alabtrosMyster
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The Verge: Xbox Series S (7.5GB usable RAM, 4TF GPU, Up: Same CPU)
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"Xbox got more controllers than it got games Xbox... "
itsjustJEFF
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If it is $199 than it will likely be the best selling Xbox this coming generation. If the $199 price and those specs are real, then Xbox's main goal is to just get as much XBox's out there as possible. Its not likely that the Series X will out sell this budget version. If the budget version is real, their main push in the future will be XCloud. If they can get the consoles into homes and signed up with their services, they can in 5 years sell a new version that may even be weaker but at that point it might just be an XCloud machine.
iJudged
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you think xsx is gonna be more expensive then then ps5? lol
01011001
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every OG Xbox game running on back compat runs at 4x the original resolution on base Xbox One/S and at 16x the original resolution on One X.
meaning a 480p OG Xbox game will run at 960p on Xbox One and at 1920p on Xbox One X
that's a universal thing for every single og Xbox game that's made compatible. they don't need any extra patches
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Coulomb_Barrier
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Even though I think this thing will sell well at $200 and gain nice marketshare for Xbox, it needs to die for the sake of all of us. MS fans, Sony fans, even PC fans.
We'll have this slow thing shackled to all third party and exclusive MS games for the entirety of the gen. Should have been a clean break as soon as XB1 is cut off in 2021/2022.
We'll have this slow thing shackled to all third party and exclusive MS games for the entirety of the gen. Should have been a clean break as soon as XB1 is cut off in 2021/2022.
NullZ3r0
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Agreed. This is why Lockhart is important. Textures and effects can easily scale down. What cant be scaled down is physics and level design. That's why games like The Medium can't run on One X but can run on Lockhart.
RaySoft
Member
And to be honest, kinda MS' only chance to shift people already invested into PS' platform, to their own.
I'm sure MS will invest $$ this gen to bring gamers over, 'cuse this (XSX/PS5) gen will be the deciding factor before cloud gaming is the norm.
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Kuranghi
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Cool, I hope on XSX they can expand that "auto remaster" tech to increase framerates without problems, but I think thats a lot trickier and will have to be looked at on a case by case basis. I just hope they don't go down the route of... *devil voice* MOTION COMPENSATED FRAME INTERPOLATION...
I'm hopeful for the "auto-HDR" thing to be good but from what I've seen its not even as good as the better dynamic tonemappers on top-end HDR TVs. Although people seem to love those settings on their TV, almost unversally think it looks better than the SDR without tonemapping, they don't see any of the problems at all so it'll probably be the future, which as a big massive IQ-hoe, makes me sad lol
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Not sure, but I believe that all OG Xbox games get One X enhancements where 360 games its not the case. EA access is $1 i think right now too if you have a one X and want to see it for yourself.
LeVictorien
Banned
Reading this thread I think grandmas will be less confused than some people here. They'll see the new games on a low cost next gen console and will grab it for lil Timmy. Meanwhile people on GAF can't understand how scalability works, are confused with the names, still think 6 TF from OneX is more powerful than RDNA 2 4 TF, don't understand why a lower entry price will be appealing to casuals that don't care about 4K... jeez!
01011001
Banned
Cool, I hope on XSX they can expand that "auto remaster" tech to increase framerates without problems, but I think thats a lot trickier and will have to be looked at on a case by case basis. I just hope they don't go down the route of... *devil voice* MOTION COMPENSATED FRAME INTERPOLATION...
I'm hopeful for the "auto-HDR" thing to be good but from what I've seen its not even as good as the better dynamic tonemappers on top-end HDR TVs. Although people seem to love those settings on their TV, almost unversally think it looks better than the SDR without tonemapping, they don't see any of the problems at all so it'll probably be the future, which as a big massive IQ-hoe, makes me sad lol
I hope that they can do that auto resolution increase thing for every 360 game
Kuranghi
Member
Confirmed Xbox is for grannies.
Psykodad
Banned
Then Timmy gets bullied at school because he got the poor-edition console.
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GHG
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Historically consoles have been responsible for ushering in an industry-wide baseline shift every 5-7 years or so.
With this console it means that for the first time the baseline will not be shifting up, it goes sideways in all aspects with the exception of I/O throughput.
Are you more concerned about sales (if there actually is a market for this thing) or are you more concerned about having gaming experiences that haven't been possible throughout the current generation of consoles?
itsjustJEFF
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Yea, I agree. Xbox/PS want to lock you into their ecosystem. Xbox's BC strategy is to keep who they currently have, and bring back who they lost. Budget console is to attract the casuals, the Nintendo Wii buyers. At $199 that can be an impulse buy. I'd imagine IF PS were to introduce a BC strategy, beyond PS4, they likely have the same goals as Xbox. I just wonder what PS' streaming strategy would be, cause trust me they have one or are working MAD crazy on one LOL
The only thing that has me worried about Cloud gaming is the current state of our internet infrastructure and the general consumers willingness to buy into it. Lets not forget that Stadia is a thing. They had a HUGE media push, they spend a ton of money on marketing. They basically removed the barrier of price; there's a paid version, there's a monthly paid version, there's even a free version. Yet it still hasn't caught on, at least to this point. Which makes me wonder if the general public is really all that interested in video games.
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NullZ3r0
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Then its not for you. Its for the people that can't afford a SX that were content with sticking with One S or One X that are content with 1080p for the next couple of years. MS needs to get these people off those old platforms.
Kuranghi
Member
Oh right, so on an X1X I'd get 4K@30 on BLACK but for Burnout Revenge it would be 720p@30 (upscaled to whatever your output is set to)? I meant the 360 version of Burnout Revenge, not the original on OG Xbox.
kiphalfton
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Is this not just a lateral upgrade from the X1X? Seems pointless if so.
-Arcadia-
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All I can say is that it looks like we’re doing this, one way or the other. If those materials are from this month, Lockhart is surely on course for launch, and may be revealed at the July event.
It will be fascinating to see how it turns out. The massively lower resolution is a start. Can Microsoft engineer a set of consoles while maintaining the balance of a truly impressive top-end option, and a low-end option that performs well? I think the potential is there, but it’s going to take a lot of smart design.
If they pull it off, the upside is enormous. High-end A/V geekery, 4K, 60/120 FPS, and ‘high settings’ for people who want that, and an affordable, but still awesome solution for people that just want to play next-gen games, have them still look great, and don’t need all the bells and whistles.
That would be paradigm shifting. If they pull it off.
It will be fascinating to see how it turns out. The massively lower resolution is a start. Can Microsoft engineer a set of consoles while maintaining the balance of a truly impressive top-end option, and a low-end option that performs well? I think the potential is there, but it’s going to take a lot of smart design.
If they pull it off, the upside is enormous. High-end A/V geekery, 4K, 60/120 FPS, and ‘high settings’ for people who want that, and an affordable, but still awesome solution for people that just want to play next-gen games, have them still look great, and don’t need all the bells and whistles.
That would be paradigm shifting. If they pull it off.
Psykodad
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Didn't they have a payment plan for those people?
Even with GamePass included.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But would the RT even look good at this point? If it has to be reflected at 540p I mean.
RaySoft
Member
No, it's another ballpark entirely. Those 4TF are stronger than than the Series X 6TF's on the merit it has support for a whole new set of hw features the Series X don't. This just shows you can't measure async compute for power. The CPU's are uncomparable.
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Kerotan Frog
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If its better than the X and only $200, then I'll go with that until Xbox games are next gen exclusive. Only time will tell though. Any chance this gets announced at the Xbox show in July?
eastwood333
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Really think this is a smart play by MS and will pay dividends in this economy.
Stilton Disco
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I really hope this sells poorly enough that third parties just ignore it for development purposes and, if they absolutely have to release on it, just farm the port out to the lowest bidder to knock out a cheap and cheerful downgraded port to it.
It does make me wonder if the reason MS went with the XSX being so beastly is because they've fully commited to the PC gaming philosophy, and are just going to brute force graphics rather than treat games with the usual console approach of maximising the possible output of fixed specs.
This could well mean we end up with an even bigger gulf in quality between PS5 exclusives than you'd expect, and possibly even more third party games being much closer in graphics and performance between the two proper next gen console.
Seriously, this is such a fucking stupid idea that will potentially harm the whole generation.
It does make me wonder if the reason MS went with the XSX being so beastly is because they've fully commited to the PC gaming philosophy, and are just going to brute force graphics rather than treat games with the usual console approach of maximising the possible output of fixed specs.
This could well mean we end up with an even bigger gulf in quality between PS5 exclusives than you'd expect, and possibly even more third party games being much closer in graphics and performance between the two proper next gen console.
Seriously, this is such a fucking stupid idea that will potentially harm the whole generation.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It'll be MS' Kinect of this generation. 5 years from now GAF will all say that Lockhart was the decision that hurt the XSX generation the most.
01011001
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black is not 4k btw. Black ran at a very low resolution on og Xbox.
I think it's about 1500p
because, again, it does a 16x up-res not a 4k update
Fake
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Thats not true at all.
JLB
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It is not. X1X CPU is a custom 2013's Jaguar. Which already was bad at the time.
GHG
Gold Member
I think it will exist for the whole generation, yes.
What you're suggesting would mean in 3-4 years they are going to have to turn round to the people who bought Lockhart and say "thanks but now we are ending support for this console and we are forcing you to upgrade". That's not going to happen.
RaySoft
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It's a two edged sword though... The Series X was underutilized. it could do much more than the tasks it was handed.
The Lockhart though, will have to run all the next-gen games. So when you hear that the Lockhart is better hardware wise than the Series X, it's true, but where the Series X was breezing through what was thrown at it, it's another ball-game this gen, since the Lockhart will be the weakest of the new consoles and the workload will be significantly higher than last-gen.
Only time will tell if MS have struck the right balance...
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GHG
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Psykodad
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You're late, but I don't feel like editing that post.
JohnnyFootball
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Logic would suggest it since it has higher specs and more expensive silicon.
GHG
Gold Member
That would then mean they would need to have multiple variations of proprietary SSD's.
No chance.
Andodalf
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Not all OG games get an X patch, but a higher percent do, iirc. All non patched games do get 16x af on X regardless of what console they are for, automatically
UltimaKilo
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Thanks for holding back the gen, Microsoft.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Exactly. The worst is that if the majority of people actually go for the true next gen systems and development sets the PS5 as the baseline, those that bought the gimped system will be forced to upgrade very early in the generation.
I still don’t believe this console exists. It is such an absurd strategy. I am willing to eat crow if the console is real and a success.
eastwood333
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A 200 dollar price difference would have a far more bigger impact than a 50 dollar difference. I'm of course assuming XSX is 500 and Lockhart is 300
RaySoft
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Edit: Misunderstood.
"Never say never", but that would be a strange move. I could see it on the merits of smaller filesizes to stream etc but why change something they could easily fit in a smaller box and make devs life easier?
The more you have to scale down, the more chance you make a bad choice. If the leaks are correct and the CPU is slower than the XSX, that's another aspect where MS have already "weighed and balanced" their hardware. In my mind, a hardware designer should stick to their formula, the "weighing and balancing" is more of a developer job.
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