Knitted Knight
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Multiplayer snippet looked kinda interesting. Need to see way more before I ever get back to that franchise.
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Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War Gameplay (Gameplay captured on Playstation 5)
Reindeer
Member
Obviously smh, but that wasn't what our argument was about, it was about previous gen games maxed on PC looking better than current gen consoles games. This was your whole argument. Show me where GTA 5 or GTA 4 on PC looks better than RDR2 on PS4.
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ethomaz
Banned
The video just shows what I said... it doesn't look like the PC maxed version of others games including Crysis... and it is a bad video that did not show how it looks on PS4.... so for reference it looks a bit better than the video.
Reindeer
Member
LOL. What other games? so far you only brought up Crysis.
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ethomaz
Banned
itsjustJEFF
Member
For a cross-gen game, I say that looks pretty good. It would be great to get more info on the "next-gen" upgrades aka FPS, Effects aka RT, stuff like that.
Edit: that dude with the aviator shades looks like Robert Redford or Brad Pitt's character from that movie (sorry I can't recall what it is)
Edit: that dude with the aviator shades looks like Robert Redford or Brad Pitt's character from that movie (sorry I can't recall what it is)
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Reindeer
Member
RDR2 running on PS4 looks much better, unless you one of those people that think resolution means graphics lol.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
CoD is cross gen and 60 fps just like Halo and will be held back just like Halo.Not all of us care about Call Of Duty to that degree and I'd believe with the hardware difference, such a thing running in real time would actually be expected.
You telling me a fucking game running on 2013 1.8TFLOP hardware did this, yet we shouldn't expect 10FLOPS to look better or something? My fault for expecting almost 10x the power to have anyone come close to a last gen game I guess...
We should see character models that look like that next gen, but comparing CG characters created by outside CG studios to in game characters is as dumb as it gets.
This is what Kevin Spacey looks like in CG cutscenes and in ingame cutscenes. If Reagan gets ingame cutscenes he will not look like that.
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ethomaz
Banned
I can't even lol
You need to play RDR2 on PS4 man.
Maybe you like the RDR2 art style... I give you that.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Did anyone else read that the new CoD will have Hitman inspired level design and stress player choice? Or was I dreaming?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This is why we shouldve banned VFX Veteran a long time ago. He's clearly a bad influence on other gaffers.
EDMIX
Member
nah, just stop man. This doesn't even TOUCH what Red Dead Redemption 2 looks like on PS4 and XONE. Having better resolution and framerate can't make up for last gen assets. Its just a bad argument and makes less and less sense as you go on trying your hardest to make it work.
GTAIV or V on PC is not going to look better then Red Dead Redemption 2 on PS4 or XONE....
Resident Evil 4, 5 and 6 on PC is NOT going to fucking look better then Resident Evil 2 remake, 3 remake and RE7 on PS4 or XONE as YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT ENGINE!
Resolution and framerate can only go so far, its why you are not listing GTA3 on PC looking better then GTAIV or GTAV on PS3....
Can you make GTAIII run in better resolution and framerate on PC vs what GTAV and GTAIV look like on PS3 and 360? Well sure..... it won't put the game in a new fucking engine.
Metal Gear Solid 2 or 3 on PC....won't look as good as Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3.
Assassins Creed 1,2 or 3 on PC clearly won't look as good as Unity, Odyssey etc do on PS4 or XONE.
PC does not have this magical "next gen" button where just buying new hardware make the game look like real life or something.
You can make an argument for 2 games being on 2 systems that the PC version will look better outside of just bad development aka Arkham Knight, you can't when a game is literally running on a better engine.....
The older PC title NOT running on that engine means no matter how much great hardware you pack in, its not magically going to make the game create new assets and animations and be better then a new engine etc. Its not how any of this works.
Reindeer
Member
The problem is people are running with these CG models as something that's related to PS5. We may as well see models that look like that or even better on next gen consoles, but these are not it.
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EDMIX
Member
CoD is cross gen and 60 fps just like Halo and will be held back just like Halo.
We should see character models that look like that next gen, but comparing CG characters created by outside CG studios to in game characters is as dumb as it gets.
This is what Kevin Spacey looks like in CG cutscenes and in ingame cutscenes. If Reagan gets ingame cutscenes he will not look like that.
Well consider my argument is that "We should see character models that look like that" in the first place. I'm not debating what CGI is, I'm questioning why a current gen title is outperforming a cross gen one and why they are not even meeting what RE2 remake or The Last Of Us 2 character models look like in real time.
@Dinky "well see characters that look like that on next gen consoles, but these are not it"
agreed. My point is simply that they should be considering what we've seen already this gen. Maybe Naughty Dog is far better then we think if everyone else needs next gen hardware just to meet their last gen offerings.
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manfestival
Member
This looks like a $70 game
Fake
Member
Will have another gameplay date, but this time with the multiplayer.
Reindeer
Member
I just think their priorities are different. It's probably hard to design state of the art character models when you have to run a game at stabe 60fps on base consoles all the while having tons of explosions and effects going on throughout most of the game.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
People are saying it's 40 hours long and has open non-linear Hitman-esque levels with a character creator and dialogue options.
.. "Here's what we learned, centring around the game's setting and story, a cast of new and returning characters and a newfound focus on player freedom - one that even manifests in a character creator, dialogue options and Hitman-style nonlinear levels"...
.. "Here's what we learned, centring around the game's setting and story, a cast of new and returning characters and a newfound focus on player freedom - one that even manifests in a character creator, dialogue options and Hitman-style nonlinear levels"...
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Fake
Member
Not all of us care about Call Of Duty to that degree and I'd believe with the hardware difference, such a thing running in real time would actually be expected.
You telling me a fucking game running on 2013 1.8TFLOP hardware did this, yet we shouldn't expect 10FLOPS to look better or something? My fault for expecting almost 10x the power to have anyone come close to a last gen game I guess...
How can you guys bring TLOUS2 to a Call of Duty thread? Jez.
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Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I bought straight away so I have a new shooter to play with a new console. Looks like Call of Duty. I buy Call of Duty for what Call of Duty brings.
I hope this is another good entry into the series. I’ll be interested in finding out what the next-gen visuals look like when those patches become available.
The most disappointing thing so far was seeing a $10 price increase to get the next-gen update. I guess they don’t care that they are among the only titles out there charging more off the bat like this. They aren’t even stating when they next gen patch would be available.
I hope this is another good entry into the series. I’ll be interested in finding out what the next-gen visuals look like when those patches become available.
The most disappointing thing so far was seeing a $10 price increase to get the next-gen update. I guess they don’t care that they are among the only titles out there charging more off the bat like this. They aren’t even stating when they next gen patch would be available.
Piggoro
Member
God fucking dammit! Why?! They don't use MW2019 engine!
charlieintel.com
Black Ops Cold War engine gets revamp to give modern take on 1980s - Charlie INTEL
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War brings the franchise to the next-generation of consoles when it launches in November. Raven Software’s technical
charlieintel.com
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EDMIX
Member
True. They've always put that ahead of everything else.
Easy, its relevant. Consider Resident Evil 2 remake, Resident Evil 3 remake and many other games were also cited.
Piggoro
Well the article does state "Treyarch says that while the teams share the ‘underlying technology,’ the engine and technology being used in Black Ops Cold War was created back in 2015. Bunting says that the team worked hard to revamp and re-build a lot of their tools starting with Black Ops 3, and Black Ops Cold War showcases the power of what they were able to do. It’s important to focus on making tools and specific functionality versus a whole engine, and that’s where they focused. The tool set built with this game was intended to be scalable and broad to work on future platforms, including PS5 and Xbox Series X. The teams are sharing tools, but there is new stuff in Black Ops Cold War"
So it simply sounds like it doesn't use it verbatim, like its their version of it which I have no issue with. I'd argue that true with most games that share the same engine that any new entry uses it to a degree, but a team is still going to add in certain things to fit their game.
VN1X
Banned
Oh noes...
If anything they needed to in order to fix that godawful audio design (no idea if an engine revamp is required for that but this is my hot take for today).God fucking dammit! Why?! They don't use MW2019 engine!
Black Ops Cold War engine gets revamp to give modern take on 1980s - Charlie INTEL
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War brings the franchise to the next-generation of consoles when it launches in November. Raven Software’s technical
Fake
Member
So, put as many as SS of them.
Andodalf
Banned
God fucking dammit! Why?! They don't use MW2019 engine!
Black Ops Cold War engine gets revamp to give modern take on 1980s - Charlie INTEL
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War brings the franchise to the next-generation of consoles when it launches in November. Raven Software’s technical
This is how Cod has always worked. Each studio has its own fork of the engine.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
God fucking dammit! Why?! They don't use MW2019 engine!
Black Ops Cold War engine gets revamp to give modern take on 1980s - Charlie INTEL
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War brings the franchise to the next-generation of consoles when it launches in November. Raven Software’s technical
Because it's been in development for at least 3 years, they have rotating companies making CoD games that each have 3 year dev cycles.
Reindeer
Member
So it's not even their new engine and people were losing their mind and calling it next gen because of CG cutscenes? Lol, that's internet in a nutshell.Black Ops Cold War engine gets revamp to give modern take on 1980s - Charlie INTEL
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War brings the franchise to the next-generation of consoles when it launches in November. Raven Software’s technical
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Looks really good. Always down for the good old COD (the ones without jetpack and wall running)
I agree with most though that it only looks slightly better than the MW2019 did on the PS4Pro or X1X. This is expected. As the engine develops, hopefully we'll see improvements in the next few iterations.
I agree with most though that it only looks slightly better than the MW2019 did on the PS4Pro or X1X. This is expected. As the engine develops, hopefully we'll see improvements in the next few iterations.
VN1X
Banned
The gameplay snippets shown did look really impressive, visually speaking.
Remember all that shit's running at 60fps (on both consoles, relax fanboys!). So yeah, while it obviously won't be a true next-gen game it still seems it's once again a (baby) step up from the previous title. If anything I'd assume they'll be all over them Raytracingz and Rateshadez and 4Kz. Even more so than MW.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Why not show pc graphics instead.
Yeah mmr and battle passes are super cool.
Booted up cod wwii multiplayer on Steam again and god I missed that pace.
Yeah mmr and battle passes are super cool.
Booted up cod wwii multiplayer on Steam again and god I missed that pace.
Reindeer
Member
Because Sony moneybag exists
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Ah yeah, I forgot these console manufacturer idiots like to spend money on third party shit.
Reindeer
Member
I can't blame them, that's how advertising works.
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yep.
chigstoke
Member
Making it open makes sense. The game alters the ending depending on your actions from what I read.People are saying it's 40 hours long and has open non-linear Hitman-esque levels with a character creator and dialogue options.
.. "Here's what we learned, centring around the game's setting and story, a cast of new and returning characters and a newfound focus on player freedom - one that even manifests in a character creator, dialogue options and Hitman-style nonlinear levels"...
I'm assuming multiple pathways to goal completion, choice of kill/keep alive, killing the wrong person etc... Which would be pretty cool to see in a CoD game.
Reindeer
Member
So you are not playing as particular character, rather they let you choose appearance and gender. Not sure I like that personally. Different ways to tackle a mission and having side missions does sound interesting. And contrary to rumours, Treyarch have nothing to do with single player, they're working on multiplayer part of the game.
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
These guys know how to do performance scaling (assuming the PS4 version is alright).
Geki-D
Banned
Halo's cut scene was in real time, that's why it went from the cut scene straight to gameplay.
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Bolivar687
Banned
Watched the trailer again. I would say except for the two intel meetings (the one with Reagan and the chalkboard), pretty much everything else you see are in-campaign visuals. Anyone saying otherwise clearly doesn't play CoD.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Perspective.
Single player, slow movement, 30fps, 3-4 (high details characters) max on screen
vs
Single player, Multiplayer, really fast movement, 60fps, likely 4k, 20+ character models on screen with explosions and other things going on.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
The other guy was asking how a game looking like this could be made to run on a base PS4... the other guy had some examples for him.
This footage is on PS5 anyway, so we have to wait and see how it will unfold on the PS4/PRO, the game should have been made for these anyway.... maybe we will get lower resolution and less stable frame rate than in the last CoD.
HaveButOneLife
Banned
Don't know what that one guy was talking about, this is one of the best looking FPS games I've seen, until the next Battlefield game arrives at least (at least CoD has caught up in many ways graphically... but Frostbite is Frostbite).
There's gameplay in the trailer (first person snippets), it's pretty much half in-game half pre-rendered footage.
This game looks tremendously better than TLOU2, though. We're mainly seeing better lighting with raytracing and higher resolutions and frame rates right now, but these comparisons will not be drawn on games as the generation goes on. Either way, let's stop comparing games that have half the frame rate, especially when the next gen games are also cross gen and had development issues.
Mind you this game was made in 2 years with 3 years of development being scrapped.
There's gameplay in the trailer (first person snippets), it's pretty much half in-game half pre-rendered footage.
30FPS and daylight time looks mediocre.Not all of us care about Call Of Duty to that degree and I'd believe with the hardware difference, such a thing running in real time would actually be expected.
You telling me a fucking game running on 2013 1.8TFLOP hardware did this, yet we shouldn't expect 10FLOPS to look better or something? My fault for expecting almost 10x the power to have anyone come close to a last gen game I guess...
This game looks tremendously better than TLOU2, though. We're mainly seeing better lighting with raytracing and higher resolutions and frame rates right now, but these comparisons will not be drawn on games as the generation goes on. Either way, let's stop comparing games that have half the frame rate, especially when the next gen games are also cross gen and had development issues.
Mind you this game was made in 2 years with 3 years of development being scrapped.
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EDMIX
Member
I didn't think there was a need to. I didn't even want to post a whole list of games as 1 game example is fine to prove what hardware from 2013 can pull off.
You are upset that I'm posting screens from The Last Of Us 2 in a Call Of Duty thread, yet asking me to post even more screens of other games mentioned?
So....you question why a game is referenced in a Call Of Duty thread and then recommend I post more screens of other games not being Call Of Duty? So....I mean I'll do that if its ok, simply need to have a solid understanding of what you are even ok with as I honestly didn't want to post some long list of screens of other titles as I didn't want to derail the thread, but I feel its relevant considering we are talking about what can be done on current gen hardware. So I'll post what I was going to post before, but understand its because you are seemly ok with them being equal to the number for screens posted about The Last Of Us 2.
Completely forgot about Death Stranding.
Someone stated it earlier that it might not have anything to do with CG vs real time as much as it as to do with the team focusing on using CG for cut scenes and wanting to get the game at high frames no matter what. As its not to say it can't be done, simply that the team chooses not to as I'd have a hard time believing that several teams can produce this level of quality on 2013 hardware, yet not be feasible based on what we saw for a team to pull that off on newer hardware.
I doubt frostbite will be industry leader anymore since most of the lead graphics programming leads have left dice.