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kyliethicc
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Agreed. A valid complaint is why haven't we seen the PS5 in person or running yet? Whats the UI, the experience of using it? Price is fun to speculate on and matters, but there are not a huge range of possible launch prices.
I just wanna see the back of the console Sony.
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OrionNebula
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Yeah, me too. Glad netflix picked it up
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I'm honestly not sure and Phil, if you believe him, said a long time ago they had a price in mind and thought they would hit that and also they won't be out of position on price.
I really do think Nvidia's Ampere pricing vs specs was a big shock. Comparing the GTX780 specs relative to the consoles from 2013 and now today's 3080 vs XSX/PS5 and the gap is huge but the 3080 is only $50 higher than the launch GTX780 and $100 lower than the FE 2080. Dare I suggest these new consoles are relatively weak spec wise?
Don't get me wrong I still think they're both great just not worthy of some of the hype IMO.
I don't think it is the price itself for us so much. Just more pissed at the silly game being drawn out for so long . We know the bottom line is $399 and the top end $499 for XSX/PS5. Clearly both are prepared to do the former if they have to but would rather do the latter.
Few months? More like 8 weeks for XSX!
T-Cake
Member
I'm guessing it will be power, 1Gbit Ethernet, HDMI 2.1, 1x USB-C and 1x USB-A.
saintjules
Member
Man, this is really something with Sony and Microsoft. There's people, especially Parents who don't even know next gen consoles are coming yet. Very weird marketing.
I figure these companies by now would be actively pushing these Consoles with pricing in terms of advertisements already. Some of us in the know at least are already prepared for it, but what about others who need to know what to buy these as potential gifts for the holiday season?
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Zheph
Member
They are still on time for Christmas honestly. It's way more challenging this year but I don't think it's that bad, we are all just very impatient. Nintendo Switch launch went great and a company like Apple is presenting product very late too.
kyliethicc
Member
I doubt there will be 2 more USB ports on the back.
Probably just a proprietary camera port and maybe 1 more USB-A.
I also want to see how that M.2 SSD expansion bay works.
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T-Cake
Member
I was thinking along those lines but I reckon the camera and DS charging station will both be compatible with USB-A or USB-C.
xacto
Member
Not worth comparing the price of the GTX 3080 which is the whole price (maybe a tad higher?) of a next-gen console - definitely different demographic here. So yes, for the price of admission, you stomp the next generation consoles, but this is not the point here anyway.
Oh, and Phil? Phil has said a lot of things, I wouldn't trust him to help a granny cross the damned street at this point in time.
But I agree, both companies should stop this stupid dancing around pricing and launch dates, unless there is something horribly wrong here.
Dodkrake
Banned
Why is it a valid complaint that we haven't seen the PS5 running in person, or know what the UI looks like?
kyliethicc
Member
The DualSense charging stand doesn't connect to the console. Sony says on their website its designed to free up usb ports on the PS5. So it will just plug into a wall outlet or power adapter directly.
I also doubt the PS5 camera will use USB. It will probably be a proprietary connector to limit what we can connect it to.
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Neo Blaster
Member
Well, they don't have a direct competitor playing chicken with price. Not that I agree with this ridiculous situation.
kyliethicc
Member
We saw the PS4 UI in June 2013. I think Sony should show a PS5 UI demo.
By "in person" I just mean real life pictures, not just staged professional shots and renders. Like how we have seen the DualSense being used by Geoff, I would like to see someone, anyone, show off the PS5 somehow.
Daniel_Mallorca1985
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SaucyJack
Member
I don’t really care about the price, I just want to get my preorder secured.
Mahavastu
Member
No, it was late August for Gamescom, but that time is over now too...
Lets hope there will be something on the 9th...
Moridianae
Member
I'm beginning to wonder how late they can possibly go before confirming a price, speaking of both of them.
I'm sure Covid and economical effects are a factor in all of this. Hell, at my job if you have even a sniffle and a boss notices, you're automatically kicked out for 14 days(with some pay at least) and they shut your area down for a day or two.
Can't imagine what its like in a production facility for PS5.
Its probably still just predominantly a game of chicken, though.
I'm sure Covid and economical effects are a factor in all of this. Hell, at my job if you have even a sniffle and a boss notices, you're automatically kicked out for 14 days(with some pay at least) and they shut your area down for a day or two.
Can't imagine what its like in a production facility for PS5.
Its probably still just predominantly a game of chicken, though.
Neo Blaster
Member
Not just that, they probably need to know Sony's prices to plan XSS situation, to the point whether it gets announced/launched this year or not.
Neo Blaster
Member
Because going too low when they could charge more means less money, these companies must recoup any subsiding they're doing.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Thank you for writing this R Redlight
I know its not the easiest thing to go against the mob
I explained this a dozen times too, only to get the most unbelievable silly and aggressive responses ever, that also signaled a "mob reset" to continue on misinformation and attack.
I think that with ratchet being the "main weapon" for ps5 showcase at this moment, this makes the console defense forces very very touchy on real subjects, so therefore cannot even be discussed.
I also was attacked many times for temporal injection, while we know that insomniac's last games *ratchet ps4 and spiderman included* RELY HEAVILY on this method, and was even confirmed by insomniac for ratchet ps5.
I guess for some "people" 6 seconds equal to "0.8", blurry image equals to "crystal clear" and static cubes equal to "ray tracing" !
Its just a pity that these people forbid any meaningful discussion to be made.
Anyway, thanks again
Thank you tooThe counting in the original video is correct, odd format to use in this instance, but @Bo_Hazem I think you do actually need to fess up and admit you were wrong on that part. It's isn't set to deceive, it's just an odd format to use.
On the flip side I disagree with the overall assessmentTheGreatWhiteShark is trying to make - I'm not even clear what their point is to be fair. When the transition actually starts loading in the new world, when it's done, what is added for transitional effect is simply not clear enough to be making any sort of definitive judgement on the performance of the underlying architecture. The whole thing seems to have been a massively pointless argument about stuff we have no where near the full information to analyse.
For what my point is, look right above on my answer to R Redlight and on the underlined part
40GB is what you need for 10bit 4:4:4 4k 120fps
I dont think that consoles will aim for 12bit 4k 120fps.
not now, not even at their mid-gen refreshes, so its all good
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Neo Blaster
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Thanks for the tip, Cobra Kai's two seasons have just arrived on Netflix and the third one is on its way.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I was more comparing the relative specs. So for example RAM. PS4 had 8GB of 6GHz (run at 5.5) GDDR5 vs 3GB 6GHz GDDR5 in the 780. PS5/XSX have 16GB of 14Gbps GDDR6 vs 10GB of 19Gbps GDDR6X in 3080.
As for Phil I think he is alright but the big problem he has is delivering on promises he makes. Maybe some are out of his hands but still he should make sure he can deliver.
2ndKrueger
Neo Member
It's playstation wednesday!
This kind of comment is where the conflict arises.
GWS made an observation about the actual load time in that clip and showed video to back up his case. The loading is still impressive, it doesn't have to be instantaneous to remain a big step forward. He didn't say it was shit, just that it may not be the instantaneous transition claimed by the super fans.
There's no 'FUD' in such a statement, it's just injecting some reality back into the conversation. However the foot soldiers see any comment that isn't 100% honey dripping praise of the PS5 as a foul insult. Then the unnecessary defence and accusations begin 'the timing is deliberately misleading', 'the frame rate is wrong', etc, etc, etc. Even in the face of clear evidence, the baseless claims continue and the tone becomes more hysterical.
And at the end of it you decide that Thegreatwhiteshark is the problem. Yeah, sure.
Neo Blaster
Member
Honestly, It's not like I'll be upset about the price and go to PC(don't care about PC gaming), I already made my decision to stay with PS. What I really want to see is the launch window lineup gameplay and dates, UI and features.
Neo Blaster
Member
I'll definitely need two USB ports to plug my external HD and PS camera(probably with the free adaptor), and I already have PSVR taking one at the front.
Mahavastu
Member
there is a moment they have to give us the price and start pre-ordering.
For example Sony has 2 versions, one with disc and one without. It is extremely difficult to guess, how much of demand for each of these versions exist and Sony probably does not want to have one version collecting dust in the shelf while the other one is in high demand and they could sell tons more of it.
The relation between both versions will differ between countries, probably even within a country. It depends on the PSN pricing compared to local stores, the available internet (so it also might change when better internet is available in a region), mind set of the customers (need to have something in your hand vs digital), look (some say the digital version looks better), disposable income and a ton of other reasons...
Shops needs to know the price to estimate the demand (there will be less PS5 sold for $1000 then for $399).
Take into account that millions of boxes are already made and Sony has to transport them to storage facilities around the world, and thats all while Corona makes even simple things difficult.
Yes, I think the price will come soon... In the end the possible realistic price range is quite limited ($399 to $499 for the disc PS5, more is suicide, less is too high loss), so one of the companies simply has to be the first to make a decision and tell everyone...
Neo Blaster
Member
Because Xbox fans need something to counter the absence of XSX's next gen gameplay.
Not taking shots on you,
kyliethicc
, there's a whole FUD thread about that on GAF.
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THE:MILKMAN
Member
Clearly not the case going by the likes of Brad Sams/Jez Corden/Tom Warren. Microsoft are prepared to undercut Sony no matter what and is why they are waiting. I'm just suggesting they preempt them instead and go $399 and give Sony the middle finger and say suck on it losers! The least they can do is entertain us!
They could then delay Lockhart till next year.
kyliethicc
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Emmy
Neo Member
Regarding R&C: Rift Apart. Why is everyone judging the technical capabilities of a console based on a game that comes out shortly after the console launches? Developers are just starting to make games for the next generation, they need to figure things out, don't you think it's not entirely fair to demand something never before seen from them right now?
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
damn, little fishy!
I like you much, but boy-oh-boy, aren't you the worst kind of sony footsoldier
kyliethicc
Member
PS camera will likely use adaptor to the new PS5 camera port. No need for usb.
This can't be said enough the price delay just helps scalpers and screws over loyal customers. If you get unlucky and miss the original pre order allotment that will be about 5 minutes your fucked now. You have one shot and that is fucked up by Sony. Microsoft should have supply with lesser demand. I miss Andrew house so much he and his guys cared about players not their ego's.
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Daniel_Mallorca1985
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kyliethicc
Member
I know and no worries. Its not some FUD thing for me. PS5 will be fine, it'll be great.Because Xbox fans need something to counter the absence of XSX's next gen gameplay.
Not taking shots on you,
I just think its reasonable to wonder why we haven't see what its like to use a PS5 yet. In June 2013 we saw this, showing PS4 at home experience:
I would like to see a similar video for PS5. Its exciting to see how it will run and work. When Sony shows me this type pf video for the PS5, I will get very excited.
If the console is launching in ~7 weeks from now, its odd we haven't see any of this demo'd yet.
Physiognomonics
Member
This is because of bottlenecks + latency. No software APIs (even with fancy name) will be able to close the gap with PS5. And with the compression improving (like oodle compression and such that have not yet being used on any PS5 demos), the gap will widen because the hardware and software legacy bottlenecks on XSX will always be there.
Felessan
Member
The problem is that one particular side try to push "loading" of Ratchet for several days already when there is no proof in the first place that it IS loading and the used method of measure have validity at all.
The whole pitch that omg, ps5 is not so fast, loading maybe not 0.8 but 2 seconds based on yadayada our pure speculations where loading starts and where it ends became really tedious and stretched.
At current point it is already a discussion just for the sake of pushing "Sony lies" as no one except people from certain side are not interested in continue this discussion.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Today it is?
xacto
Member
At least they have Sony next-gen, first party games to pick apart. Life must be really boring on the other side of the fence right about now.
Wraith Phantom
Member
There's no undercutting. Break even or make money. repeat PS4 success. The tech is too new & current to be undercutting & losing money. The companies had to build great machines with the allocated budget.Xbox didn't do it. PS is out here giving 825gb in hard drive space that's how price conscious they are.
ALLEDGED
PS5 BOM is 450. (Bloomberg report)
PSDE without disk 400 ( smart guess)
XSX is 600.(says everyone and their momma)
XSS probably cost 400. (Cheaper model)
Playstation are going to Sell at 500/400. They are going to at minimum break even in volume. OR make 50. 100 if new people buy DE & PS plus.
Xbox execs already said they are ready to eat cost.And not be beaten in price. So you already know XSX is pricey. They are not going to sell XSX at 400. That is too much of a loss. So you can bet they take 100 loss & sell at 500.They cant sell the XSS at 400 anymore because its weaker than the PS5 DE which will be 400. Another £100 lost. PS have wrecked Xbox. It was always a unfair fight. Sony are a hardware company they know that game.
Xbox is going to take the L. They are going to lose £200. That spreadsheet in finance department sheesh.
The PS5 DE at 400 kills them. PS5 at 500 because its a better value product ,because the Pro lives on whilst the 1X got discontinued.Specs don't matter ,value does. The 1X life cycle it was consistently priced cheaper than the pro in stores. PS just know what they are doing. Xbox is stuck in 2013.
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lepermessiah
Member
Every 2 seconds I'm with a new lady, don't tell Spence dog, though I'm sure he'd feel good about my infidelity.
SaucyJack
Member
I hope so Yoda.
You must've missed this one...
Study Says Xbox Players Are More Aggressive Than PlayStation Gamers
A new study conducted by professional psychologists finds some interesting results about which gamers are the most aggressive.redirect.viglink.com
Hopefully, they will do a Study soon to see which group spreads the most fud about the consoles.
I am not sure who that would be, Anyone like to guess.
Xbox Players Are Better Than PlayStation And PC Gamers According To Study
Xbox players have an average accuracy of 78 percent compared to 74 for PlayStation and 70 for PC gamers.
CrysisFreak
Banned
They are just not good enough for our PS Five. Step up.
SNPlayen
Member
Yeah right
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