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Forza Motorsport will ban players for using Confederate flag

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48086

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Good move. And fuck anyone who complains about it. This forum has existed longer than the confederacy did, and you wouldn't say it's part of your culture/heritage. Racists can keep taking those Ls.

It's funny because I could go make a car right now with the stars and bars flag and it wouldn't be banned. Like you, this move is completely virtue signaling.
 
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MastaKiiLA

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It's funny because I could go make a car right now with the stars and bars flag and it wouldn't be banned. Like you, this move is completely virtue signaling.
Racists don't know what virtue signalling even means. This is implementing new policies to correct an omission. "Bu-bu-buh ma hairtij!" Cry me a river. Racists have taken more Ls in 2020 than the Confederacy did in is entire, sad and pitiful existence.
 
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Arkam

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When do I get to wake up from this nightmare where reason is thrown aside for feelings. Well Forza was 90% of why I buy Xboxes.... guess I don't have to now. Either end all character creation or allow all character creation.... or hey I have a "crazy" idea.... don't show created cars online. Then people can do whatever THEY want with THEIR game and no one's feelings are hurt.... wait was that too logical?
 

cormack12

Gold Member
I'd be interested in seeing if this was retrosepctively applies how many liveries it would have affected. And how much of an actual problem it was....
 

Birdo

Banned
I don’t play online but I like my General Lee car because I loved the show as a kid so would I be fucked?

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Racists don't know what virtue signalling even means. This is implementing new policies to correct an omission. "Bu-bu-buh ma hairtij!" Cry me a river. Racists have taken more Ls in 2020 than the Confederacy did in is entire, sad and pitiful existence.
Yes, racists the world over will be simply crushed by this devastating blow. An incredible L that will make these racists re-evaluate their entire existence! Take that racists!

The absolute state of some of these new members.
 

cormack12

Gold Member
Yes, racists the world over will be simply crushed by this devastating blow. An incredible L that will make these racists re-evaluate their entire existence! Take that racists!

The absolute state of some of these new members.

It's interesting they stated the flag specifically. All this will do is create challenges and form a sub culture. Will the below also be banned? Is a blue cross on a red background sufficient for banning etc. A white star on a blue stripe? Whenever you try and censor something that people really want to show, then they'll us every trick and shenanigan to get round the phrasing etc. But like I said if there's only currently 4 liveries with a confed flag then it's probably not really an issue

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I once lived near a friend who had a Confederate flag in their living room...walked in and out of the house in one piece, all my limbs were still attached...he was a bit of a country redneck but also pretty chill and liked cars a lot.

We actually kept in touch for a long while afterwards, this all started back in high school. And no, I'm not white. So....why are the indoctrinated college babies crying about a virtual flag in a racing game again?
 

lefty1117

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When do I get to wake up from this nightmare where reason is thrown aside for feelings. Well Forza was 90% of why I buy Xboxes.... guess I don't have to now. Either end all character creation or allow all character creation.... or hey I have a "crazy" idea.... don't show created cars online. Then people can do whatever THEY want with THEIR game and no one's feelings are hurt.... wait was that too logical?

yeah man then you can create racist graphics privately! good for you!
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Yet you can still have Hakenkreuz, to show they you are proud Nazi. I mean pretty fucking huge double standard. I don't know much about America history, but was not confederates who lost civil war? So why this flag is still a thing in American culture?
 

MastaKiiLA

Member
Yes, racists the world over will be simply crushed by this devastating blow. An incredible L that will make these racists re-evaluate their entire existence! Take that racists!

The absolute state of some of these new members.
Reading the responses in here, yes, they are crushed. If you wait for wholesale change, you'll wait forever. Incremental change is better than no change. You might understand that if you spent decades experiencing the other side, after coming from a country where you were once the majority and never experienced racism growing up. You can make more sarcastic quips about it, but makes no difference to me. This isn't about you.

Is it racist to like the dukes of hazard now??
Not really. Not sure anyone even implied that. I watched the Dukes of Hazard growing up, and quite enjoyed the show and the General Lee. I also didn't know anything about the symbols, as I wasn't even living in America. I lived in a country where everyone looked like me. Now that I understand the history of the symbol, and spend most of my life in the racist-ass American south, I have a much different opinion of the show. You wouldn't think the symbol means enough for people to be offended, but then look at you. You're clearly a product of the loser's flag being bandied about as a benign symbol, when it's not. That's why policy changes like this matter. We don't care if current racists continue down their paths of ignorance. It's about fomenting change, so that future generations can eventually live in a world rid of dimwits.

If you never start, you'll never finish. This is a start. I wish it was more, but we take what we can get.
 
There needs to be some kind of change or shift in gaming. Microsoft or someone needs to bring back their “family friendly, underground” whatever type labeling and let people choose the content they see.

If you are a big old soft vagina and easily offended pick the “snowflake” label and see filtered content or no player created content and play with people with similar views.

If you don’t give a shit about what you see and hear just choose the “toxic” label and report the especially heinous people.

My first ever exposure to the “Rebel Flag” was literally Dukes of Hazzard. I don’t find the flag offense, and I don’t care if you do find the flag offensive.
 

MastaKiiLA

Member
As an arab from ME I don't know what this flag represents , but it's a good looking flag
It was flown by the morons who idolized the morons who wanted to keep slaves in the American south, and ended up getting their asses kicked. It's not even the real confederate flag, the second version of which looked more appropriately like the white flag of surrender (you can't make this shit up). It's the battle flag (ironic, because they absolutely sucked at battle) which was appropriated sometime after the war, as a means of intimidating freed blacks and other minorities. The design itself is fairly interesting (I thought so too when I was young), I can't deny that. But it also ironically takes cues off the British union jack, a country the US defeated to gain independence.

It speaks a lot about the herpy-derpy, inbred dumbassery that was the confederate south, and how they didn't have a single original idea...not even slavery. But some people will claim it as their heritage, because...well...they're not very smart.

 
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Daymos

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I don't think this is something to be upset about. Clearly some players are offended by the image and they removed it. An online game is basically a public service. You're not going to go into a movie theater and see giant nude pictures even though you might like them, its the same basic concept.
 

CobraXT

Banned
It was flown by the morons who idolized the morons who wanted to keep slaves in the American south, and ended up getting their asses kicked. It's not even the real confederate flag, the second version of which looked more appropriately like the white flag of surrender (you can't make this shit up). It's the battle flag (ironic, because they absolutely sucked at battle) which was appropriated sometime after the war, as a means of intimidating freed blacks and other minorities. The design itself is fairly interesting (I thought so too when I was young), I can't deny that. But it also ironically takes cues off the British union jack, a country the US defeated to gain independence.

It speaks a lot about the herpy-derpy, inbred dumbassery that was the confederate south, and how they didn't have a single original idea...not even slavery. But some people will claim it as their heritage, because...well...they're not very smart.


I believe them tho .. because anything the far left say is a lie for me :)
 
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We're not allowed to use it anymore because it might offend some white liberals.

No, it represents a group who wanted to keep slavery of black people a thing. You can try to argue about all you like and cherry pick reasons why its ok to support confederacy, but you can't get away from that.

Yet you can still have Hakenkreuz, to show they you are proud Nazi. I mean pretty fucking huge double standard. I don't know much about America history, but was not confederates who lost civil war? So why this flag is still a thing in American culture?

Actually the Swastika existed from at least 1685 or even before where it is found on a Napolese coin and it is used as a symbol of "well-being" in hinduism and so on so fourth long before Hitler decided to steal it and use it as their own. One is a flag design comprised of multiple symbols and shapes, whereas the other is a single symbol that was stolen for use by the Nazis.

That said, fuck the Nazis and the racists who share a lot of the same ideals. Just an fyi, i mean the actual German Nazis for what they did.
 

Senua

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No, it represents a group who wanted to keep slavery of black people a thing. You can try to argue about all you like and cherry pick reasons why its ok to support confederacy, but you can't get away from that.
But let's be honest, in Forza its use 99% of the time is for General Lee replicas, I don't care what the flag might represent, it's a driving game. I like driving around in my General Lee replica. Because it's cool AF
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
No, it represents a group who wanted to keep slavery of black people a thing. You can try to argue about all you like and cherry pick reasons why its ok to support confederacy, but you can't get away from that.



Actually the Swastika existed from at least 1685 or even before where it is found on a Napolese coin and it is used as a symbol of "well-being" in hinduism and so on so fourth long before Hitler decided to steal it and use it as their own. One is a flag design comprised of multiple symbols and shapes, whereas the other is a single symbol that was stolen for use by the Nazis.

That said, fuck the Nazis and the racists who share a lot of the same ideals. Just an fyi, i mean the actual German Nazis for what they did.
I know, but when you make it on the red-white background is kind of obvious, that's not the the OG swastika.
 
Reading the responses in here, yes, they are crushed. If you wait for wholesale change, you'll wait forever. Incremental change is better than no change. You might understand that if you spent decades experiencing the other side, after coming from a country where you were once the majority and never experienced racism growing up. You can make more sarcastic quips about it, but makes no difference to me. This isn't about you.
Who are 'they'? Name them.
 

OutRun88

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For those of you who have sadly yet to break themselves from a concrete mindset, please understand that a flag can represent many things and not be entirely inclusive of said things, especially the Confederate battle flag.

Its roots lie more in slavery than it does racism, as the Confederacy formed and fought to keep an economic industry built around slavery.

Nearly a century later is when it found its home as a symbol of racism when it was adopted by white supremacist groups.

In between that time, as well as the time between major white supremacist groups falling and now, the flag represented southern pride, heritage, and states rights for many.

Again, I just ask that you understand this flag has a particularly complex history and isn't implicitly racist.
 
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lefty1117

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Being against (uneven) censorship when there are smarter solutions makes me a racist? OK! Was banned from old GAF for being against censorship of violent games, so I'm prepared to "die" again on this hill. Maybe someday ill be arguing for something you agree with when it gets censored.

The ban is targeted against a very specific symbol that represents enslavement and racism to a chunk of the population. This is not some wider general content ban. Let's not make it more than what it is. If you have an issue banning that specific imagery then yes I have to wonder what your motivations are. How about showing some empathy for the people that are negatively affected by it?
 
It was flown by the morons who idolized the morons who wanted to keep slaves in the American south, and ended up getting their asses kicked. It's not even the real confederate flag, the second version of which looked more appropriately like the white flag of surrender (you can't make this shit up). It's the battle flag (ironic, because they absolutely sucked at battle) which was appropriated sometime after the war, as a means of intimidating freed blacks and other minorities. The design itself is fairly interesting (I thought so too when I was young), I can't deny that. But it also ironically takes cues off the British union jack, a country the US defeated to gain independence.

It speaks a lot about the herpy-derpy, inbred dumbassery that was the confederate south, and how they didn't have a single original idea...not even slavery. But some people will claim it as their heritage, because...well...they're not very smart.


So like uh actually the ANV Battle Flag was/is the flag for the Sons of the Confederacy was flown at memorial services. The Dixiecrats brought the flag back and indoctrinated it with hate and segregation as those were the ideals Dixiecrats were pushing. Ever since then the flag got sucked into pop culture and became a nation wide fad for “rebels” “rednecks” “good ole boys” and rock music. Which those same politicians and confederacy groups hated, and tried to push legislation saying it was desecration and trivialization of their flag.

So your literally for stopping that desecration and trivialization of the Rebel flag and agree with Confederate Heritage Groups.

See how stupid you look now, when you don’t understand something.

Confederate Heritage Groups and the people that flew that flag literally hated that their flag became pop culture and was trivialized and taken to mean something totally different.

Smh fucking clown world man
 
I’ve had the General Lee replica up in every instalment since Forza first added the 69 Charger to the roster.

Hope they are just removing liveries and not just ban hammering without warning because I’m several hours away from my PC and Xbox and will be for the next week.
 
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