StreetsofBeige
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One thing they all have in common with polls with PS at 60-70% is that they were all done before Sony Showcase this past Thursday Sept 17.
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smallpotatosan
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Hmmm, you are an interesting one. You do know some things but not all things are accurate because Forza was definitely not planned as a launch window title. Well, I understand you are getting indirect feeds like you mentioned. Covid doesn’t affect large studios as much due to robust IT infrastructure.
I don’t recall I saw dirt 5 on xbx. I saw it running on xss. the medium one is interesting. only gamespot said it was running on xbx. But anyway, I would like to see more gameplay demos on xbx.
jose4gg
Member
Yeah, I wish this "media" members did more polls, but let me tell you something,
After showing Spiderman MM, Demon's Soul, and God Of War...
Thinking that PS5 is in a worse position than it was before because of backlash with Sony cross-gen strategy, is not thinking right...
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smallpotatosan
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Maybe ps fans were all busy with competing for preorders
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Going by forum threads, many gamers don't like the cross gen thing. So they might have bailed from getting a PS5 day one. They'll wait it out.
With polls only having maybe 50,000 people or so and potentially millions of gamers trying to preorder and chaging their minds do to cross gen or whatever, all it takes is a small number of people to change their minds and doing a digital poll that 50,000 poll gets skewed fast.
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Lysandros
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As far as i know particle/alpha effect performance is mostly tied to bandwidth and pixel fill rate. RAM bandwidth situation between the systems isn't very clear cut but PS5 has around 20% more pixel fill rate.
MasterCornholio
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It's still going to sell our at launch. Despite what people in the forums think.
jose4gg
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Yea, I can see that scenario
"Let me go with Xbox that does not have games until Halo cross-gen next year, because Sony has two games that are cross-gen too"
Very logical conclusion...
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Tchu-Espresso
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WhispersintheWind
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Forza launch window. What I had heard and it was delayed. Yes my info is second and third hand. I just pass on what I hear. Thank you for the compliment that I am legit. And thank you for telling me Forza wasn’t a launch window title.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Just as logical as you claiming the Eurogamer poll is getting skewed due to Timdog telling gamers to pick Xbox to make the poll closer.
jose4gg
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Man, I work with social media, polls are the highest way to get interactions in Twitter, if you want to test this, make a poll yourself in any tweet of a BIG twitter account, see how many reactions you will get, no likes, no comments, but see how many interactions in the poll you will get... Test it for yourself...
"I did not expect such a strong rebound from the Xbox side after this morning."
¿What do you think that happened that he even acknowledge there was a change in the poll?
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smallpotatosan
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I did some research. I think the cache scrubber improves gpu performance while assets are streamed in. It goes hand to hand with the new design paradigms Cerny was proposing. I doubt it will make much difference in traditionally designed games, when the assets are loaded behind a loading screen.
jose4gg
Member
Another thing is... Tim dog is not telling "gamers" to vote for Xbox, he is telling the biggest and deepest Xbox fanboys to vote...
Read again...
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StreetsofBeige
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Man, I work with social media, polls are the highest way to get interactions in Twitter, if you want to test this, make a poll yourself in any tweet of a BIG twitter account, see how many reactions you will get, no likes, no comments, but see how many interactions in the poll you will get... Test it for yourself...
"I did not expect such a strong rebound from the Xbox side after this morning."
¿What do you think that happened that he even acknowledge there was a change in the poll?
Taking a page from your book, some PS fan site told their followers to vote PS5, so the ending result was PS5 systems at 57%.
I wouldn't put too much into polls anyway, so your social media job isn't reliable.
Just to show you how BS polls can be, the 2016 presidential election had every poll I saw having Hillary win the election, yet Trump won by around 70 electoral votes. And these even came from big well know news sites and research companies.
Dave_at_Home
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I appreciate that it's just math every day.
Lysandros
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What was so catastrophic in the PS5 event to justifiy a 10-20% drop? Let's just say that i don't think that poll represents the reality of the situation at all.
jose4gg
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¿Is there any of those PS fanboys with 24K followers?
MasterCornholio
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People frustrated with the preorder situation? I mean that's the worse thing in my opinion.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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Man, I work with social media, polls are the highest way to get interactions in Twitter, if you want to test this, make a poll yourself in any tweet of a BIG twitter account, see how many reactions you will get, no likes, no comments, but see how many interactions in the poll you will get... Test it for yourself...
"I did not expect such a strong rebound from the Xbox side after this morning."
¿What do you think that happened that he even acknowledge there was a change in the poll?
Ok, thanks for the polls. As other people said already, these are all prior to ps5 reveal of ...cross-gen everything & 80e
It will be very interesting if you keep us informed of other new polls.
BUT, what you said about interaction is wrong. If you "go below a BIG account and do a poll", that's basically a highjack.
Show me a poll of this tdog that has ever had so many votes..
Also, since you are the expert on the subject, personally I think it was more dark1x that influenced the final turnout,
with the tweet you are posting here, "Wow! I did not expect this! but lets see how it ends", like 100X whatever dog could do on dark1x's poll.
What is your professional opinion on my observation?
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wut? Linneman alone has 35k
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
He claimed Timdog got his followers to vote Xbox so that's why Xbox votes were 43% when in some of these past polls Xbox was around 30%.
So he's basically saying Timdog is skewing the poll with followers voting Xbox because he told them too.
If you look at my chart I did last, I did the math showing how many fake Tim dog influence votes are needed to make that poll 70/30 which is what he sticks to as a standard split.
So Timdog supposedly hijacked the poll with 9,000 bogus Xbox follower votes out of a Eurogamer poll of 48,000 total votes.
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jose4gg
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Ok, thanks for activating my trap...
This is Tim making all his followers vote for XSX in another Poll which currently had 3,000 votes before it was deleted by the PS fanboy that post it...
Here you have another 3K poll where Xbox wins with 91%
¿Why? See the tagged users in the poll...
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
And how does this affect Linneman's Eurogamer poll?
Since you are self proclaimed working in social media and know so much about polls, how much of Eurogamer's 48,000 votes were messed up by Timdog forcing his followers to vote Xbox?
TheGreatWhiteShark
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dude, linneman is the ultimate ps fanboy, read my post above
and you still haven't answered if in your pro opinion it was linnerman's tweet "OMG! I cant believe how it turned! Let's see how it ends" the major factor of the shift, or not
I think your "trap" is
and you still haven't answered if in your pro opinion it was linnerman's tweet "OMG! I cant believe how it turned! Let's see how it ends" the major factor of the shift, or not
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Lysandros
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So are you saying that upto 20% of gamers were so frustrated by the PS5 preorder situation that they decided to get a XSX/XSS instead? Doesn't sound very realistic to me.. Anyway there will be other polls soon, and i am quite sure that this poll will stay as an isolated eurogamer trademark.
MasterCornholio
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I don't know what else it could be.
jose4gg
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Why is so hard to read, Tim Dog and FAMMMMMMMM, my God...
Another member of the Fanboy clan sharing the tweet was Colteastwood with Another 18K followes
Here another example of how they are able to change polls when they share it to their fanboys...
I believe they could easily have added 6,000 votes between them, almost all in favor of Xbox...
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It could also mean many PS gamers who would have voted Yes to PS5 decided to skip participating at all, while Xbox gamers are still voting Yes to Xbox.
If there's a poll asking whether you will buy Chicago Bears tickets or Chicago Blackhawk tickets, you might be a football fan and pick Bears. But let's say a month later the team stinks and you bail buying Bears tickets later in the season, does that mean you will automatically switch and spend money on Hawks tix?
Maybe. Or maybe you won't vote for either.
But that dedicated Hawks fan is still voting yes to hockey whether you vote football or not.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
dude, I think you are seeing dogs in your sleeps.
there are 110.000.000 ps4 users out there. get a grip
just keep us updated on any new polls, and keep the dog theories away
its the dogs , man
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jose4gg
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And that means what?
Do you think the average fan of PS or Xbox is voting in Digital Foundry polls?
As I said previolsy, PS5 always wins 65-75% in the majority of the polls since the reveal of both consoles... Which is pretty normal, based on the number you point out... 110M users...
Believing Sony fuck over the generation because SpiderMan MM and Horizon 2 are cross platform, is believing in magic...
TheGreatWhiteShark
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It means that there are at least TWICE as many users of PS4 on social than xbox. Pretty self-explanatory, right?
Also, you are referencing data that was BEFORE sony's last show, where things like "WE BELIEVE IN GENERATIONS" that had a lot of people pumped, people LIKE YOU, were proven lies. Also price hike of these games, etc.
Just keep an eye out for any new polls, and leave the nonsense "dog" theories out of your data, my 2 c's
DaGwaphics
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I figured. But it was just too cheap and easy.
jose4gg
Member
I will keep the polls on track, no worries...
btw, I shared like 3 polls where the "dogs" were able to change the results and put Xbox in a better position
Were Those nonsense too, or real data Xbox with 91% in an 8K poll ?
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DaGwaphics
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The type of people that respond to these polls are probably more the hardcore type, so, the disk drive will be more popular.
smallpotatosan
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man, we were all wrong. Xbox is the most wanted console after all (according to Gamescom)I will keep the polls on track, no worries...
btw, I shared like 3 polls where the "dogs" were able to change the results and put Xbox in a better position
Dave_at_Home
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Sharkboy will never relent. It's not in his nature. You cannot compete with his superior intellect.I will keep the polls on track, no worries...
btw, I shared like 3 polls where the "dogs" were able to change the results and put Xbox in a better position
TheGreatWhiteShark
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You shared data of absolutely no significance to the original poll, without any kind of substantiation for your claims,I will keep the polls on track, no worries...
btw, I shared like 3 polls where the "dogs" were able to change the results and put Xbox in a better position
and also the fact that you commented "thank you for activating my trap" is further proof that you were premeditated on this
You might say you are a social media expert, but I am an analyst.
Again I will ask you, wasn't linneman's own retweet saying "Fascinating! I cant believe how it turned for xbox, lets see how it ends" way more significant influence than any dog?
Don't know why i'm wasting time with you. You sure are a character.
3 games being on PS4 is not going against generations and neither would it cause people to be that upset besides console warriors and concern trolling. Sony always support their consoles for 10 years. That doesn't mean cross generation for 10 years.
The $70 increase is not Sony's lone doing. It's a industry wide change. We've already heard this was happening and already seen games announced at $70 before Sony.
None of what you say would change any polls in a significant way.
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Ptarmiganx2
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I have decided we are seeing a few more cross-gen titles this generation because the next-gen engines are not ready for prime time. We know from Sony, Epic, and Nvidia that this generation represents a paradigm shift to streaming assets. The generation isn’t about brute forcing better graphics as we are at the point of diminishing returns. Sony has been working closely with Epic on UE5 which will not be ready until 2021. We haven‘t heard much from Sony or third parties on their next-gen engines, so it’s safe to say they are not ready just yet. When you look at CPU tech in consoles, the last generation really didn’t improve much over the PS360 era. Modern engines have been working around the same cpu specs for 13 years. To me it looks like developers are squeezing everything they can out of the old engines while they finalize the new ones.
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jose4gg
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Let me explain the data to you again,
- RDX podcast members like to do the thing we are discussing right now. When Xbox is losing a poll they share it with their fanboys.
- They are always able to do change the results a bit, use any of the previous examples I give you as proof of that.
- Social media priorities publications that can have a bigger impact, if they were able to make a poll of a random user (300 followers) get 3,000 votes because Twitter recommended their followers that retweet, a retweet to a bigger account like Linneman's account will have a bigger display across their fans...
- All that combined with the fact that many of their fans might already follow Richard and Twitter algorithm will combine the fact that they follow an RDX member and Richard so the Tweet will be view by more people.
- I'm not saying they put ALL the votes for Xbox, but I can easily see 6,000 votes been not influenced, but votes that might not be there if the account with 24K AND 18K didn't share them.
- Linneman is followed by all types of people, I don't think he saying anything will cause any change but point out a sentiment that is already there.
- RDX members have a Regular user section, people that dislike Playstation, people that are FANBOYS of Xbox, so expecting results that favor Xbox at a high rate is normal.
Like I said before and this is my last post of today, I will keep track of the polls, and on the sales too, you know, let's see how much people want XSX after Spiderman and Horizon are cross-platform and cost 70 in next-gen...
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WhispersintheWind
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I think this discussion is pointless which console is the most wanted. At launch Console sales are driven by the hardcore gamers. Out of 100% hardcore gamers there is about 10% hardcore gamers that buy both consoles. I fall into that 10% because I buy all consoles. The other 90% is divide by hardcore gamers that are fans of either Microsoft or Sony’s brand. So let’s say 55% or PS Brand Fans and 45% are Xbox Fans. I came up with this percentage because PS is a bigger brand in Europe and Asia. So both the Xbox Series X and PS5 will sell like hot cakes.
The Question that needs to be asked is after the first 6 months the console launches which platform will win over the Majority. Which is a hard Question to answer at this point. We will not have any idea for the first 6 months. Because Games, and pricing and supply will effect both over the first 6 months. Before a clear baseline is established.
Though this is my opinion and 2 cents.
The Question that needs to be asked is after the first 6 months the console launches which platform will win over the Majority. Which is a hard Question to answer at this point. We will not have any idea for the first 6 months. Because Games, and pricing and supply will effect both over the first 6 months. Before a clear baseline is established.
Though this is my opinion and 2 cents.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
You are going straight to my ignore list after this reply,
but truth is all playstation fans were running for the last couple of months yapping how "next-gen" ps5 is and how "cross-gen shit" is xbox.
So, those that have some substance between their ears, they are able to understand when they are played. those that don't have, aren't.
Also, first parties and owners of their walled gardens do not give away 30% of their proceeds, so there is way more flexibility to offer a good service & a good price. We will see if microsoft will price their first party games at 80euros. -Even if they do, they still are offering them all on gamepass.
I wrote about it earlier, for many months the number one concern in here every single day was if ps5 would cost 100 bucks more or less.
And suddenly, all playstation fans are far and above any monetary subject. That is very funny to see.
bye now
smallpotatosan
Member
first 6 month sales will be similar. Xbox did a good job defending their turf. So i expect Xbox to sell out everywhere initially too. Xbox production number is actually higher. So it will be very interesting to see whether Xbox will lead the sales initially. This is all assuming we will see gameplays from xbx ofc.
Lysandros
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Man, I work with social media, polls are the highest way to get interactions in Twitter, if you want to test this, make a poll yourself in any tweet of a BIG twitter account, see how many reactions you will get, no likes, no comments, but see how many interactions in the poll you will get... Test it for yourself...
"I did not expect such a strong rebound from the Xbox side after this morning."
¿What do you think that happened that he even acknowledge there was a change in the poll?
The real tragedy here is that Jhon actually believes or pretending to believe to the result of this poll...
kyliethicc
Member
So Sony gave the PS5 a total of 4 USB ports. The 2 on the back are clearly for external drives, various accessories (like the headset dongle) and also the new camera / PS4 camera adapter.
The USB-A on the front is primarily for the cable to recharge controllers, but likely also for compatibility with the PSVR headset cables.
So this leads me to ask.. why did Sony include that 1 USB-C port? why not just another A?
I am starting to think that the next PSVR headset will use that Type-C port.
The USB-A on the front is primarily for the cable to recharge controllers, but likely also for compatibility with the PSVR headset cables.
So this leads me to ask.. why did Sony include that 1 USB-C port? why not just another A?
I am starting to think that the next PSVR headset will use that Type-C port.
The Mad Draklor
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