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geordiemp
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Who knows, Ps4 pro doubled the ROPS from 32 to 64 just for the ps4 pro, but it is likely 64
ToadMan
Member
ToadMan , we'll see if the situation arises where it makes sense to use more than 10GB for VRAM out of a pool of only 13.5GB (on a system with Ryzen CPUs and games pushing 3d audio).
Well limits like that have a habit of getting in the way bearing in mind we're talking about a system built for a 7 year or so cycle.
Personally I don't think it's an issue at all - both systems are in the same range for memory bandwidth vs flop so they'll both perform equally for all practical purposes.
Github pointed towards both ps5 and xsx having the same amount of rops and not 80 like that website states. Ps5 will have a higher pixel fill rate due to the 2.23ghz clock. It's really not hard to understand.Man your calculator suggest PS5 GPU is not only on XSX level (despite having whole 16 CUs less), but even faster thanks to higher clock alone. I dont know If can trust your calculatorand especially when your data dont much up with techpowerup data (reputable site).
ToadMan
Member
Man your calculator suggest PS5 GPU is not only on XSX level (despite having whole 16 CUs less), but even faster thanks to higher clock alone. I dont know If can trust your calculator
Techpowerup is making an assumption about the number of ROPS. There hasn't been any confirmed number - there've been rumors though - I've heard 80 and 96 in one case, but usually they're just posts here and there based on no data.
Techpowerup also claims to know the TDPs of the systems but their numbers.... well let's see.
64 ROPs seems to be the AMD "standard" in the timescale of these (Ps5/xsex) GPU development so that's where 64 is coming from in the absence of anything else to go on. But the ROP design is modular, if there's room on the SOC it's possible MS have a different number of ROPS which will change the pixel fill rate....
ToadMan
Member
Yes. The PS5 will outperform the xsex by measured SSD throughput.
If you quote me - make sure to quote the whole sentence for context.
pasterpl
Member
I said it already in the dedicated topic, while the actual share seems small, we are talking about sony Investing 250M in epic, it is obvious that epic will be very positive about ps5 due to 250M deal happening in the background, in addition we are not talking about some publishing deal, Sony now actually owns part of epic, this by itself is cause for some “red flags” and adds a perspective to what epic was saying.
/let’s move on with this discussion to dedicated thread, but note that any mention of epic quotes will automatically bring back that 250M quote to this thread, there is no way around it
saintjules
Member
Overall, they're just in a lot of RPG games that they've become a go-to filler for sidequests:
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sircaw
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thanks for info, don't wanna watch dragon quest one that game is still on my radar, eventually.
sigh no fish. Stinky Catnips
VideodromeX
Member
PS5 with tons os games running at 30fps and people still hopes that it will be better than XSX.
Neo Blaster
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Do we know whether the PS5 CPU/GPU will be using the AMD Infinity Fabric, has it popped up in leaks or rumours? I can be very forgetful
nVidia in the same bandwagon:
LOL
In this case, the amount of data is in no way related to the transmission rate.7,8,10 or 12 GB of game data is already shared between two RAM-pools. 560GB/s is a common memory bandwidth. GPU of XSX can take advantage of almost the entire bandwidth. The artificial framework created for him is ridiculous and contradicts what Microsoft engineer said.
Also, do not forget that SOC of XSX has a HUGE 76MB cache. This means reducing the number of memory accesses.
Entertaining:
PS4 Separate Memories Would’ve Been Preferred, GPU Is Here To Stay, SDK Will Make Console Faster
“Unified memory architecture simplifies development, but personally I would prefer two separate memories. It would allow to get a better performance as CPU and GPU have different memory access patterns, which require different memory types,” states Krzysztof.
link
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3liteDragon
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I mean, if RGT’s sources are right and the PS5 does have that Zen 3 feature where the L3 cache is unified and there’s only one CCX, I don’t see the need for Infinity Fabric. I just wanna know if Sony went with a chiplet design for the APU, cause if that’s true, people don’t realize how much of a cutdown that is in terms of manufacturing costs and how big of an impact it can have on the console’s pricing.Do we know whether the PS5 CPU/GPU will be using the AMD Infinity Fabric, has it popped up in leaks or rumours? I can be very forgetful
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jose4gg
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Go ahead and show us a game that has announce it will have a greater framerate on Xbox series x than what it will have in ps5.
Bo_Hazem
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Reaching 20,000 reactions after this post (Ranking 15th for most reactions in NeoGAF so far) , thanks to all of you here and I hope I contributed well and entertained you along the way.
) , thanks to all of you here and I hope I contributed well and entertained you along the way.
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Bo_Hazem
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Do we know whether the PS5 CPU/GPU will be using the AMD Infinity Fabric, has it popped up in leaks or rumours? I can be very forgetful
Nothing yet, but signs of "memory very close", cooling patent, give the idea of using it or something similar.
sircaw
Banned
Reaching 20,000 reactions after this post (Ranking 15th for most reactions in NeoGAF so far
Now Start again with no memes, like me... HARDCORE FISH
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
When did I say or imply that?
Even if a game is PS4 BC and works well or better on the PS5, that's great. But if they bring out and dedicated PS5 version where they go in and do they extra work to take advantage of things that BC wouldn't, like re-engineering the engine's rendering pipeline to remove the need for LoD and leverage high-res assets in all scenarios, Ray tracing etc. and maybe include all of the DLC that I never bought, then I may choose to buy that version as well. They would have to earn my money though, and they certainly wouldn't be forcing me to do anything.
SSfox
Member
I honestly hope this won't happen, if they're about to put extra works and graphics features i'd rather a 5 or 10 bucks or so paid upgrade at least, but re-releasing the same that's a no no and it need to stop. It was understandable with PS4 because PS3 tech was drastically different, but no more excuses now for this BS.
pawel86ck
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If that would be indeed the case, it wouldn't be a problem for me, because I was expecting PS5 to take the power crown with 13TF (you can find my posts in this thread posted over 5 months ago). I'm however not so sure if your calculations are correct and thats all. Your data doesn't match up with techpowerup data and they are reputable source of information when it comes to GPUs specs. You probably arnt taking into account some important details and it wouldn't be the first time people in this thread are doing that.
AMD Radeon RX 5700 Specs
AMD Navi 10, 1725 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit
Even standard 5700 with 1700 MHz clock has similar pixel fillrate, and XSX has both clock and CUs advantage compared to 5700. I like funny jokes
, but here we werent supposed to post such absurd claims. People from over the world read this site, and later on they will repeat the worst possible lies because they will blindly believe you.I'm not xbox fanboy. Havent you seen my posts where I was prising PS5, or are you not familiar with my posts?The problem is that it doesn't fit his MS fanboy narrative trying to downplay by all means the PS5
You should ignore him
I know people hates me from all sides, because I can criticize all gaming platforms. In this particular thread however there are many PS fans that unfortunately try to post really absurd claims, so I feel obligated to respond when I see such dishonest comments.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Yeah I personally probably wouldn't buy anything like I mentioned until it was about £15 in a sale, same only if I deemed the updates to be significant. Bit I guess a patch would work too. Obviously if someone gives you a full optimised rework for free, them great. Basically, judge everything someone tries to sell you in its own merits and your own value scale.
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sircaw
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If that would be indeed the case, it wouldn't be a problem for me, because I was expecting PS5 to take the power crown with 13TF (you can find my posts in this thread posted over 5 months ago). I'm however not so sure if your calculations are correct and thats all. Your data doesn't match up with techpowerup data and they are reputable source of information when it comes to GPUs specs. You probably arnt taking into account some important details and it wouldn't be the first time people in this thread are doing that.
AMD Radeon RX 5700 Specs
AMD Navi 10, 1725 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bitwww.techpowerup.com
Even standard 5700 with 1700 MHz clock has similar pixel fillrate, and XSX has both clock and CUs advantage compared to 5700. I like funny jokes
I'm not xbox fanboy. Havent you seen my posts where I was prising PS5, or are you not familiar with my posts?
I know people hates me from all sides, because I can criticize all gaming platforms. In this particular thread however there are many PS fans that unfortunately try to post really absurd claims, so I feel obligated to respond when I see such dishonest comments.
Not a fanboy wtf, that's not what that "I
Phil Tattoo" says on your left buttcheek, and if you wonder why/how i know this fact, Bo told me.
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pawel86ck
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Phil is not in my type, I prefer tall blonds with medium / big boobsNot a fanboy wtf, that's not what that "I
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sircaw
Banned
Phil is not in my type, I prefer tall blonds with medium / big boobs
I am afraid Phil is everyone's type, your not escaping that easy.
Remember he does not care about your preferred hardware as long as you bring your milkshake to the yard..
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FranXico
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Not only is Phil everyone's type, he's not into exclusive relationships...Phil is not in my type, I prefer tall blonds with medium / big boobs
sircaw
Banned
Not only is Phil everyone's type, he's not into exclusive relationships...
Basically a hoe,
ITS A FUCKING JOKE MS FANBOYS. Jeez.
pawel86ck
Banned
Funny fish
.But if you want to know my honest opinion about Phil, I think he is a cool dude. He smiles a lot and his marketing / lying skills are unmatched, so who dont like him? Also please remember, a right man in a wrong place can make all the difference in the world.
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sircaw
Banned
Funny fish
But if you want to know my honest opinion about Phil, I think he is a cool dude. He smiles a lot and his marketing / lying skills are unmatched, so who dont like him? Also please remember, a right man in a wrong place can make all the difference in the world.
As long as Fable comes to Ps5, HE's my Man.
If i am allowed to assume his gender of course.
Sleep doctor is probably going to have a heart attack after reading these posts.
ToadMan
Member
Do we know whether the PS5 CPU/GPU will be using the AMD Infinity Fabric, has it popped up in leaks or rumours? I can be very forgetful
Far as I know SmartShift is a feature of infinity fabric so I guess it's a yes.
FranXico
Member
Wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes...
geordiemp
Member
Basically a hoe,
ITS A FUCKING JOKE MS FANBOYS. Jeez.
Phil just says whatever sounds best for what MS are doing at that moment in time. MS must have better engineers than this guy that can head up.
Buying studios - Exclusives are important
Not enough next gen games ready - Cross gen is more important and pro consumer
When next gen games ready - we believe in exclusives and Xbox is best place to play them
Imtjnotu
Member
Wait what
You sure? They bought intels modem division and it'd the whole reason they stopped using Qualcomm
Imtjnotu
Member
You know that I know that he doesn't know what a rop is or how they work.
pawel86ck
Banned
But really man, I'm impressed with his marketing skills. He has big enthusiasm and like I have already said he smiles a lot, so he can talk for minutes and minutes without revealing literally anything, and it's still interesting. I especially remember his talk in regards to XSX power (2x xbox one x and 8x xbox), because his talk was really well thought. Therethically he told people something, but because it was a riddle people werent sure how fast XSX really is. He may look funny, but in really he is a bright guy for sure.As long as Fable comes to Ps5, HE's my Man.
If i am allowed to assume his gender of course.
Sleep doctor is probably going to have a heart attack after reading these posts.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
RedGamingTech also mentioned both consoles will have 64 ROPS, multiple times.
I know I keep bringing him up, but he's usually reliable lol
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jimbojim
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It's not absurd number when PS5 GPU is faster.
64x1.825 is 116.8. No more, no less. And you CAN'T change that
But Github leak didn't mentioned 80 ROPS for XSX, isn't it, only 64? IIRC Github was 100% right for XSX and partially for PS5.
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pawel86ck
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Ok, so since you are such a wise guy, then please explain to us how it's possible XSX with 16 CUs and 100 MHz clock advantage has similar fillrate compared to standard 5700? We are waiting for your valuable insight.
Jimbojim XSX theorethical XSX performance calculation was clearly wrong and not to mention his claim (he said PS5 GPU is faster than XSX GPU) doesn't correspond with borderlands 3 developer claim who said the otherwise.
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sircaw
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I agree, he definitely has some marketing skills. As for being bright, i sure as hell hope so, being top brass of a company like microsoft, you have to be pretty clued up.
However saying that, if i was top brass we would have 40 Fable games and 40 wisp games and scrap the rest.
And Amanda Cerny would be my Secretary. I would work alot of late nights.
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jimbojim
Banned
PS5 GPU is faster. Which GPU HAS a higher clock?
Bonsaibäumchen
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Pixelfillrate is calculated by Rops time Clockspeed.
It has been commonly speculated both consoles will have 64 rops. (Thats what most leaks and techsites speculated )
ROPS
RX 5700,XSX,PS5 have 64 Rops
Clockspeeds
RX 5700 has 1.465-1.750 mhz
XSX has 1.825 mhz
PS5 has 2.230 mhz
Now do your math.
Nevermind just saw your post beneath mine and I realized theres no reasoning with you. Obviously you won't accept any informations/speculations based on widly accepted specs. You'd rather believe anything else as long as it makes XSX more powerful then PS5 in every possible way.
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pawel86ck
Banned
You know I wasnt asking for clock speed difference, but real processing power.
When it comes to your XSX vs PS5 performance estimation, do I need to remind you we are still waiting for full XSX breakdown? You want to tell me you came from the future and you know all the important details about XSX and PS5 GPUs? I'm guessing you wrote this comparison based on leaks data, and If that's the case your comparison was not only wrong but disingenuous. If you want to take leaks seriously you may as well consider PS5 GPU has no HW RT and VRS, because leaks also mentioned that.
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Dolomite
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You don't need windows store. IP's published by MS but hosted on or license through steam is still revenue for MS. For example Sony gets paid whether I Buy HZD through Steam, Epic game store or PSN, if that's easier to follow.
You keep saying Xbox will become 3rd party for including PC and xcloud....like MS isn't a 1.6 trillion dollar PC software manufacturing giant. It's like people forget yrs before entering the console space, this is all they did. You,me, we are all using Windows™.
software and hardware development is what peaked their curiosity into a dedicated gaming console. Halo:CE was meant to be released for Mac and debut at an apple event before anyone knew what an Xbox was. So no I don't see them dropping Xbox for poor sale, or isolating PC gamers to conform to the hardcore definition of console exclusive for gaf. The only people that see a company like MS as a 3rd party entity... Are the only people who can't play the games that are widely available to a major portion of the gaming community. There's too many ways to play.PC XSS/XSX/ Xcloud
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geordiemp
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Why are you confusing CPU clock and GPU pixel fill rate ?
And whats a RDNA1 card got to do with anything ? It does not matter what pixel fill rate, shader rate, terrafloppies, cache or CU occupancy or whatever, it depends how all the design works as a whole and what can be done in the frame time.
Both consoles are more similar just go about it diffetent ways - some posters are only comfortable with a clear winner - I wonder why ?
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DaGwaphics
Member
So, what piece of software are you the most excited about in regards to the Atari VCS 800 and the Amico?
ToadMan
Member
Then that's your mistake. For processor nomenclature speed refers to clock speed.... as do the terms "faster" and "slower"
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pawel86ck
Banned
I dont consider data from leaks as facts and especially when it contradics what we know about RDNA1-2 GPUs. But I will be mercyful for you
, because I'm half german myself and I refuse to fight with you. Have a nice day.
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jimbojim
Banned
Yeah, funny thing is regarding Github, about PS5 is right, but about XSX is wrong./s
No way XSX GPU has a slower pixel fill rate. When in the end is other way around. Everything regarding XSX and Github was proven right 100% IIRC, but not PS5. Yeah, i'm disingenuous
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MasterCornholio
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This Joker
Which would be the same for Xbox if you bought a Diskless XSX or XSS.
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