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Phil Spencer: Selling as many consoles as Sony or Nintendo is not our approach
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You're not because I'm saying that it's a small percentage of people who would have a controller hooked to their TV who wouldn't have a console.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The console is for the hardcore base still. They need to ease into this and not abandon cold turkey.
kretos
Banned
Phil has to talk everyday doesn't he
It's not his approach because he knows he can't compete with them that's why Xbox is taking a different route with no exclusives and subscriptions
you sell more consoles = you sell more software on that console
It's not his approach because he knows he can't compete with them that's why Xbox is taking a different route with no exclusives and subscriptions
you sell more consoles = you sell more software on that console
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Because they want to sell *their* ecosystem. Doing their own consoles is the good balance (in their eyes) between having a variety of access points and retaining as much control as possible on the revenue generated by their ecosystem and on the ecosystem itself.
If they put game pass on all platforms, they'd have to rely on the PSN and Nintendo network, which would make their ecosystem more reliant on networks owned by other companies. As we all saw, they're already having issues with Apple.
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Torrent of Pork
Banned
You think they wouldn't if they could?
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I would think GP would eat into game sales on other platforms especially if they are going after 3rd party stuff. I mean if you had game pass on switch and carrion was on it, are you going to buy carrion from the eshop?
I would guess MS wouldn’t be the ones not wanting game pass on other consoles really.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
or you just buy a controller for $50 instead of a console for $500 if you want to play a game
MasterCornholio
Member
Probably because they would get told no by them. Take into account that with EA access it's just EA games but something like Gamepass would compete with many other publishers on Sonys and Nintendos platform. Microsoft can't just buy their way in and I'm pretty sure many 3rd parties love their sales on both Nintendo and Sonys systems.
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vaibhavpisal
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"Our approach is to sell about half of our competition"
THE DUCK
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You guys are really missing the point of what he's saying. He's saying we could sell 100 million consoles and 5 games per unit over thier lifetime, or we could sell 40 million and have the all on game pass and or xbox live. Guess which one makes them more money?
It's already happened this generation, I haven't checked the numbers directly, but I would wager that ms made more profit on xbox one and its online services than sony despite losing the "console war" total sales figure.
It's already happened this generation, I haven't checked the numbers directly, but I would wager that ms made more profit on xbox one and its online services than sony despite losing the "console war" total sales figure.
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Bonfires Down
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Now that xCloud seems to be ready for action they should focus on getting their app included by default on smart TVs. Maybe even include a free controller when you buy the TV.
And that would be a really small percent of people who would buy a $50 controller for their TV if they are not into gaming enough to buy a console.
Varnish La PS
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LOL no they haven't lol
FunkMiller
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Vasto
Member
They know what he is saying.
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ShadowWolf712
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I'd buy this if they weren't still shelling out for console exclusives and releasing a weaker spec system for the primary purpose of undercutting the PlayStation, to say nothing of supposedly even trying to undercut the PS5's price with the Series X's if possible.
Phil keeps trying to have a foot in both worlds. The mixed messaging is not helping.
Phil keeps trying to have a foot in both worlds. The mixed messaging is not helping.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Translation of the above in actual words.
"I don't have an argument to counter this, so I'll try to get away with a GIF instead."
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
FunkMiller
Member
He may have a valid argument to make, but the condescending tone, and the insulting attitude, guarantee no more communication and a lovely trip to Ignoresville
Liamario
Banned
Of course it is, but if Sony has twice as many consoles and with the same attach rate for each console as microsoft does, there's only one outcome.
Jaxcellent
Member
Although, I think its good to choose an approach, I'm not so sure this one will work, then again, Microsoft is all about hitting critical mass, they must have done the math on this, I prefer the original approach for console gaming/next gen consoles, dont see the incentive to buy a new Xbox, my old Xbone still works fine, its not like I'm missing out on any games or anything...
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Guess we'll have to check the earnings in a few years to see if this pays off. What's irritating about this is these kinds of statement, whether true or not, seem to be made to basically buy time.
I don't really subscribe to the console war, so unlike many of you, I'm not desperate to rope Xbox into he ring with Sony. Them going a different route has produced some initiatives that I doubt we would see otherwise. Variety is good.
I don't really subscribe to the console war, so unlike many of you, I'm not desperate to rope Xbox into he ring with Sony. Them going a different route has produced some initiatives that I doubt we would see otherwise. Variety is good.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
He may have a valid argument to make, but the condescending tone, and the insulting attitude, guarantee no more communication and a lovely trip to Ignoresville
That's not what your comment highlighting and GIF indicated in any capacity.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
This person's comments prove they don't.....
"Then why make the cheap Xbox series s? So full of shit"
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Yet attach rates don't ever seem to climb. Attach rates never going higher is the issue.
THE DUCK
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Show me some numbers then, if true should be easy.
Vasto
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loktaiextatus
Member
Microsoft... Microsoft.. Come on. Blood in the water much? Why even open your mouth . Just sit there quietly with your 12TF, work with your developers to pump out
a couple really shockingly good looking games for the launch window and just sit there quietly and sell the units. Why do you keep talking about your competition in this
context and why in the name of god are you saying "W...... WELL I WILL JUST TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME THEN" And claiming you Dont want to play anymore/ wasnt trying to win anyway.
God damn it just tastes like cringe I cant even explain everything thats been wrong with their messaging. They came out screaming about their console hardware, early, then keep not
showing games and keep backpedaling saying they dont care about selling it, but also its the best , and they arent worried about Sony because their console is better but also they
will sell more than Xbox and thats ok but also.... I mean come on.
a couple really shockingly good looking games for the launch window and just sit there quietly and sell the units. Why do you keep talking about your competition in this
context and why in the name of god are you saying "W...... WELL I WILL JUST TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME THEN" And claiming you Dont want to play anymore/ wasnt trying to win anyway.
God damn it just tastes like cringe I cant even explain everything thats been wrong with their messaging. They came out screaming about their console hardware, early, then keep not
showing games and keep backpedaling saying they dont care about selling it, but also its the best , and they arent worried about Sony because their console is better but also they
will sell more than Xbox and thats ok but also.... I mean come on.
Sony Q1 FY2020 (April-June) Results - PS4: 1.9m (LTD: 112.3m) / Best Quarter ever for PlayStation / Strong FY20 FCT: $23.4B Revenue & $2.24B Profit Sales
*The US Dollar figures have been converted from Japanese Yen with exchange rate provided in Sony fiscal reports Source 1 / Source 2 Highlights : Over $5.63B Revenue and $1.153B Profit between April-June 2020 (Q1 FY20) Biggest Revenue ever for PlayStation (and for any platform holder) during...
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I would disagree, phone gaming market alone shows there are lots of casuals that don’t want to buy a console to play games.
If you just need a controller and a sub the low cost of entry would drive many new users to check it out.
Also you have the audience that buys 1 or 2 games a year, if they could get 100s of games for that same price why not?
SoloKingRobert
Banned
To be fair Bayern Munich did beat Chelsea 7-1 in the Champions League
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Knitted Knight
Banned
True hardcore Xbox gamers understand...
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Phones come with their own interface that can play games TVs don't so like I said the percentage of people with controllers hooked to their TV without a console is small.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Lol why are you so hooked on the interface? People buy controllers and headphones for there phones too. People buy sound bars and extra universal remotes for there TVs as well.
The point you keep going to is nonsense.
H-I-M
Member
Maybe you should check the numbers before making those statements, cause they didn't.
loktaiextatus
Member
True hardcore Xbox gamers understand...
So by saying at the end that a Murderer is less to be feared... is that a way of saying we should have Hillary instead? Asking for a friend.
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