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[Shifty1897]

I'm sorry but Apple and Google are in the wrong here. When I buy a game from Best Buy I'm not continually paying them a fee because I initially purchased through them. If I purchase additional content elsewhere that's none of their concern. Netflix and Spoitfy fall in the same category. After the initial purchase there should be no more recurring payments to apple.

It's not quite the same, since these games are free to play, but I do agree that taking a 30% cut as a digital storefront is ridiculous and predatory. Epic has the right idea by starting up their own storefront that only takes a 12% cut on PC. Hopefully these antitrust lawsuits cause Apple and Google to back down a little, it surprises me that neither Google or Apple have ever tried undercutting the other on this to get exclusive apps.

 

[Ozrimandias]

I've heard only bad news from Apple from the last couple of days. And by bad news, i mean anti-consumer Apple bullshit.

 

[theHFIC]

Works just fine on android
Apple’s time is over g t f o with that anti consumer sheit

“This is a great Android only app”
-No one, ever

But hey that Android ecosystem content (besides Retroarch) brings back great memories of Limewire and the faith I had in the applications I downloaded off that so more power to them.

 

[Holammer]

Imagine if Microsoft took a cut of everything that was sold on Steam, kind if the same thing.

Only if the PC was developed built and sold by Microsoft themselves.
We already have what you're talking about and it's called the Xbox. I fucking triple dog dare them [Epic]to pull this stunt on the Xbox and Playstation platforms.
Do it, you big fat pussy.

 

[ThatGamingDude]

So what I dont get is why buying something in a game has to go through Apple and get the 30% tax but buying something on the Amazon app doesn't. Totally bull rules from Apple as usual.

It's usually X% operating costs + X% profit

The did have to develop the platform, maintain it, marketing, integration etc for it

Amazon does charge people to sell things on their platform, though, I don't think it would amount to 30%
5 minute search shows it's usually a total of ~13%
And I wouldn't hold the 13% number firm since I didn't REALLY look into it

 

[IntentionalPun]

We already have what you're talking about and it's called the Xbox. I fucking triple dog dare them [Epic]to pull this stunt on the Xbox and Playstation platforms.
Do it, you big fat pussy.

Exactly.. both Epic and Microsoft (for complaining about xCloud) are being quite selective and somewhat hypocritical (less so Epic, but MS definitely is).

 

[kuncol02]

Also if you look epic not being as nice as everybody is saying , look at the prices. Apple takes 30% and epic charging 7.99 so they just getting more money

Epic is paying transaction fee when they take direct payment. It can be actually higher than 10% in some situations. They also have to pay for infrastructure on their side.

 

[kittoo]

I'm not a fan of Fortnite as i never been interested on battle royale tittles but it seems that Apple here is being greedy and wants some of the cash. No one is gonna believe the "store safe for all users" excuse.

That's Apple's excuse for everything. It's a shitty company with shitty policies, products with exorbitant prices, pain in the ass repair policy, locked ecosystem because they want you to get stuck and then charge hellish prices for their accessories and services that are available for almost free at other places.
And every goddamn response this company gives is this only- for safety of our users. Lol give me a break.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Digital vs physical purchases. You can’t buy Kindle books on the Amazon iPhone app because of this policy.

Yeah Apple does selectively apply rules every once in a while, but this isn't it.

They do have one for gaming; in the Kindle example you can read your books purchased via the web. Amazon can't advertise that fact, or encourage (have a 'call to action') users to go to the web to buy books from within the app.

With games.. you can't do that. Apple wouldn't allow Fortnite to remove the MTX store for instance... unless they also didn't allow their players to use their MTX purchased outside the iPhone.

They are clearly protecting gaming over other products with those kinds of rules.. they see it as a much bigger profit potential.

 

[sixamp]

Anyone saying apple and good are on the wrong are delusional. It's their platforms and they have a set fee amount. Maybe all the devs paying epic their 10 or whatever they are paying should so FU we are only paying 5%.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Epic definitely planned for exactly this to happen, they implemented direct payments, Apple removed it, and they had a lawsuit and fancy video sitting ready to file. This is going on amid the backdrop of big tech antitrust hearings about this very thing, Epic is seeing this as the time to enact change.

In other words, Apple was Jebaited. I would not mind seeing them eat some crow and start to drop app store fees, or at least allow external payments to avoid their cut.

 

[kuncol02]

How is Sony letting Xbox use PS5 to sell their games at all comparable?

How it's different?

 

[GamerEDM]

fornite is a shitty game filled with micro transactions who cares

 

[Vawn]

THIS ladies and gentleman is what anti-consumer looks like.

On which side?

 

[Spokker]

fornite is a shitty game filled with micro transactions who cares

While I like your moxie, things like this could affect a good game someday.

 

[mckmas8808]

On which side?

Apple.

 

[Sony]

Epic games wants to bring Epic Games Store to iOS.
One multi-billion company suing the other.
But power to them if that means xCloud on iOS.

 

[KormaChameleon]

That is a bit of a dickish thing to do from Epic. Hard for me to disagree with Apple on this one.

 

[Guilty_AI]

How about Spotify? Why there’s no problem with Spotify?

I remember Spotify was already throwing jabs at apple for this thing with store fee, even going to court i believe, so its possible something might've happened that made them able to.

However, keep in mind that with spotify they had a direct competitor in apple music (who provided the exact same service while naturally being able to charge lower subscription fees) so their case was stronger than fortnite's.

 

[Warnen]

You are completely off base here, still. Go read some thoughts from software engineers, people in the industry on this whole issue with iOS and Android. It has nothing to do with a fee. It has to do with zero computing freedom on the most ubiquitous computing platforms in the world.

think you are off base, this thread is about Apple pulling fortnite, not about how unfair the platform is. Epic doesn’t want to share.

 

[-Arcadia-]

As entertaining as all this is, I feel bad for the children that only have an iPhone or iPad to play Fortnite on.

No updates. No season 4. No upcoming live storyline event. That's kind of rough, and who knows how long this is going to last?

I mean, I'm not against what they've done, and this might genuinely be my shot at playing GamePass on my iPad, but I'm just saying.

 

[Oppoi]

Noooooooooooo!... I wanted Apple to be the next big thing in gaming...

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Epic starting their Cyberpunk Corpo run early I see.

 

[TheWanderingOgre]

Screams like two giant turds fighting each other.

Smells shitty any way it ends.

Good PR from Epic for people without eyes to see though.

I have three.

 

[Rikoi]

fornite is a shitty game filled with micro transactions who cares

Funny because it's one of the few games which can be played totally free without any gameplay disvantage, especially if you consider mobile gaming.

 

[Warnen]

This is the same reason I don’t have hbo max or peacock on my roku. The service doesn’t want to pay the platforms fee.

 

[metareferential]

Time to buy an iPhone and get back to iOS.

 

[jshackles]

I'd kinda like to see other companies follow Epic's example here. Imagine if Roblox, Pokemon Go, Clash of Clans, and/or Candy Crush got in on the actions and started working together to put the squeeze to Apple. Hell, PUBG is pretty popular on iOS too and it's owned by Tencent, right?

 

[stranno]

I'm sorry for the dual payment screen developer. He missed the entire day.

 

[TTOOLL]

Dam

Holy shit, that fucking first paragraph lol

 

[SoloKingRobert]

Apple will lose Customers by not allowing Fortnite and Xcloud on their store.

 

[michaelius]

As entertaining as all this is, I feel bad for the children that only have an iPhone or iPad to play Fortnite on.

No updates. No season 4. No upcoming live storyline event. That's kind of rough, and who knows how long this is going to last?

I mean, I'm not against what they've done, and this might genuinely be my shot at playing GamePass on my iPad, but I'm just saying.

Well I'd say Apple is doing them favour in this case. They might play something actually good instead.

 

[reinking]

As entertaining as all this is, I feel bad for the children that only have an iPhone or iPad to play Fortnite on.

No updates. No season 4. No upcoming live storyline event. That's kind of rough, and who knows how long this is going to last?

I mean, I'm not against what they've done, and this might genuinely be my shot at playing GamePass on my iPad, but I'm just saying.

Yes. Think of the children. They have been cutoff from a game that was built to milk money from their (parents) wallets. Poor lost souls. Whatever will they do?

 

[EviLore]

Apple will lose Customers by not allowing Fortnite and Xcloud on their store.

Apple with its two trillion dollar market cap is doomed without Fortnite.

 

[Lupin3]

As entertaining as all this is, I feel bad for the children that only have an iPhone or iPad to play Fortnite on.

Apple is doing those kids a favor!

 

[Rikoi]

Yes. Think of the children. They have been cutoff from a game that was built to milk money from their (parents) wallets. Poor lost souls. Whatever will they do?

Maybe their parents should just unlink the credit card or link one with 0$.
They will just find another game to spend on if that's their addiction and their parents don't give a fuck.

 

[michaelius]

Fortnite for Android has also been kicked off the Google Play Store

First Apple banned Fortnite, now Google has, too. It’s been quite a day.

www.theverge.com

They just got kicked out of play store too

 

[Lupin3]

Apple with its two trillion dollar market cap is doomed without Fortnite.

To be fair, Apple is nothing without Fortnite. I even forgot where I put my iPhone after Fortnite was removed from App Store.

EDIT: Oh, there it is!

 

[reinking]

Maybe their parents should just unlink the credit card or link one with 0$.
They will just find another game to spend on if that's their addiction and their parents don't give a fuck.

I should have added the /s. I thought the sarcasm was obvious.

 

[blakdecaf]

Just checked, and it’s not on the Windows Phone store either now.

Madness.

 

[Warnen]

Fortnite for Android has also been kicked off the Google Play Store

First Apple banned Fortnite, now Google has, too. It’s been quite a day.

www.theverge.com

They just got kicked out of play store too

lol

sure MS Nintendo and Sony aren’t far behind if they put that update there.

 

[iconmaster]

Imagine if Microsoft took a cut of everything that was sold on Steam, kind if the same thing.

Well no; it’s more like Steam taking a cut of everything sold on Steam. Apple charges devs for access to the App Store, not iOS. Of course, Apple’s is the only App Store allowed…

 

[M1chl]

Dam

Holy shit, best shit I read in a long time. Laywers must be fun in the parties : D

 

[Kataploom]

I don't get this shit, why is Epic, in first place, pushing a PAYMENT METHOD, which are: Hard to develop, hard to maintain, hard to keep secure, expensive as hell, etc, etc... Only to keep the same revenues in the end? I would understand it if they were pricing their digital goods the same so they'd get that extra fees they're paying to Apple, but they're not.

This is stupid or too dark for us to understand what's really going on... Everyone knows Apple and have other alternatives in the market, they're not a charity but business, they are not a monopoly because despite their success, 80% of marketshare is still Android devices.

This is different than social media, which are not only open to the public but also public spaces in their own, this is a brand that sell premium devices at high prices so saying they're "abusing their power" is just dumb if Epic is clearly evading their fees without an evident gain, unless they're pushing other game developers to use their payment method instead of Apple's and this is just the tick of the iceberg, which would gives more context but still just assumptions.

 

[ThatGamingDude]

Hmmm...
Now that Google punted them off too, this makes a sturdy spot for Apple

Now they trifecta would be to have studios to hop on that

HOWEVER....Epic owns the Unreal engine, they may gauge back with changing their licensing to the same stuff
Imagine if studios are silent or go against Epic...hm....

Holy shit, best shit I read in a long time. Laywers must be fun in the parties : D

I will tell you they're fucking party animals
But lawyers want dirt
Don't party with your company's lawyers

 

[GameSeeker]

Epic should try and pull the same trick with Xbox and Playstation, so they get kicked off those platforms as well for not paying 30%. Then the Epic PC Gamestore will be the best way to get Fortnite and Epic should be happy.

 

[Eevee86]

I'm sorry but Apple and Google are in the wrong here. When I buy a game from Best Buy I'm not continually paying them a fee because I initially purchased through them. If I purchase additional content elsewhere that's none of their concern. Netflix and Spoitfy fall in the same category. After the initial purchase there should be no more recurring payments to apple.

But there is no initial purchase here. Its free.

 

[Flintty]

Good. Fuck Fortnite but I support this.
I’d laugh my arse off if Epic made an Epic Phone to grab all the kids that play this shit

 

[Amiga]

on Android one can buy and install directly from Epic right?

 

[jshackles]

Good. Fuck Fortnite but I support this.
I’d laugh my arse off if Epic made an Epic Phone to grab all the kids that play this shit