VanSiriusGabriel
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Did we expect it to get worse with better lighting? It means nothing, because it's still sub-par.
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Did we expect it to get worse with better lighting? It means nothing, because it's still sub-par.
Metroiddarks
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Your main enemy in the house of graphics with hero light (in a PC)
A crab in the weak PS5 with hero light
A crab in the weak PS5 with hero light
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Gamernyc78
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This shit don't matter 
ps5 games, look two generations above Xbox presentation. Are you guys serious? This shit isn't even news fans really care about
ps5 games, look two generations above Xbox presentation. Are you guys serious? This shit isn't even news fans really care about 
megreotsugua
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Actually, no. The light adjustment only dimmed many parts of the screen to hide all the low-res textures.
Gamernyc78
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Lethal01
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After that showing it's all doom and gloom. They fucked up twice in a row so I can't really make excuses for them at this point.
Every major thing they showed was either tiny gameplay snippets, a trailer that could be completely pre-rendered as they couldn't even claim it was in engine, or it just didn't look like anything I could all "next gen". It's not that there are no games on XBSX, it's that there are still no games that would make me want to get the console even if I couldn't just get them on pc.
The Fable trailer did nothing but say that the game "exists"
The Forza trailer could have been impressive if they had just slowed it down and shown something that was atleast close to real gameplay.
Avowed showed maybe 5 seconds of impressive footage that may be gameplay, but aside from the studio nothing i can actually get excited for.
Medium I'm hopeful for but it doesn't look graphically impressive and i'm personally.
I like the artstyle of the everwild trailer, but once again, need to see gameplay or atleast that the game looks as good as the trailer visually.
Stalker game. exists, graphics look, passable.
Warhammer game, exists, needs gameplay.
It's amazing how they managed to go a whole hour without giving me a single thing I can't just praise. Even the last event gave me scarlet nexus to back up.
Right now the only thing that the conference is suggesting to me is that the 12tflops wasn't enough to make it a graphical beast since they have done nothing to demonstrate it. There was not a single game to make me say "this is a big visual jump". I would have loved if They had blown the competition out of the water and shown us amazing next gen graphics and every xbox and Halo fan could brag, but we just got a whole bunch of visually meh stuff with no gameplay to make up for it.
FunkMiller
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It's over guys...
“One is prioritising selling a service, whereas the other is prioritising the device. One of the reasons Phil Spencer cited Google as the biggest competitor to Xbox is not because PlayStation is suddenly insignificant, but because Google's current strategy is more in-line with what Microsoft is trying to do.“
Good grief.
One of the reasons why Microsoft gets hauled over the coals so badly when they screw up is because of people like this. The overwhelming arrogance, boastfulness and ’I know better than you’ attitude that comes off Microsoft staff in waves has always turned my stomach.
XBox fans are no better or worse than Sony fans, but boy oh boy, is there a massive difference between Sony staff and Microsoft staff. People like this asshat and Greenberg just make all XBox fans look bad, because they stoke all of this divisive shit year in year out, and never have to face the consequences, when they fall on their faces.
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Gamernyc78
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Omg this too. You guys are ruthless lol
Gudji
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Some people spent months saying "cross-gen is a bad idea and it's going to show" and others were downplaying by saying things like "it's just scaling", "it won't make a difference", etc. We've seen the result, it's not a good look.
Some poeple also have been saying that there isn't going to be a huge difference between PS5 and XSX graphics, a 15-17% difference in GPU power and 4% difference in CPU won't make games look generations apart. It didn't happen with PS4/XBO and PS4 PRO/XBO X, the differences will be even less noticeable on PS5/XSX. But I guess people are going to have to see it for themselves to get a reality check.
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zaitsu
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The reality check will come when PS5 games would look better because of usage of GE and smart architecture around SSD. I stil think the most precious leak we've get is that guy from Cryctek. The differencd between 2 systems is marginal, 2 times smaller than between XOX and PRO. They would look almost exactly the same and you can BAN ME IF SONY EXCLUSIVE WOULDNT BE BEST LOOKING GEN NEXT GENERATION.
FunkMiller
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You know, I still have no idea how this magical SSD will affect Ps5 games. That’s conceivably the only thing that could still create a real difference between the two consoles. 12tflops clearly hasn’t done it so far... and I’m not really holding my breath thinking the SSD will, but I do really want to see evidence of what - if any - big difference it makes to next gen games.
Rea
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At least u won't gonna have ugly, obvious pop-in like halo infinite.
faster ssd means gpu can render more assets, the reason why halo has pop in is not because of gpu performance, it's because of the I/O bottleneck!!! And sony completely removed by adding custom silicon to accelerate the I/O operation and reduce cpu overhead.
IllegalLemon
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The Tempest Engine is essentially a repurposed Amd RDNA 2.0 compute unit that’s been effectively stripped naked(that is, the cache has been removed) and customized to do other things, namely audio processing. Depending on the modifications Sony has done to it and assuming what Paul from RGT said is true, if let’s say devs have leftover power after using it for audio, that power could be directed towards other things like accelerating compression/decompression performance for instance or pushed towards cpu or even gpu to help improve performance. Let’s assume an RDNA 2.0 compute unit has about 300 GFLOPS of available performance, if you use about 175 GFLOPS(and this is an example) for audio processing and are left with 125, you can direct those towards other processing units. Take this with a grain of salt as we don’t know the specific modifications Sony has done to that compute unit or how reliable Paul’s sources are, assuming he has any. But the thought of it being used for other things is an intriguing prospect.
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Delpij
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We already had two major examples of the different the PS5's I/O and SSD will make in games:
- Dimensional rifts in Ratchet and Clank hint at entire worlds loading instantly;
- The high fidelity open world of Horizon Forbidden West proves that we do need to sacrifice graphics for scale anymore, in adventure and role playing games.
To gamers with a bit of history like me, Ratchet and Clank feels like witnessing the technological advance introduced with Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver on PSone.
Just like Ray Tracing feels like Q3 Arena's Transform & Lightning!
Everybody is waiting for UE5 to launch, but when folks like id Software unveil their new engine and the games that come with it, people are going to lose it.
I would like to see some competition at the IDE / SDK level.
THE:MILKMAN
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RGT also mentioned he was in a DM conversation with MLiD in his latest video but as I alluded to yesterday before RGT's video dropped these guys are talking and sharing "info" over DM and seemingly adding 2+2 and getting 5. I'm guessing other YouTuber's are involved in this too.
I liked to listen to a lot of their videos but I don't really take their "info" too seriously.
Snowdonhoffen
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I remember id Software talked about adding ray tracing to Doom Eternal, and Marty Stratton even said something like "we will lead in that area". So maybe when the next gen consoles launch we will get an update that will show the true potential of ray tracing in consoles.
Bo_Hazem
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I would say Ghost of Tsushima, by a small margin. I normally hate zombie-like games, but TLOU2 is wonderful but the story telling is confusing and has lots of things I don't like which serves to be a unique experience to me nonetheless. Both are 10/10 to me.
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Fortuneelsewhere
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You can quote me later... Phil will be out of Xbox leadership before the end of 2021!
He is the pinnacle of incompetency.. They basically had 7 years to prepare and do this right.. and even so they failed miserably.. halo been show the way it was shown is beyond words.. they completely killed the last shred of hype anyone could have for Xbox x.. and consequently extend that feeling to game pass also..
Xbox sex should be the driver to that game pass experience not a side note..
Halo in 8 minutes single handheld destroyed ms marketing narrative... impressive..
I have a feeling this coming Holliday It will be a rude awakening for Xbox leadership..
zaitsu
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Phil isn't bad its just bad lighting.
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Deleted member 775630
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Hahaha, you are acting as if Xbox division is in shambles. They are doing very well the past few years. Already more than 10 million Game Pass subscribers, Nadella loves that recurring revenue that you get with selling services and subscription. He won't be leaving soon, and that's a good thing. I actually think Spencer does a great job at Microsoft. We got a lot of new great games coming that looked amazing.
zaitsu
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Shame we need to wait 2 years at best to see any of that amazing games. Its lets wait for e3 all over again. Its funny : xbox fans are hyped for game pass number of subscribers xD LOL
I don't care about PS NOW or sony revenue in TV market. I care about games, and when I will play two GOTY materials in November for first time on PS5 you will wait couple of years to see anything like that on xbox. Why would anybody even consider xbox. I can't understand that.
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Deleted member 775630
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Well game development takes time, and if the rumour is true that the Xbox division was in control of their own plans since 2018 then I get why we had to wait... The only way is up! Even more so after the Halo gameplay footage
zaitsu
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Dude just buy PS5 and have fun, you can buy XSX when something really good would show up.Well game development takes time, and if the rumour is true that the Xbox division was in control of their own plans since 2018 then I get why we had to wait... The only way is up! Even more so after the Halo gameplay footage
sircaw
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Microsoft need to delay Halo, its that simple. The thrashking video highlight a multitude of problems in that demo alone, that was meant to show Halo at it's finest, it was their show case. They have about four months or so to fix, add, correct things. image all the other areas that are not right, there could be hundreds of bugs, unfinished work.
what is that famous quote about a bad game that is released to early stays a bad game forever. Someone can quote it. well this is going to be that. Don't do it Microsoft.
Fs phil spencer, do not release this in that state. If you start the new generation with your flagship game getting a 7/10 it is going to be terrible, unforgivable in fact.
Delay it, hold it back, polish it, make it a 9/10 then get it out next year for xmas. There are already tonnes of games to play.
Make an executive decision, and stop the rot.
what is that famous quote about a bad game that is released to early stays a bad game forever. Someone can quote it. well this is going to be that. Don't do it Microsoft.
Fs phil spencer, do not release this in that state. If you start the new generation with your flagship game getting a 7/10 it is going to be terrible, unforgivable in fact.
Delay it, hold it back, polish it, make it a 9/10 then get it out next year for xmas. There are already tonnes of games to play.
Make an executive decision, and stop the rot.
zaitsu
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I'm feeling sorry for heat in the studio right now. MS cant launch console without any exclusive.
Fortuneelsewhere
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Is not in shambles but it is far far away from it should be with the right leadership.. 10m subcritions does not say nothing because day basically give the subscription free.. You have to look at the revenue..
You could say to me, yes but they are doing this to gain scale so at the moment their strategy is to grow subscribers not revenue.. the problem is with what they are doing they will not grow subscribers.. in fact they may loose some...
sircaw
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They need to do something about it, are there no other big microsoft exclusives for release. There must be something, 1 good game.
How can you have a new generation of consoles with zero exclusives.
zaitsu
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As we see it not hard if you are MS.
One have thought that after so few exclusives this gen, they are saving for next generation. Guess thats not the case.
FunkMiller
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I think I need to see at least a full game play slice before I can make any real conclusions - something like the UE5 demo, but an actual game like Horizon. Nothing else will convince me of the SSD’s purported game changing tech. I get what you’re saying though
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah Halo... I thought gameplay looked a lot of fun.
Revenue was up 65% last quarter
T-Cake
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Rossco EZ
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that was my thoughts when i saw it.
zaitsu
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Gameplay looked fun ?
Borderlands 3, Doom eternal looks better, probably plays better and are available right now.
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sircaw
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Its such a worry, this is Microsoft we are talking about,a multi Billionaire company, their planning is atrocious.
Sometimes i feel like they have more money than sense.
Well i hope they steady the ship, but its been a rough seas of present.
zaitsu
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Probably yes. XSX has XOX color so XSS can have XOS color.
J_Gamer.exe
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Yes and to be honest its obvious from the trailer as I have said myself. You can see when the camera is behind the character underwater and a bit later on top of a mountain with the rocks in the foreground.
Probably more times with camera moved round.
Can I ask about your comment a while back about PS5 data management being at least 5x better than SX worst case and upto 9 best case.
Can you clarify about this? Does this mean 5 x better io performance like sony said 100 times faster ssd = 100 times faster, wheres xbox aprox 40 x faster ssd equals 20 times faster?
Is this still the case as we had the whole SFS debate and claims. Can you add anything more to this area? Thanks.
zaitsu
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Big software company yet any developer i personally know is whining that windows DX api combo is so much worse than Sony solutions.
sircaw
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Yer there is no way around it seems, Sony's product just is superior in design. Sometimes its feels like Sony are In the console/games business and microsoft are doing just for the sake of doing it.
Maybe that's not fair of me to say but it sure hell feels like it sometimes.
JonnyMP3
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Amen brother. This was another side that I forgot to add on my post in the Gamepass thread, that Sony is going after the 'Box Office' sales still.
Vae_Victis
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Engine demonstrations on their own are completely pointless. It's 2020, not 1998, we all know if you have the time and money for it you can create 3D visuals that are borderline indistinguishable from reality.This was shown a year before to demonstrate the engine
The strenght of a game engine is not in what it can do, but in how much hardware it needs to do it. Unless you also show me ON WHAT you are running that in real time, you showed nothing.
zaitsu
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Probably because for Sony gaming department is very important. Its almost to be or not to be for them. And for MS is just another branch from many of them, and it has no special treatment. MS is just trying to divergence their revenue.
VanSiriusGabriel
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343 artists should take inspiration from those shadows next time.
Fortuneelsewhere
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Their total gaming division, because they don’t give game pass revenue alone, (why is that?) is roughly half of PlayStation and you think that is good enough for ms?
This year will be even tougher and with the coming generation as it seems the gap will further increase..
Nickolaidas
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I've spent some time on twitter (don't judge) and the hardcore X-Box fans are mocking PS fans of having to pay 60 bucks for a single player game which will be beaten in a few hours while they will be playing 100 games for 15 bucks.
The whole 12TF >>> 9TF thing is now a thing of the past. Gamepass is their weapon of choice, which means that uncle Phil's brainwashing has worked tremendously. Now, don't get me wrong, Gamepass is a sweet, SWEET deal which I have praised a lot in the past, but the shift in narrative proves how much damage the Halo demo did for the X-Box hardcore fans ("It doesn't look bad, it's an artistic choice, gamepass, gamepass, gamepass").
The whole 12TF >>> 9TF thing is now a thing of the past. Gamepass is their weapon of choice, which means that uncle Phil's brainwashing has worked tremendously. Now, don't get me wrong, Gamepass is a sweet, SWEET deal which I have praised a lot in the past, but the shift in narrative proves how much damage the Halo demo did for the X-Box hardcore fans ("It doesn't look bad, it's an artistic choice, gamepass, gamepass, gamepass").
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DeltaPolarBear
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Amusing thing is, we know current gen Xbox market share is about 50% of Playstation. So if that translates to half of revenue, it could mean we can predict the next generation revenue difference via hardware sales alone.
I am reminded of one of our threads, "Gamepass is not for everyone". I find that title ironic, because it is outright admitting Gamepass is not able to target certain demographics at all. if Gamepass is not for everyone, then that means it has a smaller demographic than the total combined gamers available.
Still, one can't blame fans for acting like fans. Those who are still sticking with Xbox is clearly going down with the ship, if they were willing to leave they would have left by now. If being lied to is not enough reason to jump overboard, then they are happy being lied to.
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ArcaneNLSC
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thelastword
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I don't think they can delay it though, because they will have nothing. There is no Forza ready, no Horizon, nothing like Perfect Dark. With rumors of Cod being delayed this year, MS would need to fuel their own momentum for the holidays, something to tide their fans over. If they have no compelling exclusives for this holiday, Series X may be disqualified for a false start. They may never even start the race before it's over.......
VanSiriusGabriel
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I'm playing since months with PS Now, Gamepass is not as unique as it was in the first period.
Plus all Sony IP got bigger in terms of length. Uncharted 4 is double the others, TLOU2 is double that, and you don't beat GoW, Horizon, Days Gone, Persona 5, DS, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima and not even "b-rate" exclusives like EDF or Alienation in few hours. Short ones like The Order or The Last Guardian are by far the minority. It's incredible how Internet sometimes tries to negate established realities.
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