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Videocardz: AMD is targeting 3070 performance with Big Navi

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If this rumor is true, it would explain why the 3080 is one big chungus which uses so much power. It was originally going to be the “3080 Ti” but was made into the 3080 because Nvidia presumably wasn’t precisely sure how fast Big Navi would be. However by selling the 3080 for $800 they have brought the price back down to the same range the 1080 Ti was once priced at. The 3090 remains the ”Titan” tier card, just with a different name and a lower price.

Either way, we can look forward to another generation where AMD has absolutely nothing to compete with Nvidia on the top shelf, and it’s not clear exactly how much competition they can offer at the midrange either since we don’t know how good Big Navi’s RT performance will be nor does AMD have anything to compete with DLSS.

On the bright side, in general this Nvidia Ampere gen has had much better pricing than the Turing gen, and it’s close to the Pascal gen pricing. Now they just need to make more of the goddamned things so people can actually buy them!
 
redfirm

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yeah i dont think amd is capable of competing with the 3080 and 3090(which i really hope is not true),. nvidia came out of nowhere and did exactly what amd did to intel with their ryzen lineup
 
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martino

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ho no....
the amd speculation
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continue. i was fine at top.
 
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AquaticSquirrel

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This info supposedly comes from AIB partners, who this time around don't seem to know much as AMD is keeping its cards close to the chest with RDNA2 GPUs.

AIB partners have historically been very leaky weeks/months before a new release. Current rumours that I've seen suggest the following possibilities (in no particular order):

1. AMD hasn't told AIB partners pretty much anything and they are speculating based on 5700XT
2. AMD has purposely been giving misinformation to AIB partners so that nobody knows what to expect
3. AMD has given info only on a lower end SKU and not the top end to AIB partners (Navi 22?).

I've also heard rumours that there will be no AIB models this year as AMD will only be releasing a reference model to prevent the leaking of AIB partners ahead of their reveal. Some variations of this rumour suggest AMD might simply give their reference models to AIB's for them to add their sticker/branding last minute. No idea if any of this is true or not but these are what I've seen on twitter in reasonably reliable tech/leaker circles.

Of course, this could also potentially be true and maybe AMD only has something that beats out a 3070/2080ti by small amount. But that seems really unlikely given even basic napkin math with 80CUs. However anything is possible, I just really don't think AMD would drop the ball so hard given what we know about their roadmap, consoles and comparisons to RDNA1.

I mean this would suggest that AMD would assume that Nvidia would only be targeting 2080ti performance with their 3080 2 years later, which sounds somewhat far fetched.

This also flies in the face of most of the rumours we have heard so far about RDNA2/Navi 21 from fairly reliable people, for example people who leaked Infinity Cache before it was confirmed etc..

But like with anything we won't know until release presentation+benchmarks, not too long now! Only about 3 weeks until we see what AMD are cooking in the GPU space.

If I was a betting man I wouldn't take this "only targeting 3070" claim at face value to be honest.
 
Edgelord79

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The 3080 and 3090 are high end enthusiast cards. The 3070 crowd will likely make up the majority of users. It's smart for them to focus on this larger portion of the market.

I'm truth though I'll bet they release a card that is better than a 3070 but not as good as a 3080.
 
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Doubt.

80CUs @2.2Ghz with reasonable scaling and a 10% IPC bump is going to be 3080 territory at 4k and might best it at 1080p and 1440p.

Series X with 52CUs is already 2080-2080S level so a desktop part with 56CUs and higher clocks could easily be the 2080Ti/3070 competitor.

None of the current RDNA rumours make that much sense in totality so chances are there is a lot of, probably deliberately placed, mis-information at the moment.
 
Ellery

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That would be terrible, because :


- The 3070 is roughly around the 2080 Ti in terms of performance. nvidia said it is faster, but they also said the 3080 is 2X as fast as the 2080 which was a big lie (or rather deceptive)
- AMD has known the performance of the 2080 Ti for two years now. What did they expect? Nvidia going to release cards worse than the 2080 Ti?
- The 5700 XT is RDNA1 and a small chip and not bad. Why would they only get a small increase from going to RDNA2 with a bigger chip?

Honestly if the very best AMD has to offer has to compete with the 3070 that would be a big disappointment and a clear failure. I just don't see it happening.
I don't expect them to be as good as the RTX 3080, which is a brute force power hungry GPU, but there is a lot of room between the 3070 and 3080 for AMD to fit in with their best products.


I am not going to buy this year, I am still fine with my GPU, but RDNA2 being bad would suck for everyone. Yes everyone, but people at Nvidia. We need RDNA2 to be good for the consoles' sake and for competition in the discrete GPU space.
 
00_Zer0

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Papacheeks said:
Yea if you click on that tweet _Rogame makes fun of it and he/she is the person who has leaked a ton of shit in the past:
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Let's hope it's trolling, because I want to see AMD stick it to Nvidia because of all the screw ups since the 3080 launch. I am no loyalist to either side, but if the 6900 can't compete with 3080 then I'll just purchase a 3080 variant in 2021. I just want to see good competition and for someone to come in and make Nvidia sweat for once.
 
LordOfChaos

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So the next logical question would be, what went wrong with scaling to 80CUs if they can't compete? Look at where it is numerically. Infinity Cache wasn't enough to keep the beast fed?
 
Armorian

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40CU cards with performance ~2080ti? Quite big improvement over 5700XT

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But they clearly have bigger chips incoming so what about targeting 3070 bullshit if lower part is ~that performance?
 
RoboFu

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diffusionx said:
Wait, so you're telling me, we could have a situation where a massively hyped AMD GPU comes out underpowered and disappointing compared to Nvidia?

Truly shocking.
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I dont see how they are being massively hyped by anyone except maybe a few fanboys and maybe youtubers who hype everything for clicks . 🤷‍♂️ AMD hasnt hyped these at all.
 
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regawdless

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I hope that it's going to be as powerful as possible. While I'm currently on team Nvidia (PC), I want AMD to knock it out of the park. Because I believe that'll be a good sign for my future PS5 and PS5 Pro ownership hehe
 
Mentat02

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I've been saying AMD isn't aiming for 3080. most AMD users will be happy to be on par with 2080ti in Raytracing performance and slightly better in rasterization. AMD never said they are going to aim for ampere high end. the hardcore red only gamers are going to be spazzing out as usual crying Nvidia monopoly.
 
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Vega 56/64 situation again? I hope not.
 
McHuj

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Armorian said:
40CU cards with performance ~2080ti? Quite big improvement over 5700XT

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But they clearly have bigger chips incoming so what about targeting 3070 bullshit if lower part is ~that performance?
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I would find it disappointing if the 40 CU version came in at ~2080ti level, but the 80 CU couldn't match the 3080 based.
 
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Armorian said:
40CU cards with performance ~2080ti? Quite big improvement over 5700XT

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But they clearly have bigger chips incoming so what about targeting 3070 bullshit if lower part is ~that performance?
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On that chart it has 34% to climb to match it. AMD claims to have 50% performance over RDNA1. So, its very feasible.
 
SantaC

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diffusionx said:
Wait, so you're telling me, we could have a situation where a massively hyped AMD GPU comes out underpowered and disappointing compared to Nvidia?

Truly shocking.
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No one has hyped the new AMD GPU since there isnt a lot of information to go on.
 
wordslaughter

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Bolivar687 said:
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It does sound a little far-fetched that Nvidia was originally going to have the 3080 with the same performance as the 2080 Ti.
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Far-fetched? The 2080 was/is very on par with a 1080ti. (rasterization)Granted, the gen on gen improvements are usually larger than that. Maxwell to Pascal was far larger, but a 3080 with the same performance as the 2080ti would not be unprecedented from Nvidia. Stingy, but not unprecedented.

Luckily we had AMD to put the pressure on and now have a 3080 that's more powerful than it might have been otherwise.
 
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llien

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AMD not doubling CU count would be weird.
80 CU RDNA 2 not being in vicinity of 3080 would be even weirder.

In parallel there is this:



Anyhow, stranger things have happened. Let's wait for an actual release.



And this, makes no sense whatsoever: "A highly clocked 40CU RDNA2 (Navi22) should land around 3070 "
 
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Pagusas

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I have no clue why AMD would "tease" an underperforming Big Navi like that?? Like tease a DLSS alternative, Tease your ray tracing solution, dont tease "we wont even touch 3080 performance!"
 
Ascend

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Pagusas said:
I have no clue why AMD would "tease" an underperforming Big Navi like that?? Like tease a DLSS alternative, Tease your ray tracing solution, dont tease "we wont even touch 3080 performance!"
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It was Big Navi. They never said it was full die Big Navi. And obviously the price will also be a factor. If you can get performance between an RTX 3070 and an RTX 3080 with 16GB of ram with lower power consumption for $550, which of the three would you buy?
 
Zathalus

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Andodalf said:
Anyone who expected 3080 Perf here was deluding themselves, 3070 was the target
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That Borderlands 3 benchmark is not the '"BAD ASS" setting, refer to -> https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-review?page=2

Roughly the same speed.

Gears 5 is slower and Modern Warfare is slower or faster depending on if that included RT as part of the benchmark. I'm leaning towards RT on as it is the Ultra preset.

If that is the case, 1 game is the same speed as the 3080, one is slower, and one is faster.

So roughly 3080 levels of power with more VRAM.
 
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Nydus

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Zathalus said:
That Borderlands 3 benchmark is not the '"BAD ASS" setting, refer to -> https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-review?page=2

Roughly the same speed.

Gears 5 is slower and Modern Warfare is slower or faster depending on if that included RT as part of the benchmark. I'm leaning towards RT on as it is the Ultra preset.

If that is the case, 1 game is the same speed as the 3080, one is slower, and one is faster.

So roughly 3080 levels of power with more VRAM.
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Interesting, thanks!
 
Reindeer

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Pagusas said:
I have no clue why AMD would "tease" an underperforming Big Navi like that?? Like tease a DLSS alternative, Tease your ray tracing solution, dont tease "we wont even touch 3080 performance!"
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Which could mean that this wasn't their top tier card or else they wouldn't release such disappointing numbers weeks before reveal. AMD might be setting us up for a big bombshell with the top Big Navi card.
 
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johntown

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I prefer NVIDIA by far but I really hope AMD comes out with something competitive. That can hopefully keep NVIDIA's prices in check.

I wonder if NVIDIA knows what is coming and maybe that is why the 3090 is not an obnoxious price?

If they can only compete with a 3070 it is DOA.
 
Pagusas

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Dinky said:
Which could mean that this wasn't their top tier card or else they wouldn't release such disappointing numbers weeks before reveal.
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why in the world would you bother than???? You just made everyone on the fenced think “oh.. ok 3080 it is then!”
 
Bolivar687

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Looks like it's slightly faster or slower in Modern Warfare depending on what game mode you're comparing.

It's much closer to the 3080 than the 3070.
 
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