Self High Five
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lol. right on the same page:
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[Digital Foundry] COD Black Ops Cold War: PS5 vs Xbox Series X - Ray Tracing, 120Hz Mode Tests + Series S Analysis!
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lol. right on the same page:
waquzy
Member
Let's be honest here, 99% of people don't care about the 120Hz mode, what matters is the 60fps mode. I was seeing PS5 dropping to low 40's whereas XSX didn't. Therefore XSX wins this one.
Agnostic2020
Member
Riky
$MSFT
Lol yea you told us this would happen. Stop kidding urself bud
No RT in that mode, percentage wise it's not in the same ballpark as tanking from 60 to 40 and the frame times are only going to be 8ms so it will have even less effect, then VRR takes care of it anyway.Massive 30% tanking on 16ms frame times though. Ouch.
jose4gg
Member
I will take 120 with a future update to VRR, I don't care about a 45 drop in a scripted scene.
waquzy
Member
EXACTLY!!!
J_Gamer.exe
Member
DF didn’t need to invent excuses for dips in fps for this one
I presume they have contacted the devs about the issues and they will be looking into why it drops to fix it.....
Agnostic2020
Member
U play in cutscenes ?
Riky
$MSFT
I presume they have contacted the devs about the issues and they will be looking into why it drops to fix it.....
They can't add more compute units or increase memory bandwidth.
Self High Five
Member
Console wars translation: "If I eliminate the highest performing mode from the equation and use a TV 99% people don't have my preferred piece of plastic wins."
Agnostic2020
Member
Strider Highwind
Banned
Lol yea you told us this would happen
Totally not related to the argument of Frames/quality on PS5/Series X...but the PS4/XB1 versions of the game crash and/or shut the connected controller off at that exact point
And on the mission where you have to AVOID the helicopter..and i've tried it on both ps5/xbseries x at this point..on the mission where you have to AVOID the helicopter it causes both consoles to either stutter horribly or crash.
Just thought I'd add that for anyone experiencing errors there..I actually stopped playing it on both consoles(I got it on series x, my gameshare partner on ps5 bought it over the weekend is how i played both thus far)...Just wanted to issue a warning for anyone running into those errors regarding those two missions
Technical comparisons are not based on what I or you personally care or cherry pick about but on facts, ALL of them.
The drops on PS5 happen in a couple of specific scenes and are not the norm, the performance in 60fpsRT mode is the SAME over 95% of the time. This isn't a real world advantage.
Now if PS5 was 40fps while XSX 60fps most of the time than it would be a real world win but it simply isn't.
At the same time XSX is dropping even 20 frames compared to PS5 in some specific scenes in 120Hz mode and with scaled back effects like guns smoke.
There is no win, both systems are doing well with this game with some specific very small advantages.
Again here the only losers are those that expected major differences to happen based on the PR/marketing lies they were fed with during the previous months.
Sejanus
Member
Oh boy, it's going to be a tough generation with a lot of meltdowns for both teams
Strider Highwind
Banned
Yes possibly a bug, once devs get used to the tools ps5 will march series x in this mode.
Easy this tools stuff ain't it.
But does suggest strangeness if only happens infrequently.
A closer battle this time, depends on the engines, modes etc but a win for each, so a tie, is a loss for Microsoft and their power narrative.
I see some xbox fans suddenly as soon as series x has a slight advantage forget the tools issue excuses and go back to the power bragging and teraflops.
PS5 is just a beast given the gpu it has, the efficiency and breakthrough speak for themselves that it can perform so well on par and out perform the 'Worlds ex most powerful console'.
Can't wait to see what happens when real next gen games come and use the geometry engine and io pipeline and are coded for the caches etc. Also use more than 10gb on the series x, what happens then? Genuine question. Doesn't that then slow down the effective bandwidth as it cant access both at the same time?
I wonder how the console teams are doing with developing for SSDs on both platforms. Cause i've noticed an impact on PS5 and Series X performance while in game - BUT i have things downloading or installing in the background. Wonder if those random PS5 drops that happened in the same scene..when it ran steady 60 before..are happening because of this? Cause PC's with SSDs in them - but improper power settings can have the same thing happen
Calverz
Gold Member
Vast majority of people have 60hz right now. Not 120hz so irrelevent. XSX has VRR which negates this.Yea big win congrats
Your beloved Ray tracing is superior on the xsx in 60hz mode which, lets be honest, 95% of people will use.
Its an XSX win here
Pull your nose our of Cerny’s bum. Or better yet go play days gone at 59fps
waquzy
Member
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
XSX dipping lower than a local stripperLol yea you told us this would happen
Riky
$MSFT
Leyasu
Banned
Fuck, I just read through this embarrassment of a thread. Makes me yearn for the old days where a mod would come in here and start throwing people into the sun. Screen grabs of a few frames dropped and people declaring wins for their platform depending on the mode, to others claiming anything less than a supreme victory for XsX is a win for the PS5.
Jesus, this is going to be the worse gen ever.
Anyway, I have been playing this at 120hz with vrr on my XsX and can confirm that it runs really well, and looks pretty good too. I have a samsung Q80T (I was too scared of getting an OLED because of burn in, especially as my kids always have static roblox or minecraft stuff on my tv), and the 55"ninch is now around a grand. Well worth the money
Jesus, this is going to be the worse gen ever.
Anyway, I have been playing this at 120hz with vrr on my XsX and can confirm that it runs really well, and looks pretty good too. I have a samsung Q80T (I was too scared of getting an OLED because of burn in, especially as my kids always have static roblox or minecraft stuff on my tv), and the 55"ninch is now around a grand. Well worth the money
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jose4gg
Member
Scripted gameplay, that explosion will be there no matter how much you try to "do something different".
This has all the potential to become “can’t tell a difference from the distance I’m sitting at” for this generation.
Legenscary
Member
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
I'm losing 120 it's pointless
I'm winning 120 it's a game changer
I'm losing 60 slow ass fps
I'm winning 60. 120 is over rated
I'm winning rt it's the future
I'm losing rt it's a waste
I'm winning game code is flawless
I'm losing must be a bug
I'm winning cut scenes count
I'm losing cut scenes aren't gameplay
I'm losing gdk issues
Side note anyone claiming controller shit as a win in cod for PlayStation is a moron. Turn off your vibrate or be prepared to die a lot in this multiplayer first campaign second game.
I'm winning 120 it's a game changer
I'm losing 60 slow ass fps
I'm winning 60. 120 is over rated
I'm winning rt it's the future
I'm losing rt it's a waste
I'm winning game code is flawless
I'm losing must be a bug
I'm winning cut scenes count
I'm losing cut scenes aren't gameplay
I'm losing gdk issues
Side note anyone claiming controller shit as a win in cod for PlayStation is a moron. Turn off your vibrate or be prepared to die a lot in this multiplayer first campaign second game.
jose4gg
Member
Hey, I can do the same thing watch:
Do you understand the below lines right?
Riky
$MSFT
Hey, I can do the same thing watch:
Yeah PS5 drops in BOTH modes, heavily in the 60fps mode.
VectorVictor
Member
Yea big win congrats
Do we seriously need to dredge up all of the Sony Fanboi posts about what a non-issue 120hz was when Dirt 5 came out leagues better on the XSX in 120hz comparisons?
Or are we just flip-flopping whe--you know, I'm not even going to bother asking, I think we already know the answer.
Honestly--the game looks great on both platforms, and Ray-Tracing/60Hz looks and plays better on XSX, but slightly, and the DualSense marginally adds something original to the experience.
That's the most important takeaway from all of this.
Hitchyhero
Banned
I don't get this forum.
Last week I got banned for flaming wars by saying Sony fanboys need to stop slating the xbox console and just enjoy playing their great console and controller.
Yet people get away with throwing questionable memes and pictures around that are just their to fan the flames.
Last week I got banned for flaming wars by saying Sony fanboys need to stop slating the xbox console and just enjoy playing their great console and controller.
Yet people get away with throwing questionable memes and pictures around that are just their to fan the flames.
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funking giblet
Member
It’s a wash.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
FuckYea big win congrats
Have you ever added anything to a conversation ever in your life? Real talk.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i noticed this too. this is now the fifth game they have covered with the ps5 offering better performance in high framerate modes. I legit shook my head at him saying there is no clear reason why the ps5 is ahead. maybe it's because the ps5 is better designed? I mean cerny literally called up richard and gave him the presentation ahead of everyone. even if they have forgotten it they need to go back and rewatch it.
John is definitely traumatized by all of this. he needs to stay away from twitter because its starting to seep into his work. there is no reason to downplay this especially if you think the xsx should offer better performance. I didnt buy an xsx, but if I did and i was getting an inferior version (thankfully only in one mode) then I would want DF of all people to take MS to task. Just singing kumbaya, everyone wins is not good enough. my rtx 2080 can run cod MW with ray tracing at 1440p and 120+ fps. i dont see why a 12 tflops xsx has to go all the way down to 1080p especially when MS directly told DF to expect 2080 performance and have them spread it to their viewers way back in March. If anything DF should be pissed about this instead of singing kumbaya.
And i say this as someone who really respects John and Richard. I have my issues with Alex's online persona, but I dont consider DF to have this MS bias everyone here keeps complaining about. But the downplaying of the PS5's capabilities and giving excuses for worse xsx performance is only giving these fanboys more ammo to work with.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Dude .... you just summed up Neogaf.
And though I understand and agree that the controller isn't a win it really adds a lot to the immersion.
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Funny how Tom from DF says no clear reason why PS5 takes the lead in 120fps mode but isn't any confusion when series x does in another.
Because teraflops are everything right... so much makes up power and performance.
How many times, the caches ,unified? , the clock speed meaning faster caches, caches scrubbers meaning less cache misses and not hurting performance by flushing etc, etc. Theres clearly some customisations in ps5. Lets have someone find out exactly why instead of hearing well its better again and no reason why.
Because teraflops are everything right... so much makes up power and performance.
How many times, the caches ,unified? , the clock speed meaning faster caches, caches scrubbers meaning less cache misses and not hurting performance by flushing etc, etc. Theres clearly some customisations in ps5. Lets have someone find out exactly why instead of hearing well its better again and no reason why.
Leyasu
Banned
Never use the report button either.. It is you that will end up with the ban
MasterCornholio
Member
Just watched the video and damn they are extremely close. Much closer than what I was expecting. With that said if I had both consoles it would probably be down to controller preference.
I'm pretty familiar with the Xbox controller but the DualSenses additional features might make me pick the PS5 version over the XSX one. However I haven't experienced those features yet so I don't know if they are worth it over a tiny performance advantage in the campaign at 60FPs.
Pretty good video overall.
I'm pretty familiar with the Xbox controller but the DualSenses additional features might make me pick the PS5 version over the XSX one. However I haven't experienced those features yet so I don't know if they are worth it over a tiny performance advantage in the campaign at 60FPs.
Pretty good video overall.
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megreotsugua
Banned
Another win for PS5.
PS5 drops frames only in cutscenes in RT mode.
Xsex drops bigger frames in actual gameplay in 120fps mode.
PS5 drops frames only in cutscenes in RT mode.
Xsex drops bigger frames in actual gameplay in 120fps mode.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
the xsx drops in 120 fps modes are limited to just one level. it seems to be pretty consistent, but its probably a 10-15 minute section in a 6 hour campaign.
the ps5 drops are more like stutters. they have randomly during setpiece moments like when the plane explodes or when you are running with lots of things exploding around you. one drop is literally from 55 to 41 fps and then back within a second. its rare but it does happen.
Hezekiah
Banned
What happened to 20 - 40%??
I mean really the game look pretty good on both consoles, but a month ago the assumption by many was that all multiplats would look and play better on Series X. Now these same people seemed happy to have parity with PS5
.Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Yeah I would totally get that in a single player only game. In cod which is very much multiplayer first it's foolish to play with it unless you're trying to immerse yourself in losing.
MasterCornholio
Member
I just watched the video and it doesn't seem like a huge issue to me on the PS5. If it was something that happened often during gameplay then it would be one to me.
sircaw
Banned
What a strange stance to take, there is a single-player campaign in this as well, don't exclude things because it does not reflect to good on xbox's narrative. Besides sony's controller is for the whole generation, not just bits and pieces of it. It def stands and it's important, casuals adore the damn thing.
Let's weigh up the results and look at them.
The games are basically par with xbox putting all their chips into their system and reaching performance equality with the Ps5
When you consider the ps5 has a better controller and a faster ssd for loading times, and you can pick up the digital version of the console for 100 bucks less, this is yet another win for sony i am afraid.
Infact it's not even close. Xbox spent their cash on hardware and failing to beat sony while Sony has all the goodies, is not a good look,
why would you want the same version with fewer perks to play with?
Parity is not your friend if you are an xbox owner, i am sorry there is no way around it, you meant to be smoking these comparisons with your hardware that's in your system, you are not. If you want to play the game on whos won this, its another lose, play station once again is punching far above its weight.
its just the reality of it all,
Does this make xbox a bad system, no it's still good, but you're pulling a fast one over people by claiming you won?
The war continues but this battle is once again won by Sony, onto the next we go
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Hezekiah
Banned
What percentage of people will be making use of VRR to get past screen tearing?
Blood Borne
Member
Does vast majority of people have a VRR TV?
Blue Spring
Read my tears about xbox here --->
Damn, another win for PS5. Based Cerny.
itsjustJEFF
Member
Very interesting results. Seems like a well optimized game. On the 60fps w/RT mode the PS5 version dips in two very specific spots, but then in the 120fps mode the Series X dips in a couple specific spots. Their take away is that other than those specific things it's basically perfect. They also don't know why those specific dips happen on either console.
I really don't think you can call one version "better" than the other. I mean you could, if you need to add a bullet point to your tally sheet.
I really don't think you can call one version "better" than the other. I mean you could, if you need to add a bullet point to your tally sheet.
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