, my mutual friends did nothing, and often I would just do everything to avoid her. Even when Twitch put out a TOS on harassment she stopped posting publicly, but still was spreading things about me because ALL those people eventually reached out to me to disclose it. This level of harassment stays with you in a deep way and you often do your best to forget, but I’m always haunted by the years of torment by her. She advocates for women, but is the biggest bully of them all. She has never once tried to apologize or take responsibility for her actions, yet still found ways to hurt me. I have learned to deal with it, when I have had other people email or dm me about similar things she has done to them it's never not a surprise. I even have people within her community that have tried to harass me and my friends recently. I have proof of this and my friends dealt with it swiftly, and we have it documented.

Who knew women were the biggest abusers on Twitch raise you hand, more women have come out against her already, maybe Twitch should you know ban her

Some hilarious bonus content.

and his dismissal of his white privilege. We fought about all of these things over and over. My mental wellness was in shambles often but I never expressed anything because I just wanted to be deeply loved. Going to Buffalo as a POC was not easy and often found myself looked at and talked about. I would try to remind myself that I was there to be with the person I love, but he never caught on to my discomfort because he never believed in “white privilege”

Entire thing here
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9m2g

 

[hyperbertha]

I don’t really have anything to add to the discussion but my opinion.

I applaud the woman for coming out if the allegations are true. I don’t know what punishment AJ will be given but at the very least it would cut out his sponsors.

On the other hand, if the allegations are false, I hope it won’t do too much of a damage to AJ’s name since public relations is kinda big in the Youtube industry.

All I wish are for the people to be patient and wait for the evidence that supports or denies the allegation towards AJ. This is not a case where evidence isn’t recorded or seen by other people. If what Angry Joe’s response written is true then there should be witnesses and pictures to help bring light to this issue.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but people are saying he just flirted with her?

 

[killatopak]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but people are saying he just flirted with her?

I think that’s a light way to look at it. Exaggeration or not, they been saying he was predatory and manipulative.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

The classic tell in this situation (about whether the accusation is true or not) is to think of what the accuser's motive would be for speaking up like this.

I.e., what possible good would the accuser receive for stepping forward now? How would it benefit her at all? What benefit would she gain from making up this story and posting publicly about it years after the fact?

The answer is usually that they have little to gain and a lot to lose. This is the biggest tell that story is true. Like, they stand to lose their mental health under a barrage of abuse from defence forces and assholes; while the only thing they have to gain is sending a warning to the community at large that he might abuse you if you're in a similar position. And maybe a slightly alleviated emotional burden having bottled it up so long. Compared to the negative outcome (lots of abuse and public eye attention, which is exhausting and harmful) this is basically nothing. Which implies the accusation is true. She barely gets anything positive out of speaking up like this. It is a selfless act. (There are times when it's a selfish act too, and a lie, and those are usually obvious.)

It's also why the allegations against the owner of The Old Place were likely true. The accuser actually went out of her way to NOT implicate him specifically. She tried to keep it vague and tell only people who wouldn't tell others. And it was OTHERS who outed him. Thus, why would she have had any reason to lie? She literally didn't want the information/story to get out and tried to stop that.

Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]

The classic tell in this situation (about whether the accusation is true or not) is to think of what the accuser's motive would be for speaking up like this. I.e., what possible good would the accuser receive for stepping forward now? How would it benefit her at all? What benefit would she gain...

www.resetera.com

1.) What she has to gain: Felling a highly popular streamer/youtuber that she holds a grudge against. Unimportant people *love* to ruin popular, famous people, it gives them a feeling of power. Happens all the time with hollywood celebrities.

2.) What she has to lose: Little to nothing, because of toxic assturds like you pushing the "if we punish false-accusations, real victims will be too scared to come forward"-narrative.

3.) Still perpetuating lies about EviLore . I know he won't, but I wished he'd sue people like you. Resetera really took all the worst people of OldGaf - at least that's a net positive.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Who is this guy?

Kenny G with an ugly ass bull nose ring? Is that the b accusing him? If so, it doesn't look much like a lady. And resetera involved, it's all adding up.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

So she first texted him at 2 in the morning? How is that not a signal? Some chick texts me in the middle of the night that’s called a booty call

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Sorry but if I was meeting someone I only recently got to know, I wouldn't be inviting them to my hotel room while I take a shower (no matter how quick), that's just weird, full stop.

I would have sent a message saying I'll be 10 mins late or whatever and let the other person wait someone in the reception or somewhere close to the hotel (wherever really, just not my actual room). There is no excuse for that

Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]

Sorry but if I was meeting someone I only recently got to know, I wouldn't be inviting them to my hotel room while I take a shower (no matter how quick), that's just weird, full stop. I would have sent a message saying I'll be 10 mins late or whatever and let the other person wait someone in...

www.resetera.com

A guy inviting a girl he recently got to know to his hotel room is weirder than a girl accepting the invitation to a guy, she only recently got to know, to his hotel room? WAT

 

[cormack12]

Basically this reduces down to internet 'celebrities' giving off persona's of confident people with street smarts. When they meet, these awkward cringeworthy events unfold because they are not equipped to deal with them, and do not have the social skills to be the same persona with actual people round. They get back home, build that confidence up again, build up these stories as to why nothing happened then release them on the internet.

 

[Alebrije]

Hope this ia taken by lawyers and eleved to court and not judge someone on social media with just a tweet.

Also hope people stop quoting RE post , do not see te value of this behavior.

 

[radewagon]

This #metoo bullshit just doesn't end, eh?

I see it as a massive course correction. It began because there was a pretty large inbalance in certain industries where those in power were using their positions in bad faith and taking advantage of those without power. There were long kept open secrets and, for the most part, they were viewed as "normal." The line of what was acceptable behavior was shifted too far in one direction. Now, we are seeing that line start to shift too far in the other direction and that's, I suppose, to be expected. It takes a while before a society can settle on what it views as a new set of acceptable standards.

At least that's my interpretation of it.

 

[lukilladog]

It´s not even harassment, Joe should sue the gold digger witch.

 

[HelpYouFall]

Imagine having these people fight World War II for you ...

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

Hope this ia taken by lawyers and eleved to court and not judge someone on social media with just a tweet.

Also hope people stop quoting RE post , do not see te value of this behavior.

Yes for the sake of this forum, stop re posting there thin thinking, it makes us lose faith in humanity

 

[Chromata]

It's scary how easily someone can slander and tear down a reputation built from many years of hard work.

 

[TheUsual]

It's scary how easily someone can slander and tear down a reputation built from many years of hard work.

When you believe you're On The Right Side of History (TM) everything is ok!

 

[Stuart360]

I believe her. I've known people like this in my past. Bit of fame fucks people up.. Only a youtuber at the end of the day. Equiv to a C list celeb similar bollocks.

But even if she is telling the truth, what is he actually 'guilty' of here, acting a bit of a douche?, trying it on?. Thats the point here, he didnt rape her or anything.

 

[Teslerum]

It's scary how easily someone can slander and tear down a reputation built from many years of hard work.

Its scary that there are people that activly persue ruining someone elses life to begin with.

 

[GymWolf]

Can someone explain to me how this is dismissive of the allegations?

The same reason why they banned this dude

Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]

Well there's currently nothing at all, so something? Texts, Tweets, Eyewitness, other victims coming forward. How much evidence would you like an accuser to have before trying to ruin your life?

www.resetera.com

 

[Mobilemofo]

But even if she is telling the truth, what is he actually 'guilty' of here, acting a bit of a douche?, trying it on?. Thats the point here, he didnt rape her or anything.

No. I know that. Guilty of acting like a massive massive c**t. Could have been alot worse for her..

 

[ShadowLag]

Guys, just because he defended himself doesn't mean he's innocent. However, just because he was accused, he is guilty. Please follow these guidelines or get banned.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Never "liked" Joe, but I could say that for an infinite number of youtubers.... just don't see the appeal in the entertainment he's selling.

Reading this shit however, the probabilities of it being BS are almost 99.99%. Even if he made an advance towards her for a one night stand that's fucking normal for a heterosexual male to do... courtship. All the other shit looks like embellishment and it probably is. So yes, Press X for Doubt.

 

[Zoro7]

If I was famous the only way I would let a girl in my hotel room is with video proof of her saying she wants to come in.

 

[Stuart360]

No. I know that. Guilty of acting like a massive massive c**t. Could have been alot worse for her..

I mean he even offerd to pay for her taxi home, AFTER she turned him down, her words. Sure he did the whole 'gold digger' line after she turned him down but he has a certain level of fame, even if its small, and probably has had people take advantage of his fame in the past. I mean i'm sure 99% of us on here are guilty of saying and doing some pretty stupid stuff in the past when drunk.