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[Walter Matthau]

We will never go to streaming. Internet speeds will stay the same for the foreseeable future and there is no lure of profit for companies to invest any further into streaming technology. Even Google which has an impeccable record for continually investing and supporting all of the services it launches has failed with Stadia and that will be a lesson to everyone else, including Sony and Microsoft which already have streaming services, to cancel their plans. These past 10 years have repeatedly shown us that the average person heavily prefers physical media over streaming services.

 

[Fuz]

I don’t disagree that the future may be cloud gaming

You should, though.
Passive acceptance it's what's fucking us up.

 

[Vawn]

So we will forever be chained to the 4TF Xbox Series S?

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

You should, though.
Passive acceptance it's what's fucking us up.

I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I don’t support it. I just see it coming. I still buy physical when I can. I’ll even buy from other regions, like Bayonetta 1 & 2, Okami HD, and Onimusha on the Switch. I also buy various limited distribution physics games too. I actually just preordered Ikaruga. That doesn’t mean that I don’t see cloud gaming as the future.

It’s like streaming or buying digital movies. I still buy physical movies. The reality is that consumers generally prefer ease of use to superior quality physical ownership rather than renting or leasing software.

 

[Fuz]

I think you misinterpreted what I was saying.

Oh no, I get it.

This:

I just see it coming.

is wrong. This is the first step to acceptance. Don't even enter that train of thought. We should never take that shit from granted - we should speak up and boycott - always.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

Oh no, I get it.

This:

is wrong. This is the first step to acceptance. Don't even enter that train of thought. We should never take that shit from granted - we should speak up and boycott - always.

Trust me, I’m digging in my heels. The only streaming service that I use is Disney+ for the Mandalorian. I mean, I even bought crappy DVDs for these Disney sing along videos for my kids instead of watching them on YouTube. I’m the same for games. I hate the ideas of Game Pass and PS Now. They, along with digital purchases, are incrementalism bringing us to full on game streaming.

 

[A.Romero]

The only way Cloud gaming could match a traditional experience is if somehow they could defy the laws of physics and suddenly they could push a signal from a datacenter miles away faster than it takes from my controller to the console.

That's basic. We are not talking movies. We are talking about a medium which is based on interaction and where the enjoyment of certain games are directly dependent of how timely and accurately that input is.

I'm glad there is the option so more people can enter gaming but it's not a solution fit for everyone. So no. Please keep consoles. If not, give me the option to play on PC rendering locally.

If none of that is possible, I think I'll finally go through my backlog.

 

[Virex]

Get the fuck out of here you silly

 

[Knitted Knight]

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

It's 2007 again.... i'm young again! Thank you op!❤

 

[IfuckinghateReddit]

I hope you poop your pants.

 

[Oppoi]

 

[Shakka43]

 

[Hostile_18]

You know I don't blame the negative responses in here and I agree with them as well BUT

Look at physical film/tv media sales vs streaming services.

The past has shown that convenience for a mass market will always win out. The argument Local gaming vs Steaming could be substituted for Physical vs Digital copies .. and look what is winning out. Unfortunately convenience will always be king and quality niche.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

You know I don't blame the negative responses in here and I agree with them as well BUT

Look at physical film/tv media sales vs streaming services.

The past has shown that convenience for a mass market will always win out. The argument Local gaming vs Steaming could be substituted for Physical vs Digital copies .. and look what is winning out. Unfortunately convenience will always be king and quality niche.

Sad but true

 

[Bryank75]

Streaming is fine for companies that are having difficulty selling hardware and for people that cannot afford to pay for a premium gaming experience, that is dependable and offers things like VR and great exclusives and actual game ownership.....

PlayStation has already trademarked PS6 - PS10 and it works for them, they get 120 Million sales + in a generation..... even PS3 (widely seen as a very bad gen for PS3) was 88 Million in the end. They get 30% of every game sale on there and PS+ subs, mtx cut etc etc.... why would they stop? They have the games and content.

If you want to play as a part of a community of less than 10 million people that get no exclusives and has no options for VR...... then streaming is there for you, knock yourself out.

PlayStation and Nintendo will always sell consoles, that is their main business.

 

[lastmessiah]

The argument Local gaming vs Steaming could be substituted for Physical vs Digital copies .. and look what is winning out. Unfortunately convenience will always be king and quality niche.

There is no difference in quality between a physical and digital version of a game. They are the same game.

 

[Hostile_18]

There is no difference in quality between a physical and digital version of a game. They are the same game.

Your losing some of your consumer rights in exchange for convenience. I think it can apply IMO

 

[lastmessiah]

Your losing some of your consumer rights in exchange for convenience. I think it can apply IMO

*eyeroll*

 

[Skyr]

whoops

 

[TGO]

 

[Hostile_18]

*eyeroll*

Paying more, not been able to sell them on, hand them down or be at the mercy of servers is eye roll worthy? Maybe your young and never known any different, digital downloads seem like they have always been around etc.

I'm all digital btw, but I'd be foolish if I didn't realise what I was giving up for convenience.

 

[lastmessiah]

Paying more, not been able to sell them on, hand them down or be at the mercy of servers is eye roll worthy? Maybe your young and never known any different, digital downloads seem like they have always been around etc.

I'm all digital btw, but I'd be foolish if I didn't realise what I was giving up for convenience.

They are all trumped up concerns by people who like to hear themselves complain on the internet.

Yeah you can't sell them, but it isn't a big deal to most people. Who the hell wants to bother themselves with selling games for peanuts like some second rate pawnbroker? And you are at the "mercy of servers" just as much with a physical copy. I am indeed old enough to remember when games were only physical and it wasn't the utopia that nerds make it out to be. You bought a game and that was it - if it was something you'd hoped would be good but it turns out that it sucks, there was no hope of it ever being updated or patched or improved in any way. There was no online multiplayer so everything was the same singleplayer hardcoded experience for everyone. Not something I'd ever want to go back to.

 

[Hostile_18]

So playing on local hardware is the better experience PQ, response and selection wise. This is an enthusiast forum, most here will agree we'd rather play this way. The general market doesn't care they want convenience to an acceptable standard.

If we asked a movie enthusiast forum the best way to watch movies they would say 4k disc on a big calibrated screen with surround sound. But by far and large the market has spoken and they would rather have the convenience of streaming on there general purpose tvs with onboard sound.

Looking at the trends in every other market it would be massively short sighted to think that the mainstream will value quality when the past indicates the opposite is true in every other market.

Playstation, Nintendo and Microsoft won't disappear but they will need to adapt to the market changes otherwise they are in danger of becoming another Blockbuster.

Quality local gaming will always be about in some form just like physical films but it will likely be a tiny, tiny part of the market just like vinyl is today. Consider where we will be infrastructure wise in 10-20 years as well (Internet speed wise).

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

What? I already don’t want an all digital future, but a Cloud gaming future would be even worst. Definitely not. I would quit modern gaming and go retro if that happened.

 

[Hostile_18]

They are all trumped up concerns by people who like to hear themselves complain on the internet.

Yeah you can't sell them, but it isn't a big deal to most people. Who the hell wants to bother themselves with selling games for peanuts like some second rate pawnbroker? And you are at the "mercy of servers" just as much with a physical copy. I am indeed old enough to remember when games were only physical and it wasn't the utopia that nerds make it out to be. You bought a game and that was it - if it was something you'd hoped would be good but it turns out that it sucks, there was no hope of it ever being updated or patched or improved in any way. There was no online multiplayer so everything was the same singleplayer hardcoded experience for everyone. Not something I'd ever want to go back to.

I do prefer digital downloads it's just it's hard to deny you lose some control and the cost is more, not less than buying physical. I don't think its unfair to state the number one reason for digital downloads taking off in recent years is convince at the expense of the aforementioned features. As generations grow up around digital distribution those factors may well become as inconsequential as you say as that's all some users will have ever known. I just think it's something worth considering what we do give up in this pursuit.

 

[ReBurn]

Console generations can end for you at any time. Just stop buying consoles. Stadia is streaming all day every day.

 

[Hostile_18]

What? I already don’t want an all digital future, but a Cloud gaming future would be even worst. Definitely not. I would quit modern gaming and go retro if that happened.

It's a worthy ideal but imagine your favorite franchise gets a sequel. Your internet connection is great now and there is very little discernable difference in graphic fidelity or lag. It would be tough to resist.

I don't want this future, but honestly I think it's going to happen, just not any time soon.

 

[Blond]

Yep.

Cashless society

No physical goods

Internet connections that aren't even stable enough for most of first world

Complete control given to corporations, nothing to consumers that keep them in business

Subscriptions that can fluctuate in pricing at any moment

No consistent game selection

Also, if you think that any of these companies won't try to sell you a propietary piece of hardware to access their services anyway you're crazier than this post implies you are

 

[TLZ]

Console generations can end for you at any time. Just stop buying consoles. Stadia is streaming all day every day.

I thought it's dead.

 

[Kev Kev]

 

[bender]

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I respect the OP preference, but I can't wait to play PS10 with my grandchildren (hopefully).

 

[Craig of War]

It won't be the last generation but Cloud Gaming is the future you guys remember Blockbuster But than Netflix came along and made it obsolete the future waits for no man either get with it or be left behind.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It won't be the last generation but Cloud Gaming is the future you guys remember Blockbuster But than Netflix came along and made it obsolete the future waits for no man either get with it or be left behind.

Electricity and light can't go faster, so latency will always be there.

 

[Craig of War]

Electricity and light can't go faster, so latency will always be there.

Yes but it will come a point where the latency is so small that you won't even be able to notice it like below 5ms.

 

[01011001]

I'm literally putting you on my block list just for making this thread and the fucked up OP

 

[The Cartographer]

I
WANT
TO
OWN
MY
GAMES

 

[Polelock]

Think about what you are about to type prior to doing so @OP

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yes but it will come a point where the latency is so small that you won't even be able to notice it like below 5ms.

I extremely doubt that:

The mean distance, over land, between opposite sides of the Earth is 66.8 light-milliseconds. Communications satellites are typically 1.337 light-milliseconds (low earth orbit) to 119.4 light-milliseconds (geostationary orbit) from the surface of the Earth.

Light-second - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

You would need plenty of servers in each country to get to as low as 50ms total latency (controller to console/device to modem to wires to servers then back to wires to modem to console to TV/monitor/smartphone screen).

 

[Hendrick's]

I think there will be one more at least.

 

[teezzy]

Just build a PC, OP.


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[Rhazer Fusion]

It's a worthy ideal but imagine your favorite franchise gets a sequel. Your internet connection is great now and there is very little discernable difference in graphic fidelity or lag. It would be tough to resist.

I don't want this future, but honestly I think it's going to happen, just not any time soon.

Yeah, I do agree. It’s probably inevitable to be honest. My main problem is I don’t trust the majority of these companies especially when money is involved and with them slowly trying to take our rights away, I think it will lead to much worst things for the industry.

 

[Craig of War]

I extremely doubt that:

The mean distance, over land, between opposite sides of the Earth is 66.8 light-milliseconds. Communications satellites are typically 1.337 light-milliseconds (low earth orbit) to 119.4 light-milliseconds (geostationary orbit) from the surface of the Earth.

Light-second - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

You would need plenty of servers in each country to get to as low as 50ms total latency (controller to console/device to modem to wires to servers then back to wires to modem to console to TV/monitor/smartphone screen).

Technology is always evolving with 5G than 6G and Gigabit Internet it won't stay like that forever.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Technology is always evolving with 5G than 6G and Gigabit Internet it won't stay like that forever.

Let's hope for the better then!

 

[Craig of War]

Let's hope for the better then!

Don't need to hope really it will happen technology never stay still for long.

 

[Redlancet]

Nah, after trying Stadia, xcloud and psnow, having your game on the hd is superior on every way to streaming, so no

 

[Redlancet]

You know I don't blame the negative responses in here and I agree with them as well BUT

Look at physical film/tv media sales vs streaming services.

The past has shown that convenience for a mass market will always win out. The argument Local gaming vs Steaming could be substituted for Physical vs Digital copies .. and look what is winning out. Unfortunately convenience will always be king and quality niche.

You people are always giving the same exámples, cinema and tv are passive, games are active its another different beast

 

[Hostile_18]

You people are always giving the same exámples, cinema and tv are passive, games are active its another different beast

Technology is already half way there in such a realitively short time. I wouldn't bet against it.

Apply it to any market you like Food, Films, Shopping etc convenience always wins out. I doubt gaming will be the exception to the rule, it's already going that way now.

 

[bellome]