Agnostic2020
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Lol the fact that we need to explain this to people is ridiculous. It is so obvious and common sense .
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IGN Xbox executive editor :I was wrong . Past hardware DOES holds back next hardware
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Agnostic2020
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It’s always nice to watch a hot mess(like when cars stop to watch an accident) and their marketing is a hot mess so People cant take their eyes off
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Agreed, I guess it really depends what kind of games they are going to shoot for this gen. Are we finally going to have 60fps standard with slightly better graphics then current gen or back to the 20-30fps with much better graphics. Sure the former would be easier to do then the later for scaling purposes.
I personally hope for more 60fps games, hardest thing about going back to consoles is the frame rate.
jimbojim
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diffusionx
Gold Member
As always it depends on the game you're making. But let's think this through. What is Halo Infinite supposed to be? A Halo game? Well both H2A and Halo 5 look very good, and games like Gears 5 also look great on Xbox One. An open world game? Lots of great looking open world games this gen.
I don't think anyone would have been upset had the Halo Infinite video had a game that looked like Horizon Zero Dawn. So the problem is not that the game is running on this gen, the problem is the game has bad graphics.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Selective memory.
JTCx
Member
"Console generations are a thing of the past and exclusives are very anti consumer"how the tables have turned, they were even calling Sony anti consumer and now even Halo might drop the xbox1 version
"Not what gaming is about"
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jimbojim
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When MS barking, i mean Phil Spencer, nonsense left and right, who wouldn't mock Phil
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digoutyoursoul
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It's easy to find. Just google IGN 720p
Anyway, it's gold
Never saw it before, damn that’s poor damage control from him isn’t it.
Mahadev
Member
Devs go for better graphics over framerate every single time because that's what sells in AAA development. People ask this question every new gen, I stopped wondering long ago.
Entroyp
Member
Actually this is not the case (I think). Both XsX and XsS will have (tentatively) the same CPU and SSD so no need to change the game’s design other than lower resolution and/or framerate.
4 TF does feel a bit low though.
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Matsuchezz
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Phil Spicer is full of it. He reminds me of this:
And when Phil Spencer talks every women is ovulating and men have huge erections.
And when Phil Spencer talks every women is ovulating and men have huge erections.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Yeah I shouldn’t get my hopes up. Prob only games that will do it are last gen games like Destiny 2 and MS up ports. Vast majority of new stuff will be 30fps at best. Disappointing but that’s what PCs are for.
Agnostic2020
Member
The ram might limit destruction for xss for instance as XSS has only 4 GB ram for GPU. (3.5 GB for other game tasks and 2.5 go for os (total of 10 gb)). 4 gb For gpu might not be enough for next gen destruction leading to devs scaling the destruction back for both.
this is just one example
Shambala
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DaGwaphics
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This! They could do cross-gen if they built the software for the next-gen system and then had another team create the best port of the game they could on the old hardware. Basically the same principle as RotTR on 360 or most of the switch ports.
DaGwaphics
Member
Where did those hardline numbers come from? What bus you think they are going with, how many chips?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Not really the only things gimped on the Series S are the GPU and "slow RAM".
With the same CPU and SSD, its relatively easy to scale back graphics.
Series S to Series X is more like 2 GPUs from the same generation trying to run the same game.
Series X to Xbox O is more like a 10 year old mid/low range computer trying to compete with a good gaming PC from 2019.
Anyone with an old i7 970 can attest to how hard it is to get to 60fps in game today...but atleast you can brute force the graphic settings.
If you also had a GPU from 10 years ago.....most games will straight up say fuck you if you try to launch them.
Mahadev
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You’re the same doncabesa on resetera that posted this
.. You seem hurt
Sooooooooo launch games never existed huh? Nice to know!
Elginer
Member
Everyone knew this shit, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to have called this but MS gives no fucks. It’s why I’ll keep
My One X around for bc and gamepass stuff but going PS5 first for next gen. What good is it having a power house of a damn system if you’re not going to fully use it.
My One X around for bc and gamepass stuff but going PS5 first for next gen. What good is it having a power house of a damn system if you’re not going to fully use it.
Agnostic2020
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CamHostage
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Well, so PC does kind of have "generations", right? You can always scale within a certain range, but there are limits where it can't just "run badly", it just cannot run or it doesn't have the graphical features to display the world properly or the compression system cannot play audio/video materials (yes, I'm old...) or what have you that'll break it. The range always makes it feel like anything's possible on a toaster if you just kick the settings down low enough, but at some point a technology comes along that's optional in that range for a few games when it's new tech and then integral to games going forward as the hardware feature becomes ubiquitous.
And I can kind of see why Microsoft was thinking that, despite the enormous power difference, there was still going to be a long window where games were still working within that range before severing the generation fully (especially since they'd still be compiling two different versions of the product, unlike with PC where it's the same unless you had separate 32/64bit executeables or something like that.) Development engine suites are designed to spit out everything from mobile phone games to not-realtime Hollywood VFX, and technology is mercifully modular these days, so as long as there wasn't anything holding back the next-gen from going all out, why not get 2 for the price of 1?
It didn't really work out that easy, though...
Reallink
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Problems will arise though when you're talking about games 2 or 3 years in that may want to push so far that Series X struggles with 1440p geometry and sub-1080p buffers (e.g. alphas, volumetrics, dof, etc...). Are MS going to certify games running 720p geometry and 480p buffers on their "Next Gen" Series S? Of course not, and no developers are going to push the envelope that far for that very reason. Series S will be a stumbling block for the entire generation.
JTCx
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Its quite telling. Avowed had xbox one removed after the trailer dropped. I wonder why?
www.rpgsite.net
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Obsidian Entertainment announces Avowed for Xbox Series X and Windows 10 | RPG Site
A first-person RPG set in the Pillars of Eternity world of Eora.
www.rpgsite.net
DeepEnigma
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I don’t know man, Phil Spencer said it was a meme.
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Agnostic2020
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It effectively makes XSX an up-resolution machine for XSS.
Entroyp
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Actually, I don’t buy the whole 1440p rumored marketing for Lockhart. This is a 1080p machine for sure.
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sircaw
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Grinchy
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I'm shocked that anyone who has been around for a while couldn't see this on day 1 of the PR spin. You don't even really need to be some expert in software engineering or anything. It's common sense.
Watching so many people drink the Kool-Aid was such a bizarre phase, but I'm glad we're already past it. Next up, we need people to start admitting that a 4TF baseline console that all 3rd parties have to set as their target will hold things back, too.
Watching so many people drink the Kool-Aid was such a bizarre phase, but I'm glad we're already past it. Next up, we need people to start admitting that a 4TF baseline console that all 3rd parties have to set as their target will hold things back, too.
PresetError
Neophyte
Supplies motherfucker!
Common sense is hard to bypass, even when it doesn't fit your business model.
Common sense is hard to bypass, even when it doesn't fit your business model.
Props to Ryan. I really like him. He is the biggest Xbox fan outhere without being a fanboy. Always acknowledging what the competition does well.
So respect for changing his stance there. Even if I think it's way too early, the consoles are not even out.
So respect for changing his stance there. Even if I think it's way too early, the consoles are not even out.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Its quite telling. Avowed had xbox one removed after the trailer dropped. I wonder why?
.Obsidian Entertainment announces Avowed for Xbox Series X and Windows 10 | RPG Site
A first-person RPG set in the Pillars of Eternity world of Eora.
Did it ever say Xbox One?
Danjin44
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Its thanks to its talented artists, you can have the most advance tech but in the end its the artists that will make the game look gorgeous.
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Agnostic2020
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East :just saying xbox has more CU and more powerful And smells betterUNBAN EASTWOOD PLEASE.
i wanna see his spin to this.
but Eastwood we are not talking about that?
East: what?? U r too sensitive u sony fanboy?
But this is a different subj...
East: Sony fanboys are the worst .you cant handle xsx 497% more powerfull than PS5.PS5 RDNA 0.36 5tf effective with jaguar cpu and 4 gb of ram and severely overheating. Cerny is lying .
how did i do?
sircaw
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East :just saying xbox has more CU and more powerful And smells better
but Eastwood we are not talking about that?
East: what?? U r too sensitive u sony fanboy?
But this is a different subj...
East: Sony fanboys are the worst .you cant handle xsx 497% more powerfull than PS5.PS5 RDNA 0.36 5tf effective with jaguar cpu and 4 gb of ram and severely overheating. Cerny is lying .
how did i do?
for a second i thought you were his alt lol
Michael Hawk
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It was only a matter of time before IGN realized that tethering new technology to outdated technology is not a good move. That is the nicest way to put it.
Shadow of Mordor is a clear cut example of a game that had to sacrifice certain gameplay mechanics (the nemesis system) to be able to run on last gen hardware. Not everything is 'scalable'.
tryDEATH
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Well, he is wrong and drank the actual Kool-Aid that games can't be designed with varying requirements and performance levels.
MSFS is the perfect proof of that as it is supposed to be a Next Gen game, but on PC has requirement specs that spans all the way back to 2013 hardware with the GTX 770 being the minimum required GPU and all the way up to the 2080TI, which is unable to fully max the game. There is clearly enough room to be able to execute cross generation games for a year or two more especially for titles that have already been in development for 2 to 3 years with Xbox One is mind.
MSFS is the perfect proof of that as it is supposed to be a Next Gen game, but on PC has requirement specs that spans all the way back to 2013 hardware with the GTX 770 being the minimum required GPU and all the way up to the 2080TI, which is unable to fully max the game. There is clearly enough room to be able to execute cross generation games for a year or two more especially for titles that have already been in development for 2 to 3 years with Xbox One is mind.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Right or Wrong, Ryan is a clown.
Reallink
Member
It does, and what's more, their broader goal was actually to make Series S and Series X high frame rate machines for base Xbone...which is hopefully blowing up in their face with the disastrous Halo and the apparently canceled last-gen version of Fable, Forza, Etc...
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Agnostic2020
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They fumble like its their first year in gaming market. They should have known this shit after 20 years of being in this industry ffs lol
GHG
Member
He stopped drinking, had a bit of a detox and finally managed to piss the kool-aid out of his system.
Anyone else still drunk should do the same.
Can you makeup more shit than those mr x what his face is. Fable, forza, avowed have always been next only since they are past the cross period. The whole 1 or 2 cross generation games lol that the warriors are fighting over. If cross generation is so bad you all should go after Sony to not certify any cross generation games period.
DarkMage619
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So you can't prove anything is being held back then. Technically you can ALWAYS wait for something better to come out. It's the nature of technology. But this is business and sometimes you have to pull the trigger and develop a game based on the technology you have available. Your Shadow of Mordor example only shows how they could release multiple versions of a game if they want to expand on a game. TLOU1 came out on PS3 and PS4. Did the PS4 game really expand on what was done on PS3?
It doesn't look like an long list of titles that are being 'held back'. Maybe Everwild like you said but at this point I still don't know what sort of game Rare wants to make and if it dropped X1 support I don't think anyone would care. Should Grounded for the X1 be dropped? It's running on X1 NOW. The 'held back' narrative is a meme used as another knock against the Xbox brand. Pretty much every generation from the original Xbox and on has had games that were on both the old and new platforms.
Now today there is a loud chorus of people talking about games being 'held back' but there are only 4 cross gen X1/XSX MS developed games?! This is worth saying the sky is falling over? Especially seeing how any 3rd party (MS never mandated 3rd parties make X1 vers.) would have to make a PS4 version too! Sony is holding back next gen right? I could see if you were talking about the XSS but we have even LESS evidence that that is holding anything back seeing how it has the higher performing CPU. That is what people are claiming is the major with issue with X1. Too bad Ryan decided to feed into this narrative. Now it will never die but it will be funny to see how badly the generation is hurt due to the Xbox 'holding everything back' tale.
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Mercenary09
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Xbox fanboy falls for Xbox PR talk. Is anyone really surprised? Ryan has always been a little fanboy and it's what I can't stand about him. He is supposed to be a main figure for a gaming publication but his favoritism for one box leads to him constantly saying stupid shit. Yeah PlayStation was real anti-consumer for making PS5 exclusive games huh Ryan.
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