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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Freeman

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When Kena looks more next gen than Halo


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Sony should be knocking on the door of whoever made this game to buy them if it really looks like this. Then put money on the sequel to make a BoTW/Pokemon clone. That's some next level Pixar shit.
 
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waxer

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Why are they discussing the trailer to outer worlds and arguing whether will look better on sx. Arnt these supposed to be what to expect.
 
For me they are not credible anymore. From XOX they were biased toward MS, not bashing halo only proved it. They were nitpicking Horizon and now Halo is ok. Just wtf. Unsubbed.

Edit : John is smart guy i like him.

John is by far the most respected guy at DF. The phony neutrality by Leadbetter and Dictator is annoying.

And wow, one hour analysis? Who's really going to watch the whole thing? Like is anyone dying to know their analysis on Tetris Effect? lol.
 

THE:MILKMAN

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John Rich is clearly frustrated and disappointed about the lack details about the hardware/OS/user experience plus the nothing running on XSX hardware and even Alex wasn't too impressed either.

I don't know if anyone else feels the same, but these big outlets have to really control themselves to not give their true thoughts for fear of burning bridges.

ETA: I also have to mention I loved John flexing on Alex at points! :messenger_beaming:
 
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zaitsu

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John Rich is clearly frustrated and disappointed about the lack details about the hardware/OS/user experience plus the nothing running on XSX hardware and even Alex wasn't too impressed either.

I don't know if anyone else feels the same, but these big outlets have to really control themselves to not give their true thoughts for fear of burning bridges.

ETA: I also have to mention I loved John flexing on Alex at points! :messenger_beaming:
Alex shouldn't even been there. He is hard to watch and listen.
If something is sony related is bad, yet even shit from MS looks fine to him.
Being obviously biased toward MS wont do them any good in terms of being credible. I see that halo looks bad, and Alex cant prove me wrong because ive seen it with my own eyes. I also see how quiet it is on green side here and on my country games sites. Green dudes are trying to sleepover this harsh wakeup that 12 tf was wasted to upscale x360 game.
 
I was thinking that BGs BGs were more and more right, and that according to you put the SX at home the disappointment would be enormous.

by closing what is from stopping.

BGs BGs has been vindicated. He was saying from the start that theoretical tflops and actual performance are too different things altogether. Efficiency is key. He made perfect sense and I hope he posts again.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Damn fuck I don't know if this is racist but this is stright out Prince of Persia, so cool.

:lollipop_tears_of_joy: It's not racist at all, Prince of Persia franchise is one of the most beloved franchises of all time. It's been my favorite game back in the day, the story telling of that female voice while you're playing was ahead of its time and gives 1001 nights vibes.

I would love a new successor instead of slapping Assassin's Creed on every irrelevant game, although loved most of them personally especially AC Odyssey.
 

THE:MILKMAN

Member
Alex shouldn't even been there. He is hard to watch and listen.
If something is sony related is bad, yet even shit from MS looks fine to him.
Being obviously biased toward MS wont do them any good in terms of being credible. I see that halo looks bad, and Alex cant prove me wrong because ive seen it with my own eyes. I also see how quiet it is on green side here and on my country games sites. Green dudes are trying to sleepover this harsh wakeup that 12 tf was wasted to upscale x360 game.

I mean it can be annoying but it is his opinions I guess. As long as Rich and John pull him up on things when he clearly goes too far.
 
Just a few minutes in and already a hilarious exchange between John and Alex:

John: Halo just didn’t look very good compared to Sony first-party
Alex: But-but Sony First-party is 30 FPS
John: Doom Eternal looked better than this
Alex: Ya...

Richard: It's a flat presentation
John: You're completely right. It's not a bad looking game, I like where they're going with it, but the stigma and trying to compete with Sony first party studios...that's a tall order and those games are known for pushing visual boundaries....
Alex: *cuts of John* - At 30FPS though
John: It doesn't matter
Alex: Really?
John: The reason it doesn't matter is because...
Alex: *cuts of John again* Really?!? I think it does.

Most awkward DF moment ever lol. I wonder if Alex will low key trash DF from the discord channel.
 

zaitsu

Banned
Richard: It's a flat presentation
John: You're completely right. It's not a bad looking game, I like where they're going with it, but the stigma and trying to compete with Sony first party studios...that's a tall order and those games are known for pushing visual boundaries....
Alex: *cuts of John* - At 30FPS though
John: It doesn't matter
Alex: Really?
John: The reason it doesn't matter is because...
Alex: *cuts of John again* Really?!? I think it does.

Most awkward DF moment ever lol. I wonder if Alex will low key trash DF from the discord channel.
I would take worst Sony exclusive at 30 fps over that 60fps sustained disappointment.

If MS games gonna look like that at 60 fps or even worse at 120 fp on XSX, i dont want to know how it will look like on xbone.
 

GermanZepp

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@Dan_of_Rivia I agree. The podcast and the videos are enjoyable. He has a preference for playstation so he's going to be quoted a lot in here. But from the moment I read that he might "cross & share" information with that redtech guy, (this a few months ago now a believe) I started to take everything that he says less seriously and with a huge grain of salt.
 
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Fordino

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John Rich is clearly frustrated and disappointed about the lack details about the hardware/OS/user experience plus the nothing running on XSX hardware and even Alex wasn't too impressed either.

I don't know if anyone else feels the same, but these big outlets have to really control themselves to not give their true thoughts for fear of burning bridges.

ETA: I also have to mention I loved John flexing on Alex at points! :messenger_beaming:
Yeah, they were all frustrated, at one point Richard says ‘stop it, make it stop!’ after another ‘pointless‘ CGI trailer.

In his final thoughts Alex also says he’s ‘disappointed with the visual look of...Halo Infinite’ and ‘very disappointed’ with the use of CGI assets.
 

THE:MILKMAN

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Yeah, they were all frustrated, at one point Richard says ‘stop it, make it stop!’ after another ‘pointless‘ CGI trailer.

In his final thoughts Alex also says he’s ‘disappointed with the visual look of...Halo Infinite’ and ‘very disappointed’ with the use of CGI assets.

It makes you wonder what Microsoft's thinking is. They have had years to set things up for the new gen yet now just a few months from launch they can't even confirm anything is running on the hardware never mind other details per what John described and outside a poor looking cross-gen Halo, they don't seem have anything FP AAA for the first year at least? Hope that is wrong for multiple reasons but it really does seem like they have been far too preoccupied with hardware power and gamepass.

Can't believe that right now I'm left wondering how much Sony might take the piss after this showing....
 

Gamerguy84

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Just watched the first half of the video, well listened to it through car speakers and I didnt feel they covered up too much.

Didnt hear anything outside of normal and they afmitted they expected more and questioned why it wasnt running on an X. John who is usually cool even called PS 1st party top tier.

So wasnt bad even though I thought it would be.
 
John Linneman is the only dude onboard Digital Foundry that I have some reverence for.

John: They're trying to compete with the Sony first party studios [...] and those games are known for pushing visual boundaries
Alex: At 30 fps tho, right 🤡
John: It doesn't matter
ALex: Really? 🤡
John: The reason I think it doesn't matter is-
Alex: REALLY? I think it does 🤡
John: ....this is selling to the audience that is looking for the glamour, it's about the message

I am sick and tired of the asinine acceptance that higher resolutions or fps automatically boost visual quality in terms of aesthetics and asset richness. That kind of moronic thinking must be the dream for developers: "HUH you mean you don't MIND the poor art direction, flatness, lack of detail and shitty lighting if we just keep it at 4K/60 fps???? Why hot diggity that's fine by us :messenger_hushed:"

 
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DeepSpace5D

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Richard: It's a flat presentation
John: You're completely right. It's not a bad looking game, I like where they're going with it, but the stigma and trying to compete with Sony first party studios...that's a tall order and those games are known for pushing visual boundaries....
Alex: *cuts of John* - At 30FPS though
John: It doesn't matter
Alex: Really?
John: The reason it doesn't matter is because...
Alex: *cuts of John again* Really?!? I think it does.

Most awkward DF moment ever lol. I wonder if Alex will low key trash DF from the discord channel.
Ya, no kidding. That was such an awkward exchange. As soon as John made that criticism you can feel how triggered and defensive Alex got by cutting him off like that. It’s pretty cringe and transparent if you ask me.
 

zaitsu

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John Linneman is the only dude onboard Digital Foundry that I have some reverence for.

John: They're trying to compete with the Sony first party studios [...] and those games are known for pushing visual boundaries
Alex: At 30 fps tho, right 🤡
John: It doesn't matter
ALex: Really? 🤡
John: The reason I think it doesn't matter is-
Alex: REALLY? I think it does 🤡
John: ....this is selling to the audience that is looking for the glamour, it's about the message

I am sick and tired of the asinine acceptance that higher resolutions or fps automatically boost visual quality in terms of aesthetics and asset richness. That kind of moronic thinking must be the dream for developers: "HUH you mean you don't MIND the poor art direction, flatness, lack of detail and shitty lighting if we just keep it at 4K/60 fps???? Why hot diggity that's fine by us :messenger_hushed:"



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Gamernyc78

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Ya, no kidding. That was such an awkward exchange. As soon as John made that criticism you can feel how triggered and defensive Alex got by cutting him off like that. It’s pretty cringe and transparent if you ask me.

but Spiderman will be 4k 60fps and looks better. Even at 60fps tht Halo game just didnt look good next gen. Most of what Xbox showed was meh. Thy can blame the pandemic, 60fps, etc but we know the real deal.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Dude, seriously, you look BAD A$$ in that wedding photo!

Man, I would LOVE to wear gear and clothing like that...but here in "The Land of the Free" I'd be lynched for 'appropriating' your culture! :messenger_winking_tongue:

Thanks, mate! If you ever step a foot here you'll have your Omani coseplay, and maybe bring you to an Omani wedding that might be boring for you as it's all seperated (men/women) but some folklore stuff you might dig.

Here is what we call "Habbout هبوت" which is a tribal parade and poets are said either showing the pride of the tribe or supporting the Sultan here, those are my tribe, or lots say just a part of around ~5,500 total in the city:



Here is one of the most famous dances "Bar'ah برعة":



And this one is mostly done by the tribe and sub-tribe shiekhs :messenger_winking_tongue:

This was about the national day



Females have their own as well but this one is one of the extinct folklore dances that used to be done between relatives to encourage marriage from the same tribe members, now it's more celebrated as a traditional folklore dance by folklore bands (Rabboubah ربّوبة):



This one in 1997 during the national day



There are more than/around 50 folklore music/dances in the region of Dhofar, Oman alone.
 
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sircaw

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Thanks, mate! If you ever step a foot here you'll have your Omani coseplay, and maybe bring you to an Omani wedding that might be boring for you as it's all seperated (men/women) but some folklore stuff you might dig.

Here is what we call "Habbout هبوت" which is a tribal parade and poets are said either showing the pride of the tribe or supporting the Sultan here, those are my tribe, or lots say just a part of around ~5,500 total in the city:



Here is one of the most famous dances "Bar'ah برعة":



And this one is mostly done by the tribe and sub-tribe shiekhs :messenger_winking_tongue:

This was about the national day



Females have their own as well but this one is one of the extinct folklore dances that used to be done between relatives to encourage marriage from the same tribe members, now it's more celebrated as a traditional folklore dance by folklore bands (Rabboubah ربّوبة):



This one in 1997 during the national day



There are more than 50 folklore music/dances in the region of Dhofar, Oman alone.


Poor Bo is going to blow a gasket when he sees on of my replies.

EEK

I am gona spam him some hearts to soften the blow. :messenger_heart: :messenger_heart: :messenger_heart: :messenger_heart: :messenger_heart:
 
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DeepSpace5D

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but Spiderman will be 4k 60fps and looks better. Even at 60fps tht Halo game just didnt look good next gen. Most of what Xbox showed was meh. Thy can blame the pandemic, 60fps, etc but we know the real deal.

In fairness, Alex did go on to criticize the heavy amount of CG use and lack of gameplay in the trailers that followed. I don’t want to rag on the guy constantly, I just want to see fair and unbiased analysis from a channel that many people trust.
 
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Three Jackdaws

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Digital Foundry are really ruining their credibility with Alex aka Dicktator, man I tried giving this guy a chance but he's just awkward to listen to and watch and he's bias is pretty clear. Today's example about the 30 FPS stuff was a good example, like really dude??? Sony have some of the best looking games in the gaming industry and his response is "bUt aRe tHey 60 fPs?" fuck outta here dude, that's just a piss poor and cheap critique. Every-time he talks about Sony or the PS5 it's like someone has stuck a giant stick up his ass. He has such an awkward demeanour and the tone of his voice sounds like a dude who's just been slapped by his mom, really uncomfortable to listen to. Forgive the vulgar language, I'm just annoyed something as credible as Digital Foundry who have been doing a great service towards the gamers for years now hire a colossal ass hat like Alex.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
You guys are being too harsh on DF. Every single one of them was super harsh on the presentation. They hated the CGi trailers. Richard went on numerous rants over it. Dictator literally closes the show saying he wasnt impressed.

They are allowed to disagree with each other. They are allowed to like games on the show. I didnt sense even a hint of bias from them. If i was Phil watching this video I would be triggered as fuck. They did not hold back and utterly trashed the conference.
 

zaitsu

Banned
You guys are being too harsh on DF. Every single one of them was super harsh on the presentation. They hated the CGi trailers. Richard went on numerous rants over it. Dictator literally closes the show saying he wasnt impressed.

They are allowed to disagree with each other. They are allowed to like games on the show. I didnt sense even a hint of bias from them. If i was Phil watching this video I would be triggered as fuck. They did not hold back and utterly trashed the conference.
Just throw out Alex from the equation and were good. Cant stand that guy anymore.
 

Dibils2k

Member
You guys are being too harsh on DF. Every single one of them was super harsh on the presentation. They hated the CGi trailers. Richard went on numerous rants over it. Dictator literally closes the show saying he wasnt impressed.

They are allowed to disagree with each other. They are allowed to like games on the show. I didnt sense even a hint of bias from them. If i was Phil watching this video I would be triggered as fuck. They did not hold back and utterly trashed the conference.
just anything that's not totally hating on it is shilling apparently

if its 90% negative but 10% positive, theg focus on the positive to cry about it, pathetic
 
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Bo_Hazem

Banned
I want one with an elephant tusk... Think it will get caught coming into the US?

Most of them aren't even for sale, you need to negotiate with owners that had them back in the day. It might pass if no one knows shit, but I'm against it personally. Most of them are wood now, wild olive wood here and other types, and some are artificial and some use natural materials that I'm not fully aware of.

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For me they are not credible anymore. From XOX they were biased toward MS, not bashing halo only proved it. They were nitpicking Horizon and now Halo is ok. Just wtf. Unsubbed.

Edit : John is smart guy i like him.
John loves games and its technology in general, regardless of platform. Alex is a PC elitist that's why he cares so much about high framerates and I think PC guys are somehow biased towards MS even if they don't buy an Xbox. And I don't dislike Alex but seems like sometimes his preferences interfere with his professionalism.
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
Ok guys, i think next week Sony can start building momentum.
In august we should see :
-state of play ( probably gameplays of games shown in june and one or two annoucment )
- PS5 price and UI event
- PS5 hardware breakdown

I don't think they will wait much longer.
Preorders may start finally.

At this point waiting doesn't even affect them, they can just go on. We know breakdown is or should happen in August everything else is in the air as thy are just cruise controlling along. Even if Xbox by some miracle is cheaper tht shit still won't change tht mindshare or anything (remember ps3 was hundreds more than Xbox 360 and still ps3 when launched was outselling it almost every single month).
 

PaintTinJr

Member
Come here and I'll make you eat all kinds of meat/fish (chicken if you want). If you're a vegan I'll fetch you some grass.:lollipop_tears_of_joy:

That's in Saudi Arabia, I think. Every country has something somehow different, but a camel per big plate is overwhelming and it's a rare thing even in KSA and it only results massive wasted food or not 100% clean leftovers for the poor. Around 10-15 years now we've mostly shifted to buffets and it's much better to minimize food waste and provide clean food for the poor as weddings have people in hundreds and sometimes thousands depending on if you're socially active/known. It's funny that some tourists come and eat then try to pay thinking it's some kind of a traditional restaurant, of course anyone can come and eat and go during weddings/funerals.

This is me, the Omani Samurai, after coming back from my wedding in late 2016 if you're interested in our national outfit, mostly that's in special occasions.:lollipop_tears_of_joy:



Was buying your Ps4 Pro such a special occasion? Dressed like that, it is no wonder you went home with a quiet one :LOL:
 
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