Lionel Richie
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Posting this in case anyone finds any confirmation of input lag or poor performance in any way. I want to preorder, but "no significant input lag" is a pretty strict rule here.
You're so masculine. Wowwwwwwwwwwww.Moms, grandmas, gamer girls, 10 year olds, and numale gapers do not care that they're paying full price for emulated old games instead of actual remakes.
Which one of those things from the list are you?You're so masculine. Wowwwwwwwwwwww.
None lol. Millions of people like Nintendo games. I just can't believe this is the narrative now.Which one of those things from the list are you?
How do they compensate for the lack of analog triggers(such a bone head move Nintendo) in Mario Sunshine?
The wiiu says hello.................I sadly have one and hated the console ;'(Nintendo fanboys are the worst. Spent millions on bloody amibos. Nintendo can churn out any old shit and it’ll still sell.
Ain't no one gonna do a true port from those systems to the Switch.
It's not. I was only like 73% serious about the types of people who are ok with Nintendo's sometimes mediocre cash-grab outputs.None lol. Millions of people like Nintendo games. I just can't believe this is the narrative now.
Let's try to address a few issues here. First up, when releasing old games on new platforms there are a couple of routes you can go. You can go super-faithful, or you can remake. Remakes are good when the base game hasn't aged as gracefully as you'd like but it's still a beloved title among its fans. This allows new people to come and check it out. Sometimes it's unnecessary (looking at you Mafia remake - Mafia 1 is perfectly fine as is) but they do it anyway to make money because the original is available but not making much money (eg it's on GOG and just shifting a few copies in its long tail). In general it's less work than an original game as you have a template to follow and you know you have a higher than average chance of a hit, it's a safe bet for risk-averse AAA publishers.
The other approach is the super-faithful approach. This is useful where the original holds up just fine but isn't available on some modern platforms, and where you're looking for historical preservation. This is where the Nintendo games come in. These games are incredibly well-loved classics, popular beyond Spyro, Crash or Tony, and to rework them runs the risk of ruining them. Messing with the visuals risks losing the charm of the old-school low-poly art (bear in mind that art was designed for that environment). It also risks a weird uncanny valley of older gameplay style and modern visuals.
Having established that Nintendo have chosen the faithful preservation route (with a few fixes to make it playable on modern systems) we consider methodology. Emulate or port. Well, a port is a pretty wasteful choice - it will only work on one system plus anything that's backward compatible with it. It might not preserve what are actually bugs but have come to be well-loved features for speedrunners and hardcore fans. In many ways a port comes with the same risks as translating a great work of art from long ago in a foreign language in that everything requires interpretation, not to mention the inherent difficulty in finding developers familiar with how the old code works in relation to the old hardware who can translate that behaviour to a modern system with a very different architecture.
In the world of IT we're all basically moving to emulation, virtualisation and containerisation. We write one piece of code, it gets a guaranteed environment in which to run. I deploy code to docker containers and they'll work anywhere because the host system is irrelevant - docker provides a setup I've defined. I run my linux development environment in a virtual machine so that if I fuck something up I have a backup, and because I can copy that environment between machines and minimise my setup time. Emulation, done well, preserves all the original behaviours (intended and unintended) and lets you be super-efficient. With the emulators in place you can bring more games over, but ports have to be done one-at-a-time. With the emulated version you only need to be familiar with the code for a single platform to make whatever edits you want to make. When a new system comes out then you simply port the emulator instead of each individual game. It's a less wasteful strategy that still, in the end, gets a good playable game into the user's hands.
Finally, I'll finish with this video.
Now this is relevant to us on a few levels. First I'll summarise the video if anyone doesn't want to watch it. Guy in the audience is a techie and complains that a piece of tech (openDoc) is being dropped. Steve Jobs points out that while engineers love their tech, Apple chooses to focus on the user experience first, then build tech to satisfy that need, rather than building tech and then trying to figure out how to sell that.
It's relevant here in that many of those complaining are making a technical complaint which ultimately only matters to that small group of people who gives a crap about those things, the techies, they are that guy in the audience. In reality the public just wants to play a good game. This extends to the debate around the Switch's lack of power - again the public doesn't generally give a fuck about teraflops, it cares about fun games, and the Switch enables Nintendo to deliver their vision of that. The sales figures would suggest this strategy succeeded.
In short, suck it nerds.
How long till it’s reverse engineered to play any rom on a hacked console. I wish I hadn’t sold my modded switchI love how that gcm file plays perfectly fine in the Dolphin emulator.
This was a lazy cash grab, nothing else.
this is interesting and correct but we can guess if 60€ is a correct pricing for three emulated roms
Do you object when people say 'manchild' too?You're so masculine. Wowwwwwwwwwwww.
And calling people retarded is rational? And thanks for not reporting people, you're a stunning and brave individual.
This thread is not a proportional response to the news, lol.
Okay. They’re emulated, and largely true to the originals. No above and beyond here.
If that isn’t for you, it makes sense to express yourself rationally, and move on. Likewise, if you don’t mind a very similar experience, but with a few modern display standard touch-ups, you’re probably pretty excited to play this on your Switch.
Both are entirely valid.
What isn’t, seems to be this repetitive, ongoing tantrum thrown in every Nintendo thread. I’m not going to report you, or request that you stop. It’s just... the lot of you look legitimately retarded. It genuinely appears as if an esoteric, fun Japanese company that sells games to children, fans, and families, has quite a few of you on the verge of tears at any given point.
Is that rational? Does that make sense? Why be that way?
And calling people retarded is rational? And thanks for not reporting people, you're a stunning and brave individual.
Some people have a problem with this cheap ass company and choose to vent about it on a videogame forum in a thread that details how cheap and lazy they are. So what? This is the ONLY place I even share my opinion on Nintendo, and video games in general. No one in my real life plays videogames so I don't have much of chance to vent about this sacred cow.
And calling people retarded is rational? And thanks for not reporting people, you're a stunning and brave individual.
Some people have a problem with this cheap ass company and choose to vent about it on a videogame forum in a thread that details how cheap and lazy they are. So what? This is the ONLY place I even share my opinion on Nintendo, and video games in general. No one in my real life plays videogames so I don't have much of chance to vent about this sacred cow.
Yes.Is there something wrong with the emulation of these titles?
Yes.
The asking price and what it could have been.
If my literal one line post is evidence of me being "worked up" what do your multiple posts in this thread desperately trying to defend this game against any form of critique show?You're the one getting this worked up over entertainment products here.
I tend to think the sales figures are tied to the scarcity of it, we don't even know how much stock they're putting out there.What it could have been is a subjective matter - many people will value the opportunity to play the games in as close to their original form as possible on a portable device. The price is what the market decides. The sales figures would indicate that the price is correct.
What it could have been is a subjective matter - many people will value the opportunity to play the games in as close to their original form as possible on a portable device. The price is what the market decides. The sales figures would indicate that the price is correct.
If my literal one line post is evidence of me being "worked up" what do your multiple posts in this thread desperately trying to defend this game against any form of critique show?
If I was Nintendo I would do exactly the same. Why waste time, money and effort into make a quality product when you know your socially retarded and emotional stunted fan base will pay $60 for below-par shit.
If my literal one line post is evidence of me being "worked up" what do your multiple posts in this thread desperately trying to defend this game against any form of critique show?
Looks like a desire to participate in the thread, discuss, and enjoy himself on Gaf to me.
You, on the other hand.
Seem to be very upset. Did you not hear Saint Craig’s words of wisdom?
This thread is not a proportional response to the news, lol.
Okay. They’re emulated, and largely true to the originals. No above and beyond here.
If that isn’t for you, it makes sense to express yourself rationally, and move on. Likewise, if you don’t mind a very similar experience, but with a few modern display standard touch-ups, you’re probably pretty excited to play this on your Switch.
Both are entirely valid.
What isn’t, seems to be this repetitive, ongoing tantrum thrown in every Nintendo thread. I’m not going to report you, or request that you stop. It’s just... the lot of you look legitimately retarded. It genuinely appears as if an esoteric, fun Japanese company that sells games to children, fans, and families, has quite a few of you on the verge of tears at any given point.
Is that rational? Does that make sense? Why be that way?
And who did I attack exactly? If you or anyone else is insecure enough to interpret a general remark as a personal one then that's on you/them. If the shoe fits as the saying goes.Depends on what's in them, right? I don't think I've attacked anyone, at least.
By the way, I don't personally feel the game is worth $60. It doesn't have anything to do with whether the code is native or emulated, though.
Yes.
The asking price and what it could have been.
It does, you just disagreeThat doesn't answer the question.
So your post here, which is made in exactly the same sprite but on a larger degree, must also be evidence of you being "very upset" as well?
Good job on boxing yourself into a corner champ. Truly big brain logic.
And who did I attack exactly? If you or anyone else is insecure enough to interpret a general remark as a personal one then that's on you/them. If the shoe fits as the saying goes.
I also don't think the package would have been worth $60 if it was native, but it being emulated without question does lower the value of the games since as we've seen now they play worse than the originals and even a fan run port.
And who did I attack exactly? If you or anyone else is insecure enough to interpret a general remark as a personal one
It does, you just disagree
Context is pretty clear. Fact you can't articulate what I supposedly "contextually" misunderstood and how your post "contextually" differed from mine is as close to concession as you're likely to see.So, you can’t read or understand context either. Impressive.
Socially retarded and emotionally stunted, indeed.
Socrates was a self-professed fan of Nintendo? TIL...All fans are socially retarded and emotionally stunted
Socrates is a fan
Therefore, Socrates is socially retarded and emotionally stunted
Be excited friendo that's you business, I'm here to call out Nintendo's utterly shit work that you and others defend because it's Nintendo, if this was done by Ubisoft or Activision you would be on the hate bandwagon.Ah yes. You deployed a meme. That’ll show everyone the error of their ways, for daring to be excited about videogames on a videogame enthusiast board, and sway them to your big brain thinking.
Yes, there are technical issues, the question is how noticeable they are.Are there technical issues with the emulation?
Context is pretty clear. Fact you can't articulate what I supposedly "contextually" misunderstood and how your post "contextually" differed from mine is as close to concession as you're likely to see.
Be excited friendo that's you business, I'm here to call out Nintendo's utterly shit work that you and others defend because it's Nintendo, if this was done by Ubisoft or Activision you would be on the hate bandwagon.