diffusionx
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It's not confusing. The Series X replaces the One X. The Series S/Lockhart replaces the One S.
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MS officially discontinues Xbox One X and XB1 all digital
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It's not confusing. The Series X replaces the One X. The Series S/Lockhart replaces the One S.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
The difference being that the WiiU and PSVita had no true successors. The Switch couldn't play WiiU games, and the Vita was replaced with nothing.
This is more like Microsoft discontinuing the Surface 3 before the Surface 4 hits shelves. Or Apple discontinuing the iPhone 6 before they made the iPhone 7.
Yams
Member
Why don't you go back and read the other 3 pages of thread. Many people have addressed why this isn't true. If the Xbox S didn't exist and the new consoles didn't put a heavy emphasis on backward compatibility, then maybe you'd have a case. What exactly are customers losing with the cancellation of the X?
Microsoft made it clear early on that they were done with console generations. They can only do that by creating new consoles that support old games and by ensuring that their new games can be played on older consoles for the first couple years.
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Agent X
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Correct.
Yes, and that's fine. As I said in this post yesterday, that's actually "normal" for almost every major video game console in history where a successor system is announced.
The complaints were not about their intent to support the old system, but rather the lack of exclusive "next-generation" games to fully take advantage of the new system's capabilities.
How do you know? Historically speaking:
- Sony continued to support PS1 after PS2 was released.
- Sony continued to support PS2 after PS3 was released.
- Sony continued to support PSP after PS Vita was released.
- Sony continued to support PS3 after PS4 was released.
The only major Sony system that Sony unceremoniously phased out was PS Vita, since they decided to exit the portable video game sector without a successor system.
I expect (again, based on historical context) that after PS5 is released, Sony will still release some games for PS4. These will be mostly budget or downloadable games, children's games, or annual sports updates such as MLB The Show. Their big-budget AAA blockbusters are currently go to PS5, because it's "all hands on deck" for next-generation software when launching a new system (as it should be).
I agree. Much like Microsoft's current announced strategy, Sony will almost certainly phase out PS4 Pro, and keep the base PS4 on the market as the go-to system for casual and budget-minded gamers.
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Yoshi
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Yes, you are right. In particular, I do not think the Xbox One X serves any purpose anymore with Xbox Series X, if everything runs at least as well on XSX as it did on XOX. A specifically high end console for Xbox One games that needs to cost almost as much as the next gen console that can serve this purpose all well, too, is a system without a target demographic.
Son_of_Zardoz
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Guys, I'm starting to get really worried--he looks mad.
Nikana
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
Or it could be they produced enough stock to get by and the series s will come in that cheap that the X wouldn’t be appealing to customers anymore
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Any chance stores restock one last time? They're all sold out right now.
McHuj
Member
I can't believe that people have turned this into an issue. There's zero point in selling X1X and X1S after both XSX ans XSS launch this year. Lockhart seems to be designed in such a cost effective way that it can directly replace the X1S. So why buy a X1S when you can buy a lockhart? And given that they've stated that most games will be cross-gen for the next several years, existing X1 owners have nothing to worry about with software support.
I expect Sony to sell the PS4 for a while longer, however, it wouldn't surprise me if the they dropped the Pro model next year.
I expect Sony to sell the PS4 for a while longer, however, it wouldn't surprise me if the they dropped the Pro model next year.
The Alien
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Well, considering that MS said their 1st party titles will be available on current gen hardware 1-2 years after SERIES X launch, I'd say it's an even bleaker outlook for PS4.
Agent X
Member
This makes sense, for the long term.
For the short term (and this depends on how they position Lockhart with pricing and capabilities), I can envision at least a temporary three-tier situation:
- The base Xbox One S serves the low end of the market.
- The Xbox Series X serves the high end of the market.
- Lockhart occupies a middle tier, replacing (for now) the Xbox One X.
As time progresses, and the Xbox One S is phased out, Lockhart moves down into its place as the entry-level system.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Did that need software written specifically for it? That would also be wrong if you're talking about something being changed in an SKU.I think the crown goes to the PS3 60GB version.
Who is going to bother with Xbox One X enhanced games now when they weren't even bothering before it was discontinued?
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DavidGzz
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With BC and Game Pass eventually offering next gen only games, selling the consoles that will not run those games in two years when there will be a sku that does at the same price would be anti-consumer. This is needed. This isn't a PS2 situation.
This is like PS3 about to come out for the same price with full PS2 backwards compatibility. Does it make sense now?
This is like PS3 about to come out for the same price with full PS2 backwards compatibility. Does it make sense now?
Nikana
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Sw0pDiller
Member
Who is their right mind would have bought a Xbox one x anyway in these last year? An allmost two year game drought plus series x around the corner made this thing a though sell. Plus, it isn't a ps4
McCheese
Member
But the PS4 can have its viking funeral having had it's fair share of great exclusives, the One X never really lived upto its original promise, I can only really think of Forza and Gears that had substantial One X work put in, and now they've discontinued the system before Halo even released, which is the game they demoed when first announcing it. just seems short sighted.
Sure they had the most powerful console!!! for a short while, but didn't really do anything meaningful with it and now third party support will start drying up, and it's no longer going to be the best console for first party.
It wasn't a cheap console either so feel bad for folks who picked it up for the long haul
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Hawking Radiation
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WTF. Was going to pick one up before Series X launches.
Oh well, onto Lockhart then.
Oh well, onto Lockhart then.
I don't see Sony dropping the Pro model. I actually see them dropping base PS4 and Pro becoming the new base model (with a drop in price of course).
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bishopcruz
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But the ecosystem essentially died with the console, as back compat for ps2 was dead in a couple of years anyway. And there was no back compat at all for Sony this time around. It looks like MS is continuing to try and move forward to a phone model here, I love my XboneX but likely they won't be able to cut the costs on it enough to make it viable in the market against the vastly more powerful Series X, and since the SeX will play all the last gen games, but better it's easier to push people towards next gen while not making it seem like a forced update. Course it could blow up in their face, I just hope it doesn't as there isn't a company I love more than Sony when it has to put up an honest fight, and no company I hate more than Sony when they run shit unopposed.
Coulomb_Barrier
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What? MS is planning to support Xbox One with next gen exclusives for 2 years so of course the Xbox One X can run those games. From the rumours, Series S is 4TF, which iirc is about 6TF GCN, so the same theoretical computational power as the discontinued One X but with faster CPU and RAM (and SSD). So you are wrong about it's GPU being 'significantly' more capable going off the rumours.
Codes 208
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discontinuing the two least selling Models isn’t the same as forcing you to upgrade to the next system. The xbox one s still exists and is still being supported.We don't believe you should have to upgrade to a new console to play the latest games......
Opps, we're sold out of all the old consoles....you can still buy the new console to play the latest games
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the_master
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They need to make more Xsexs, would be counterproducrive to be assembling all the versions.
Besides, new xonsole will be compatible with all the games so I don't see why this would ever be a problem
Besides, new xonsole will be compatible with all the games so I don't see why this would ever be a problem
HaveButOneLife
Banned
Just the all digital? Makes me laugh, they shouldn't even exist to begin with. Disc drive consoles allow both options so why play into any chance of an all digital future by flooding the market in return?
What good does a 4k Blu Ray drive do? It's a video game console.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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mcjmetroid
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Where was that thread with the bet that guy did where he said there was no Lockhart? Has he been shamed yet ?
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
There is no Xbox 'Series S'
You guys just refuse to let go of this Series S thing ... :messenger_tears_of_joy: I honest don't get the excitement around a low end "next gen console" .... but that Series X has my full attention Who said we were excited about it?
mcjmetroid
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Hahaha. Oh man. Can smell that burn 5 threads awayThere is no Xbox 'Series S'
You guys just refuse to let go of this Series S thing ... :messenger_tears_of_joy: I honest don't get the excitement around a low end "next gen console" .... but that Series X has my full attention Who said we were excited about it?www.neogaf.com
Codes 208
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Just occurred to me this is a pretty smart move to remove the one x from stores when the series x launches.
Excuse my quick and dirty photoshop
you can’t be confused what’s different between the one x and series x when the one x isn’t even available.
thelastword
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Wow, XBONEX launched in November 2017, that was almost 2018. XBOX SAD released in May of 2019. There was so much hype generated by MS and it's fans for both consoles and they are done so early?.......Well tbf, OG XBOX folded after 4 years, 360 tapered out around 2009 when they were mostly shooting Kinect releases and now the two most recent XBONE systems are biting the dust. If this is one thing history tells us about MS is that their hardware platforms don't have the longevity other consoles do, support for their consoles comes way too soon and end quite abrubtly....
I got 2 of them and they're hands down the best consoles ever made. One is the recently released CP2077 edition a thing of beauty wich sold 45K in a day because it was sold out everywhere the day after. Just look at that controller.
So good they're discontinued.
dorkimoe
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Its an entertainment device, it was billed as that for awhile. People still like to buy discs, i bet you were excited when the ps3 had blu ray
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DavidGzz
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Seems that support will continue until the end of 2022. Support for PS4 ends this Holiday with gamers unable to play the Spiderman DLC unless they buy a $500 upgrade.
levyjl1988
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Excuse my quick and dirty photoshop
Well, remember if the parents screw up not getting their kid an Xbox One Series X and instead an Xbox One S they would still be able to play the games, remember none of the games would be exclusive for the console for 1-2 years was it.
And any kid asking for the latest console gift from their mom won't notice and care for the graphics anyways.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Because it will only get costlier for MS to continue manufacturing technologies on those older processes. Why? Firstly because AMD are no longer on 28nm processes that the XBO family APUs are manufactured on. Also, costs for GDDR5 memory increase since it's being phased out.
Yes MS could migrate that functionality to newer processes and re-engineer the systems to consolidate the tech into a smaller form factor that's also more price-efficient to manufacture...but they're already kind of doing that with the Series S. Did you forget it's backwards-compatible with Xbox One titles?
So really it's concern over nothing; anyone who wanted an XBO or even an X by now, would have purchased them. If they still want one console manufacturers tend to produce enough units ahead of time to put out in the supply chain up to a point, MS aren't idiots so I'd suspect they've done this as well.
What I find also interesting here is that all of the factors of costs consolidation affect Sony and PS4 as well; the fact they've just come out and said PS5 production numbers are increasing to 10 million, probably might signal they're scaling down PS4 production as well, or even cutting that down altogether. After all they're the ones who have been more adamant on transitioning people quickly between generations.
Yet where is the same concern there? Why is it scaling down production of the older systems seen only as bad when Microsoft does it, when the latest news in PS5 production increases (plus knowing that system will also be backwards-compatible with at least a big chunk of PS4 games) would indicate to most people they are probably also scaling down or ending production of their current-gen system too?
And especially knowing MS is positioning Series S as the XBO/One X replacement and, again, it's backwards-compatible with all XBO games, and all of the concern (or in some cases, "concern") is honestly worth absolutely nothing.
Let's be honest here; you were just fishing for an excuse and came across one. Because this is a pretty ridiculous reason to drop out of an ecosystem.
NOBODY honestly cared about Kinect and MS forcing it with XBO was not only one of the reasons that system had an image problem early on, but also contributed to its lower-than-expected specs in certain areas since Kinect ate up a good deal of the BOM (not to mention focus away from core gaming). When they removed Kinect from XBO, nearly everyone celebrated.
You're acting like One S, One SAD and One X are being removed and not only is there no replacement (there is: Series S), but they're not supporting them with 1st-party content either (they are; they literally just said that today were you asleep or something?).
So not a single one of your "concerns" are valid. It's like I said earlier this reads like you were fishing for an excuse to leave and strung together a flimsy reason to do so. I'm almost shocked at the ignorance here. It's worst with the bad faith folks who would've tried finding a way to say MS were doing bad if they out of nowhere announced they were doing no cross-gen support for XBO. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The funniest part is that you're probably considering hopping over to Sony, yet they have literally stated they are done with 1st party support on PS4 after this year. Ghosts of Tsushima is their final massive PS4 1st party game, anything else after this will be small stuff. So they're the ones hopping off current-gen extremely early, yet somehow MS has messed up ending manufacture of One S and One X even though they have Series S to replace them and it'll be backwards-compatible with XBO titles, and they're still supporting XBO with cross-gen games for a decent bit unlike Sony with PS4.
Yeah...you people are basically drinking dumborade and functioning in autopilot mode. A sad day for the forum.
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