Bo_Hazem
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This is actually sad. Cmon MS.
It's beyond repair. PS5 still has its intelligent design and exclusives to justify its purchase. That Nvidia reveals is simply massive, killed XSX prematurely.
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This is actually sad. Cmon MS.
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Really stupid question here, but these prices for the nividia cards are a lot cheaper than people suspected, is there a way to find out how much silicone really costs, as in, right now i can look up gold right or silver etc as a commodity and check its worth. by the ounce or the gram. You can't do that with silicon.
How do companies grade it, how do we know how much its worth, does it fluctuate day by day or what?
Is it all about yields?
Who sets these prices for said silicon, how do people decide what it's worth. How do we grade it?
Is it the same between companies?
Does Bo like camels sexually, all these mysteries to be solved.
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You have these "Wafer", which are these large round things you "burn in" (sorry, don't know the english professional word for it) the chips in. These wafers have a set price for the given technology.Really stupid question here, but these prices for the nividia cards are a lot cheaper than people suspected, is there a way to find out how much silicone really costs, as in, right now i can look up gold right or silver etc as a commodity and check its worth. by the ounce or the gram. You can't do that with silicon.
Is it all about yields?
I assume that TSMC or similar manufacturer sets the prices for its products. It will probably be pretty much the same for most customers, but you should get discounts if you order more.Who sets these prices for said silicon, how do people decide what it's worth. How do we grade it?
Is it the same between companies?
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Even xbox shills can't bring themselves to be excited for xsx
I am too, gimme gold Bo
From my point of view this is really what happened. From a non-exclusive approach, SX really has no place on the market in a broad form, at least not in its current form.It's beyond repair. PS5 still has it's intelligent design and exclusives to justify its purchase. That Nvidia reveals is simply massive, killed XSX prematurely.
Matric 2 had Monica belluscci. Persphone
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SPEAK NO EVIL
Just one kiss.
You spelled "Nintendo" wrong m8
I don't see why some new cards would suddenly get people en masse to move to PC...
If you want to PC game, you PC game..
If you want to console game you console game..
If you want to do both, you do both.
They are different beasts.
Xbox is being sunk by their bad marketing and not showing anything good... not video cards lol
They are gonna try to save themselves with the GamePass value proposition. And even as a PC gamer, you might want an Xbox for that.. as the offering and games differ quite a bit.
I guess it's more people would have the best of two worlds.
Pc and ps5
Pc will have anything an Xbox will have and potentially better settings with these new cards.
Ps5 has those exclusives to full back on, they protect its ecosystem.
Xbox has no such protection, its just another pc in reality.
My point is...
There's loads of people that won't PC game and it has nothing to do with the games.. but the fact it's a PC.
The experience is incredibly different as are the costs.
You call that a wafer? This, my friend, is a wafer
I'm talking about the idea that some $599-1500 graphics cards announcements will suddenly be the catalyst to "kill Xbox."The problem for xbox is there are loads of people that will go in the direction of the pc.
Sony does not have that problem.
In the end, Microsoft does not care where you game, so pick your poison and be happy about it.
I hope your buying a Ps5, do the right thing.
Since it's been nearly 3 months since the Future of Gaming event, this next show better be a similar level production. I don't want it to be state of play after this long gap without news.I have been kind of avoiding this thread in particular recently but people are just hungry.
That said I do believe we get PS5 info next week and really hoping they put out the announcement of their show any day now.
I do not believe its going to be in conjunction with the COD MP reveal as they are doing their own thing.
Either way time is running out they have to show their hands soon.
I'm talking about the idea that some $599-1500 graphics cards announcements will suddenly be the catalyst to "kill Xbox."
It's just ridiculous.
What plenty of people also miss out on is the potential of a new PSVR2 headset and controllers. I think we all know they're keeping that close to their chest. It'll be yet another compelling reason to go either just PS5, or PS5 and PC combo. Lets consider Sony's first-party pedigree for a moment. PS5 may end up being the superior VR experience if Sony throws their might behind it. Hell, the PS5 hardware itself seems to be tailor made for VR. Mark my words, Sony is going full throttle on VR. It's gonna be yet another way to further separate themselves from Xbox, while further offering even more of a compelling reason to pick up a PS5.From my point of view this is really what happened. From a non-exclusive approach, SX really has no place on the market in a broad form, at least not in its current form.
If Sony on the one hand offers its experiences more than 3rd and a better experience in 3rd in an environment of high use of the I / O and PC offers all the experiences of SX and in addition to a better experience in all the sections, between the two they stray to SX until it becomes a totally substitute product, only dependent on people who want to save money.
Which would sink XBSX's point and eventually the big sales would end up on XBSS.
Anyway it is a personal opinion.
But why would a console buyer buy an Xbox over a PS5? It would have to be cost or games. Neither look great for Xbox currently.My point is...
There's loads of people that won't PC game and it has nothing to do with the games.. but the fact it's a PC.
The experience is incredibly different as are the costs.
But why would a console buyer buy an Xbox over a PS5? It would have to be cost or games. Neither look great for Xbox currently.
Exactly, cause the Series X will match the gaming performance of the 2080 or even 2080 Super. Roughly.It won't kill xbox, that is just silly, but those new nvidia prices were way cheaper than what people were expecting. i believe the 3070 is the equivalent of a 2080ti for like 500 bucks, that is like 700 bucks cheaper than i imagine a lot of people would of thought.
I believe a lot of people were looking at an xbox solution as a cheap option because the fears of the new cards were beyond ridiculous, now they are better, a lot better, still not cheap mind you, a lot of people have given up on the idea of the xbox
That is what it is really about.
there could of been potential hundreds of thousands or even millions of pc users that were thinking about jumping ship from pc to xbox now the cards are out and cheap, they are like ok its worth staying.
It has an effect on xbox, that's what people are saying.
From my point of view this is really what happened. From a non-exclusive approach, SX really has no place on the market in a broad form, at least not in its current form.
If Sony on the one hand offers its experiences more than 3rd and a better experience in 3rd in an environment of high use of the I / O and PC offers all the experiences of SX and in addition to a better experience in all the sections, between the two they stray to SX until it becomes a totally substitute product, only dependent on people who want to save money.
Which would sink XBSX's point and eventually the big sales would end up on XBSS.
Anyway it is a personal opinion.
I think it will be that way
Well, to me the Xbox 360 and One, PS2 and PS3 were similar in relationship.Hasn't looked great for years.. yet plenty do.
Again, my point is... how do $600+ graphics cards change the math here? Nothing has really changed.. PC gaming is PC gaming.. MS's games have been on PC for years now.
If Xbox fails it wont' be because of graphics cards.
As you see I am only politely and briefly REPLYING WHEN QUOTED on the subject. Especially when someone goes into a lot of work trying to refute the points I make.
Its not something I care to discuss any further, and the amount of personal attacks and slurs instead of addressing a point with arguments is proof that this is clearly not the environment for technical discussions, unless its of "praise cerny" type.
About "showing the good things", even for this subject I wrote many times that even a 6 second loading time for a full level is very-very good, magnitudes of difference of where we are at right now.
But, it would really help if sony finally get to disclose some technical things about the ps5, to further talk about the "good things".
Now kindly prepare my Seal
lmao. they are all finally coming to grips with the new reality.Even xbox shills can't bring themselves to be excited for xsx
thats a decoy though :]
Lol I was joking, but thanks Bo! <3I am too, gimme gold Bo
PS5 DE must be 399 or 449 IMO.Yup. XBox division simply cannot just bung out the Series X at a big loss per console - not like Sony did with the Ps3. The XBox One was, by all relevant metrics, a failure. They don't have the finances or the standing within the larger Microsoft family to lose a ton of cash on this console as well.
That's why they haven't released a price for it yet. They know it's going to be expensive, but my guess is they're hoping the Ps5 will be equally, or more expensive. Not so sure they're right about that.
It's pretty damned obvious BOTH consoles are going to be bloody pricey though. If the Ps5 was 399 again, they'd be singing it from the rooftops by now, as would XBox. I think Sony are waiting for an event when they can announce new games to soften the blow a bit. I have no idea whether XBox has the same intention, or whether they're just terrified of the market response to an expensive console with no exclusive games anyone wants to play.
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I'd disagree. If a flying section is ~2 seconds but a running Ratchet who falls through and floats down is timed at ~6 seconds (because you wait for control to be given back to the player) then the ~2 seconds is more representative of the load times involved. One detailed world into another detailed world = 2 seconds. The same large amount of data around the player is being loaded, control is secondary.
I think it will be that way
As we all know, Nvidia is kind of petty. They literally called out Xbox in the Ampere showcase. What they managed to accomplish was crushing the " we've got 12 tflop flexing" bit Xbox had. No way in hell they'd let Microsoft live rent free in people's heads with the power narrative they've been hyping up for so long.I'm talking about the idea that some $599-1500 graphics cards announcements will suddenly be the catalyst to "kill Xbox."
It's just ridiculous.
there is a scale on this chart though. And where you plotted them does not even show the 18% TF difference, nor the 44% on CUs, not even the 25% bandwidth difference. Let alone all of those combined. And I even endow you the variable clockspeeds.Fixed it for you.
If you are going to see it this way, they also crushed the ps5 ssd thingy, didn't they?As we all know, Nvidia is kind of petty. They literally called out Xbox in the Ampere showcase. What they managed to accomplish was crushing the " we've got 12 tflop flexing" bit Xbox had. No way in hell they'd let Microsoft live rent free in people's heads with the power narrative they've been hyping up for so long.
Personally the benchmark game for me is Control.
Insane physics and interactive environments, beautiful graphics, great sound mix, etc.
The new RTX 3080 footage DF just showed of Control is insane.
Locked 60 FPS, with ray tracing, on high settings, using DLSS "balanced" mode at 1440p upscaled to 4K.
My PS4 Pro struggles to run Control at 30 FPS at 1080p with no ray tracing.
Remedy have said Control can run on PS5 via back compat. No RT, same as PS4, I assume.
There will also be a next-gen PS5 version of Control, that should have some RT.
I am super curious to see if the PS5 can run Control at 60 FPS with RT. And how it compares to a 2080, etc.
That game on a console at 60 Hz with RT, even at 1080p, thats the dream.
Control is an average game. Remedy are not elite devs. Control runs sub par on consoles.When theres nothing demanding outside throwing chairs.Infamous second son is open world has way more complexity & its buttery smooth. Remedy are not elite.
Infamous second son shits on control with no ray tracing. Control has frame drops turning left & right in a hallway ffs.Dead tank control game.
2013 launch game running rings around constant improved Improve rtx games. You hate to see it.
Control is an average game. Remedy are not elite devs. Control runs sub par on consoles.When theres nothing demanding outside throwing chairs.Infamous second son is open world has way more complexity & its buttery smooth. Remedy are not elite.
Infamous second son shits on control with no ray tracing. Control has frame drops turning left & right in a hallway ffs.Dead tank control game.
2013 launch game running rings around constant improved rtx game. You hate to see it.
For when inFamous launched, and for what it launched on, many effects it has are equally impressive.I've played both. Control's tech is insane and that game is way more fun. Work of art. Infamous was fine. The console performance sucks, but look at on PC at 60 Hz with ray tracing on. Its fucking beautiful.
Matric 2 had Monica belluscci. Persphone
WHAT A GOD DAMN WOMAN.
SPEAK NO EVIL
Just one kiss.
I think he's joking.You can't make this up