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[Tulipanzo]

With newer external SSDs you could completely swap the whole PS5/SeX storage in 10min, so I think it's not that big of a deal.

 

[Xplainin]

Yeah, but why would the price jump to $500 in your prediction? Prices went doen between 960 and 970 generation despite improvements, which again shows a mass market solution works better than a proprietary one.

The one advantage SeX has is that its SSD is worse than PS5's, but I could buy a 950 Pro drive today that'll likely work on MS's system.

"Worse"? Nice troll.
When SSDs come out at 7.0gbs speed they will be at a premium. Then the particular drive that will fit in the bay, and meets other Sony criteria, the choice might not be a good as you think, and then expect to pay a premium.
Not only that, but some people wont be able to fit the new drive themselves and will have to pay someone to do it.
Now if I was trolling like you, I could say because the PS5 SSD expansion isnt plug and play it's a worse SSD.
But I won't because that's stupid to say something like that.

 

[Three]

So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.

There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.

Just get a slower SSD that matches the XSX one but don't replace the one inside the PS5. Just as you would with the XSX.

Additional storage is not going to be an issue I think. You might be able to use a standard disk drive even. It would take around 4mins to automatically transfer a game to the SSD like a scratch when you launch it. Thats like a long loading screen today but only once. That's with a standard drive too. It would be faster even with a slow XSX like drive.

It can keep the last 2-3 recently played games there and replace when you choose something else, though I'm not sure what that means for wear levelling. Not sure how feasible that is.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

"Worse"? Nice troll.
When SSDs come out at 7.0gbs speed they will be at a premium. Then the particular drive that will fit in the bay, and meets other Sony criteria, the choice might not be a good as you think, and then expect to pay a premium.
Not only that, but some people wont be able to fit the new drive themselves and will have to pay someone to do it.
Now if I was trolling like you, I could say because the PS5 SSD expansion isnt plug and play it's a worse SSD.
But I won't because that's stupid to say something like that.

You’re acting like transferring games between drives is not a thing at all. You can always move stuff to primary ssd for all the blazing fast speed. What else is your concern here?

 

[Tulipanzo]

"Worse"? Nice troll.
When SSDs come out at 7.0gbs speed they will be at a premium. Then the particular drive that will fit in the bay, and meets other Sony criteria, the choice might not be a good as you think, and then expect to pay a premium.
Not only that, but some people wont be able to fit the new drive themselves and will have to pay someone to do it.
Now if I was trolling like you, I could say because the PS5 SSD expansion isnt plug and play it's a worse SSD.
But I won't because that's stupid to say something like that.

How is worse a troll? It's slower, which for a device whose purpose is to move data makes it worse.

 

[Tschumi]

I like the point of the first replyer, though it strikes me that game sizes are steadily increasing~ i think i would actually only want one game at a time on the system, from a RL standpoint, so I'm hoping my impulsive game buying doesn't lead to me buying one of these expansion ssd cards~

 

[Xplainin]

You’re acting like transferring games between drives is not a thing at all. You can always move stuff to primary ssd for all the blazing fast speed. What else is your concern here?

I agree, and thats what I will most likely do. We are talking about the price for those people who want to upgrade.

 

[the_master]

An Xbox or Playstation branded SSD will always be more expensive than a generic one.
MS made a custom one and will probably make good profit on it. Sony should also make one. Even if it is more expensive, people will buy it to make sure it is perfectly compatible.
Reminds me of the memory cards. They where always priced ridiculously high.

 

[Xplainin]

How is worse a troll? It's slower, which for a device whose purpose is to move data makes it worse.

If I was to say the PS5 is worse than the XSX because it has less performance than the XSX then that's ok?
Nah, it would be trolling.
You were trolling.

 

[Tulipanzo]

"Worse"? Nice troll.
When SSDs come out at 7.0gbs speed they will be at a premium. Then the particular drive that will fit in the bay, and meets other Sony criteria, the choice might not be a good as you think, and then expect to pay a premium.
Not only that, but some people wont be able to fit the new drive themselves and will have to pay someone to do it.
Now if I was trolling like you, I could say because the PS5 SSD expansion isnt plug and play it's a worse SSD.
But I won't because that's stupid to say something like that.

Thing is, SSDs will be pricey.
When I decide to upgrade on PS5, I'll have to worry that the drive works, and I'll have a selection of manufacturers model and storage sizes. Prices will also naturally go down with time.
When I decide to upgrade on SeX, I'll only be able to choose MS drives, at whatever price they choose. In and of itself, that's not a problem, but console manufacturers make a lot of profit from extra hardware (eg. X1X, Elite Controllers, PS4's effin $20 plastic stand), which is going to make it pricier. Lower demand also means prices go down slower.
Plug-and-play is a nice feature, but I'd much rather be allowed to buy my own drive.

Also, massive lols at screwing in a drive requiring an external installer. I did that shit when I was 10 and had no idea about, well, anything tech-related.

 

[cormack12]

It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.

This is the way forward for 90% of us. I was checking the other day on my Pro. It comes with a 1TB drive and I get 827GB usable space and Destiny 2, RDR2, Division 2 and GTA V gobble that up really quick. If you calculate on the same ratio - usable space being 83% of raw space then it's looking like 685GB usable, then you have things like the capture gallery and save data. You can be conservative here and say 10GB if you're not a big video recorder. Plus you will have people shifting their back catalogue to the system as they get rid of their old consoles but use BC.

I'm bracing for these drives to be expensive, Ill guess they start at 256GB. This argument is stupid and most people are playing dumb. Most games are not played through and done with in a month any more. More and more titles are lasting longer, or becoming GaaS oriented so you can't just delete them and re-add without a masisve download again or shifting games round.

I'd be intrigued to see that data they used for the analysis, because I'm betting for most people they just have COD and FIFA and maybe one other game, which will by far the overwhelming majority. Or Siege and Destiny. But for people who play a lot of different games then the supposed sizes are measly. But obviously Sony's is looking daft.

For me personally, I'll just download all my games (digital only) to slower external storage then move them back and forth until it becomes too much of a headache. But this depends on how well the MS reveals etc go

edit: actually 256 might not be feasible because of the 12 channel matching. They might only be available in 825 and 1650 quantities. I'm guessing 410 would be too small to make it worth it, losing probably 30gb to formatting etc. but its a possibility

 

[Tulipanzo]

If I was to say the PS5 is worse than the XSX because it has less performance than the XSX then that's ok?
Nah, it would be trolling.
You were trolling.

That comment would require clarification, mainly because of technical minutiaes.
To make it easier, if you said "the Pro's GPU is worse than X1X's" than you'd be correct.
Similarly, the SeX's SSD at 2.4GB/s is objectively worse than the PS5's at 5.5GB/s by a factor of 2.

 

[GHG]

The first drives that will be compatible will hit the market later this year.

Once the first one drops, more will wuickly follow. The same thing happened when the first PCIe 4.0 drives hit the market, most manufacturers share identical parts and have their drives manufactured in the same factories.

The prices will follow the same trajectory as other ssd/nvme drives due to there being competition and utility outside of just the PS5.

As always you will pay the price for being an early adopter but if you are willing to wait a year or so then you will be able to find some good deals.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Use a slower SSD and transfer the games. This will take barely any time.

 

[Xplainin]

That comment would require clarification, mainly because of technical minutiaes.
To make it easier, if you said "the Pro's GPU is worse than X1X's" than you'd be correct.
Similarly, the SeX's SSD at 2.4GB/s is objectively worse than the PS5's at 5.5GB/s by a factor of 2.

You could have said "slower" which is correct. Worse was used to troll.
You know it.

 

[Tulipanzo]

This is the way forward for 90% of us. I was checking the other day on my Pro. It comes with a 1TB drive and I get 827GB usable space and Destiny 2, RDR2, Division 2 and GTA V gobble that up really quick. If you calculate on the same ratio - usable space being 83% of raw space then it's looking like 685GB usable, then you have things like the capture gallery and save data. You can be conservative here and say 10GB if you're not a big video recorder. Plus you will have people shifting their back catalogue to the system as they get rid of their old consoles but use BC.

I'm bracing for these drives to be expensive, Ill guess they start at 256GB. This argument is stupid and most people are playing dumb. Most games are not played through and done with in a month any more. More and more titles are lasting longer, or becoming GaaS oriented so you can't just delete them and re-add without a masisve download again or shifting games round.

I'd be intrigued to see that data they used for the analysis, because I'm betting for most people they just have COD and FIFA and maybe one other game, which will by far the overwhelming majority. Or Siege and Destiny. But for people who play a lot of different games then the supposed sizes are measly. But obviously Sony's is looking daft.

For me personally, I'll just download all my games (digital only) to slower external storage then move them back and forth until it becomes too much of a headache. But this depends on how well the MS reveals etc go

Sony's solution here though is patently better: allowing use of third party devices means prices go down faster over time, and tech improvements are immediately accessible. I mean, you can get a 8TB Sata SSD and put it in your PS3.
Sony is in a more awkward spot rn, because it's drive it's pretty much better than anything else you can buy atm, while you could buy an SSD that'll work on SeX today.

The difference in approach comes down to the fact that you can make a good profit off of people that need more storage, but it's hardly ideal and rather anti-consumer.

 

[jigglet]

Let's assume PS5 sells 10 million in the first 18 months. That would be a reasonable number considering 10 million is a pretty solid 12 month number in normal times. I don't know if 10 million is a big enough number to have a drastic affect on prices. I think what would supercharge this is if PCIe 4.0 SSD's on PC's got broad adoption. Then suddenly you might add another 50 million to that number. So I think everyone's eyes should be on how PCIe 4.0 goes over the next year, cause this is what will really help us in the console space. I know that if all my favourite games on PC were updated to support such high end SSD's and loading times went down to like 1/10th of where they are now I would be willing to drop a grand on a new PC without a hesitation. This is where consoles push PC's, and PC's can help with consoles. Win win.

With the next gen AMD cpu's scheduled for this year I think we'll start seeing this. Fingers crossed.

 

[Tulipanzo]

You could have said "slower" which is correct. Worse was used to troll.
You know it.

No, it's just worse, since data transfer is the only thing it does.
For example, Pro has fewer cus running slower than X1X, so its GPU is straight up worse.
PS5 has fewer cus, but they run faster than SeX's; saying its GPU is worse would be too broad, but "worse in regards to raw computational power" is correct.

Point is, there is no nuance if one drive performs worse in the one task it needs to do. It's just worse, and your complaint is purely on semantics because you don't like it.

 

[cormack12]

Sony's solution here though is patently better: allowing use of third party devices means prices go down faster over time, and tech improvements are immediately accessible. I mean, you can get a 8TB Sata SSD and put it in your PS3.
Sony is in a more awkward spot rn, because it's drive it's pretty much better than anything else you can buy atm, while you could buy an SSD that'll work on SeX today.

No-one is arguing about better. This is a thread about Sony SSD not Xbox so I'm just going to ignore any console warring about them.

The OP is talking about price point and affordability. Until the SSD prices are cheap, then only morons or those with large disposable incomes are going to buy extra storage instead of using the more cost effective solution of just a standard external drive and transferring games.

I also think it's stupid to say PS5 owners need to expand their special SSD to run 3rd party titles, when they run fine on standard SSD with PC/XsX. You hit the nail on the head tbh, anti-consumer

 

[MastaKiiLA]

What's the point of discussing prices of NVMe M2. PCIe 4.0 SSD with read speeds above 5.5GB/s if you aren't even going to try to source prices for upcoming SSD's that meet or exceed those specs? https://www.anandtech.com/show/15352/ces-2020-samsung-980-pro-pcie-40-ssd-makes-an-appearance

A 1TB EVO 970 is 100 to 180 dollars at the moment so why in the world would you expect the next gen SSD to be 3 to 4 times as much?

The drives in the 980 class or higher will be expensive. I don't doubt that. The 1TB 970 Evo Plus was around $300 on sale, when I got mine last year. I would expect Samsung drives to continue to be class leaders in this next iteration of drives too, so I don't know how much we can expect prices to scale. I guess a lot of that will hinge on how many units Sony can sell, and how much the enterprise businesses get on board. On paper, the i/o gains look substantial, but is there architecture on the enterprise side that will make the switch up a worthwhile upgrade over a 970 Pro? I don't have an answer for that. Hopefully prices can drop faster than they did with the 970 class NVME drives.

 

[Tulipanzo]

No-one is arguing about better. This is a thread about Sony SSD not Xbox so I'm just going to ignore any console warring about them.

The OP is talking about price point and affordability. Until the SSD prices are cheap, then only morons or those with large disposable incomes are going to buy extra storage instead of using the more cost effective solution of just a standard external drive and transferring games.

I also think it's stupid to say PS5 owners need to expand their special SSD to run 3rd party titles, when they run fine on standard SSD with PC/XsX. You hit the nail on the head tbh, anti-consumer

OP directly compares the two in his post, so really the discussion is around both. Complaining one drive might cost more because it is better is pretty silly. It's an optional upgrade to keep stuff downloaded, and fixed by swapping games off an externa HDD/SSD or just keeping fewer games at one time. It's hardly an unsolvable problem, especially as drives go down in price over time.

The key issue here is PS5 drives might cost more because of their quality, MS's drive price will be inflated by the need to profit off of lucrative users, which we both agreed is anti-consumer. It is a problem highlighted by the fact that "SeX-level" drives have been available for years (hello 950 Pro).

 

[MasterCornholio]

It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.

Should be alot faster to transfer the data from HDD to SSD rather than Blu-ray to SSD.

Is it possible to store whole games on a HDD and just transfer it when needed to the PS5s SSD?

If I can do that I'll probably save on time from disk installs or downloads.

 

[SaucyJack]

There has been a misconception repeated a couple of times in this thread.

You are not REPLACING the SSD in the PS5.

PS3 and 4 had easily replaceable HDDs but that is not the solution utilised in the PS5. The stock SSD has a ton of customisation on it and will remain in place, there will be an expansion bay to add a second drive that meets the minimum speed and physical size requirements.

 

[bitbydeath]

nah.. you forget the PS5 SSD will be only 825GB + dont forget the OS + save files taking up some space as well.
At best, maybe 4-5 games if they follow the 100gb logic.

Are the save files 100GB each too?
7-8 games sounds much more likely and that’s if they reach 100GB each.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.

Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices

Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !

Jesus Christ, the mods on here are shockingly bad. I posted one comment about Xbox and got a warning + the mods idea of a funny tag line under my name to report me, yet this kind of garbage comment is allowed?

Dear oh dear, I see the rise of the new SJW, triggered at the mere mention of a negative aspect of your favourite console.

 

[Hunnybun]

It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.

Was thinking the same. How long will it take to transfer a game from HDD to the SSD?

 

[PropellerEar]

Jesus Christ, the mods on here are shockingly bad. I posted one comment about Xbox and got a warning + the mods idea of a funny tag line under my name to report me, yet this kind of garbage comment is allowed?

Mods here are in my opinion excellent, they don't have time to read all threads and posts, if you feel something is out of line, use the report functionality.

 

[PropellerEar]

It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.

This is my plan too, will add external HDD or SSD, until something for the extension slot is affordable.

 

[Allandor]

XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.

Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices

Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !

Depends on what is on the SSD "card". If there are only the chips without cache and without a controller, it can be a lot cheaper. If they reuse the controller of the xbox. If the sticks contain a controller it will be more expensive, but much less difficult for most consumers to expand it.

 

[ZywyPL]

A PS5 'certified' SSD will be expensive because of its speed.
A Series X 'certified' is proprietary. If past Microsoft Xbox accessory pricing is any indication, the Series X external SSD's will also be quite expensive.
I'm really surprised with Microsoft's approach by the way. They have very good read/write speeds by todays standars, but nothing unachavieable by third party SDD's a year or two down the line.
They should have kept the SSD expansion generic, not proprietary, especially after all the external storage options they added to Xbox 360 and Xbox One.

I prefer it that way, I was hoping those PS5 expandable SSD rumors were indeed true as well, because that way, you just know it will be a simple plug&play solution, you know it will fit, you know the performance will be there, whereas leaving everything in 3rd party hands doesn't guarantee anything, chances are the drives will overheat and throttle, like they already do on PC that are much better ventilated, or they will slap such a big heatsink to keep the temps/performance in check that it won't fit at all. I won't be surprised at all if after a couple years it will turn out that no drive is actually be compatible with the PS5, and Sony will eventually have to take the same route as MS and offer their internal SSD as an external solution as well.

 

[Eliciel]

You should be able to fit 7-8 100GB games on it before needing to worry about space. How many do you often play at once?

I Play 2-3 simoultaneously at MAX so I am all set.

 

[cormack12]

OP directly compares the two in his post, so really the discussion is around both. Complaining one drive might cost more because it is better is pretty silly. It's an optional upgrade to keep stuff downloaded, and fixed by swapping games off an externa HDD/SSD or just keeping fewer games at one time. It's hardly an unsolvable problem, especially as drives go down in price over time.

More competition/neutralisation will lower prices. Proprietary is always higher. Remember vita cards? Certification and accreditation is one of the most corrupt ways to drive up prices just to have a 'compatible with...' sticker because it's been tested and then licensed etc.

You're not contextualising the difference properly. Available usable space on the XsX means an upgrade won't be needed as quick. If we use the 83% for continuity then you have an extra 120gb which is prob one extra GaaS or a couple of smaller games. So the cost will loom larger for those on PS5. And it will depend on the difference in price - again just like vita cards compared to microSD cards. So it's arguably more of a concern. I'm guessing as well they will need to be sold in the 12 channel variants so you won't have as much scope to pick up a 'cheaper, smaller' drive.

Microsoft went with we'll give you the same as last gen with better performance
Sony went with we'll give you less than last gen with better performance

I don't think we disagree, I think you just gloss over a lot more because it's Sony, whereas I'm more prone to still buy a PS5 but accept certain things as being shit but not really caring about calling them out. For me, I won't be buying an expensive SSD, I think 700GB usable is awful - but I'm not screaming about it until we see if these space savings in games are actually realised.

 

[geordiemp]

We should not forget just how special the SSD is in the PS5. It is all that has been talked about since the reveal.

This revolutionary piece of pure magic is going to transform game development and assure that high res textures and assets are exclusive to the PS5. This is what everyone has been claiming also.

Awesomeness of this calibre doesn't come cheap. Expecting a higher price is a given if the SSD is going to do everything that everyone is stating. Not concern trolling, just aligning expectations with claims.

So, XSX is cheaper than the SSD chips in Ps5 with 12 lanes because ps5 performs better. Sounds well calculated and thought out post.

And no idea what you rant about exclusive stuff is, show us who is claiming that. Links ? Thats called a strawman argument by the way if you did not know.

 

[geordiemp]

Jesus Christ, the mods on here are shockingly bad. I posted one comment about Xbox and got a warning + the mods idea of a funny tag line under my name to report me, yet this kind of garbage comment is allowed?

Dear oh dear, I see the rise of the new SJW, triggered at the mere mention of a negative aspect of your favourite console.

Whats SJW got to do with concern trolling about ps5 pricing of parts that have not yet been anounced ?

When we see the pricing of ps5 and XSX exra SSD, then you can argue all you want.

We dont know either so whatever.

 

[Caffeine]

Are the save files 100GB each too?
7-8 games sounds much more likely and that’s if they reach 100GB each.

biggest save ive seen is nba2k at 5GBs my career data, but thats an outlier most games have very small saves lol.

 

[vkbest]

I hope Sony will offer a individual backup games on external hard drive. You can do some similar on PS4 today, moving games from internal hard drive to external.

biggest save ive seen is nba2k at 5GBs my career data, but thats an outlier most games have very small saves lol.

After I play a game on PS4, I manually upload saves, I would say the most used size is around 12-13 MB for save.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Jesus Christ, the mods on here are shockingly bad. I posted one comment about Xbox and got a warning + the mods idea of a funny tag line under my name to report me, yet this kind of garbage comment is allowed?

Your warning (singular) - in which we acknowledged your contriteness and pointed you to a relevant thread - was to highlight that out the blue you injected yourself into established threads, talked about just setting up new accounts and dropped the console warrior bait of 9TF. Here are the linked posts:

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www.neogaf.com

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What? You're not really making sense It's all right though, don't worry for me.

www.neogaf.com

Custom tags can be removed in time, when earned or when people do things that are much stupider and supersede the last custom tag. Custom tags are applied in order to calm people down and think, before they overstep the mark as well.

 

[Tulipanzo]

More competition/neutralisation will lower prices. Proprietary is always higher. Remember vita cards? Certification and accreditation is one of the most corrupt ways to drive up prices just to have a 'compatible with...' sticker because it's been tested and then licensed etc.

You're not contextualising the difference properly. Available usable space on the XsX means an upgrade won't be needed as quick. If we use the 83% for continuity then you have an extra 120gb which is prob one extra GaaS or a couple of smaller games. So the cost will loom larger for those on PS5. And it will depend on the difference in price - again just like vita cards compared to microSD cards. So it's arguably more of a concern. I'm guessing as well they will need to be sold in the 12 channel variants so you won't have as much scope to pick up a 'cheaper, smaller' drive.

Microsoft went with we'll give you the same as last gen with better performance
Sony went with we'll give you less than last gen with better performance

I don't think we disagree, I think you just gloss over a lot more because it's Sony, whereas I'm more prone to still buy a PS5 but accept certain things as being shit but not really caring about calling them out. For me, I won't be buying an expensive SSD, I think 700GB usable is awful - but I'm not screaming about it until we see if these space savings in games are actually realised.

Your comment makes it sound as if Sony is going with a proprietary solution, while actually MS is.

While I'm actually comparing available info, you're completely fabricating a "racket" of certification, when we've had 15 years on HDDs without that happening.
There's no reason for Sony to not certify something when they aren't making it, while MS is straight up prohibiting access to any drives but theirs, despite again their SSD solution being worse.

Both are offering more space than last gen, and while I agree I and others will need more space, third party drives are obviously a smarter and more pro-consumer solution. I'd also point out that Cerny already said they won't need 12-channel access, but they'll have to be faster than 5.5GB/s so maybe do some research.

 

[igivehugs2nakedwomen]

The drives in the 980 class or higher will be expensive. I don't doubt that. The 1TB 970 Evo Plus was around $300 on sale, when I got mine last year. I would expect Samsung drives to continue to be class leaders in this next iteration of drives too, so I don't know how much we can expect prices to scale. I guess a lot of that will hinge on how many units Sony can sell, and how much the enterprise businesses get on board. On paper, the i/o gains look substantial, but is there architecture on the enterprise side that will make the switch up a worthwhile upgrade over a 970 Pro? I don't have an answer for that. Hopefully prices can drop faster than they did with the 970 class NVME drives.

Here is the EVO 970 for $180 not $300

SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E1T0BW - Newegg.com

Buy SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E1T0BW with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

and it's not on sale and it's 1TB. Some people are hell bent on downplaying the PS5 for some reason.

 

[captainraincoat]

So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.

There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.

They have not really explained what happens if you don’t use a similar spec drive to the internal....given it’s only 800gig it’s also a pretty small size so most people are in this boat

If you expect everyone to pony up an additional couple of hundred dollars on an external ssd drive it’s going to be expensive

 

[Panajev2001a]

So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.

There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.

Nobody said 7 GB/s or less... not sure where you are getting it from (Cerny was just making an example of the fast PCI-E 4.0 drives hitting the market this year and the peak PCI-E 4.0 drives bandwidth, he did. It state that you had to have such a fast drive to qualify as minimum...)... and $500?

 

[Panajev2001a]

It could be this gens RROD.

are you for real? This is concern trolling taken to the next level...

 

[cormack12]

Your comment makes it sound as if Sony is going with a proprietary solution, while actually MS is.

While I'm actually comparing available info, you're completely fabricating a "racket" of certification, when we've had 15 years on HDDs without that happening.
There's no reason for Sony to not certify something when they aren't making it, while MS is straight up prohibiting access to any drives but theirs, despite again their SSD solution being worse.

Both are offering more space than last gen, and while I agree I and others will need more space, third party drives are obviously a smarter and more pro-consumer solution. I'd also point out that Cerny already said they won't need 12-channel access, but they'll have to be faster than 5.5GB/s so maybe do some research.

Depends how you frame it. If you can only use drives which are accredited/Sony approved, it's pretty much limiting what you can choose. The accreditation makes ir proprietary by nature (not the tech or components). This isn't just consoles by the way, this is the same as any hardware accreditation nonsense. Similar to how you can't use normal BT headphones on PS4. Yeah, MS has gone the route of the old 360 drives (was it?), that you slotted on the side? MS had those drives at premium and Sony had Vita cards at premium. I think if you're expecting better hardware at lower prices, you're expecting too much. Just write it out

500GB SSD 2.4GB
500GB SSD 5.5+GB

That's why I said 'I guess' flippantly. It's not the case, no big deal is it?

 

[Dnice1]

Here is the EVO 970 for $180 not $300

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and it's not on sale and it's 1TB. Some people are hell bent on downplaying the PS5 for some reason.

Lol, I think some folks are being overly sensitive about there plastic box of choice.

Back to the topic. The PS5 according to Mark Cerny is going to need an SSD that has specs over and above the internal drive's transfers speed. So it will need the most expensive top of the line drive. Its also going to have to be small enough (no heat sink) to fit inside the PS5 expansion bay. That's going to be expensive. There is no way around that. Microsoft solution is a partnership with Seagate. Seeing as though Seagate is currently the only manufacture I'm sure there is a price point Microsoft had them agree to. I wouldn't be surprised if it came between $149-$199.

 

[igivehugs2nakedwomen]

The truly astonishing thing about this thread is how someone can actually try to infer that a proprietary ssd would be better than choosing your own.

See above ^^^

 

[cormack12]

Microsoft solution is a partnership with Seagate. Seeing as though Seagate is currently the only manufacture I'm sure there is a price point Microsoft had them agree to. I wouldn't be surprised if it came between $149-$199.

As an aside Seagtae disks are still horrible. I know their rep improved over time, but the SAN we used had splits of Hitachi and Seagate shelves and the MTF on the Seagates is still grim. They deffo are a HDD manufacturer I avoid.

 

[Tulipanzo]

Depends how you frame it. If you can only use drives which are accredited/Sony approved, it's pretty much limiting what you can choose. The accreditation makes ir proprietary by nature (not the tech or components). This isn't just consoles by the way, this is the same as any hardware accreditation nonsense. Similar to how you can't use normal BT headphones on PS4. Yeah, MS has gone the route of the old 360 drives (was it?), that you slotted on the side? MS had those drives at premium and Sony had Vita cards at premium. I think if you're expecting better hardware at lower prices, you're expecting too much. Just write it out

500GB SSD 2.4GB
500GB SSD 5.5+GB

That's why I said 'I guess' flippantly. It's not the case, no big deal is it?

The accreditation process makes Sony no money. It'll be as little as a blog post with supported drives (as it is right now for HDDs).

As times goes on, entire swaths of drives of all sizes will become available. Again, 8TB SSDs on PS3, while MS will be limited to whatever the SeX audience may make profitable. Sony won't make money out of additional storage, but MS will.

This could have been easily fixedby MS allowing both their drives and other manufacturers', but they went the anti-consumer route.

 

[Leyasu]

So, XSX is cheaper than the SSD chips in Ps5 with 12 lanes because ps5 performs better. Sounds well calculated and thought out post.

And no idea what you rant about exclusive stuff is, show us who is claiming that. Links ? Thats called a strawman argument by the way if you did not know.

Talking about the SSD. Isn't the claim that this thing can outperform anything on the market? If so would that not add an expectancy of heightened cost no? I don't know what it is like in dole queue doser paradise Newcastle, but everywhere else, highest performers or better spec'd equipment no matter what are nearly always accompanied by a higher cost.

You yourself have claimed many times that the SSD in the PS5 will enable the highest res textures and assets. Your post history is available to anyone bored enough to look at your deranged fanboy ramblings. Plus many others on here say or imply the same things. No need to name and shame, just go into any next gen thread.... Especially the plethora on SSDs in particular.

 

[Bernkastel]

XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.

Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices

Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !

Since you seem to be so certain of it, I am bookmarking it for when the price of Xbox Series X expansion card and PS5 certified NVMe drives are revealed.

 

[geordiemp]

Talking about the SSD. Isn't the claim that this thing can outperform anything on the market? If so would that not add an expectancy of heightened cost no? I don't know what it is like in dole queue doser paradise Newcastle, but everywhere else, highest performers or better spec'd equipment no matter what are nearly always accompanied by a higher cost.

You yourself have claimed many times that the SSD in the PS5 will enable the highest res textures and assets. Your post history is available to anyone bored enough to look at your deranged fanboy ramblings. Plus many others on here say or imply the same things. No need to name and shame, just go into any next gen thread.... Especially the plethora on SSDs in particular.

I have a nice job thanks and live in London, but no need to be consescending to the poor and unfortunate in society.

Since you seem to be so certain of it, I am bookmarking it for when the price of Xbox Series X expansion card and PS5 certified NVMe drives are revealed.

Did you even read what I typed. ?