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[SlimySnake]

Dunkey is a shill

the guy fellated all over Mario Odyssey and that game is, at best, merely okay.

I hate all these cancel culture youtubers

jimquisition is the absolute worst. Holy shit that guy looks like some Comical SJW version of Adolf Hitler.

he basically shits on every game studio and tries to preach about their Corporate ethics and greed, meanwhile he’s collecting Millions off his cancel culture faux outrage

Mario Odyssey has a 98 on metacritic. i have no idea wtf the critics were smoking there. my son loves it. hes been playing it non stop for two months straight but then again he's 5 and doesnt know any better.

and yes, i cant even stand to look at Jim. i have no idea why gamers love this shtick of angry gamers.

 

[SlimySnake]

I've been bouncing back and forth between gaf and era for a while...

Whenever I want to make a level headed, well thought out statement... I come here.
It's way too easy to be banned just cause you don't think something is that big of a deal.
Basically ... if you don't go into a thread ready to HATE whoever it is they're talking about that day... it's a ban.

I really only care about the hardware speculation threads over there.

i come here to say what i really want to say. sometimes its level headed, sometimes its the complete opposite and just for laughs. forums used to be fun. what drew me to gaf were these hilarious gifs by hilarious posters like mama robotinik and all those nameless guys who made these iconic gifs we take for granted today. every off topic thread had the potential to get derailed and turn into something legendary. you could have both serious discussions and still have fun without people cancelling each other for trying to bring some levity into these threads.

it's good to see more and more people come back because the moderation here is much more lax and they seem to realize that video games are just supposed to be fun. maybe one day we can go back to the glory days of gaf because that was glorious.

 

[Fake]

Mario Odyssey has a 98 on metacritic. i have no idea wtf the critics were smoking there. my son loves it. hes been playing it non stop for two months straight but then again he's 5 and doesnt know any better.

and yes, i cant even stand to look at Jim. i have no idea why gamers love this shtick of angry gamers.

You know, people are different as so their opinions... You know that right?

What some find annoying some other find funny.

Now, can you believe I neither like Angry Joe and Jim?

 

[Dr. Claus]

The problem with Joe isnt misogyny, it's toxicity. There is an entire industry of angry nerds on youtube shitting on games for views. Dunkey, Jimquisition, and Angry Joe are the worst offenders. They are what I call bandwagon haters. They find games that are easy to make fun of; Mass Effect Andromeda, Metal Gear Survive, Anthem, Death Stranding and go out of their way to misrepresent and amplify the flaws of these games. These guys essentially cancel games. Decent games with great gameplay are cancelled because of some bugs that you might not even encounter in your playthrough. MGS reviews by all these assholes were entirely inaccurate and purposefully misleading. Anthem was buggy, sure and it deserved all the criticism, but anyone who stuck around till the end game like you are supposed to with these games knows there was a lot of potential here. Death Stranding ended up winning more GOTY awards than any game last year and yet you would think its the most divisive game of the gen if you watched Dunkey and Angry Joe videos on the game.

Joe actually defended the BFV trailer so it's not like he has a history of misogyny. In fact, it proves the complete opposite. It's just that he hates this fucking game because its the cool thing to do nowadays. he's just a bandwagon hater and I remember him doing a 180 on his initial BFV views to appease him userbase. I cant trust a man who will sell his soul for views.

The sad thing is that these guys have a platform where they can truly give these games the spotlight they deserve after getting trashed by mainstream critics. Every review of theirs gets 4 million views, 2x as many as IGN reviews on youtube. They can highlight the great things about these flawed games, and give these games a lifeline, but nope they would rather jump on the hate bandwagon for some views. it's pathetic. Dunkey hides behind oh im just a comedian defense whereas Angry Joe just says I dont like the game. Well, i would love to see these guys review games that everyone hated but they loved. Games that you know have flaws but you love them because they scratch that itch that no other game can.

We despise the cancel culture on this board, but lets not start sucking his dick just yet just because he was cancelled by era for a dumb reason. he's a huge part of the problem we have. era was fine when he was shitting on games they hated. there was a thread made with them gleefully laughing at every dumb and misleading point he made. Now when it's a game they like, they turn on him. he is an idiot who hate plays games for views for the sole purpose of canceling certain franchises and thats not someone who is good for the industry.

This is conspiracy level garbage.

Did it ever come to you that they just have different opinions and they play characters for entertainment's sake?

 

[yurinka]

I saw the review -and a second extended video where he expands it with some friends- and all his points are fair and understandable. I don't agree with his score, for me it's somewhere between 8-9, I think I'd buy a 7 for his case, it would be more fair than a 6 in his case because even if the story and the new characters -and everything related to them- have some important issues, the story also has awesome things, and as he mentions the game has a lot of awesome stuff in many areas. But other than that I basically agree 100% of the things he says in the review.

There's no misoginy, bigorty or stuff like that at all in his review. To ban him because of that review is so dumb and weird. These Resetera guys are crazy when deciding why they ban people.

 

[Flame_alchemist]

That reminds of the ban I got awhile back for the mj stuff.

Infraction: I was inferring the the victims lied or some bs for wanting to listen to the other side of the story.

 

[evanft]

Angry Joe sucks, but this is funny.

Also, king neckbeard in the replies with the top tier irony

Apparently AJ also made the unforgivable sin on Resetera of not liking The Last Jedi!

LMAO holy shit imagine actually posting a link to The Quartering unironically.

 

[DragoonKain]

lol there is no such thing as "cancel culture" for video games, nor is there a such thing as "bandwagon haters." What I've found is actually the opposite. People who constantly cry "video game haters" are actually overly sensitive people who can't handle games they like being criticized. First of all, this is all entirely subjective. But there are no such things as "bandwagon haters." There are contrarians, but contrarians tend to always be contrarians. Angry Joe doesn't fit one criteria. Sometimes his reviews stray from the masses, sometimes they don't. Which gives strong credence to them being genuine. It's the reason I respect him, he's not afraid to call it like he sees it.

I find most of his criticisms of games legitimate. I don't think some people can handle differing opinions, it triggers them.

Joe likes to put a comedic spin on his reviews and I like that. I also like when he dunks on a game's flaws. If someone can't handle that, then I think that says way more about them than the reviewer. They're just video games. I love pointing out the flaws in forms of media and mocking it. I watch movies just to make fun of them all the time.

Though I suspect these takes are generally from the younger generation of gamers who aren't mature enough and take game criticism and stuff really seriously. Once people get older they really grow out of that stuff and stop getting triggered over something as trivial as video game reviews.

 

[ZehDon]

LMAO holy shit imagine actually posting a link to The Quartering unironically.

I remember the first time I saw one of those Quartering videos. Quite honestly, I thought it was a parody video - akin to Red Letter Media's "Nerd Crew" videos. The absolute disconnect between the content of the video, the thumbnail, and the reality we all occupy.... oh boy. Absolute bottom of the dumpster-fire garbage.

 

[Nydus]

lol there is no such thing as "cancel culture" for video games, nor is there a such thing as "bandwagon haters." What I've found is actually the opposite. People who constantly cry "video game haters" are actually overly sensitive people who can't handle games they like being criticized. First of all, this is all entirely subjective. But there are no such things as "bandwagon haters." There are contrarians, but contrarians tend to always be contrarians. Angry Joe doesn't fit one criteria. Sometimes his reviews stray from the masses, sometimes they don't. Which gives strong credence to them being genuine. It's the reason I respect him, he's not afraid to call it like he sees it.

I find most of his criticisms of games legitimate. I don't think some people can handle differing opinions, it triggers them.

Joe likes to put a comedic spin on his reviews and I like that. I also like when he dunks on a game's flaws. If someone can't handle that, then I think that says way more about them than the reviewer. They're just video games. I love pointing out the flaws in forms of media and mocking it. I watch movies just to make fun of them all the time.

Though I suspect these takes are generally from the younger generation of gamers who aren't mature enough and take game criticism and stuff really seriously. Once people get older they really grow out of that stuff and stop getting triggered over something as trivial as video game reviews.

Get outta here with ye common sense ´n stuff! But its true, when you get older, you just see it for what it is. "Why you heff to be mad? Is just game!"

 

[Ozzie666]

I learned quickly that the other place has no common sense and cannot think for themselves. It's a very mob mentality, that is also usually wrong. So far left wing, beyond left wing, any opinion that is different or challenging, is called out and banned. Which ironically is what they are fighting against, they are the worst perpetrators of discrimination. They find a cause, jump on, burn it all down, start again. Even if that cause has no evidence or basis.

Joe is hit and miss, but he puts in a good effort, usually funny, Corporate Commander is a classic. Take his reviews as popcorn reviews and don't think to much about them, nothing to get overly upset about. This generation of youth is going to be over entitled, over sensitive and once cancel culture has it's way, be oblivious to history's past mistakes. Doomed to repeat.

I have plenty of friends who reacted like Joe, he was very upset with the 'event' at the beginning. Understandable.

I also appreciate Joe's scoring system, it's pretty down to earth and more realistic, He backs up his thoughts with passion and emotion. At the end of the day it's his opinions. Joe used to get his own thread on the other place, nothing has really changed with his shtick. They clearly tie the banning to the unsubstantiated claims.

Common sense would indicate, perhaps Joe was the victim in these claims. At least common sense should at least allow for that train of thought to be considered and explored (in the real world).

In the end his reviews are better than most but should be taken with a grain of salt for their content.

 

[nush]

maybe one day we can go back to the glory days of gaf because that was glorious.

 

[notseqi]

Mario Odyssey has a 98 on metacritic. i have no idea wtf the critics were smoking there.

[...]

and yes, i cant even stand to look at Jim. i have no idea why gamers love this shtick of angry gamers.

Do you understand why Odyssey has a 98 and a high user rating on metacritic?
Do you understand why MG:S has not?

And why should Youtubers not be allowed to their opinion on matters that are important to them? Stuff that is not important to them stands out by virtue of not being mentioned. The entertainment value offered is through (almost) nothing but their opinion.

When you wake up and call everybody a shill, maybe you are the shill, Mr. Snake avatar. Not much reflection on your part, and the exact same angry gamer you mentioned.

Super Mario Odyssey

New Evolution of Mario Sandbox-Style Gameplay. Mario embarks on a new journey through unknown worlds, running and jumping through huge 3D worlds in the first sandbox-style Mario game since Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine. Set sail between expansive worlds aboard an airship, and perform...

www.metacritic.com

Metal Gear Survive

Metal Gear Survive picks up from the ending of METAL GEAR SOLID V: GROUND ZEROES, to an alternate timeline caused by unexplained wormholes forming in the sky.

www.metacritic.com

 

[Touch fuzZy. get BizZay]

Mario Odyssey is a masterpiece

 

[KormaChameleon]

Remind me to never visit that site and stick with Gaf.

 

[VN1X]

These people aren’t morons in the strict sense of that word. Since the 1960’s:

I recently watched an older talk/presentation he did and while I was on board for most of it but then he suddenly does a 180 and blames all the gays for the downfall of society? Felt more like he was part of the problem at that point.

 

[Orthodox Gaming Dad]

I recently watched an older talk/presentation he did and while I was on board for most of it but then he suddenly does a 180 and blames all the gays for the downfall of society? Felt more like he was part of the problem at that point.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.

 

[SlimySnake]

Do you understand why Odyssey has a 98 and a high user rating on metacritic?
Do you understand why MG:S has not?

And why should Youtubers not be allowed to their opinion on matters that are important to them? Stuff that is not important to them stands out by virtue of not being mentioned. The entertainment value offered is through (almost) nothing but their opinion.

When you wake up and call everybody a shill, maybe you are the shill, Mr. Snake avatar. Not much reflection on your part, and the exact same angry gamer you mentioned.

Super Mario Odyssey

New Evolution of Mario Sandbox-Style Gameplay. Mario embarks on a new journey through unknown worlds, running and jumping through huge 3D worlds in the first sandbox-style Mario game since Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine. Set sail between expansive worlds aboard an airship, and perform...

www.metacritic.com

Metal Gear Survive

Metal Gear Survive picks up from the ending of METAL GEAR SOLID V: GROUND ZEROES, to an alternate timeline caused by unexplained wormholes forming in the sky.

www.metacritic.com

Opinion? they are purposefully misleading their viewers. their reviews get so many things wrong it's pretty much impossible to list them all. Dunkey always hides behind this bs. oh im just a comedian. then he complains about how sony never sends him a copy. angry joe too. pathetic.

Are we no longer allowed to call out reviewers for getting things completely wrong? just last year, gamespot's days gone reviewer complained about white zombies which was explained, complained about ride me like your bike scene which was contextualized and literally said she couldnt relate to a white male protagonist. She is clearly entitled to her opinion and i am entitled to call her an idiot.

And yes you got me with that dig on my avatar. Nevermind the fact that i also brought up Mass Effect Andromeda, Destiny, Anthem and Death Stranding as an example of these bandwagon haters jumping on internet outrage and profiting off of it.

 

[Hunnybun]

Mario Odyssey has a 98 on metacritic. i have no idea wtf the critics were smoking there. my son loves it. hes been playing it non stop for two months straight but then again he's 5 and doesnt know any better.

and yes, i cant even stand to look at Jim. i have no idea why gamers love this shtick of angry gamers.

Jim Sterling is a complete and utter cunt.

 

[Astral Dog]

Mario Odyssey has a 98 on metacritic. i have no idea wtf the critics were smoking there. my son loves it. hes been playing it non stop for two months straight but then again he's 5 and doesnt know any better.

and yes, i cant even stand to look at Jim. i have no idea why gamers love this shtick of angry gamers.

dude Odyssey has basic gameplay and low difficulty but presentation and polish are the very best in the Mario series stop being grumpy, i think your 5 year old kid might have better taste in games

May i suggest Mario x Rabbids next its very cool

 

[notseqi]

Opinion? they are purposefully misleading their viewers. their reviews get so many things wrong it's pretty much impossible to list them all. Dunkey always hides behind this bs. oh im just a comedian. then he complains about how sony never sends him a copy. angry joe too. pathetic.

Are we no longer allowed to call out reviewers for getting things completely wrong? just last year, gamespot's days gone reviewer complained about white zombies which was explained, complained about ride me like your bike scene which was contextualized and literally said she couldnt relate to a white male protagonist. She is clearly entitled to her opinion and i am entitled to call her an idiot.

And yes you got me with that dig on my avatar. Nevermind the fact that i also brought up Mass Effect Andromeda, Destiny, Anthem and Death Stranding as an example of these bandwagon haters jumping on internet outrage and profiting off of it.

You are very much invited to call out anybody you don't like, I would say that the expectations I have from Dunkey and Jim Sterling differ from yours. They are no journalists, at least I have not seem them advertising them being that, and I don't expect them to deliver me a full report on the games pros and cons, that would require a different format altogether. I see them as entertainment with specks of good points.
Now, I of course get that you believe their judgement will turn players away from a particular game and I agree, but I also don't mind. I don't care for the games you mentioned (Destiny, Anthem, ME:Andromeda) but I can see why they would be criticized that harshly for their flaws. If you're happy with those games - cool.

On the other hand, they were panned to some extent for stuff I don't like, and Metacritic reflects those subjective scores and by aggregation turns them into a semi-objective score.
I didn't try to dig on your avatar (or your name for that matter), I just saw that you defended MG:S and took that as an example. It seems that a lot of people did not like the game.

Were there any 'reviews' by Dunkey or Jim you did like? I bet there are.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Joe's review is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life. A guy who spoils the entire game for himself, decides based on those plot bullet points that he hates it and doesn't even want to play it, then proceeds to hate-play it and complain about how it's predictable or the story beats didn't work for him.

Obviously it's a polarizing game regardless, but he didn't even attempt to give it a chance.

I don't get how that translates into a ban, but Era is one of those places where you can get banned just because the mods don't like your face. Assigning significance to it is like trying to figure out why a bird picked your car to shit on today.

 

[NYR]

Joe's review is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life. A guy who spoils the entire game for himself, decides based on those plot bullet points that he hates it and doesn't even want to play it, then proceeds to hate-play it and complain about how it's predictable or the story beats didn't work for him.

Obviously it's a polarizing game regardless, but he didn't even attempt to give it a chance.

Bingo. Well said.

 

[German Hops]

Post of the Year.

 

[Spukc]

Remind me to never visit that site and stick with Gaf.

Never visit that site just stay here

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Remind me to never visit that site and stick with Gaf.

Don't go to Resetera.

 

[Mithos]

Never visit that site just stay here

Don't go to Resetera.

 

[oagboghi2]

Opinion? they are purposefully misleading their viewers. their reviews get so many things wrong it's pretty much impossible to list them all. Dunkey always hides behind this bs. oh im just a comedian. then he complains about how sony never sends him a copy. angry joe too. pathetic.

Are we no longer allowed to call out reviewers for getting things completely wrong? just last year, gamespot's days gone reviewer complained about white zombies which was explained, complained about ride me like your bike scene which was contextualized and literally said she couldnt relate to a white male protagonist. She is clearly entitled to her opinion and i am entitled to call her an idiot.

And yes you got me with that dig on my avatar. Nevermind the fact that i also brought up Mass Effect Andromeda, Destiny, Anthem and Death Stranding as an example of these bandwagon haters jumping on internet outrage and profiting off of it.

All of those games you are crying about are flawed, and no one has an obligation to give them a glowing review.

Bad games get bad reviews, buggy games get reviews which mention their bugs. I don't know what you expect. Should Joe lie in his reviews and not mention problems?

It is not cancel culture to dislike a bad game.

 

[Jon Neu]

A guy who spoils the entire game for himself

According to everybody, the leaks were a very small part of the game, so you can't spoil the entire game for yourself.

decides based on those plot bullet points that he hates it and doesn't even want to play it

You mean that he hated those ultra divisive plot twists that were leaked?

How dare he!

then proceeds to hate-play it and complain about how it's predictable or the story beats didn't work for him.

Obviously it's a polarizing game regardless, but he didn't even attempt to give it a chance.

So he played the entire game and still didn't like it, so that means he didn't give it a chance. But he played the entire game, which is basically the definition of giving it a chance.

Seems to me that you will only claim that he gave it a chance if he said that he liked the game.

 

[SF Kosmo]

So he played the entire game and still didn't like it, so that means he didn't give it a chance. But he played the entire game, which is basically the definition of giving it a chance.

Knowing what happens and having strong opinions on it beforehand fundamentally changes the ability of someone to take you on that journey.

Stories aren't just a series of plot points. Stories are in the telling. They involve a degree of sleight of hand, misdirection, and emotional manipulation that don't work if someone knows what you're doing. This is why they call them spoilers.

Seems to me that you will only claim that he gave it a chance if he said that he liked the game.

Except I already said I think there's a lot of legit reasons why someone wouldn't like this game. I said Angry Joe in particular is an idiot because I watched the excruciating long review of him blatantly being an idiot.

 

[kevm3]

Why do people even sign up for accounts there when they know what the moderation is like? If you don't have 'acceptable' opinions, don't even bother signing up because you won't be posting there for long.

 

[Exede]

Why do people even sign up for accounts there when they know what the moderation is like? If you don't have 'acceptable' opinions, don't even bother signing up because you won't be posting there for long.

I was mostly there for the Nintendo Direct hype. Now i'm hyping it here!

 

[Shifty1897]

dude Odyssey has basic gameplay and low difficulty

Did you try the post game levels? They're freaking hard.

 

[Azurro]

Except I already said I think there's a lot of legit reasons why someone wouldn't like this game. I said Angry Joe in particular is an idiot because I watched the excruciating long review of him blatantly being an idiot.

All of his complaints were fair and level headed. How was he being an idiot? And how does that justify him getting banned? He didn't like the game, get over it. Lots of people disliked it, it's not like it's rare.

 

[Astral Dog]

Did you try the post game levels? They're freaking hard.

Some of them, but i was pretty tired of collecting moons , still the mario 64 world was cool

 

[SlimySnake]

All of those games you are crying about are flawed, and no one has an obligation to give them a glowing review.

Bad games get bad reviews, buggy games get reviews which mention their bugs. I don't know what you expect. Should Joe lie in his reviews and not mention problems?

It is not cancel culture to dislike a bad game.

Joe lied in his reviews and mentioned problems that were not issues. he purposefully mislead viewers. i dont know how else to say this. Dunkey does the same. Death Stranding, Anthem, MGS and Andromeda are not bad games.

Ask 10 people who actually played the game and most will tell you they are not bad games. I dont expect everyone to like a game i like, but i expect critics to be honest about the product they are reviewing.

 

[SF Kosmo]

All of his complaints were fair and level headed. How was he being an idiot? And how does that justify him getting banned? He didn't like the game, get over it. Lots of people disliked it, it's not like it's rare.

Level headed? You must be kidding. They were not, and we know they were not because he actually shows clips of him playing the game. It was a lot of really juvenile yelling at the screen DURING the moment, heckling, and acting like a drunk frat boy, not actually watching and taking anything in.

If I sit around doing bong hits with my boys and playing MST3K yelling at the screen I can make Citizen Kane out to be a bad movie but it doesn't mean I'm going to have anything interesting to say about it.

 

[Evil Calvin]

Can ERA really be called a forum at this point?

Yep. No discussion allowed!!

I was banned when discussing the comments from Brigit Bardot (50's bombshell) when she flat out came out and said that actresses in the 50's and 60's explicitly used their sexuality to get ahead in the business, including herself (nowdays that could NEVER happen of course). They banned me for trivializing the me-too movement!

 

[Amiga]

Level headed? You must be kidding. They were not, and we know they were not because he actually shows clips of him playing the game. It was a lot of really juvenile yelling at the screen DURING the moment, heckling, and acting like a drunk frat boy, not actually watching and taking anything in.

If I sit around doing bong hits with my boys and playing MST3K yelling at the screen I can make Citizen Kane out to be a bad movie but it doesn't mean I'm going to have anything interesting to say about it.

The channel is called Angry Joe, the segment is called Angry reviews. If his exaggerated reactions didn't resonate with viewers he wouldn't get millions of followers.

You should be more upset with media that hide their inclination. Who apply a hidden grade of ideological conformity. IMOO nobody should be upset at all, just develop the ability to see through personal bias.

 

[tkscz]

What the hell is even this thread? It's pretty much come down to "Do you agree with Angry Joe's opinion on Last of Us II?"

Sense when did we get to a point where someone can or can't like a video game? He didn't like it, big fucking woop.

I thought the point of the thread was pointing out how ridiculous REEEEE was being for banning him for disliking the game, but there are people in this very thread acting the same way.

 

[bishopcruz]

According to everybody, the leaks were a very small part of the game, so you can't spoil the entire game for yourself.



You mean that he hated those ultra divisive plot twists that were leaked?

How dare he!




So he played the entire game and still didn't like it, so that means he didn't give it a chance. But he played the entire game, which is basically the definition of giving it a chance.

Seems to me that you will only claim that he gave it a chance if he said that he liked the game.

Hell, I got spoiled despite my best stamps, thought it sounded stupid, but wasn't going to bitch without playing the game, played it. Some of the shit I thought I would hate was the strongest part of the game, some of the shit I thought I would love I hated as the execution was garbage, that's why you play the damn thing. But no one who absolutely loved TLoU1 went in to TLoU2 hoping to hate it. Even if you didn't like the spoilers you sat there HOPING they would be justified, and they weren't. Pretty much the same thing with Joe.

And I do love how I keep hearing how he got so much shit wrong, but no one ever really says what.

 

[sobaka770]

Hell, I got spoiled despite my best stamps, thought it sounded stupid, but wasn't going to bitch without playing the game, played it. Some of the shit I thought I would hate was the strongest part of the game, some of the shit I thought I would love I hated as the execution was garbage, that's why you play the damn thing. But no one who absolutely loved TLoU1 went in to TLoU2 hoping to hate it. Even if you didn't like the spoilers you sat there HOPING they would be justified, and they weren't. Pretty much the same thing with Joe.

And I do love how I keep hearing how he got so much shit wrong, but no one ever really says what.

Of course we did. He's biased on this game and his problems with the game result him nitpicking things that can go both ways and putting a negative spin on them. His main and probably only actual problem is that he was unable to move past Joel's death. He read the leaked plot point early, he was pissed, made a dumb video and when it happened in game he was doubly pissed. Everything else is just nitpicking and not actual good review.

E.g. oel telling Abby his name, going to their hideout etc. is bad writing. It's not, it's been explained a 100 times how that whole sequence makes sense between a zombie horde, Tommy, Joel and Abby. In fact pretty much all instances of "bad writing" have been explained a 100 times on this forum and (gasp!) in game if he would actually pay attention and not whine about Joel and how he doesn't care about anyone in this story any more. And then there's stupid shit he was toalking on stream like Fireflies were never meant to make the cure so Joel is a hero (conjecture and irrelevant to plot and character motivations btw), there is no cure for fungal infections anyway(wasn't a problem in TLOU1 and THIS GAME IS FICTION!), not killing people cause they are women and not men.

He basically gave 0 chances to the game after 2 hours, he made a stupid video with leaks early on, this particular review is hot garbage. His opinion could be summarised in 2 minutes: I hoped that sequel to TLOU would be a safe adventure and more Ellie/Joel shenanigans until maybe at the end Joel dies and we feel bad. I didn't get what I wanted in my headcanon and I did't give this story any chance, not even tried to empathise with characters or follow the plot so every nitpick which applies to TLOU1 I will apply to TLOU2 to justify how bad it is. It's emotional hijacking pure and simple.

 

[oagboghi2]

Level headed? You must be kidding. They were not, and we know they were not because he actually shows clips of him playing the game. It was a lot of really juvenile yelling at the screen DURING the moment, heckling, and acting like a drunk frat boy, not actually watching and taking anything in.

If I sit around doing bong hits with my boys and playing MST3K yelling at the screen I can make Citizen Kane out to be a bad movie but it doesn't mean I'm going to have anything interesting to say about it.

This is laughable. It's a videogame. Not a opera or symphony. I'm sorry but the game isn't so deep that you can't tell jokes.

Of course we did. He's biased on this game and his problems with the game result him nitpicking things that can go both ways and putting a negative spin on them. His main and probably only actual problem is that he was unable to move past Joel's death. He read the leaked plot point early, he was pissed, made a dumb video and when it happened in game he was doubly pissed. Everything else is just nitpicking and not actual good review.

E.g. oel telling Abby his name, going to their hideout etc. is bad writing. It's not, it's been explained a 100 times how that whole sequence makes sense between a zombie horde, Tommy, Joel and Abby. In fact pretty much all instances of "bad writing" have been explained a 100 times on this forum and (gasp!) in game if he would actually pay attention and not whine about Joel and how he doesn't care about anyone in this story any more. And then there's stupid shit he was toalking on stream like Fireflies were never meant to make the cure so Joel is a hero (conjecture and irrelevant to plot and character motivations btw), there is no cure for fungal infections anyway(wasn't a problem in TLOU1 and THIS GAME IS FICTION!), not killing people cause they are women and not men.

He basically gave 0 chances to the game after 2 hours, he made a stupid video with leaks early on, this particular review is hot garbage. His opinion could be summarised in 2 minutes: I hoped that sequel to TLOU would be a safe adventure and more Ellie/Joel shenanigans until maybe at the end Joel dies and we feel bad. I didn't get what I wanted in my headcanon and I did't give this story any chance, not even tried to empathise with characters or follow the plot so every nitpick which applies to TLOU1 I will apply to TLOU2 to justify how bad it is. It's emotional hijacking pure and simple.

OMG the whining and crying from TLOU2 fanboys is something else.

 

[oagboghi2]

Joe lied in his reviews and mentioned problems that were not issues. he purposefully mislead viewers. i dont know how else to say this. Dunkey does the same. Death Stranding, Anthem, MGS and Andromeda are not bad games.

Ask 10 people who actually played the game and most will tell you they are not bad games. I dont expect everyone to like a game i like, but i expect critics to be honest about the product they are reviewing.

What were the lies in the anthem review, or the MGS review. Those video are still up. Lets go through them. I felt like those reviews were more than fair.

It doesn't matter what 10 random people think. They don't own his channel.

 

[SF Kosmo]

This is laughable. It's a videogame. Not a opera or symphony. I'm sorry but the game isn't so deep that you can't tell jokes.

It's a pretty grim, serious drama of a video game with a reputation for its emotional heft. If you want to play that kind of game like it's Smash Bros, be my guest, but don't act indignant when you have a bad time with it.

I mean if he was moved by it and cried at the end (like the people who liked the game), you could lecture me about how it's fine to play it like that and not blunt its impact, but he didn't, he had a bad time. And more importantly, ANYONE who played it like that would have a bad time. He did it wrong. He's an idiot.

 

[oagboghi2]

It's a pretty grim, serious drama of a video game with a reputation for its emotional heft. You want to play that kind of game like it's Smash Bros, be my guest, but don't act indignant when you have a bad time with it.

I mean if he was moved by it and cried at the end (like the people who liked the game), you could lecture me about how it's fine to play it like that and he can still have the same experience, but he didn't, he had a bad time. He did it wrong. He's an idiot.

How dare Joe not treat this videogame with the gravitas it deserves. I mean, this game is clearly the most important thing in the world.

He didn't cry at the end so he did it wrong. Spoken like a true fanboy.

You people don't want honest reviews. You clearly can't handle them. What you want is for others to fellate your ego and validate your feelings. Joe didn't pander to you. Good for Joe

 

[SF Kosmo]

How dare Joe not treat this videogame with the gravitas it deserves. I mean, this game is clearly the most important thing in the world.

Look, you can say that this game isn't compatible with what you want out of a game-playing experience, and that's totally fair, but you have to own that. It's not supposed to be a goofy shooter to play with your bros. It's ridiculous to review a game like this in the way that he has.

You people don't want honest reviews. You clearly can't handle them. What you want is for others to fellate your ego and validate your feelings. Joe didn't pander to you. Good for Joe

It isn't about honesty, it's about understanding the intent of the work. The fact is, it's a serious, depressing, upsetting game; those are the feelings the game wants you to have. If you're not allowing yourself to feel those things, then there's no reason to play this game.

If I put up a two-hour review of Tetris about how the story sucks and I couldn't get past level 3 because I was too drunk, I might be honest about my experience but I wouldn't expect to be taken seriously.

 

[oagboghi2]

Look, you can say that this game isn't compatible with what you want out of a game-playing experience, and that's totally fair, but you have to own that. It's not supposed to be a goofy shooter to play with your bros. It's ridiculous to review a game like this in the way that he has.

Joe never said it was a goofy shooter, and he never treated it that way

It isn't about honesty, it's about understanding the intent of the work. If I put up a two hour review of Tetris about how the story sucks and I couldn't get past level 3 because I was too drunk, I might be honest about my experience but I wouldn't expect to be taken seriously.

This is a ridiculous example. Joe took it seriously, and he didn't like it. Your evidence that he didn't take it seriously is what, he didn't cry enough for you at the end?

 

[SF Kosmo]

This is a ridiculous example. Joe took it seriously, and he didn't like it. Your evidence that he didn't take it seriously is what, he didn't cry enough for you at the end?

I don't think that anyone doing what Joe did could possibly have the kind of experience the devs intended their players to have. It's a game designed to make you feel sad, angry, worried, to challenge your assumptions, and to surprise. I don't think it's possible for a game to do any of those things for someone who has spoiled the game for themselves and then performance-plays it live with a bunch of friends, hamming up his bullshit to get a reaction.

There is just no universe in which THIS story could land for someone who is doing that.

I am not a fanboy of this game, either, I had mixed feelings about it, although I was generally impressed by the craftsmanship of it. But Joe's review comes off like some Angry Video Game Nerd shit, it's a work, it's not good criticism, it's just entertainment for haters.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I don't think that anyone doing what Joe did could possibly have the kind of experience the devs intended their players to have. It's a game designed to make you feel sad, angry, worried, to challenge your assumptions, and to surprise. I don't think it's possible for a game to do any of those things for someone who has spoiled the game for themselves and then performance-plays it live with a bunch of friends, hamming up his bullshit to get a reaction.

There is just no universe in which THIS story could land for someone who is doing that.

I am not a fanboy of this game, either, I had mixed feelings about it, although I was generally impressed by the craftsmanship of it. But Joe's review comes off like some Angry Video Game Nerd shit, it's a work, it's not good criticism, it's just entertainment for haters.

The shit? It is absolutely possible to be surprised, shocked, happy, sad, in abject horror, and more even if you are spoiled by something. I was spoiled by Darth Vader being Luke's father and Aerith's death in FF7, but both scenes still resonated and made me *feel* something because they were that well done (and that is just naming the two most common examples in pop culture - there are hundreds more).

Just come out with it and be honest with yourself. You don't like Joe's review because he didn't praise the game like you wanted.