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[NX Gamer] AC: Valhalla - XsX vs PS5 - The first REAL head to head battle.

Md Ray

Md Ray

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RevenantX said:
PS5 is not powerful, maybe game better optimised for it. Specs on SX are way better. There is no way SX should be dropping frames if PS5 is not.

SX version dropping frames is clearly Ubisoft fucking up with optimisation.


Whatever the case maybe, it shows SX in bad light right now.
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Md Ray said:
Not surprised here. PS5 has 22% advantage is other parts of its GPU compared to SX like pixel fillrate, etc. Me and O onQ123 would point this out constantly.
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Including geordiemp geordiemp , who is more knowledgeable than I am.
 
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J_Gamer.exe

J_Gamer.exe

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Remember this dev leak from insane metal.... third party dev....


It is easy. It is useless to have 12 boxes if they do not fit through the door all together.

You have 12 boxes to fill. So you can't pass all the boxes at once. You must decide which boxes will pass and which will not. That is handled by a coordinator. And the coordinator tells the delivery man which boxes to take.

Mrs. XSX wants to make the move as soon as possible, but it turns out that only 8 boxes can fit on the door at a time. The coordinator is fast, and also uses a box compressor so that 10 boxes can go through instead of 8, but there are several drawbacks. The compressor can only compress the red boxes, and the coordinator also has to coordinate many other things, street traffic, people passing through the door, the space in the room where the boxes are stored, the noise of neighbors who distract the delivery man, search and select what the boxes are filled with, etc. Also, the delivery man is not so fast and is very distracted filling and transporting boxes. So it passes the 10 boxes (not 12) at a certain speed "1x". The lady demands that the boxes arrive, but they do not arrive as quickly as the lady would like, since although she has many boxes, the system is not capable of managing all of them properly.

On the other hand we have Mrs. PS5. You only have 10 boxes to fill. But its door is twice as big, enough for all its boxes to enter at once and there is room for people to also enter and exit through the door. Furthermore, the coordinator has the ability to automatically discard unnecessary boxes, so he doesn't waste time checking boxes that are not going to be used. In addition, anyone in the environment can do the job of the coordinator or the delivery man (even at the same time). The compressor is not that new, but it can compress all boxes, whether they are red or blue. All. And the delivery man is more than twice as fast and manages to pass the boxes at the speed of "2.5x" in the worst case, and "5x" on many occasions. In addition, if someone is left free or without work, they can help to distribute boxes with the delivery man or coordinate work with the coordinator. All this makes this removal company the most efficient ever seen and that the number of boxes available is irrelevant. For that moving system, 12 boxes are not needed, with 10 you can do the same job (and more or better in some cases). Having more boxes would only make the price of the move more expensive without needing any of it.

Of course, having more boxes available always helps to advertise yourself as a top removal company compared to the competition, even if your removal company is normal and ordinary. But it is only that, a smokescreen.

That does not mean that XSX is bad, far from it, it is an extraordinary machine. But PS5 has an efficiency NEVER seen before.

It is true that on PC there are more powerful cards or more powerful systems, but you know that these cards are never used properly, they draw raw power, but they are never used. It is the scourge of PC, an ecosystem that is too varied and unusable. In addition to exorbitant prices.

And I've always been a PCLover, but things as they are, what I've seen on PS5 I only remember something similar when 3DFX and its Glide came out. Its astonishing speed leaves you speechless.
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I agree with you. Altough XBSX makes for a more than spectacular number crunching machine it's based on the same paradigm as we have today. Sony's looking to change that altogether. Regarding your SSD's size quote, you mean the 825GB because of the 12 chips or do you mean something else? Yes...
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Riky

Riky

$MSFT
John Wick said:
Yeah but why are you crying now? Is it because your eating crow???
You know it doesn't matter to me even if the Series X had a slight resolution or framerate advantage in multipats because PS5 has the game changer the DualSense.
With Sony giving priority to SSD and IO as well as Tempest 3d Audio I'll be enjoying Miles Morales, Demons Souls, Sackboy and Thirdparty games while you sit there and beat over 12tf while you wait for the games to arrive Soony
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You sound really angry😅 I play mostly online shooters so any rumble etc would be turned off instantly. I've got Miles on PS4 Pro and I played Demon Souls a decade ago, Sackboy? Not for me.

I'm actually playing Cold War at the moment, not waiting for anything.
 
sircaw

sircaw

Banned
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Riky said:
My days of worrying about such things are over, just installed this beauty and thanks to Xbox and VRR it looks amazing and so smooth😁
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In @Rikys defense, he is taking it like a champ. :messenger_heart: You see this MrFunSocks MrFunSocks , LeftThumbstick LeftThumbstick and wheres that joker from He-man, Orko.

Well done Riky Riky , ate his crow like a man.
 
Kuranghi

Kuranghi

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I don't understand console games being released with so much tearing, I don't mind a few tears here and there, same as a loading frame stutter every once in a blue moon while playing... but constantly during almost every cutscene? Thats too much, I get that you want the lowest input lag you can get but losing so much IQ is a bad tradeoff in this case at least.

Imagine someone gave you a book in which you could read all the content but the pages were just randomly torn, I would seek another copy/format of that book.

Is triple buffering really a no go on consoles due to tight frame render-time targets or is it just because they think it adds too much lag on top of the already numerous other lag factors like animation blending, controller, screen, etc?

I can't watch the full video right now, does the PS5 version drop to 30 in stress areas due to double buffering or does is it using some kind of adaptive v-sync same as XSX version?
 
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onQ123

Member
RevenantX said:
PS5 is not powerful, maybe game better optimised for it. Specs on SX are way better. There is no way SX should be dropping frames if PS5 is not.

SX version dropping frames is clearly Ubisoft fucking up with optimisation.


Whatever the case maybe, it shows SX in bad light right now.
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I tried to warn you people


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Is the Console GPU FLOPs era going the way of the Bit era? I for one welcome our new GB/s marketing overlord

Bits was so important in marketing until we reached 32-bits , for example Sony didn't make a big deal about PS1 being 32-bit even though that was the marking thing that was big in the 80's & 90's but it was probably the CDs that gave PS1 the marketing edge. Atari & Nintendo used 64 in their...
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INC

INC

Gold Member
So xbx technically performed worse? Right?

Its ubisoft, so not really a bragging right

Screen tearing is odd tho
 
oldergamer

oldergamer

Member
alabtrosMyster said:
Not when you preordered the series x thinking a 20% tf difference would yield a 44% advantage in ray tracing performance (not made up, this is the number some people were spreading around because they can count CUs and that's all)​
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Who says this comparison has anything to do with raytraycing? looks like that is rarely used in this game if at all.
 
DForce

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
RevenantX said:
Tearing is also on One X. Its the lack of V Sync and poor optimisation for SX by Ubisoft. SX version is straight One X port with unlocked frame rate and all. Its not made for SX or PS5 from ground up. Ubisoft just enhanced last gen versions.

MS doesn't have any showcase launch games and multiplatform games doing poor job showcasing hardware capabilities.
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Poor optimization? Remember what you said about BC load times?

"It should just work", right? Based on your interpretation, it should just run better. Period.
 
INC

INC

Gold Member
Thirty7ven said:
It's irrelevant and the game is basically the exact same on both consoles. Anybody trying prop either version will be left looking like a clown.

Guess here the only difference is the controller, but that's a different matter.
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I dont disagree, but screen tearing is odd, but as said its ubisoft so won't read much into it
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

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MrFunSocks said:
So NXGamer used shitty poorly captured footage, didn't show any examples of resolution counting, didn't give the list of possible resolutions, didn't give an actual minimum resolution, didn't give a percentage time at certain resolutions, said the PS5 version didn't tear when it has been confirmed everywhere else that it does, and people still think his analysis is amazing? lol

Did he get a Series X today? Because he didn't have one yesterday. His youtube account has multiple hands on videos of the PS5, but not a single video about the Xbox. I'm inclined to believe that he didn't even capture this footage by himself, which is why his "analysis" doesn't contain any actual evidence of anything that he says.
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Coulomb_Barrier

Coulomb_Barrier

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Cherrypepsi said:
Interesting... The PS5 pulling slightly ahead in this comparison really surprises me, especially when Xbox marketing was all about having the most powerful system.
What could be the cause?
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I think they changed it to 'most powerful Xbox ever' once they got wind Cerny was cooking up black magic for the PS5 design.
 
wordslaughter

wordslaughter

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That was the first NXgamer video I've seen.

It was OK but significant;y behind what I've come to expect from Digital Foundry. There really wasn't much there for analysis or wide range of scenarios to really test if the framerate can hold.

It would have been nice if he could have nailed down exactly the settings that the consoles were using and expanded on his thoughts on the reconstruction methods he believes the consoles are using.

*Waits patiently for the DF video*

Aside from that it seems like AC:V is not an ideal game to compare PS5 to XSX. They are both already at "4K" and 60fps so if there is going to be a spread in resolution framerate between the consoles, it's going to need a more demanding game to show it.
 
sircaw

sircaw

Banned
LeftThumbstick said:
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You're still mad from that time you dm'd me huh?
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How's that Crow tasting this morning, Mr you wait till the first comparison and see what xbox will do. Time to get to the table, get your knife and fork and get some eating.

And do you have any idea what that expression means because it's basically showing you lol.

You got served hard haha, hopefully you learn from this lesson. no more fud spreading.

Have a good day "lollipop_disappointed:
 
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Mod of War

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Folks, dial back the baiting and antagonism a little.

While "serving crow" has always been a staple in online gaming forum culture, let's not step over the line into nasty territory.

Let's have fun going into this new gen, but not completely at the expenses of others- more so at the expense of the games.

Thank you.
 
LeftThumbstick

LeftThumbstick

Member
sircaw said:
How's that Crow tasting this morning, Mr you wait till the first comparison and see what xbox will do. Time to get to the table, get your knife and fork and get some eating.

And do you have any idea what that expression means because it's basically showing you lol.

You got served hard haha, hopefully you learn from this lesson. no more fud spreading.

Have a good day "lollipop_disappointed:
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Jesus, you're so desperate to confirm the PS5 is better than Xbox, it's cringey as hell :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Yeah i know what that expression means, it means you are naive and gloating way too early. I'm still not seeing what your major victory is here, care to enlighten me on that? Is it because the PS5 nearly managed 1:1 parity on an Ubisoft game which was also built for last gen and cross-plat?

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Better hope these childish comments and baiting doesn't come back to haunt you fish boy.
 
J

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
Gojko_of_Rivia said:
If I could take wild guess I would say AMD SmartShift is giving PS5 edge here
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Could be, and this is where console design choices come into play.

But I don't think Smart Shift is the only thing. The devil will always be in the details.
 
J

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
Rob_27 said:
I have a 65 C6 love it. But currently the Series X doesn't support 3D blu ray movies. I'm hoping when my PS5 comes on 19th that does.
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PS5 might not do 3D movies, but PSVR does. Don't know if it works on PS5 yet.

I need to test this when I get home tonight. I'm not done setting up my PS5. Too many users in my home, lol. I didn't think transferring would take long over wifi.
 
sircaw

sircaw

Banned
LeftThumbstick said:
Jesus, you're so desperate to confirm the PS5 is better than Xbox, it's cringey as hell :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Yeah i know what that expression means, it means you are naive and gloating way too early. I'm still not seeing what your major victory is here, care to enlighten me on that? Is it because the PS5 nearly managed 1:1 parity on an Ubisoft game which was also built for last gen and cross-plat?

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Better hope these childish comments and baiting doesn't come back to haunt you fish boy.
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All i ever asked for was parity, it was you and your one flew over the Cuckoo nest of xbox, i die for you Phil fanatics that kept on harping on about the power difference.

You got served buddy, i know it, you know it and everyone around here knows it. But now your trying to double down with rubbish like it's a Ubisoft game or trying to act naive with silly little gifs.

People have put up for months with your this, is the best place to play multi-plats bullshit while at the same time trying to denigrate the ps5.

As for the Xbox, if it wins a comparison or two down the line i have no issues or problems with that, i am not at war with normal Xbox people, i wish them well and always have.

It's the Phil-my-cavity butt-sniffers like you that i take issue with.



Now go and play your inferior version of your mutli-plat, which also costs a 100 bucks more on the console side and does not offer a true next-gen controller to boot. But you keep spinning, that yard or yarn is getting longer by the second

ANd sorry God of war, i will happily take a ban, but people like this need to be put in their place once and for all.
sony people have put up with these people's shit for to long. I feel like making a list of all the fanatics but yer, my case is done.

Report me, if you don't like this post, i is good. "lollipop_disappointed:
 
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michaelius

Banned
wordslaughter said:
Aside from that it seems like AC:V is not an ideal game to compare PS5 to XSX. They are both already at "4K" and 60fps so if there is going to be a spread in resolution framerate between the consoles, it's going to need a more demanding game to show it.
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Both use dynamic resolution with drops to 1440p so power advantage should be showing in higher rendering resolution during drops.
 
Md Ray

Md Ray

Member
MrFunSocks said:
So NXGamer used shitty poorly captured footage, didn't show any examples of resolution counting, didn't give the list of possible resolutions, didn't give an actual minimum resolution, didn't give a percentage time at certain resolutions, said the PS5 version didn't tear when it has been confirmed everywhere else that it does, and people still think his analysis is amazing? lol

Did he get a Series X today? Because he didn't have one yesterday. His youtube account has multiple hands on videos of the PS5, but not a single video about the Xbox. I'm inclined to believe that he didn't even capture this footage by himself, which is why his "analysis" doesn't contain any actual evidence of anything that he says.
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Jeez. False accusations now? Why so much unnecessary hate for NX Gamer? Chill out, man. He doesn't do this YT thing full-time. As soon as he got his Series X he put out game comparison vid which is what more people are excited about than "hands-on" vids.
 
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Killer Sakoman

Killer Sakoman

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LeftThumbstick said:
Jesus, you're so desperate to confirm the PS5 is better than Xbox, it's cringey as hell :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Yeah i know what that expression means, it means you are naive and gloating way too early. I'm still not seeing what your major victory is here, care to enlighten me on that? Is it because the PS5 nearly managed 1:1 parity on an Ubisoft game which was also built for last gen and cross-plat?

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Better hope these childish comments and baiting doesn't come back to haunt you fish boy.
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Afterall the 12TFs BS we had to deal with for the entire year, every 0.001 fps advantage for the PS5 will be counted. Every 0.0001 pixel advantage will hunt you.

XsX better shows that 40 fps simple math and the 18% resolution advantage or it will be considered a flop.

XsX has to show at least 18% of advantage. Anything less is a failure
 
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