thelastword
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Why should they, the Series X is significantly more powerful than PS5..........Even if they have a few API issues, the Series X should easily come out on top in multiplats because of the huge gulf in performance......AMIRITE?
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DF: All Developers Extremely Happy With PS5 Development But Not All Are Happy With XSX Development
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Humdinger
Member
When I quoted Richard ("Its essentially the same development environment as PS4 and you scale up from there,") and said "PS5 held back confirmed," I was being sarcastic. However, some people apparently thought I was making a serious point.
Thanks for clearing it up. Obviously, Richard wasn't saying games will be built for PS4 then upscaled. I was just joking.
geordiemp
Member
You can modify and upgrade apis and software, hardware is now fixed for at least 4 years.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sorry, overreacted.
geordiemp
Member
Humdinger
Member
No no, you're fine. It was the other two guys (to whom you were responding) that mistook my sarcasm as serious, then expressed the idea as if it were a real concern.
I appreciate you cleaning the issue up.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Damn, those variable frequencies must be too easy to develop for. Explains why no gameplay on XSX so far but PC gaming only from xbox.
FranXico
Member
To be fair, that was running at 120fps. Concessions need to be made.
geordiemp
Member
Physiognomonics
Member
Multiplats on PS5 will be the way to go just for the loadings improvement. When people will see 10s vs 2s or 20s vs 4s, many will sell their xbox for a PS5.
I/O gap between both machines will be the new 1080p vs 720p in 2013.
Orta
Banned
Yep. Utterly odious individuals no better than the cretins on the other board.
oldergamer
Member
No, sorry, its not even close to the resolution disparity you mention. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
Too bad you aren't going to see such a disparity. The ps5 isn't 4 - 5 times faster in loading improvement like you suggest. There is also more to it in most cases. Its not always a straight asset load from storage when games are starting up.
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Garani
Member
Fair enough, then.
I am sure that both consoles will be playing games great, it's just so strange that we haven't got a gameplay captured on the XSX.
sircaw
Banned
He will just find another topic to worm his way around, they never change.
Physiognomonics
Member
Yes it is. On paper and on the demos we have already seen.
Dr.D00p
Member
Really, where did Microsoft show loading times for Ratchet & Clank on the Series X, I must have missed that one.
SSD load times for games built specifically for the PS5 I/O architecture cannot be compared to Series X load times. Wait until we have multi-platform titles running side by side on each console, before you make such wild claims.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Why listen to DF when you have actual devs praising XSX.
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BigLee74
Member
MS must have hit it further then, as they have a better price/performance ratio (when taking the proper top end machine), also have ease of development, and also have a lot of exclusive games coming soon.
Oh, and Gamepass!
pawel86ck
Banned
20s load times on XSX? That's impossible unless you are talking about BC games, because these games arnt build for velocity architecture. On XSX it should take around 3 seconds at max to fill 13.5GB assuming 4,8-6GB/s decompression speed. With SFS savings (2.5x) XSX should be able to fit the same game as PS5 into 5.4GB memory (around 1 second load time assuming 4.8-6GB/s transfer speed).
SilentUser
Member
Simply perfect, exactly what was on my mind
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Microsoft used their worst first party offenders like State of Decay 2 and Outer Worlds and ran them on XSX/XSS unoptimized to demonstrate XVA. You are comparing them with a Spiderman PS5 demo. Why dont they just demonstrate using Days Gone(the PS4 version without any PS5 optimization)?
BlueXImpulse
Banned
So with next gen titles we should expect XSX to be equal to PS5's I/O? Just so I can bookmark your post, can you confirm or deny this is what you are saying with the bolded
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Don't take any one insiders word for it alone, but this is the rumor that keeps going around that PS5 is easy to work on. If XSX was as easy I would think we'd see games running on it by now.
pawel86ck
Banned
If MS arnt lying in regards to their I/O architecture, then yes. It's not my opinion, so dont ask me to deny or confirm it, because I always assume companies like MS or Sony can lie their customers. All I can say to you is this, if you belive Cerny isnt lying (he said PS5 GPU can sustain around 2.2GHz for long period of time), then you should also believe MS in regards to velocity architecture.
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DonJuanSchlong
Banned
It makes most sense to have xbox as the lead platform. Build for the more performant console, and scale back what you may need to for the ps5 version. It makes sense as they could push out the PC version much easier as well. Just has a learning curve for what, a handful of devs at most, from the sound of things.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well the good thing about the I/O is that it's easy to prove. The GPU clocks is going to be almost impossible to show unless a developer gives them to us.
Also just because one company is lying about something doesn't mean the other is lying about something. Just a general statement that applies to all corporations.
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FeiRR
Banned
Inside Xbox Series S video has footage of The Outer Worlds captured on XSS... with really bad popups visible.
Garani
Member
Ouch! If they can't fix it I will really feel for the Xbox customers. The only way I can get good games on the Sony platform is to get a good performing XBox environment. Competition is pivotal.
Razvedka
Banned
I have a hunch that Playstation SDK APIs were not just easier to work with but also closer to the metal than Xbox's (Which is typically the case regarding PS vs Xbox iirc). So the XSX might be on paper stronger but its possible that the developers are getting less out of it proportionately vs PS, and that's even ignoring having to support/port down to the XSS.
Could be the difference is negligible, but it's just one of those things where I think it would be really interesting to read an indepth dissection on from experts/game developers.
Could be the difference is negligible, but it's just one of those things where I think it would be really interesting to read an indepth dissection on from experts/game developers.
MasterCornholio
Member
Halo Infinite level of pop-ups?
SplunkyMunkey
Member
Thats probably the problem with series x and its split ram. Trying to cram everythink onto that 10gig of fast ram probably is a nightmare let alone the series S.
Lambdadelta
Neo Member
Only hard disagree with the bolded part. They don't really have nearly enough quality exclusives and most of them only had cgi trailers.Not to mention the fact that they are years away.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
We already had Gears 5 and Minecraft DXR XSX footage from March, it was also analyzed by DF.
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FeiRR
Banned
Kind of but there's much less footage to judge. Check textures in the far distance, under the sign (slopes) and then objects in front of the house on the left when he crosses the bridge. Those popups don't appear on X1X, at least in the footage I checked.
MasterCornholio
Member
Unlike the State of Decay demo the pop-ups don't just occur in the beginning. As the player moves around you notice some pop-in as well.
I remember seeing something similar in Ratchet with the instant teleportation.
Notice the pop-in on the left of Ratchett?
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Nah, the lead platform will be the bigger seller with more people playing on it, nevermind it being easier to develop for. PS3 was more powerful than a 360, but harder to work with and had less people playing, so 360 was lead platform.
geordiemp
Member
I think they will develop for the popular platform in consoles, Ps5, and it likely will run games better, and scale back for XSX and give up on XSS.
They may start offering ray tracing for XSX in patches as Ps5 seems to have no trouble here....oh wait
I dont see no console power, I see a 12 TF server design.
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DonJuanSchlong
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Why would they start with ps5, the weakest of all 3 platforms, especially with no direct way to push it to PC as well? It makes more sense to start with XSX/PC, and scale back the ps5's resolution/textures/effects, etc.
It doesn't make sense starting on the low end, and having to port that to both Xbox and pc, then having to scale up from there.
geordiemp
Member
Should I trigger all your posts as well ?
I am expecting ps5 to be roughly equal or better as well, but for hardware design rather than dev excuses.
geordiemp
Member
Ps5 is the strongest of the consoles and most popular and easiest to develop for, so devs start there and port to XSX and finally PC later as PC gaming is not where the money is.
With every game shown, are you not suspicious of the TF narrative by now ?
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
How many multi-plats last gen used PC as the base or the One X? Serious question, since power allegedly dictates it.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
No need to predict, mate. A big but flaccid 12" dick won't attract chicks like rock solid 10.3" one.
That 12TF couldn't even run Craig. Seems to be too hard to develop for.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
No need to predict, mate. A big but flaccid 12" dick won't attract chicks like rock solid 10.3" one.
No woman has ever needed more than 9.2 inches, you guys.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Maybe I'm going crazy, but all this time, literally everyone have pointed to the Xbox having a better GPU and CPU than ps5. Ps5 has faster storage. It wouldn't make sense to start with the weaker ps5, and have to scale up to 2 different platforms. Start with the stronger of the two, and port once.
Also if there's no money in PC gaming, compared to consoles, why would Jim let PC players begin to indulge on Sony exclusives? Let's take emotion out of this for a second. (Got no plans on getting either console, so I'm not one sided like some people I'm responding to)
DaleinCalgary
Member
Probably dev kit software, split memory etc. Theres more to the units than the GPU and CPU.
But I have no idea what I'm talking about so I'm sure someone here knows why.