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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Thirty7ven

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I seriously wonder what he's trying to do. If Xbox were a separate company, I'd suspect the Nokia strategy but it's their own brand, no need to devalue it for any reason. I'm not concerned by any means, suits me well, just curious.

To be fair, it's not Phil/MS who decided to devalue the brand. The market did that. They spent the entire generation trying to position Xbox as a premium entertainment brand, with the focus on attracting higher spending customers. It didn't work, it's not the brand they have.

Things MS learned this gen?

- A whole lot of Xbox controllers sold. It's the n1 controller for Windows.
- Xbox consumers buy less games but spend a lot on MTX and services(mandatory gold for F2P helps that).
- It's a FPS box. 7 out of the top 10 best selling games on the console are FPS.
- Xbox first party isn't pulling its weight at all.

So go cross platform, bet on gamepass and gaas, invest on AA to diversify, buy more first party talent. And if all this is true, then why not have a cheaper box out there? They will be targeting low specced PCs anyway.

The strategy is obvious.
 
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Neo Blaster

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Source: 'Dude, trust me'?
 

Vae_Victis

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The new rumor:


Can we stop promoting this fraud? Please, for real? He was NEVER right so far on ANYTHING. NEVER.

I challenge anyone to find ONE THING that he said in the past 6 months that contains an original (so not something that everybody else was already convinced of), punctual (so no "they will show a huge game at the next game event") prediction that turned out to be even half-correct.

His greatest achievement related to gaming journalism is being a former writer for a bottom-of-the-barrel Italian gaming and tech website that scores less than 100 views per article on average. Totally believable that guy has inside sources at BOTH Sony and Microsoft that know information that is probably kept more secreted than Phil Spencer's freaking Social Security number.
 

sircaw

Banned
Can we stop promoting this fraud? Please, for real? He was NEVER right so far on ANYTHING. NEVER.

I challenge anyone to find ONE THING that he said in the past 6 months that contains an original (so not something that everybody else was already convinced of), punctual (so no "they will show a huge game at the next game event") prediction that turned out to be even half-correct.

His greatest achievement related to gaming journalism is being a former writer for a bottom-of-the-barrel Italian gaming and tech website that scores less than 100 views per article on average. Totally believable that guy has inside sources at BOTH Sony and Microsoft that know information that is probably kept more secreted than Phil Spencer's freaking Social Security number.

I trust Phil, so i trust this guy too. :messenger_grimmacing_
 

Thirty7ven

Banned
Yes that evil xbox discord only ones spreading FUD lmao. Yes avowed fable forza inexile AAA rpg will all be AA games lol. I do love the new gaas boogie man guess what single player game just introduced a online co op mode lol.

Either you have something worth to say or you don't.

Forza is going gaas.

Fable/Avowed/Inxile AAA RPG? I mean, the desperation is real. Let's wait and see what these games are first yes? Because right now they either CGI teasers or Linkdin profile hopes. You don't know what type of games these are, how big they are in scope, etc

The ability Xbox PR has of convincing their fans that there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is to be commended. A never ending quest, always a few years away.
 

Felessan

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Yup could be happening. Upscaling technologies and all that. It isn't black and white anymore though I think we are going to see a lot of native 4K games.
Indie and smaller games will go for 4k. Bigger games will eventually try to push visual fidelity, reducing resolution in process.
I and many others will prefer UE5 demo level of graphics at 1440@30 to native 4k and/or 60 fps in non-competitve fast paced games (i.e. multiplayer shooters, fightings and race games).
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
Just like Shu said a year before the PS4 launched. “Let them dream”. This is astroturfing at its absolute peak, someone’s wet dream. They’ll be disappointed when reality hits hard and fast soon enough.

These guys are clowns, mental illness and infatuation is real. I'll be home playing the best games on my ps5 while these dudes online still looking for the secret sauce 😂😂like I was doing during the mistermedia days 😊
 

JonnyMP3

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These guys are clowns, mental illness and infatuation is real. I'll be home playing the best games on my ps5 while these dudes online still looking for the secret sauce 😂😂like I was doing during the mistermedia days 😊
The best thing is that they all put up numbers as some form of winning metric... 12TF>10.3TF.

Well according to NDP 'Numbers'
150K PS4>17K X1
That's a ratio of 9-10:1 at the tail end of the current generation.

It is mentally ill that they think 12TF with no games is going to somehow claw back all that market share.
 

FeiRR

Banned
The best thing is that they all put up numbers as some form of winning metric... 12TF>10.3TF.

Well according to NDP 'Numbers'
150K PS4>17K X1
That's a ratio of 9-10:1 at the tail end of the current generation.

It is mentally ill that they think 12TF with no games is going to somehow claw back all that market share.
I think it's quite possible that PS4 is going to sell more this Holiday season than both Xbox consoles.
 

CrysisFreak

Banned
About that Serrano guy:
If, and that's a big if, PS5 Digital and Series S have the same price, MS straight up deserves to be BTFO, at that point it would be self harm to buy the ultra gimped console instead of a PS5.
Then again I doubt that's the case but if it is oh boy that would be embarrassing.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
No we are on the "Xbox has a trillion dollars and are a software company so you know the software and games will be better" 😂 😂 😂 😂 😭😭 koolaide. We know how thts been going for about a decade. Let tht sink in slowly and firmly lol

And we are yet to see ray tracing on XSX. Oh wait, we haven't seen any gameplay on XSX to begin with, maybe the XSX software is too good to make games for? And yet we hear about 4K difficulties by devs on PS5.

That's called the "mirror" effect, reflecting your own problems on others. 🤷‍♂️
 

sircaw

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The best thing is that they all put up numbers as some form of winning metric... 12TF>10.3TF.

Well according to NDP 'Numbers'
150K PS4>17K X1
That's a ratio of 9-10:1 at the tail end of the current generation.

It is mentally ill that they think 12TF with no games is going to somehow claw back all that market share.

Listen ewe, none of that logic shit around here, i get enough of that garbage from geordiemp geordiemp , who i might add chickened the fuck out the other night when i challenged him to a technical duel. COWARD. Missed his chance.

This is a speculation thread, GAMES DO NOT MATTER TO A CONSOLE. Also, some companies don't care if you buy their console, so games are the least of the problem.
 

Darklor01

Might need to stop sniffing glue
He is brilliant.

I remember the first girl i ever fell in love with, this damn song was playing at the time.

Makes me cry sometimes. Very manly/fishy i know.
If you don't like this, you have no SOUL cough sole




@Mod of War likes whales, you are in trouble my friend, it's game over.

I saw him and @AeneaGames walking down the road together, i thought it was the start of a god damn stampede.

Nothing wrong with a bit of meat on the bone but damn, i draw the line at Mama Cass.

for people that don't know who Mama cass is she is from this beauty.

I recall Gamernyc78 Gamernyc78 saying he likes thick woman, i think he meant this



I loved that Mr. Big song. Great tune. I lost my virginity with a girl to:


Soooo many songs to accidentally derail the thread with... accidentally. But, at this point, this thread is kind of a catch all for all sorts of things. It's possibly saving other threads from being ruined.

Stuff about Rocksteady and failing to address sexual harassment issues, or.. something else some "insider" said. I won't ever do that though.
 

sircaw

Banned
I loved that Mr. Big song. Great tune. I lost my virginity with a girl to:


Soooo many songs to accidentally derail the thread with... accidentally. But, at this point, this thread is kind of a catch all for all sorts of things. It's possibly saving other threads from being ruined.

Stuff about Rocksteady and failing to address sexual harassment issues, or.. something else some "insider" said. I won't ever do that though.


It is a great tune, then a few days later you get this in return when you declare your undying love for her

 

ZywyPL

Banned
If Series S and PS5 DE are the same price the S is dead in the water. Who the hell is gonna pay the same price for half the machine?

I don't think we will see such a scenario, I mean, even MS knows how terrible offer the Series S would be next to PS5 DE at the same price point. But if Sony is indeed willing to take a 100$ hit for a 20$ BD, then so is MS, so subtracting 100$ from 299-349$ instead of 499-549$ would create unprecedented value in the eyes of an average consumer.
 

BGs

Industry Professional
What wonderful memories.

HMZ T1
HMZ T2
HMZ T3
HMZ T3W
PSVR 1
PSVR 2
PSVR 2W?
....

I am aware of this offer from Sony (which does not specify PlayStation, anyway that means nothing) and many others also from Sony. The important thing is that the new technology is already functional. Sony has always been very interested in these types of devices. And he has a lot of experience and failures. And from it you learn and improve. PSVR2 will be awesome when they decide to launch it.
 

Sethbacca

Member
I don't think we will see such a scenario, I mean, even MS knows how terrible offer the Series S would be next to PS5 DE at the same price point. But if Sony is indeed willing to take a 100$ hit for a 20$ BD, then so is MS, so subtracting 100$ from 299-349$ instead of 499-549$ would create unprecedented value in the eyes of an average consumer.

Yeah it all depends on the pricing but if they end up being the same then yikes.
 

T-Cake

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There's an interesting article on Digital Foundry from 2013 about the PS4 having two different memory busses with different amounts of bandwidth - Onion and Garlic. Which to me sounds very much like the XSX having two different speeds for its CPU/GPU memory. What do you think?


The PS4 operates a system where memory is allocated either to the CPU or GPU, using two separate memory buses.

"One's called the Onion, one's called the Garlic bus. Onion is mapped through the CPU caches... This allows the CPU to have good access to memory," explains Jenner.

"Garlic bypasses the CPU caches and has very high bandwidth suitable for graphics programming, which goes straight to the GPU. It's important to think about how you're allocating your memory based on what you're going to put in there."

Jenner wouldn't go into details on the levels of bandwidth available for each bus owing to confidentiality agreements, but based on our information the GPU has full access to the 176GB/s bandwidth of the PS4's GDDR5 via Garlic, while the Onion gets by with a significantly lower amount, somewhere in the 20GB/s region.
 

geordiemp

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Listen ewe, none of that logic shit around here, i get enough of that garbage from geordiemp geordiemp , who i might add chickened the fuck out the other night when i challenged him to a technical duel. COWARD. Missed his chance.

This is a speculation thread, GAMES DO NOT MATTER TO A CONSOLE. Also, some companies don't care if you buy their console, so games are the least of the problem.

Come on then you chicken, that was just a flesh wound.

 

Handy Fake

Member
I loved that Mr. Big song. Great tune. I lost my virginity with a girl to:


Soooo many songs to accidentally derail the thread with... accidentally. But, at this point, this thread is kind of a catch all for all sorts of things. It's possibly saving other threads from being ruined.

Stuff about Rocksteady and failing to address sexual harassment issues, or.. something else some "insider" said. I won't ever do that though.

My Ma walked on me playing that full blast once and glances were exchanged.
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
The best thing is that they all put up numbers as some form of winning metric... 12TF>10.3TF.

Well according to NDP 'Numbers'
150K PS4>17K X1
That's a ratio of 9-10:1 at the tail end of the current generation.

It is mentally ill that they think 12TF with no games is going to somehow claw back all that market share.

Beyond tht nextbox is only better marginally in one respect while ps5 architecture as a whole is more innovative and better. This is not a win win on their end like thy believe.
 
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