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[Nubulax]

I'm sure that's what MS wanted you to believe and as usual it worked. Sony is not one to get into a public dick measuring contest, so it will take some time to become clear. MS is better at marketing and throwing red meat to it's army of social media fanboys.

Microsoft in the past years has ALWAYS been chirp chirp chirp or bark bark bark whatever you prefer...but where are the results..where are these great NEW games, both at end of this current gen and going forward next gen. You know, the thing that actually matters in a GAMING console

 

[Blue Spring]

Amd confirmed the "fud"

Do you even know what FUD means?

 

[Lort]

All Hail MS.... Do people even hear themselves...

anyone who uses the cloud in an enterprise scenario knows how MS > AWS >>>> everyone else.

 

[too much eslim]

2021 is not 4 years away...

Point? The claim is xbox series x is held back due to xbox one. Also that xbox needs to move away from it. However Sony is supporting ps4 for 4 years and MS only said two. Plus all of MS first party games announced is for next gen aside from Halo. However the reason I brought up Sony is because Horizon 2 looks beautiful so far and it's on both systems. So his argument isn't valid.

 

[hemo memo]

 

[BeardGawd]

"we invented direct x"

Expect another similar result this generation that amounts to nothing. Just because you create your own software solutions doesn't mean they can't be replicated elsewhere. And in Sony's API case, probably better.

This has nothing to do with Software, APIs or DirectX. From MS themselves:

Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities AMD showcased today.

You need the APIs and tools to be developed that's for sure but all these features have hardware support on Xbox.

 

[GHG]

Dear lord above help us all.

Today will be a bloodbath.

It's only just begun.

Wait until we start getting game benchmark comparisons and results are not what people expect.

Real world performance is more important than marketing bullet points.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

XboxGAF has been told for weeks by pseudo-engineers/bullshitters like geordiemp that Series X/S wasn't full RDNA2 and the reckoning was coming on Oct 28th. We're mostly just relieved these FUD spreaders are confirmed to be wrong.

I've always maintained there will be parity between the consoles and I still believe it 100%

All these clowns with fake ass engineering degree got exposed, and hopefully for good..should keep them quiet from now on.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I've said this many times, when NeoGAF sees positive Xbox News, the wasps swarm.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Maybe Sony didnt want full *PC* implementation of RDNA 2, so they put their own secret sauce recipe of Cell Like SPU for audio, and other super dragon ball z charging to increase the Pooowwaa level?!!

 

[The Alien]

PS5 does have RDNAToo.

 

[Calverz]

Microsoft doing everything right

 

[I'm nobody]

Why are people worried PS4 is underpowered to Xbox and still wins console wars even with loss of doom Skyrim and so on I don't worry for Sony or Playstation5

Xbox just like buttering fans up with buying companies up and bigger numbers
All playground shit to me

Enjoy games on whatever u like .

Xbox fans are like that piss sponge when ms talks spec Phil Spencer

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

The Raster, Prim and L1 cache is in each own row of dual CU's. L2, geometry and DMA are probably situated in my red ring, so there wouldnt be enough space left for something as big (as in transistor size) as the "infinity cache".
I stand corrected thx!

Oh Satanás, give me strength!
Here is your SeX GPU:

 

[Jimmyisback]

MS has been firing on all cylinders. Incredible job.

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

You need the APIs and tools to be developed that's for sure but all these features have hardware support on Xbox.

Having the features on the GPU means noting if your System isn't able to use it, it's true.
But, why the hell it's the competition that's showcasing all the new features, not Microsoft? They did their best to NOT show games running on real SeX hardware, RT is missing, like their SO is still not ready to use all the features.

It's double annoying because if feels like Microsoft is talking like they're the only industry standard and they're not.
Most of those new DirectX12U features are development and standardized in agreement with the whole industry.

 

[Concern]

This thread has confused me. Im seeing guys from the spec thread going at each other here lol. Its like they can't decide on anything now .

Almost 500 posts in and not even a cameo appearance from our champion engineer geordiemp who spent all month promoting this event?

 

[mckmas8808]

I think many in this thread are being tricked by smart PR.

 

[RaySoft]

Oh Satanás, give me strength!
Here is your SeX GPU:

That "Infinity Fabric" going around the whole GPU there tho' must be L3 cache....

 

[Andodalf]

I think many in this thread are being tricked by smart PR.

Geodemp tricked a lot of people but I dont think he's too smart

 

[Aguero9320]

Stupid work, feel like I’m too late to really enjoy the madness

Nothing better than when a forum mouth gets slammed shut but doesn’t show up to take their medicine... A legend is born.

 

[too much eslim]

Having the features on the GPU means noting if your System isn't able to use it, it's true.
But, why the hell it's the competition that's showcasing all the new features, not Microsoft? They did their best to NOT show games running on real SeX hardware, RT is missing, like their SO is still not ready to use all the features.

It's double annoying because if feels like Microsoft is talking like they're the only industry standard and they're not.
Most of those new DirectX12U features are development and standardized in agreement with the whole industry.

The lack of gameplay I assume has to do with late development kits I assume to have all the features. However that's the sword they fall on. They should have made a graphically intensive game even if lasted for 5 hours just to help promote the power. Also don't know how much covid-19 impacted development. However these are just excuses they needed to find a way to showcase the power and didn't deliver.

 

[skneogaf]

geordiemp has been very vocal about all this, I'm interested to hear what they have to say about this?

 

[geordiemp]

geordiemp has been very vocal about all this, I'm interested to hear what they have to say about this?

about what, this ?

 

[geordiemp]

Oh Satanás, give me strength!
Here is your SeX GPU:

No thats half of Big Navi, chopped in half from Locuzza tweet lol which shows 10 CU per shader array, infinity cache and the Cus will be different to get the high clocks which AMD told you what it was below.

XSX is totally different, 14 CU per array for started, 20 waves rather than 16 etc and fixed clocks.

Also note the fine details about RDNA2 Cus - you would not fix clocks around fine grain clock gating control of WGP.

There is a difference between silicon hardware, features and APis Riky

Also

 

[Riky]

geordiemp has been very vocal about all this, I'm interested to hear what they have to say about this?

Yes they are using full RDNA2 Architecture and features,.

But the XSX cUs are not RDNA2
.

 

[The Leaked Truths]

I bet the PlayStation 5 doesn't have VRS besides some other Features which would be a huge loss because VRS is Awesome.

 

[onQ123]

Xbox Series X has a total of 76MB of SRAM across the SoC I know 12MB of that is the CPU & 5MB of it is the GPU l2 cache I'm not sure about the size of the other cache in the SoC but if Xbox Series X has Infinity Cache it's a lot smaller than the 128MB that the other RDNA 2 chips have

 

[Concern]

No thats half of Big Navi, chopped in half from Locuzza tweet lol which shows 10 CU per shader array, infinity cache and the Cus will be different to get the high clocks which AMD told you what it was below.

XSX is totally different, 14 CU per array for started, 20 waves rather than 16 etc and fixed clocks.

Also note the fine details about RDNA2 Cus - you would not fix clocks around fine grain clock gating control of WGP.

There is a difference between silicon hardware, features and APis Riky

Also

Its Time to stop posting.

 

[Dnice123]

Weird that AMD would allow their logo to be used for PR fud. I'm expecting a press release from them any minute admonishing Microsoft for using their trademark to speared untruths.

 

[Jigsaah]

You magnanimous bastard.






I agree.

So is the console war over now?

 

[Concern]

Weird that AMD would allow their logo to be used for PR fud. I'm expecting a press release from them any minute admonishing Microsoft for using their trademark to speared untruths.

geordiemp and some other guys are still trying to insinuate its RDNA1 somehow. Mind boggling

 

[mckmas8808]

geordiemp and some other guys are still trying to insinuate its RDNA1 somehow. Mind boggling

Are you sure? I'd be surprised if geordiemp was saying that. Doesn't sound like he'd think that about the XSX.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

Weird that AMD would allow their logo to be used for PR fud. I'm expecting a press release from them any minute admonishing Microsoft for using their trademark to speared untruths.

Microsoft will Acquire AMD next....

 

[geordiemp]

I bet the PlayStation 5 doesn't have VRS besides some other Features which would be a huge loss because VRS is Awesome.

VRS is part of Fidelity FX

Some Fidelity FX users....

 

[Concern]

Are you sure? I'd be surprised if geordiemp was saying that. Doesn't sound like he'd think that about the XSX.

Just check his post history. CUs are rdna1 according to him. And also mentioned something about ps5 being rdna3.

 

[mckmas8808]

Just check his post history. CUs are rdna1 according to him. And also mentioned something about ps5 being rdna3.

Hmmmmm...... geordiemp this true man? Tell me it's not true what they are saying about you.....

 

[Black_Stride]

custom equivalent.

From cardboard boxes to software api features. You Xbox bros are on a roll lately.

"we invented direct x"

Expect another similar result this generation that amounts to nothing. Just because you create your own software solutions doesn't mean they can't be replicated elsewhere. And in Sony's API case, probably better.

We are literally watching someone go through these stages in real time.

Anger and Bargaining seem to have been reached.....I patiently await Depression.

 

[geordiemp]

Hmmmmm...... geordiemp this true man? Tell me it's not true what they are saying about you.....

Whatever. Cant be bothered with tittle tattle and stuff, boring.

If you want to discuss something technical I am happy to discuss

 

[RaySoft]

Weird that AMD would allow their logo to be used for PR fud. I'm expecting a press release from them any minute admonishing Microsoft for using their trademark to speared untruths.

No one has said it's not true. It's only that some manage to spin that fact into it being better than "something" else.
If Sony were to have the same GPU layout as the Series X, they would have done a horrible job. They simply don't need some of the logic.

 

[Concern]

Hmmmmm...... geordiemp this true man? Tell me it's not true what they are saying about you.....

Whatever. Cant be bothered with tittle tattle and stuff, boring.

If you want to discuss something technical I am happy to discuss

Deflecting of course. There's your answer and the post history. There's nothing "technical" from fanboy fantasies.

 

[DustQueen]

I do not thing it is bad news for PS5
But it is great news for Series S

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

No thats half of Big Navi, chopped in half from Locuzza tweet

Yes, I know, I'm the one that cropped that image, just to show him what is in that area that where he is seeing IF in his fever dream.
Cache memory have a distinct look, you know what it is just looking at the die shot.

 

[GHG]

Edit: wrong thread.

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

Please, have a better look at this bigger image from the SeX SOC:

It's not there, it's simply not there!
Like I said cache is easily identifiable by eye, and I can't see this extra amount of cache here.
There's only one alternative, only one alternative that I'm willing to accept. Look at this:

See that bottom part below the CUs?
My alternative to this controversy is that Microsoft was forced by AMD to hide the Infinity Cache and it's in the "cropped" bottom from their die shot.

But still, why Microsoft didn't revealed the trick today with this news?

 

[BeardGawd]

Well DF has commented:

My hunch here on this is that XSX and XSS have a more complete programmable Front end with mesh shaders (vs. the older primitive shader type), the Hardware VRS, and the technical hw required for the next Version of tiled resources, which is called Sampler Feedback. And I think, without saying positviely for certain, that that is why MS was so keen to make those features so prominent in their pre-release Material in the Xbox Series X. It was their hardware Feature advantage, they knew it, so they advertised it - just like how they advertised stable clocks as a thing even before Sony described the dynamic clocks to the public.

Will these advantages of a complete RDNA2 vs the PS5 GPU half way point matter? Probably.
By a lot? Meh. Let us wait for the games. And for the games over time. I think the raw flop and bandwidth will matter the most at first though as the other Features, should they prove limited to just XSX and XSS, require dedicated peogramming time to take advantage of. And multiplatform games do not always spend the resources to do that even. Unlike a faster GPU, which is just faster.

 

[Old Empire.]

Microsoft highlighted it here.

Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities

It seems to be a hardware function build in thing for the Xbox and not a software implementation approach? That strikes me that every capability of RDNA 2 was customised for Xbox hardware.

 

[Riky]

Well DF has commented:

So they say the more powerful GPU and the higher memory bandwidth will in fact matter. Who would have thought it

 

[mckmas8808]

Well DF has commented:

Interesting. I'll be curious to see how this plays out over the next 2 or so years in the games.

 

[geordiemp]

Well DF has commented:

Where is this from ?