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[Reindeer]

Which was what exactly? It being a midrange card?

No lol. The comment I replied to stated that top AMD card can only compete with Nvidia's midrange lineup, so I said that makes 3080 midrange since Big Navi seems to be on par with 3080 in benchmarks AMD showed. It was tongue in cheek reply.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

No lol. The comment I replied to stated that top AMD card can only compete with Nvidia's midrange lineup, so I said that makes 3080 midrange since Big Navi seems to be on par with it in benchmarks AMD showed .

Ooof guess that definitely went over my head.

My bad Thugnificient as well.

r/whooosh

 

[KungFucius]

AMD rumors have been garbage for over a year. The Ryzen 3xxxX chips were supposedly going to be 2 more cores than they launched with. Big Navi was possibly coming early this year was targeting 2080Tt, this summer, in September. But then it was amazing and was 3090 tier for half the cost and now it is not again. And the latest CPUs are more expensive than a lot were thinking.

I want to see competition, but I am sick of the rumors being so much better than the real thing and leading to disappointment.

 

[Ascend]

AMD rumors have been garbage for over a year. The Ryzen 3xxxX chips were supposedly going to be 2 more cores than they launched with. Big Navi was possibly coming early this year was targeting 2080Tt, this summer, in September. But then it was amazing and was 3090 tier for half the cost and now it is not again. And the latest CPUs are more expensive than a lot were thinking.

I want to see competition, but I am sick of the rumors being so much better than the real thing and leading to disappointment.

There is little reason for them to charge less. The script has basically flipped between Intel and AMD on the CPU front.
As for Big Navi. We still don't know enough. It is quite possible that this is the cut down die. It is equally possible that it is not. We simply don't know at this point. We have to simply wait another few weeks.

 

[johntown]

Still far too much for that extra vram. In wondering how much the 3080 20gb version will be

Do you mean the Ti? Or has a 20GB been confirmed because I would be interested in that over the 3090.

 

[supernova8]

Maybe that card the benchmarks they showed were Navi 22 and they're trolling everyone... but no in all seriousness... Isn't it a bit weird to expect them to go from having nothing to compete with 2080 Ti to suddenly having something to compete with even 3080?

Being a bit better than 3070 sounds like most realistic. If they can be between a 3070 and a 3080 say $549 then I'm in.

 

[nani17]

Do you mean the Ti? Or has a 20GB been confirmed because I would be interested in that over the 3090.

The 20gb version has been leaked already. Gigabyte posted it by a mistake on their website and then removed it

 

[CuNi]

Do you mean the Ti? Or has a 20GB been confirmed because I would be interested in that over the 3090.

A 3080ti is not going to happen.
ti is associated with also a performance bump, but 3080 and 3090 are already so close together that you can OC high-end 3080s to 3090 performance levels. It would be impossible to justify a 80ti with only more VRAM.
That's why there will only be a 3080 20GB Version, but I don't think we'll see a 3080ti this gen at all.

 

[fybyfyby]

Im fan of AMD and probably will buy 6900 XT(X), but I expect, that AMD showed only best game results on best card in combination with best cpu they have. So in the end, I expect 15% sub 3080 fps. Still 3080 has DLSS, which can be a huge reason to buy it - if it is supported by more games. Most pesimistic opinion is, that AMD has something like DLSS and these results are with it. But that would be really bad. I hope, 28.10. we will see spectacular show.

 

[Ascend]

Im fan of AMD and probably will buy 6900 XT(X), but I expect, that AMD showed only best game results on best card in combination with best cpu they have. So in the end, I expect 15% sub 3080 fps. Still 3080 has DLSS, which can be a huge reason to buy it - if it is supported by more games. Most pesimistic opinion is, that AMD has something like DLSS and these results are with it. But that would be really bad. I hope, 28.10. we will see spectacular show.

This is possible...

But what I think they did, is clock the card to perform pretty much the same as a 3080, and doing it with less power. I really doubt this is their best results, considering their performance with the games they showed... In Borderlands 3 for example, the 5700XT is a lot closer to the 2070 than the 2070S, while normally it's the opposite.

To me it looks like they're sandbagging a bit, but, I might be wrong.

 

[NXGamer]

They are not on par, they sit between a 2080ti and a 3080, exactly where we all expect the 3070 to be.

Do we?

 

[llien]

Borderlands in NV's own slides:

between a 3070 and a 3080 say $549 then I'm in.

3080 at $699 does not exist. I doubt AMD would even bother considering it when pricing own cards.

 

[supernova8]

Borderlands in NV's own slides:

3080 at $699 does not exist. I doubt AMD would even bother considering it when pricing own cards.

If they're far worse than 3080 in ray tracing (it will start to become significant once PS5/Xbox is in the wild and adding ray tracing becomes the new norm) then they cannot take the piss. Honestly I don't think AMD is even close to having the right to take the piss on GPU pricing. They have to beat NVIDIA outright at least once before I'll give them a pass.

 

[llien]

If they're far worse than 3080 in ray tracing

In all the 6 (7?) games that use RT, they are far worse, I think it's a given.
I'm even contnuously told it's not DXR but NV's own extension that is used for RT, so it's even worse: they are not compatible!

 

[llien]

Dissecting the AMD vs. Nvidia chess match
Most importantly, Herkelman stressed that AMD didn’t state which Radeon RX 6000 graphics card ran these benchmarks. We don’t know whether these results come from the biggest Big Navi GPU, or a more modest offering. (Herkelman also said there’s still fine-tuning left to do before launch.)

AMD’s Radeon RX 6000 ‘Big Navi’ performance tease reveals an RTX 3080 rival

During AMD's Ryzen 5000 launch even, the company provided a performance preview of its upcoming Radeon RX 6000 graphics cards, and they look ready to go toe-to-toe with Nvidia's beastly RTX 3080.

www.pcworld.com

Whatever that means.

 

[lastmessiah]

AMD: Just wait.

 

[Neo_game]

RTX 3070 will not match 2080ti, may be in 1440P. I am pretty sure Big Navi will beat the 3070 but they will have to overclock is really aggressive as predicted to get close to RTX 3080

 

[llien]

they will have to overclock is really aggressive as predicted to get close to RTX 3080

Given that 3080 has no OCing headroom, I don't think that would be a problem, chuckle.

 

[Rentahamster]

For some reason, they say, NV/Intel users are those who suffer from bad AMD drivers the most.

Does r/AMD know that?

 

[llien]

So, on 28th of October we will figure:

1) Why did NV use GA102 (Titan level) chip for 3080 instead of GA104 (smaller chip, used in 3070)
2) Why did NV clock 3080 to a point there is no OC headroom left
3) Why did NV put $699 price tag on a GA102 chip
4) Why does weird 10GB config on a 3080 card even exist, when we'll see 3070 with 16GB soon

My senses tell me there will be lots of meltdowns and spinning at the end of this month.... ))

Does r/AMD know that?

That is where most NV users share their pain, dude. Note how it is much more crowded than the green subr.
That is why there is /r/realAMD but green users are working on infiltrating that too, chuckle.

 

[prinz_valium]

Maybe that card the benchmarks they showed were Navi 22 and they're trolling everyone... but no in all seriousness... Isn't it a bit weird to expect them to go from having nothing to compete with 2080 Ti to suddenly having something to compete with even 3080?

Being a bit better than 3070 sounds like most realistic. If they can be between a 3070 and a 3080 say $549 then I'm in.

No, it's Navi 21
We just don't know what version of Big Navi

 

[The Skull]

I think the biggest thing that is noteworthy is that AMD will have some competition at the end high for the first time in god knows how many years, and not with a shitty blower cooler. Big Navi will probably be between the 3070 & 3080 but as long as it's priced accordingly, with some sort of DLSS alternative, it could be an exciting battle between AMD and Nvidia this gen.

 

[Rikkori]

Does r/AMD know that?

That's the biggest POS AMD forum of all, and has been filled with nothing but anti-Radeon rhetoric ever since Pascal launched. Genuine AMD users don't bother with that shithole for long.

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

 

[Thugnificient]

3080 at $699 does not exist. I doubt AMD would even bother considering it when pricing own cards.

RTX 3070 will not match 2080ti, may be in 1440P. I am pretty sure Big Navi will beat the 3070 but they will have to overclock is really aggressive as predicted to get close to RTX 3080

Considering Ampere performs worse in 1440p than in 4K, it'd be impossible for the 3070 to beat the 2080 Ti at 1440p but not 4K unless it has pathetic memory bandwidth. If it beats the 2080 Ti in in 1440p, the gap would widen in 4K.

 

[llien]

Could you elaborate.

 

[Thugnificient]

Could you elaborate.

Elaborate on what? Unlike with the RTX 2080 Ti, 3080's at MSRP do exist.

 

[CuNi]

Could you elaborate.

Just because something is out of stock doesn't mean it does not exist.
There are 3080s for 699 that you can order and will eventually receive.

 

[Neo_game]

Considering Ampere performs worse in 1440p than in 4K, it'd be impossible for the 3070 to beat the 2080 Ti at 1440p but not 4K unless it has pathetic memory bandwidth. If it beats the 2080 Ti in in 1440p, the gap would widen in 4K.

3070 is severely BW limited. It is more targeted toward 1440P. This 500$ for RTX 2080ti performance always seemed BS to me. I will be surprised if it matches 2080S.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

A 3080ti is not going to happen.
ti is associated with also a performance bump, but 3080 and 3090 are already so close together that you can OC high-end 3080s to 3090 performance levels. It would be impossible to justify a 80ti with only more VRAM.
That's why there will only be a 3080 20GB Version, but I don't think we'll see a 3080ti this gen at all.

There could be a 3090ti.

 

[Black_Stride]

There could be a 3090ti.

It would need to be on a completely new chip because the 3090 already fully occupies Nvidias biggest chip.

 

[duhmetree]

What if AMD is jebaiting the jebait. What if thats benchmarks from a 6800?

I am suspect of AMD revealing their 'halo product' numbers in a Zen3 reveal. We'll see Oct. 28th

 

[Thugnificient]

3070 is severely BW limited. It is more targeted toward 1440P. This 500$ for RTX 2080ti performance always seemed BS to me. I will be surprised if it matches 2080S.

448GB/s isn't "severely limited".

 

[Ascend]

 

[llien]

Elaborate on what? Unlike with the RTX 2080 Ti, 3080's at MSRP do exist.

Just because something is out of stock doesn't mean it does not exist.
There are 3080s for 699 that you can order and will eventually receive.

Oh, so 3080 does exist. Good to know.
Where can I order it please? Nowhere? That's ok!
Where can I PRE ORDER it? Still nowhere? How amusing...

 

[CuNi]

Oh, so 3080 does exist. Good to know.
Where can I order it please? Nowhere? That's ok!
Where can I PRE ORDER it? Still nowhere? How amusing...

What the fuck are you talking about.
You can pre-order them on caseking, alternate, nbb and that's just the tip of my head in Germany.

I'm sorry you are unable to find a place to pre-order but your inability to do so does not mean they do not exist.

 

[Rickyiez]

3070 is severely BW limited. It is more targeted toward 1440P. This 500$ for RTX 2080ti performance always seemed BS to me. I will be surprised if it matches 2080S.

LOL what. 2080s is barely faster than 1080 Ti. My 3080 is easily 2x faster than 1080 Ti in DX12 games I tested like Control, RDR2 and Metro Exodus even at 1440p. I assume 3070 would be very close than 2080 Ti while trashes 2080s

 

[Neo_game]

LOL what. 2080s is barely faster than 1080 Ti. My 3080 is easily 2x faster than 1080 Ti in DX12 games I tested like Control, RDR2 and Metro Exodus even at 1440p. I assume 3070 would be very close than 2080 Ti while trashes 2080s

What do you mean by close ? If it is with in 20% of 2080ti then it is equivalent to 2080S lol.

 

[Ascend]

What do you mean by close ? If it is with in 20% of 2080ti then it is equivalent to 2080S lol.

I don't expect the 3070 to be more than 5% faster than the 2080Ti.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Oh, so 3080 does exist. Good to know.
Where can I order it please? Nowhere? That's ok!
Where can I PRE ORDER it? Still nowhere? How amusing...

Why would you even care? Strange how the biggest preorder issues with these Nvidia cards are being experienced by AMD superfans...

 

[Ascend]

In other news... The numbers presented by AMD in their keynote was a GPU with either 64 or 72CUs. If the 80CU exists, we will see even higher performance.

 

[llien]

Why would you even care? Strange how the biggest preorder issues with these Nvidia cards are being experienced by AMD superfans...

Yeah, making an argument "it's a virtual card" why would I care indeed, chuckle.

So where can I even PREORDER 3080, enlightened ones? Nowhere? Oh, so it is indeed a virtual release after all.

What the fuck are you talking about.
You can pre-order them on caseking, alternate, nbb and that's just the tip of my head in Germany.

Let me check, say, alternate (the big guys):
Cheapest 3080 is 819 Euro, many above 900 Euro, a lot at 999 (cool eh?).
Oh, even for that price: Liefertermin unbekannt
Case king, cheapest card is 812 Euro, delivery time "unknown".

Very cool, bruhs. I mean, figuring that nobody could ban German stores from accepting pre-orders, a really pleasant surprise.

 

[llien]

The honest title of this thread would have been "It seems like Huang was planning to sell GA104 as 3080, but Lisa ruled out that option".
I'm sorry if reading that hurts your feelings.

 

[Calverz]

I still dont have a 3080 ordered or pre ordered. Im only interested in the FE edition but at this stage i feel like i could be waiting for a year before its anywhere near availabe in the uk

 

[grfunkulus]

In other news... The numbers presented by AMD in their keynote was a GPU with either 64 or 72CUs. If the 80CU exists, we will see even higher performance.

Lul no. They just claimed it wasn't the absolute highest end. No confirmation it's not the slower clocked (rumored) biggest Navi. Navi 21 A and B, with one about 150mhz faster than the other, both 80cus.

This would allow them to say they showed 'not the highest end' while still being within arm's reach of the 3080. A 7-9% gain would put them at or slightly beyond 3080 for the highest end Navi which wasnt ever a huge question . The 3090 probably remains out of reach and there's no way they beat it with a $550-650 card.

 

[Manstructiclops]

Oh, so 3080 does exist. Good to know.
Where can I order it please? Nowhere? That's ok!
Where can I PRE ORDER it? Still nowhere? How amusing...

My jaw dropped when I saw that picture. LOL

The real cards are evidently the 16 and 20 gig variants. And they'll be considerably more expensive.

I used to work at SCAN in the uk, you'll be shocked at how low volume these high end cards actually are. So if they cant even hit those numbers, these things may as well not even exist.

 

[Manstructiclops]

Why would you even care? Strange how the biggest preorder issues with these Nvidia cards are being experienced by AMD superfans...

Spare us. You squeeze through the cracks of every radeon thread leaving your ectoplasmic slug trail behind you.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Spare us. You squeeze through the cracks of every radeon thread leaving your ectoplasmic slug trail behind you.

Stay mad, it's all you can do now. The old NeoGAF which had a mod that loved AMD and banned people who spoke ill of the Glorious Red Corporation is gone now and so I can speak my mind without fearing a ban here.

 

[CuNi]

Yeah, making an argument "it's a virtual card" why would I care indeed, chuckle.

So where can I even PREORDER 3080, enlightened ones? Nowhere? Oh, so it is indeed a virtual release after all.



Let me check, say, alternate (the big guys):
Cheapest 3080 is 819 Euro, many above 900 Euro, a lot at 999 (cool eh?).
Oh, even for that price: Liefertermin unbekannt
Case king, cheapest card is 812 Euro, delivery time "unknown".

Very cool, bruhs. I mean, figuring that nobody could ban German stores from accepting pre-orders, a really pleasant surprise.

I think I can see the problem now.
You have a issue understanding what "pre-order" means it seems.
You see, when you pre-order something, you get it when it's available. Pre-order means it's not available right now but your spot in the queue has been saved.
But it's okay. I get it. It's hard for you to understand a EU system when you didn't even have pre-orders in the US until people were outraged.
Maybe next time it'll be standard for you guys too!

In all honesty, you're grasping for straws here.
Those cards exist. They are getting shipped, you can order them and you will get them when your spot is up in the queue.
Stop the fake news with paperlaunch.

 

[Ascend]

Lul no. They just claimed it wasn't the absolute highest end. No confirmation it's not the slower clocked (rumored) biggest Navi. Navi 21 A and B, with one about 150mhz faster than the other, both 80cus.

This would allow them to say they showed 'not the highest end' while still being within arm's reach of the 3080. A 7-9% gain would put them at or slightly beyond 3080 for the highest end Navi which wasnt ever a huge question . The 3090 probably remains out of reach and there's no way they beat it with a $550-650 card.

They claimed no such thing. They said they didn't confirm which SKU it is. Technically it can still be the highest one, but it's more likely that it isn't. The leaks of Navi 21A and 21B may or may not be final.
Theoretically, an 80CU RDNA2 card should have no problem being 20% faster than an RTX 3080, provided there are no other bottlenecks.