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[Lunatic_Gamer]

PS5 vs XSX - A Forecast of the Next-Gen




Pretty fair and balanced opinion. Also very high quality production values, for YouTube standards that is.

 

[sircaw]

Just because @TheGreatWhiteShark isn't around anymore you feel this brave or is it something in the water?

i recently cleared my ignore list and thought i would give everyone a second chance, i had 3 members on it. Let's see how long things last.

 

[sircaw]

PS5 vs XSX - A Forecast of the Next-Gen




Pretty fair and balanced opinion. Also very high quality production values, for YouTube standards that is.

I watched it earlier today, i found his comments strangely negative.

Really used to love watching this guy but he hardly makes videos anymore.

 

[xacto]

i recently cleared my ignore list and thought i would give everyone a second chance, i had 3 members on it. Let's see how long things last.

I like your optimism... I wish it'd be contagious. Anyway... good luck with that, you will need it.

 

[DeadOblivion78]

I watched it earlier today, i found his comments strangely negative.

Really used to love watching this guy but he hardly makes videos anymore.

Robingaming has gone down the rabbit hill of anti-sjw. Here's a flattering article by (OAG) OneAngryGamer. https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...ets-called-out-by-youtubes-robingaming/62888/

 

[Md Ray]

That's promotional material, what's the point?

I didn't know that.

 

[DaGwaphics]

We are talking performance like an everything, Redtechgaming has a couple of good leaks in the last months and he say the RT of RDNA 2 is above RTX 2000 but below
Ampere, of course still be expensive.

I hope that's true. Would be great.

 

[Metroiddarks]

I hope that's true. Would be great.

Yes specially as we need a better competition from AMD side in PC.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Paul from RedGamingTech

"There is one small little thing, I'm kinda hesitant to bring it up because I know people are going to get mad at me, but I'm going to mention it anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that a variant of the Infinity Cache is in the PS5, now the reason I say that is because when I was asking my sources, a couple of them accurate, the same sources told me that the PS5 was running incredibly quiet, very cool and they gave me all the breakdown of the PS5 testing procedures from Sony thats turned out to be accurate, they told me that the cooling solution was very different, very unique and they gave me other insights and lo and behold we started to see patents for that.....but one hint they gave me was that cache coherency on the PS5 is incredibly important and this is one of the reasons we see cache scrubbers...when I asked my source why does it look there is some sort of stacked memory on the PS5, are we looking at 3D stacked memory? they told me and I quote "think PS Vita". So I don't know if that is the case that there some type of chunk of cache or if it some type of Infinity Cache, I am still pretty dam confident in my information that PS5 has custom RDNA 2 features, or more specifically it's built on RDNA 2 with custom features which are NOT seen on RDNA 2 silicon...we'll just have to wait and see."

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[Great Hair]

Looks very pretty, but the gameplay looks very one note to me. I’ll wait for some reviews I think.

F2P sold as retail. Sadly ...

Thanks for clearing up the temperature thing. That was my bad then.

I stand by the rest that I said

There is no way the CPU or GPU run at 30°.

Sorry, but the rest of your post is gibberish.

Seems you did not read any article at all about Sony´s event, the headlines were concise enough. You would have known that, right after the first paragraph. They even mentioned how warm the PS5 got (according to them).

Nobody mentioned once horizon 4K the past 48h or right after the Japanese event. So, no idea what´s with the tangent and or what "spreading nonsense about your competitor" has anything got to do with your initial inquiry (which was based on a wrong assumption).


You no fooling us!

 

[Neo Blaster]

Saving the RAM data on the HDD for it to be loaded later? Current gen could do that. Would it be worth it having a dump of 8GB write on a 5000rpm hdd? No. It would be slow as fuck to turn the system off. Hence the reason they didn't do it and just kept the RAM powered.

With SSDs, the barrier of slow I/O is gone. Nothing groundbreaking about it.

Loading is so fast it wouldn't even be necessary to save all those GBs from RAM, just save state and what assets to fetch from disk.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Watching Alex breakdown the more recent Spiderman footage and at some point he says "limited performance budget" as it relates to ray-tracing. Next thing I see on my YouTube feed is someone spreading fud about the PS5 not being powerful enough and commenters saying how Series X will show them! Sad, but predictable.

 

[CrysisFreak]

Paul from RedGamingTech

"There is one small little thing, I'm kinda hesitant to bring it up because I know people are going to get mad at me, but I'm going to mention it anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that a variant of the Infinity Cache is in the PS5, now the reason I say that is because when I was asking my sources, a couple of them accurate, the same sources told me that the PS5 was running incredibly quiet, very cool and they gave me all the breakdown of the PS5 testing procedures from Sony thats turned out to be accurate, they told me that the cooling solution was very different, very unique and they gave me other insights and lo and behold we started to see patents for that.....but one hint they gave me was that cache coherency on the PS5 is incredibly important and this is one of the reasons we see cache scrubbers...when I asked my source why does it look there is some sort of stacked memory on the PS5, are we looking at 3D stacked memory? they told me and I quote "think PS Vita". So I don't know if that is the case that there some type of chunk of cache or if it some type of Infinity Cache, I am still pretty dam confident in my information that PS5 has custom RDNA 2 features, or more specifically it's built on RDNA 2 with custom features which are NOT seen on RDNA 2 silicon...we'll just have to wait and see."

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This shit makes me feel giddy. Oh yeah.
Is Cerny an alien?

 

[saintjules]

 

[sircaw]

Paul from RedGamingTech

"There is one small little thing, I'm kinda hesitant to bring it up because I know people are going to get mad at me, but I'm going to mention it anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that a variant of the Infinity Cache is in the PS5, now the reason I say that is because when I was asking my sources, a couple of them accurate, the same sources told me that the PS5 was running incredibly quiet, very cool and they gave me all the breakdown of the PS5 testing procedures from Sony thats turned out to be accurate, they told me that the cooling solution was very different, very unique and they gave me other insights and lo and behold we started to see patents for that.....but one hint they gave me was that cache coherency on the PS5 is incredibly important and this is one of the reasons we see cache scrubbers...when I asked my source why does it look there is some sort of stacked memory on the PS5, are we looking at 3D stacked memory? they told me and I quote "think PS Vita". So I don't know if that is the case that there some type of chunk of cache or if it some type of Infinity Cache, I am still pretty dam confident in my information that PS5 has custom RDNA 2 features, or more specifically it's built on RDNA 2 with custom features which are NOT seen on RDNA 2 silicon...we'll just have to wait and see."

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If this is true i am so gonna slap your arse in a good way. Get my cane.

Please be true.

 

[roops67]

Yeah, heat pipes. The better the engineering and the more heat pipes used will emit less heat.

Heat pipes transfer heat from where it's not needed to where it can be diluted away by a fan. Not sure if I misunderstood you but they won't reduce the overall heat being emitted. Heat is energy, you must have heard energy can't be destroyed or created, just transformed

 

[user1337]

It also does this thing... it's really cool... where you don't have to have your controller plugged in with a wire!

And don't forget , basic voice commands as well.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

If this is true i am so gonna slap your arse in a good way. Get my cane.

Please be true.

I consider mys....*cough* I mean Paul a reliable source, but as with all leaks take it with a grain of salt!

 

[Great Hair]

Godfall requires an internet connection (PS+ not required for solo play - see OP)

https://www.psu.com/news/godfall-ps5-requires-an-internet-connection-and-ps-plus-to-play-the-game/ https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/godfall/ PlayStation’s official website has confirmed that Godfall on PS5 will require an internet connection and PS Plus to play the game, even if you...

www.neogaf.com

wtf?

If Division 2 requires an online fee for a paid game, why not Godfall? Sure, from look&feel it´s an F2P game to me, a generic hack&slash F2P with barely any depth that would have been free on PS5, unlike on some other platform. :wink:wink:

 

[sircaw]

I consider mys....*cough*bI mean Paul a reliable source, but as with all leaks take it with a grain of salt!

well if it is true, there are going to be some serious meltdowns in here.

fuck global warming, the real reason the worlds ocean levels are rising will come from Gaf.

 

[Great Hair]

it reminded me of this gem

 

[Axonometri]

Damn IT! I lost my grain of salt.. no body move

 

[TheContact]

Heat pipes transfer heat from where it's not needed to where it can be diluted away by a fan. Not sure if I misunderstood you but they won't reduce the overall heat being emitted. Heat is energy, you must have heard energy can't be destroyed or created, just transformed

yea, didn’t mean to say it emits less heat but that it transfers the heat away to somewhere else. It doesn’t necessarily need a fan (passive cooling) but a fan does help.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Damn IT! I lost my grain of salt.. no body move

Nope

 

[kyliethicc]

If this is true i am so gonna slap your arse in a good way. Get my cane.

Please be true.

why would you need a cane underwater?

stay in character cmon

 

[sircaw]

why would you need a cane underwater?

stay in character cmon

I am getting similar vibes from a cheap pack of Christmas crackers jokes.

Go on tell me?

Omg there is also that redfish you put in your hand that bends and curls and tells you how it feels.

 

[3liteDragon]

Exclusive interview with the Xbox team from Wired, article dropped today.

Thread link:

Wired: Xbox Has Always Chased Power. That's Not Enough Anymore. (Exclusive interview with the Xbox team)

https://www.wired.com/story/future-of-xbox-game-pass-xcloud-strategy/ Specs go a long way. But in exclusive interviews with WIRED, the Xbox team explains why they're thinking outside the teraflops. “Performance” is an Xbox word. So is “power.” When Microsoft wants you to think about...

www.neogaf.com

 

[3liteDragon]

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[3liteDragon]

Watching Alex breakdown the more recent Spiderman footage and at some point he says "limited performance budget" as it relates to ray-tracing. Next thing I see on my YouTube feed is someone spreading fud about the PS5 not being powerful enough and commenters saying how Series X will show them! Sad, but predictable.

Lol was it this guy?

 

[Sinthor]

Not a huge surprise. There was a reason they didn't show ANYTHING of the game. I'm telling you, MS was getting out of the gaming business and then reversed course, probably on the promise of subscription model gaming. Only thing that makes SENSE as far as them having NO GAMES ready for launch of a new console and being several YEARS away from doing so. I mean, it's either that or a company like Microsoft was just that incompetent? I don't buy that. MS is many things, but incompetent is not one of them.

 

[ethomaz]

Exclusive interview with the Xbox team from Wired, article dropped today.

Thread link:

Wired: Xbox Has Always Chased Power. That's Not Enough Anymore. (Exclusive interview with the Xbox team)

https://www.wired.com/story/future-of-xbox-game-pass-xcloud-strategy/ Specs go a long way. But in exclusive interviews with WIRED, the Xbox team explains why they're thinking outside the teraflops. “Performance” is an Xbox word. So is “power.” When Microsoft wants you to think about...

www.neogaf.com

Wired will now become relevant to green side.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

6-1 lol Ole's at the wheel

 

[DeadOblivion78]

Lol was it this guy?

That is Phil's right hand man.

 

[Elysion]

when I asked my source why does it look there is some sort of stacked memory on the PS5, are we looking at 3D stacked memory? they told me and I quote "think PS Vita".

Huh? Is there something special about the Vita’s memory? Surely the Vita doesn’t have stacked memory?

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Lol was it this guy?

Never Forget

 

[Rudius]

Paul from RedGamingTech

"we just have to wait and see."

Timestamped link

The wait for PS5 information must be a world record!

 

[DeadOblivion78]

Never Forget

I'd love see these idiots try to get into a debate with a hardware engineer and see how quick they dip out when they realize how out outside their own league they are. Mark Cerny would destroy them in about 5 minutes.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Lol was it this guy?

Yup. That guy. These dudes can't wait to jump on any sensationalist fud to blow out of proportion. GUYS! YOUR BOY HERE. PS5 IS DEAD.

 

[TwistedSyn]

I'd love see these idiots try to get into a debate with a hardware engineer and see how quick they dip out when they realize how out outside their own league they are. Mark Cerny would destroy them in about 5 minutes.

Pretty sure Matt Hargett would love to have a roundtable chat with them. Make them look like the fools they are.

 

[thelastword]

I'd love see these idiots try to get into a debate with a hardware engineer and see how quick they dip out when they realize how out outside their own league they are. Mark Cerny would destroy them in about 5 minutes.

5 minutes? Why so long?

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Yup. That guy. These dudes can't wait to jump on any sensationalist fud to blow out of proportion. GUYS! YOUR BOY HERE. PS5 IS DEAD.⚰☠⚱

People like him make the Xbox fans look bad. And the sad thing is they have a pretty big following and some Xbox heads interact with them so their followers think "wow, they must be very important if Greenberg comments on their videos" and the stuff they say gets a lot of attention, even if it's complete nonsense.

 

[Shmunter]

Paul from RedGamingTech

"There is one small little thing, I'm kinda hesitant to bring it up because I know people are going to get mad at me, but I'm going to mention it anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that a variant of the Infinity Cache is in the PS5, now the reason I say that is because when I was asking my sources, a couple of them accurate, the same sources told me that the PS5 was running incredibly quiet, very cool and they gave me all the breakdown of the PS5 testing procedures from Sony thats turned out to be accurate, they told me that the cooling solution was very different, very unique and they gave me other insights and lo and behold we started to see patents for that.....but one hint they gave me was that cache coherency on the PS5 is incredibly important and this is one of the reasons we see cache scrubbers...when I asked my source why does it look there is some sort of stacked memory on the PS5, are we looking at 3D stacked memory? they told me and I quote "think PS Vita". So I don't know if that is the case that there some type of chunk of cache or if it some type of Infinity Cache, I am still pretty dam confident in my information that PS5 has custom RDNA 2 features, or more specifically it's built on RDNA 2 with custom features which are NOT seen on RDNA 2 silicon...we'll just have to wait and see."

Timestamped link

May explain the abundance of raytracing launch titles on PS5 vs not much going on on XsX. Just a lot more accessible under such an architecture perhaps.

 

[B_Boss]

i have pre-ordered both; xbseries x and series s

Why purchase the Series S? Isn’t an X sufficient even without a 4k tv?

 

[kyliethicc]

I wonder if the PS5/XBSX will have system level super sampling built in for people who will not be using 4K TVs? I know the PS4 Pro does, works pretty well.

 

[DarkMage619]

People like him make the Xbox fans look bad. And the sad thing is they have a pretty big following and some Xbox heads interact with them so their followers think "wow, they must be very important if Greenberg comments on their videos" and the stuff they say gets a lot of attention, even if it's complete nonsense.

Yup. That guy. These dudes can't wait to jump on any sensationalist fud to blow out of proportion. GUYS! YOUR BOY HERE. PS5 IS DEAD.⚰☠⚱

I don't know of any 'Xbox fans' here that bring these guys up. It appears that they are far more popular with the Playstation guys. If you guys didn't mention them no one would talk about them. Why bring them up at all if you don't care for the Xbox platform?

 

[Loxus]

Lol was it this guy?

That's RDX crew.
If only there channel can get taken down for spreading misinformation.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

I don't know of any 'Xbox fans' here that bring these guys up. It appears that they are far more popular with the Playstation guys. If you guys didn't mention them no one would talk about them. Why bring them up at all if you don't care for the Xbox platform?

Wasn't really a shot at Xbox fanboys (maybe a little bit), but more a shot at these fly-by-night YouTube "tech" channels that focus only on next-gen consoles and spread as much fud as possible based on which platform they hold dear.

 

[iamvin22]

Did X900H get the firmware update? Or that's without it? So it has Freesync, probably Freesync Premium in the future?

Nope. I'm still waiting for that update before my purchase. Tv is on sale right now too for under 1k for the 65"

 

[pasterpl]

Why purchase the Series S? Isn’t an X sufficient even without a 4k tv?

to be completely open here, the series s was purchased as an early Xmas gift for my nephew. I will share my gamepass subscription With that console so his parents don’t need to worry about buying any games for him. He is 8 year old boy that cares only about fortnite, mine craft and forza horizon. I myself will use xb sex in my living/gaming room, my xbone x and PS4 pro will be connected in my bedroom

 

[roops67]

Although I'm skeptical of their claims, we also have to remember that bandwidth also plays a huge role as TF is just one part of the GPU. The PS5's GPU, 5700, and XT all have 448 GB/s, but on PS5 that 448 GB/s is shared between the CPU + GPU, and IIRC it's even shared with the Tempest Engine (AMD CUs stripped of its caches). Whereas those RDNA 1 dGPUs have their 448 GB/s fully reserved for themselves. We'll see how it all pans out, with RDNA 2's architectural improvements and other hardware customizations combined with Sony's very efficient low-level API, I do think PS5 will punch above its weight even compared to equivalent RDNA 2 PC dGPU over the coming years.

Agreed. There's a point that needs emphasizing about bandwidths, it can't be used as a factor for performance as much as total peak TerraFLOPS can either. What these higher bandwidth GPU's lack that PS5 has is effeciency that's handled by the geometry engine and cache scrubbers (and maybe other advancements we're not aware of yet). Geometry engine will make sure the bandwidth that's being utilised is on TerraFLOPS that are relevant on geometry that can be seen, not on wasted hidden geometry that gets culled away. Cache scrubbers will reduce the load on the bandwidth too by mitigating total cache reloads. So it's expected the PS5 will have lower bandwidth needs to render same graphics as other GPU's that don't have these technology advancements implemented