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zaitsu
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PS5 IS STRUGLING in 1080P WITH 36 CUs at @2.2 GHz but XSS with 20CUs at 1.55 Ghz manages 1440p ?
Seems logical !
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kyliethicc
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There was clearly a Halo bundle for Xbox, so now they will need to replace that. My guess is a year of game pass. Microsoft usually has 3rd party bundles too, like Madden or NBA, Destiny, AC etc.
For Sony, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s just the system, maybe a Spider-Man as you said. Maybe another launch game for a different market if Spidey isn’t as popular there. And they’ll throw in a free month of PS plus or now or some thing,
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It could target 1440p, but not on the same graphical settings as series x. And i think raytracing is out of the question for lockhart.
DrDamn
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From videos I've watched there is scoring for challenges and leaderboards.
Oh please. The clue is in the name.
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No, it's not what you traditionally call 'a game'.
You "play" it though don't you? Is Minecraft a game?
A game doesn't need all these constructs like scores, clearly defined goals, stats, upgrades etc. It just needs to be something you play surely? If the game needs you to define some of these objectives yourself, or play purely for the challenge of how it plays then it's simply a different approach to what a game is. You can play it how you want, just because it doesn't necessarily tell you how your should play and progress it doesn't make it less of a game.
We should be proud and laud the variety of gameplay experiences this hobby allows for, not shoot down the ones that take an approach we don't like.
kyliethicc
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Idk, it will still be RDNA 2 and have the same CPU, so it should be able to do some RT.
HAL-01
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Xbox will ship with an interactive rendering of Phil spencer talking about the velocity architecture and reassuring you that halo will come eventually
Alex Scott
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Cross-gen games will be fine.
Next gen games on series s will be up in the future.
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BlueXImpulse
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I presume it will perform ray tracing. At a lower resolution.
FeiRR
Banned
Project Philo!
JonnyMP3
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The new Cortana.
Dodkrake
Banned
I did the math. It may very well be able to target very similar graphical settings considering the Series X is 3 times more powerful and the difference between 1440p and 4k is 2.25x the pixel count. Considering efficiency losses from 52CUs vs 20CUs... You get the point.
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danielJackson
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If/when series S is real, it limits series x options.
Want to make ultra good graphics at 1080-1440p/30hz for series x? Cant do that, unles it runs like 720p on series s
So series x is forced to target 4k or series s is forced to have sub 1080p res OR low quality details.
On PS5 devs have option to make 1080p/30hz super ultra graphics game if they choose so.
Want to make ultra good graphics at 1080-1440p/30hz for series x? Cant do that, unles it runs like 720p on series s
So series x is forced to target 4k or series s is forced to have sub 1080p res OR low quality details.
On PS5 devs have option to make 1080p/30hz super ultra graphics game if they choose so.
T-Cake
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I think I would blow a gasket if that ever happened. $600 to still play at 1080p30? The graphics would have to be photorealistic, path traced stuff to get away with that.
sircaw
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Vae_Victis
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No, there is no official logo so far, the only mention of Series S in a Microsoft official document is the (alleged) leaked new controller manual where it's mentioned in the list of compatible devices.
It still makes sense in general, since they did not announce it. Though the time for announcing it, if it really comes out in 2020, is realistically running out.
sircaw
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Ellery
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Neither of them is going to make 1080p 30fps games for the Xbox Series X nor PS5. The consoles are too powerful for that and Sony also wants to sell 4K televisions.
4K is the "baseline" in console gaming this year and will be for the next 7 years. The Series S might be the 1080p 30fps console.
Also like Microsoft has stated before they are not pushing for AAAA games like we are used to from Sony. They are focused on bringing out AA games that you can play on gamepass.
I think it is actually the other way around. Design games with the weaker Xbox Series S in mind and then scale it up for the Series X by increasing resolution, maybe RayTracing and some other settings, but resolution might be enough
ToadMan
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200W? I only saw that they wanted to maintain the same GPU power usage as Xb1 (presumably xb1x)
That suggests 110W to 150W TDP range.
zubairali2
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these ads lmao
geordiemp
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Maybe they dont have a big heat sink or cooler....
I am sure a toaster could run halo at 1440p /s, but it depends on the game and what its doing.
Anything can be a target
geordiemp
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Thirty7ven
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No it’s not. MS knows that if they lose their hardcore the box is done, and the only ones left will be the rest of their broke ass customers responsible for X1 subpar attach ratio.
Hiding the S is all about protecting those customers, telling them that XSX is at the center of their strategy. Fact is that Gamepass is at the center, and a 600$ console is completely at odds with that strategy. The last 12 months have been nothing but MS fighting for the hardcore to not leave in droves towards the PS5.
Announcing the XSS before the hardcore had time to get used to it would be fatal.
And for the fanboys who might read this post and feel otherwise, trying to spin it as some genius move... when Lockhart rumors first surfaced, the vast majority of the Xbox hardcore threw a tantrum. It has taken months for them to feel like otherwise.
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Razvedka
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What's interesting here is that is that to my mind, and despite what some are saying, XSS is a limiting move by Microsoft. The XSX really can't afford to try and go sub 4k on titles now, because if a game is that taxing on the XSX it would mean the XSS would (if it is indeed proportionately as powerful as XSX but @ 1080p) have to go below 1080p to have the same effects. Sony meanwhile can go 2k or 4k on PS5 and not have issues.
Fun Theory Time: Sony can have their games render well below 4k and use A.I. upscaled/checkerboarded cheats to reach 4k. In fact, I wonder how many games we'll see on PS5 that are actually 2k and use advanced trickery to go to 4k and look amazing. XSX in this instance would indeed be the resolution king, but they might not look as pretty. We know that MS has their ML stuff, and Sony probably has some sort of goodies packed onto their die or devkits too given their years long involvement with technology like checkerboarding. This is just wild speculation on my part.
I find all of this pretty funny. PS5 has 'variable clocks', but Xbox has 'variable specs'.
At any rate, the one thing I really want to know more about this next generation is basically the Sony and MS approach to Nvidia's DLSS. Crickets so far as to specifics afaik.
Fun Theory Time: Sony can have their games render well below 4k and use A.I. upscaled/checkerboarded cheats to reach 4k. In fact, I wonder how many games we'll see on PS5 that are actually 2k and use advanced trickery to go to 4k and look amazing. XSX in this instance would indeed be the resolution king, but they might not look as pretty. We know that MS has their ML stuff, and Sony probably has some sort of goodies packed onto their die or devkits too given their years long involvement with technology like checkerboarding. This is just wild speculation on my part.
I find all of this pretty funny. PS5 has 'variable clocks', but Xbox has 'variable specs'.
At any rate, the one thing I really want to know more about this next generation is basically the Sony and MS approach to Nvidia's DLSS. Crickets so far as to specifics afaik.
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By-mission
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NeoGAF is a browser game. You write posts and try to dodge bans brought by mods. Some people succeed, others fail, you get points (reaction scores). It's also cross-platform multiplayer.
Let it go
Lots of laughs here, seriously, I remember user Duskgolem and how he was practically banned from Era ... it's like when EA still cared about Battlefield and you saw a team member playing "hey we have a professional here" and this just stay afk Lol..
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sircaw
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He is brilliant.
I remember the first girl i ever fell in love with, this damn song was playing at the time.
Makes me cry sometimes. Very manly/fishy i know.
If you don't like this, you have no SOUL cough sole
... for people with time on their hands, followed by literally something else on their hands
Pretty faces shame about the thunder thighs. I understand the concept of more 'cushion for the pushin' but yikes, personally it's a turn-off seeing a girl with bigger thighs than mine. Then I did a search for what THICC in your name meant then it all became clear, reminds me of those old paintings of voluptuous (Fat!) nudes... looks as tho they're back in fashion
LoL sorry I'm warring over this, hope I don't get banned cos the MOD prefers THICC girls too
Mod of War
likes whales, you are in trouble my friend, it's game over.I saw him and
AeneaGames
walking down the road together, i thought it was the start of a god damn stampede.Nothing wrong with a bit of meat on the bone but damn, i draw the line at Mama Cass.
for people that don't know who Mama cass is she is from this beauty.
I recall
Gamernyc78
saying he likes thick woman, i think he meant this
Thirty7ven
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It means Sony first party will continue shining bright against the competition. Xbox studios are stuck with that XSS as a target for the next eight years, and X1 as a target for the next 12/24 months.
But considering their cross platform strategy, GaaS and AA focus, it’s clear they don’t aim to compete in terms of pushing cutting edge tech in their productions. They only want “engagement”, they want that MTX hard.
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FeiRR
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I don't think there are a lot of people who'll bite a $600 console with nothing new to offer. It's one thing to come to an anonymous game forum and say how loyal you are to your fav brand but it's a different one to let $600 go from your card, take it home and play the same games you did for the last few years. We can already see that in sales numbers. One Nintendo game sold probably around 10-15 million consoles for them because it hit the right spot of worldwide lockdown. As we're closing to another one due to the return of the pandemic in autumn, millions of people will want something new, shiny and colourful to cheer them up while sitting at home again (I definitely will). A sad Craig isn't an answer.
Phrixotrichus
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native 4k is impossible to uphold with 12tf let alone 10tf.
We´ll be back to 1440p with all the visual bells and whistles and some sort of 4k upscaling in no time.
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Thirty7ven
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Phil Spencer isn’t trying to sell more units than the competition remember?
Ellery
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Yup could be happening. Upscaling technologies and all that. It isn't black and white anymore though I think we are going to see a lot of native 4K games. I even think it is something they should do if the results are as good as what we have seen Playstation do or what Nvidia has done with DLSS 2.0 in Control and Death Stranding.
6 years ago I didn't think it was possible for a 1.8TF PS4 to have games as good looking as TLOU2 to run at native 1080p, but here we are. The Xbox One X red dead redemption 2 running at native 4K (correct me if I am wrong) is also very impressive.
There will be a lot of threads about what games run at what resolution though. Xbox gamers won't let people get away with craiggate when they find out a multi platform title runs at 2160p on series X and 1900p on PS5.
FeiRR
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I seriously wonder what he's trying to do. If Xbox were a separate company, I'd suspect the Nokia strategy but it's their own brand, no need to devalue it for any reason. I'm not concerned by any means, suits me well, just curious.
Phrixotrichus
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But that`s what the power difference will come to...and aside from some board users no one will care...or even see a difference.
Halo infinite clearly shows that next gen optics aren´t defined by resolution and framerate.
On the other hand Sony`s exclusives will have a baseline of 10tf...while Microsoft forces their developers to work with a 4tf machine.
Give a developer like naughty dog or SSM 10tf, and a 1440p/30 target with DLSS(or similar) and let the magic unfold.
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sircaw
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4x more powerful than 2080Ti
how do these fuckers function in the real world.
Vae_Victis
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At this point I seriously think they are mostly throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Think about it, they are leaving all doors open:
- Series X - top gamma, expensive home console
- Series S - mid-range, cheaper home console
- Game Pass - subscription-based access to a gaming library
- Project xCloud - cloud gaming for mobile devices
The fact Microsoft is pushing Game Pass so much in comparison to Series X makes me assume that they did their calculations and decided on what horse it's worth betting the most and which one can just exist and drag along. After all, Series X has direct and serious competition (PS5), Game Pass doesn't, so if people are actually buying it and they see good customer retain projections, why not go all-in and get the untapped market while it is such.
So, for Microsoft right now it's much more important to announce that a game is coming to Game Pass and that you can access it anywhere, rather than how good it will be on Series X. Hence current-gen and PC support, and why the last big event was literally the Game Pass showcase, while not a single second of footage was captured and promoted as coming from an XSX.
mejin
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someone has to find out where these people come from and lock the door....or maybe that's the problem, the door is already locked...damn you, internet.
thurnishaleygw
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BlueXImpulse
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Why stop there? The Series X has better RT than even an RTX 3080Ti!
Yes that evil xbox discord only ones spreading FUD lmao. Yes avowed fable forza inexile AAA rpg will all be AA games lol. I do love the new gaas boogie man guess what single player game just introduced a online co op mode lol.
ArcaneNLSC
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Daniel_Mallorca1985
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The new rumor:
THE:MILKMAN
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Bonsaibäumchen
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Yeah you are absolutly right.
Thats totally anti consumer.
I didn't buy this game to get additional MP shoved dwon my thirsty throat.
Sony are the worst. Never said anything about Ghost of Tsushima getting more content. Never advertising it as a game that will keep on delivering.
They didn't even sell me any season passes or other dlc.
Sony really is disgusting.
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mejin
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Empire Strikes Back
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Well, I think MS is really going for $599. This wait is more because they also want Sony to price it $599 so they are even. Maybe they're willing to go to $499 with Sony but they obviously don't want to lose money unnecessarily so. Then we have both PS5 DE and Lockhart, where Sony doesn't want a cheaper console than the PS5 DE even if less powerful... I wonder if they're okay with a $100 price difference now that they have the best (the only) launch line up. I guess they must be, they can't take losses any further.
But I wonder how Lockhart will be marketed, is it 1080p? Is it 1440p60 (per Tom Warren)? What if people want a cheap 4K console, what they'd do?
But I wonder how Lockhart will be marketed, is it 1080p? Is it 1440p60 (per Tom Warren)? What if people want a cheap 4K console, what they'd do?
I think it is a great thing but I'm not the one pushing the gaas boogie man narrative.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Daniel_Mallorca1985
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