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[Games Dean]

So first off PS5's are supposedly already in production right? then we are told Sony is doubling their order and hope to have 10 million out the door by the end of fiscal year but someone is starting a rumor about a lottery situation because Sony is sending out early pre-order sign ups to customers who spend a lot of money? That just seems dumb, they are trying to get their better customers to switch over asap so they'll stay locked into the PlayStation ecosystem.

Sony's fiscal year ends in the Spring. Those extra consoles won't be ready for Holiday.

 

[Darklor01]

Just popping out to get some bread and milk sweetheart

Returns with Ps5 lol

You laugh, but at 18 with my first credit card, I went to the local mall to pop in to the food court for a burger. The court was adjacent a Sears. I left with a $2,100 (U.S.) Compaq Pentium II 450.
Mmmmmm hamburgputer.. nomnomnomnom.

 

[Darklor01]

So first off PS5's are supposedly already in production right? then we are told Sony is doubling their order and hope to have 10 million out the door by the end of fiscal year but someone is starting a rumor about a lottery situation because Sony is sending out early pre-order sign ups to customers who spend a lot of money? That just seems dumb, they are trying to get their better customers to switch over asap so they'll stay locked into the PlayStation ecosystem.

Actually, it’s not a rumor. It’s Sony’s one email. In it it states that they will select people to send invitations to based on unknown criteria ahead of when pre orders go live for them, stating a time they can try to be among the first to get them. It also states that those not selected won’t receive any notice. So.. yeah.. a lottery selection.. from Sony.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

late in the year is defined in concept as within the final months of a year. This would include October, November and December. Holiday, in the U.S. excludes October.

Holiday in most of the world outside US also excludes November I would say.

 

[Darklor01]

Holiday in most of the world outside US also excludes November I would say.

Oh... so, for most of the world.. holiday is just December?

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Can you imagine if Sony mimics Apple and announces availability for a week after their price reveal event?

The price reveal will end with "pre-orders for registered consumers start now", I'm feeling it.

 

[LucidFlux]

Ah man thats good to hear no furloughs. It's been pretty rough out there has been many casualty sadly. I don't think PS outbid them. PS has been lead platform for a good while. Its dev & publisher relations have been going strong this gen. It's in best interest for publishers to go with PS by default. Xbox without doubt would have matched PS offers. In the end they just don't have the numbers to give Pubs ROI. Pubs lose too much money. Those sale charts ,attach rates, MXT numbers matter. 1 month or 2 exclusivity is not going to stop people in accounts looking at spreadsheets sweating. And during covid and corporation struggles. Imagine reporting sales losses to companys like Activision. When the projection on PS are way higher. You are getting fired. "Not all money is good money"

Put it this way one of the recent Capcom shareholding meetings. It was revealed that there was only 5% of sales coming from xbox. 5% on big franchise games. Do you really think PS would pay more for deals ,when xbox is putting out 5% in sales?? You can bet that there are more shocking numbers throughout other games/publishers. PS will be paying market value based of their data metrics.

There's many other things going on behind the scene's on the political side. But i want to keep this short. The PR & media push Xbox has been doing with Gamepass is probably not going down well in the industry. PS cant get all the deals so we thought ,but yet all xbox has is indie devs game. That kind of tells you where they are at.

Much appreciated. It's certainly been a year to remember for all of us, and I thank my lucky stars often for the fortunate position my wife and I are in, especially as we had our first child not long before shit hit the fan this year.

I don't disagree that Xbox was fighting an impossible battle here, I'm merely suggesting they had to at least make the attempt is all. They still have channel and partner relationship managers who's sole purpose is to go after and secure these types of deals and benefits for their platform, even as difficult a challenge it was for them with a much poorer value proposition than Sony. However, I didn't realize how wide the gap and dire their situation was looking at those numbers you provided. I was coming at it more from the perspective of my industry where the competition is much fiercer with quite a few more players in the mix. I'm a creative type on the marketing side and financial strategy was never my forte so thanks for the insight lol.

Gamepass in general just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. Granted I'm not the target audience, but you're right that it's not been a strategy well received by publishers (evident by major publisher's refusal to participate in the program). We can be sure that's just the beginning of the pushback but I expect Xbox to regroup and pivot it's messaging again.

At the end of the day I not only feel bad for consumers in the Xbox ecosystem but I hope it doesn't cause complacency on Sony's side. The good news is Sony leadership has a clear vision with all its pieces in place to have another stellar generation. It will just be up to the consumers even more so this time, and not the competition, to keep them humble.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Would Demon's Souls fall under 'playstation' at Gamescom?

Well, they had PS Studios logo before the trailer on June showcase.

 

[lepermessiah]

The problem is taking too much stock in theoretical paper specs over real world performance. Sure one system has a higher raw compute, but does it hit those peaks on average in actual performance is the question.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Better chill out with the "call of duty will run at 4K120 with RT" expectations before y'all get badly disappointed

First, I'll have to wait for 120Hz TVs get sold in my country and then wait for them to lower from an insane crazy high price before I start to care about 120fps in games.

 

[ethomaz]

Dup.

 

[ethomaz]

Oh... so, for most of the world.. holiday is just December?

Yes.

US include November due Thanksgiving... a holiday that doesn't exists in most countries outside US.

 

[Handy Fake]

Yes.

US include November due Thanksgiving... a holiday that doesn't exists in most countries outside US.

Indeed.

The UK just generally class it as "Autumn/Winter".

 

[kyliethicc]

Sony's fiscal year ends in the Spring. Those extra consoles won't be ready for Holiday.

But if that report is accurate, Sony wants to sell 10 million PS5s in the same time period that they sold 7.5 million PS4s.

So either that report is false, or Sony is overestimating demand, or the PS5 price is lower than I think it is.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Well he was critical of MS not showing anything running on Xsex, but on the other hand MS don’t have anything to show - their games for Xsex are 2, 3 or more years away.

So it’ll be interesting to see if the 3rd parties can step up for MS. Hopefully not more AC though.... that’s one game I’ve seen enough of.

It's about time to see some Scorn gameplay, hopefully on XSX.

 

[LiquidRex]

I would love to see the return of Alone in the Dark.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

It's about time to see some Scorn gameplay, hopefully on XSX.

Great art direction in this game. Quite low budget though, so I hope it turns out well

 

[FranXico]

Great art direction in this game. Quite low budget though, so I hope it turns out well

Aye, it's a great looking game.

 

[LucidFlux]

Late 2020 certainly widens the possible launch window vs holiday ( It doesn't necessarily mean later than originally intended) so I'm leaning towards this meaning a more flexible launch date.
Although it wouldn't be the first time US centric messaging had to change due to international pushback, I have doubts Sony with decades of global product launch experience, would have put out messaging not applicable to an international audience.

 

[FunkMiller]

Late 2020 certainly widens the possible launch window vs holiday ( It doesn't necessarily mean later than originally intended) so I'm leaning towards this meaning a more flexible launch date.
Although it wouldn't be the first time US centric messaging had to change due to international pushback, I have doubts Sony with decades of global product launch experience, would have put out messaging not applicable to an international audience.

Yeah, I'd say this change is to keep a global perspective on things. Nobody else in the world calls it 'Holiday' season other than the Americans, so it makes sense to change to the more generic 'late 2020'.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Maybe Sony are now firm/locked in on a release date that is before the 26th November/thanksgiving/Holiday (rumour is 13th Nov) ergo they changed to 'late' 2020?

 

[FunkMiller]

Maybe Sony are now firm/locked in on a release date that is before the 26th November/thanksgiving/Holiday (rumour is 13th Nov) ergo they changed to 'late' 2020?

See my comment above (as well as others who beat me to it ) It's more likely that they're avoiding the US centric 'Holiday'. The rest of us just call it winter. The only actual holiday we have is Christmas.

 

[saintjules]

Yeah, I'd say this change is to keep a global perspective on things. Nobody else in the world calls it 'Holiday' season other than the Americans, so it makes sense to change to the more generic 'late 2020'.

Agree. Plus the last quarter of the year is technically late 2020 anyway.

 

[Neo Blaster]

the retailer cut on consoles can be as high as $60. Possibly $80 if you look at the ps4 bom and the fact that they needed to sell a first party game to break even.

So if Sony can cut the retailer on even 20% of the consoles sold, they will have saved hundreds of millions of dollars on the first 10 million shipments.

This could mean the console is expensive but it could also mean console is cheaper because Sony is willing to bypass retailers

Yep, bypassing the middle man and selling some directly to customers would alleviate subsiding blow to the console price.

 

[By-mission]

Better chill out with the "call of duty will run at 4K120 with RT" expectations before y'all get badly disappointed

With next-generation consoles, the game will play at 4K resolution and refresh rates at 120hz.

Call of Duty: Black Ops — Cold War arrives with cross-generation, cross-platform play on November 13

Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War will launch on November 13 with cross-platform and cross-generation gameplay between current and next-gen machines.

venturebeat.com

 

[sircaw]

what time is the games reveal tonight, the actual games anyone.

 

[FunkMiller]

But if that report is accurate, Sony wants to sell 10 million PS5s in the same time period that they sold 7.5 million PS4s.

So either that report is false, or Sony is overestimating demand, or the PS5 price is lower than I think it is.

This strategy tells me they are putting things in place to deal with high demand. Now, part of that could well be due to Covid, and the inevitable disruption of supply routes because of it. But... the fact they're producing so many units so fast, and that they are now taking measures to handle pre-order pressure in the US, does rather suggest it's going to be cheaper than we might think.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Please tell me is a joke the version of Xbox.

This will be cause so many problems, specially for a game like CoD I mean is buy for basically each kind of
user which can exists, some of them probably confuse Wii with Wii U.

For MS' sake, those who would make that mistake probably wouldn't even notice any difference in the graphics.

 

[FunkMiller]

what time is the games reveal tonight, the actual games anyone.

Pre show 6.30 UK time. Proper show at 7pm

 

[Handy Fake]

Pre show 6.30 UK time. Proper show at 7pm

Bollocks, thought it was 8.
Finish my shift at 8 and got a bottle of vodka chilling in the fridge for it.

 

[kyliethicc]

4.5 hours til show time. Knack 3 tonight boyyzz

 

[SaucyJack]

Grammer Nazi!

Grammar

 

[MasterCornholio]

Interesting how Sony is doing the preorder and Sony has said there is going to be a shortage at Launch and the first few months. If only a Somebody on The forum had warned you guys.

Edit

Even when he said it was for supply issues and other factors. This is the reason I don’t post and share info I have anymore.

I remember you talked about production before in regards to these systems so I have some questions if you want to answer them.

I can't remember the figure you gave but I believe you said around 10 million units for the Series X. Is that still on track for launch?

Also have you heard anything about a possible delay for Xbox? There was talk that these systems might get a delay but now Sony is pretty much in the clear im just curious about Xbox now.

Thank you for taking the time to respond to this.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

4.5 hours til show time. Knack 3 tonight boyyzz

Did someones say Knack??

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

As of right now (in the US) it still shows Holiday 2020...

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ps5/

 

[Dodkrake]

With next-generation consoles, the game will play at 4K resolution and refresh rates at 120hz.

Call of Duty: Black Ops — Cold War arrives with cross-generation, cross-platform play on November 13

Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War will launch on November 13 with cross-platform and cross-generation gameplay between current and next-gen machines.

venturebeat.com

Obviously wrong. Everybody knows that the PS5 struggles to hit 30fps at 1080p

 

[TBiddy]

As of right now (in the US) it still shows Holiday 2020...

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ps5/

PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation

Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition with a new slim PS5 design. The best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and the DualSense wireless controller.

www.playstation.com

UK says "Late 2020"

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[ThaMonkeyClaw]

PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation

Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition with a new slim PS5 design. The best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and the DualSense wireless controller.

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Weird, did it previously say Holiday 2020 in the UK? I hope they aren't pushing the release date back a little in the UK, hopefully it is a global launch on the same day!

 

[Saudumm]

UK says "Late 2020"

In Germany it's "end of 2020"

 

[MasterCornholio]

PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation

Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition with a new slim PS5 design. The best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and the DualSense wireless controller.

www.playstation.com

UK says "Late 2020"

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It could be a tiered release. With some countries getting it in November and others in December. They are still saying 2020 btw.

Weird, did it previously say Holiday 2020 in the UK? I hope they aren't pushing the release date back a little in the UK, hopefully it is a global launch on the same day!

Food for thought. They always said it would be the end of 2020 do they can play around with the dates a little before announcing anything officially. If the delay goes beyond 2020 they will definitely announce that via PlayStation Blog or an official press release. And they won't take long to announce it because stores need to know about the delay ahead of time.

 

[LucidFlux]

As of right now (in the US) it still shows Holiday 2020...

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ps5/

Good catch. It seems they may have simply updated messaging to be more regionally appropriate.

 

[kyliethicc]

I think the "Late 2020" and "Holiday 2020" is just Sony customizing their site for different countries (US vs world lol).

 

[TBiddy]

Weird, did it previously say Holiday 2020 in the UK? I hope they aren't pushing the release date back a little in the UK, hopefully it is a global launch on the same day!

Not sure, to be honest, but I think it's just a matter of how you think of it. "Late 2020" is much more fluid than "Holidays 2020", since "Late" can mean anything from end of October to end of December, in my book.

 

[FunkMiller]

Weird, did it previously say Holiday 2020 in the UK? I hope they aren't pushing the release date back a little in the UK, hopefully it is a global launch on the same day!

I don't think so. They've just changed the language, because 'Holiday 2020' means nothing in the UK. I doubt there's much to worry about.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

It could be a tiered release. With some countries getting it in November and others in December. They are still saying 2020 btw.

I have a feeling that is what is happening, which kind of sucks, hopefully it is just off by a week and not a month.

 

[SAMZ]

COD has cross gen MP? Why? Imagine playing a MP with 60FPS vs 120 FPS, that's not fair. What about this super fast loading but then your waiting for previous gen console players to enter lobby/game?

I like my MP games on console as its more fair when compared to PC, less hardware variance and closes system (hack's and mods etc)

 

[splattered]

Can someone please post the official statement where Sony says they are ramping up PS5 production to 10 million units? That number keeps getting thrown around on this site and i do remember reading it but don't remember ever seeing official confirmation.

This is starting to feel like US is getting priority with staggered release to the rest of the world (Maybe US and Japan priority?) as more units become available.

 

[kyliethicc]

PS4 was released first in USA & Canada. Jimmy Sony has said they want 1 global PS5 launch, but covid might have constrained supply so they might need to prioritize their biggest market (USA).

I could see USA getting just pre-orders first, or also get shipments first, or neither and it will all launch worldwide. Idk.

 

[Handy Fake]

Can someone please post the official statement where Sony says they are ramping up PS5 production to 10 million units? That number keeps getting thrown around on this site and i do remember reading it but don't remember ever seeing official confirmation.

This is starting to feel like US is getting priority with staggered release to the rest of the world (Maybe US and Japan priority?) as more units become available.

Could just be that nobody checks their emails as often as the Americans...

Spoiler

 

[Mr Moose]

Halloween is the best holiday.
Also, bonfire night