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[Dave_at_Home]

People just need to cool their jets. Both consoles are rock solid in this game. NOPE LOOK AT THIS SCREEN SHOT WITH THE FRAMERATE LOWER FOR ONLY SECOND.

Framerates only perfect on PS5 99% of the time in RT mode? BURN IT TO THE GROUND.

Series X not perfect in 120hz mode? PISS ON IT.

Come on now.

 

[SlimySnake]

Hey guys, don't worry about the small frame dips in RT mode for the PS5. A patch + updated dev tools + updated SDK + new API's are incoming.

its clearly a bug. we have contacted Treyarch to report the bug.

 

[SlimySnake]

I just got done watching the DF video without looking at this thread first. Looks like this is a win for the Series X?

its a tie. ps5 better in 120 fps mode. xsx better in 60 fps rt mode.

though xsx is missing some graphical settings like smoke to hit that target.

 

[eNT1TY]

It's a bigger difference than what they showed with Valhalla. I called this shit a while ago for all the die hard Sony Ponies. SX gonna get some wins, PS5 will get some wins, we'll start seeing the SX pull away as we get further in the Gen. But again, when the differences are like this, it's like a tallest midget contest, only people that care are the ones emotionally invested in it. Neither consoles "wins" are so drastic that it's give either camp buyers remorse so it'll just entrench all the mouth breathers to fight even harder for their preferred plastic and the cycle continues. PC gamers just have to sit and laugh.

Indeed, relative parity favoring series X is how things will eventually wind down, though i'd like to add that all those recent-ish 2070supers and 5700xts out there really have nothing to laugh at as they are essentially playing the same games with similar performance.

 

[longdi]

You were in comparison threads that featured his content and now you want to ask me "Who is Vgtech"?

VGTech's COD Cold War 120FPS mode comparison

So now xbox fans not only have to wait on games, they also have to wait on tools. Wait for games? Is this why never in any console launch history more different games have been played? More than any PlayStation launch? Is this why? Because there are no games? Right.

www.neogaf.com

Tbh I did not pay attention to the channel name. Only know of DF, they are the pioneer and most well connected and famous

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Xbox fanboys entering the thread looking for a win like

Maybe next one boys.

Meanwhile Xbox tools not looking too good right now

Both games handle COD well. Win for both camps.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Impressed by Series S. The particular RT-less screens are a big difference, but in general, to be able to pay $300 and come out with a 1200 - 1440p game that looks that good, pretty awesome deal in this case.

I think it’s the most fascinating console in all of this. I’m less interested in how the two giants are within five frames of one another, and more interested in how developers are handling a much lower-powered console that has to play all the same games, and how gamers will react to that.

 

[VCL]

2-2

 

[Warnen]

After playing watch dogs with the ray tracing, think I’ll leave it on the 4k60 with it on

 

[Chiggs]

its a tie. ps5 better in 120 fps mode. xsx better in 60 fps rt mode.

though xsx is missing some graphical settings like smoke to hit that target.

Or it's just a bug/glitch that really has no bearing on the performance whatsoever.

 

[Aladin]

120hz mode with VRR : Tie
60hz with RT : Series X by a big margin.
60hz without RT : Everybody wins, even our beloved Series S.

Oooh

 

[Insane Metal]

The series s version is a total mess! Low quality textures, no RT, no 120hz mode no shadows etc
dafuq?!

But... everyone was saying it would run exactly the same game just with reduced resolution! WHAT IS HAPPENING

 

[Hendrick's]

When cyberpunk is showing same results, parity in normal mode, 120fps edge to ps5...

Some people gonna lose their shit.

Cyberpunk at 120fps?

 

[//DEVIL//]

And with that I just bought the Xbox version . 4k ray tracing on 60 FPS is what I want .

 

[Bernd Lauert]

So it seems Morgan can actually count rez in 120Hz mode and he was trying to teach his colleague, who shot him down....."It only works sometimes, it's hard"...


Anyways, PS5 seems to have better lighting and textures and IQ pops more, like the rez is more consistent there.....With these two improvements over Series X, I think it's quite impressive on PS5...Perhaps in cutscenes these better effects are taking point.....Look at the locker door in that one scene, the light there is more intense on the PS5 version, same can be seen in the indoor sections.....Look at all the neon in the bar, look how it pops more on PS5.....Also there's a video online where PS5 has smoke and effects from gunfire over Series X.....

This is peak delusion. No wonder Alex Battlestar called you out on Twitter the other day.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Nice to see Series X standing on more firm ground than the past few comparisons as well, ala DMCV. It’s been a rough few for the would-be power king.

On a side note, might it fare better in these comparisons when ray tracing is a factor? A sample size of two isn’t exactly telling, but just something that occurred to me.

I kind of maintain that, from a market perspective, for as long as X isn’t offering it’s own exclusives (S is fine, it’s USP is being cheap), this still isn’t enough. It needs to be sizably ahead of the PS5, not tying it or falling behind. Ties will only be broken by the PS5 controller and other exclusive games, and favor PS5. Our local fanboys aren’t wrong in pointing that out. Maybe GamePass and BC are the Xbox’s counter?

But for people just playing games, this is pretty good news. Gorgeous game is gorgeous no matter where you play it.

 

[-Arcadia-]

But... everyone was saying it would run exactly the same game just with reduced resolution! WHAT IS HAPPENING

You have to separate Microsoft’s lying out first. This is not a 1440p machine, generally. If you want ‘exactly the same game’, for the most part, it’s going to be at 1080p.

In this case, Treyarch shot higher, for 1440p, but made the compromise of pulling a visual feature. Which I think is kind of smart for this specific example. I think a 1200-1440p resolution will impress more on a 4K TV, than RT shadows would.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

So it seems Morgan can actually count rez in 120Hz mode and he was trying to teach his colleague, who shot him down....."It only works sometimes, it's hard"...


Anyways, PS5 seems to have better lighting and textures and IQ pops more, like the rez is more consistent there.....With these two improvements over Series X, I think it's quite impressive on PS5...Perhaps in cutscenes these better effects are taking point.....Look at the locker door in that one scene, the light there is more intense on the PS5 version, same can be seen in the indoor sections.....Look at all the neon in the bar, look how it pops more on PS5.....Also there's a video online where PS5 has smoke and effects from gunfire over Series X.....

I respect the hustle but you're splitting hairs here. I'm almost 35, don't wear glasses, and I'm pretty sure there's no difference. Are my eyes messed up? This nitpicking is insane. I'm curiously waiting for other YouTube videos besides DF to see if their results are repeatable. Christ, I don't even give a shit about COD in the first place.

 

[Insane Metal]

According to VG Tech, this drop is random on the PlayStation 5.

Huh. So THAT is what a dev tool problem is. Same scene, same console, same preset, different performance.

 

[Kuranghi]

Nice to see Series X standing on more firm ground than the past few comparisons as well, ala DMCV. It’s been a rough few for the would-be power king.

On a side note, might it fare better in these comparisons when ray tracing is a factor? A sample size of two isn’t exactly telling, but just something that occurred to me.

I kind of maintain that, from a market perspective, for as long as X isn’t offering it’s own exclusives (S is fine, it’s USP is being cheap), this still isn’t enough. It needs to be sizably ahead of the PS5, not tying it or falling behind. Ties will only be broken by the PS5 controller and other exclusive games, and favor PS5. Our local fanboys aren’t wrong in pointing that out. Maybe GamePass and BC are the Xbox’s counter?

But for people just playing games, this is pretty good news. Gorgeous game is gorgeous no matter where you play it.

What I'm getting from this post is you are telling us you're a massive Sony Fangirl.

 

[MarkMe2525]

This thread is fucking hilarious. Should be embarrassed.

 

[Knitted Knight]

I hope the developer is made aware of the bug, can't wait for them to fix this......

If only DF could contact the devs to get the bug fixed on PS5....

Looks like another clean W. And selective omission in full effect. Part of their toolset if you will.

I rather wait for NXGamer's vid on it but he does it part time. And yes, VGTech is arguably the cleanest of editorial bias. Should be supported more than certain rags.

 

[onQ123]

We talking about cutscenes? man we are not talking about gameplay but cutscenes?

 

[sircaw]

I don't give a shit about Xbox. You are the fanboy here. I'm just pointing out all the dumb bullshit you both do. Acting like you better than anyone is pretty funny. At least the other Warrior bitches here have the decency to just post a dumb picture while you have the audacity to make me read several paragraphs of fanboy drivel.

What haha, your, not a xbox fanboy hahah, give it a rest, how many of these type of people are there, i have dealt with like 3 or 4 of them in the last week alone all claiming to not bat for xbox but have been doing it for months lol. Give it a rest.


As for your ridiculous silly comments, all you need to do is worry about is facts and what i stated are Facts, no amount of you getting all upset and swearing is going to change that.

If you don't think i am correct, argue your point, but don't insult me with your cheap crappy mud and try and deflect sympathy etc, common sense dude and FACTS.


Put me on ignoring and stop crying like a baby when things don't go your way.
End of story

 

[Kuranghi]

I respect the hustle but you're splitting hairs here. I'm almost 35, don't wear glasses, and I'm pretty sure there's no difference. Are my eyes messed up? This nitpicking is insane. I'm curiously waiting for other YouTube videos besides DF to see if their results are repeatable. Christ, I don't even give a shit about COD in the first place.

The only difference I can see between then is a slight variation in gamma, ie the difference between light and dark. The XSX version seems to have slightly deeper shadows for the woman leaning on the garage door, but I think its actually just a difference in the way they do the shadows tbh, its not really measurable which one is "better". This difference is completely normal between different console versions of a multiplatform game. I prefer the PS5s lighter shadow personally but I think the majority of people will choose the XSX if they witness this side-by-side.

Even as a massive IQ pedant/whore I wouldn't even care about this for 1 second, about 10 seconds after I've witnessed it tbh.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

60hz with RT : Series X by a small margin.


Oooh

Fixed it for you. DF said both hit 60fps in RT60 mode 95% of the time specifically in normal gameplay. PS5 only really takes a noticeable hit in some set piece moments, I wouldn't call that a big advantage for XSX, but yes overall XSX is slightly better in that mode.

 

[anothertech]

Cyberpunk at 120fps?

Don't lose your shit lol

 

[-Arcadia-]

I respect the hustle but you're splitting hairs here. I'm almost 35, don't wear glasses, and I'm pretty sure there's no difference. Are my eyes messed up? This nitpicking is insane. I'm curiously waiting for other YouTube videos besides DF to see if their results are repeatable. Christ, I don't even give a shit about COD in the first place.

It’s almost the absurdity of an Onion/Babylon Bee headline at this point. You could seriously be DF or someone, put out a fake video that looks exactly the same on both sides, as a social experiment, but have the voiceover talk about the huge differences, and let the internet tear each other apart for a week.

Console warring has outlived any reason to (visually) console war, lol.

 

[oldergamer]

game looks good. Seems to use RT all over. This is impressive! I'm surprised they can hit those framerates with that quality of visuals.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

It’s almost the absurdity of an Onion/Babylon Bee headline at this point. You could seriously be DF or someone, put out a fake video that looks exactly the same on both sides, as a social experiment, but have the voiceover talk about the huge differences, and let the internet tear each other apart for a week.

Console warring has outlived any reason to (visually) console war, lol.

The only reason I'm curious in the first place is due to people saying their playthrough didn't have those drops on PS5. Oh well. The world turns.

 

[onnextflix5]

There is barely any ray tracing in this game lol. And xbox fanboys are saying ray tracing is better on xbox lol. Where is 40% better ray tracing u xbox fanboys were talking about lol And no apology for spreading fud about ps5 yet for whole year, xsx is 12 tera flops of a load of shit. We still waiting for them tools lol

 

[quest]

This thread is fucking hilarious. Should be embarrassed.

Eembarrassing this tame compared to the dirt 5 thread lol. I think the xbox guys have been well behaved in here.

 

[thelastword]

Not the same scene I want 1-1 exact same comparison.

For that you would need to watch Vgtech's video, so apart from the bug on PS5, when DF says that XBOX is better 5% of the time in RT mode based on two cutscenes, you should know these are just guesstimations and not accurate...And listening to Morgan's excitement for Series X's gulf in RT mode as massive, whilst ignoring better effects, better lighting on PS5.....You know he will exxagerate when PS drops frames.....

However the most important thing to consider is this; DF's results can't be accurate becuase they generally do NON like for like scenes and what makes it worse they exxagerate or downplay dips based on their own biases....It's what happened to FarCry 4, where they focused s much on a drop on a bridge in a non like for like scene, but when NX came to the party, he showed the XBOX ONE version falling to 15fps anywhere there was heavy foliage on screen...So clearly if the scene was like for like PS4 would have no issue or less with alpha or effects...

So if you want like for like tests, which will actually show how these two consoles fare with the same explosion, same scene, this is Vgtech and it's the most accurate stats you will get on the true performance of these consoles.....

IMO, This is a win for XBOX, 60Hz + RT mode is better than on the PS5 and this will be used by most people. And while the 120Hz mode is more stable on PS5, VRR will simply make it smoother on XBOX, especially that most of the 4K 120HZ capable TVs support it. With that said, where is the theoretical 20% performance differential of the XBOX? This is a testimony of how well designed PS5 is...

The 60hz on PS5 has a bug which is well documented since 8 days ago, maybe the devs don't know about it, because the bug is not on XBOX, where they would have known already if it was, as they would be bombarded on twitter.

VRR is coming to PS5 soon, so I suspect we will hear less about VRR when it hits PS5.....

When 120 is a win for Xbox FEW PEOPLE HAVE THOSE TVs.
When 120 is a win for PS5 OMG LOOK HOW MUCH THEY PWNED THE SeX!!!!

Quite a few TV's do 1080p 120Hz on HDMI 2.0, even as high as 1440 120Hz, so quite a few people can run the 120Hz modes.....The issue people talk about not many people utilizing is VRR which is an HDMI 2.1 feature, so less people can use that, yet it's spoken about more in recent faceoffs, when the majority simply can't use it......VRR Tv's are 1% or less of the gaming market and even then, there were many issues with VRR on several TV's that are still existant if firmware patches are not deployed....So it's a farce to talk about VRR now, but 120Hz many can use it........I've had a 120HZ screen ages ago...

Downgraded gun smoke on XSX timestamped. Watch in slo mo.



--------

RT Mode XSX no gun smoke timestamped




RT Mode PS5 same gun





Much more side by side examples on VG Tech vids.

Oh theses versions are nothing close to like for like on settings and detail, that's for sure and this is not the first time we've seen this.....Dirt had a massive uptick on PS5 vs Series X in 120Hz mode, almost generational.....I could only imagine PS5 could easily do 200fps in Dirt or perhaps 180fps in COD if it had the same settings as Series X....

Tbh I did not pay attention to the channel name. Only know of DF, they are the pioneer and most well connected and famous

The pioneer of video faceoffs was lensoftruth.......They set the bar ages ago and compared much more than just graphics.....They had Framerate Videos and Stats.....So LensofTruth was NXGamer+Vgtech combined more than a decade ago....

 

[Kurimao]

What about the controller, PS5 dual sense etc vs the XBsX? who had the better experience?

 

[Knitted Knight]

For that you would need to watch Vgtech's video, so apart from the bug on PS5, when DF says that XBOX is better 5% of the time in RT mode based on two cutscenes, you should know these are just guesstimations and not accurate...And listening to Morgan's excitement for Series X's gulf in RT mode as massive, whilst ignoring better effects, better lighting on PS5.....You know he will exxagerate when PS drops frames.....

Seems the bug radars from the "experts" at DF weren't functioning properly for this particular comparison, and particularly for the PS5 version. Seems the radar for differences in graphical settings/effects was also malfunctioning too. Now I can understand the bug radar being buggy for this face-off..... it has been running at maximum range for XSX since launch so it's bound to have downtime. The other radars though..... what happened?

 

[//DEVIL//]

There is barely any ray tracing in this game lol. And xbox fanboys are saying ray tracing is better on xbox lol. Where is 40% better ray tracing u xbox fanboys were talking about lol And no apology for spreading fud about ps5 yet for whole year, xsx is 12 tera flops of a load of shit. We still waiting for them tools lol

Aside from obvious fanboy tone you have. The Xbox is on paper is more powerful than ps5 regardless of the reason why it’s not showing.
I do not believe tools has anything to do with this. If a pc gpu or an x console is more powerful it will show. Why the Xbox is not showing it yet ? Who knows. Could it be harder to develop for ? Maybe. Who knows.
But I am guessing by next year if the ps5 still beats the Xbox ( which I highly doubt it will ) then yeah there is something wrong with the Xbox design or a secret source with the ps5.
As for as ray tracing on ps5. I did notice slowdown in few places while playing multiplayer really ( weird random times ) when my friend lended me his ps5 copy and I gave him demon souls to play it too.
Also I really love the ps5 controller. It’s perfect.
It’s just I am really thinking of selling the ps5 for some profit even and buy it again for normal price ( someone offered me 200$ Canadian profit on my used ps5 ) . Can’t really say no to that specially no games I play these days aside from cod and destiny 2

also I really love the Xbox design . It blends with my tv and tv table and it’s dead quite I don’t even notice it’s on.
Microsoft hardware team are wizards

most of the games I like to play are multiplayer or multi platform games . And by default I wanna play them on the next hardware .
Not really sure why I said all the above . Was just thinking out loud I guess

 

[Explosive Zombie]

So, if it's true the 60FPS mode dips on PS5 only exist on the latest patch they can also be patched out I'd assume. Imagine if it's 12 pages of arguing when if we just waited a bit we'd have complete parity. 60FPS will be the more used mode so for now I think it's a slight edge for XSX but it does sound like playing this with a Dualsense is next level (part of why I'm skipping buying it for PC). The IQ arguments are interesting, I wonder how much merit they have, did DF really miss that? Just like if these framerate drops are random shouldn't they have figured it out by re-running the same sequence?

 

[Knitted Knight]

For Bug reports:

https://support.activision.com/contact-us
https://twitter.com/Treyarch?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Is it just me or are these DF videos 1080p with youtube uglyness?

 

[thelastword]

For Bug reports:

https://support.activision.com/contact-us
https://twitter.com/Treyarch?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

I guess PS fans will have tweet Activision themselves on this one.....This is only a self-serve buffet...

Xbox showing that power of extra compute units.

No, the answer is in the thread already.......Same scene runs perfectly locked on PS5 prior patch......

We won't know of RT comparisons till a tasking RT game comes out, let's wait for the next 4A Game, maybe GTA 6 or perhaps WatchDogs as a first example....In like for like scenarios, the RT Mode of both consoles are a solid 60fps..

Also, curious why we saw no coverage of the non RT 4K native version, they could have discussed the graphics and sharpness of that mode including showing us the performance as opposed to just saying it runs fine......Also a gameplay run of MP should be in order as well....

 

[MaulerX]

A very slight PS5 advantage in 120fps mode. That advantage evaporates with VRR on Xbox.

A pretty noticeable advantage for Xbox with Ray-Tracing/60fps.

Once MS tools mature to take advantage of the hardware nobody will care for these comparisons by mid next year.

 

[assurdum]

What could make those framerate drops manifest in a random manner?

There is a problem in RT mode. Heck even some Xbox users has reported RT mode has FPS issue with the last patch . But nope ps5 weakness.

 

[onnextflix5]

Some Calling me a fanboy, lol if roles were reversed and ps5 was the 12tf console and performance was this bad, i would shit on ps5 as well, its 12tf vs 9tf, why is it not doing a lot better, ms messed up big time, and dont give me tools bullshit, why are u xbox fans giving ms 1 year too improve, what have they been doing for last 6 years lol

 

[Pidull]

It's wild to me that PS5 keeps outperforming the Series X, this was wholly unexpected considering the specs behind the consoles.

Cerny and Sony really accomplished something with the PS4 architecture it seems.

 

[assurdum]

Seems the bug radars from the "experts" at DF weren't functioning properly for this particular comparison, and particularly for the PS5 version. Seems the radar for differences in graphical settings/effects was also malfunctioning too. Now I can understand the bug radar being buggy for this face-off..... it has been running at maximum range for XSX since launch so it's bound to have downtime. The other radars though..... what happened?

As I said previously, if Dirt 5 had the issue reported in series X, just on ps5, gpu weakness and end of the story, see you folks.

Now finally we have the perfect example: RT mode suddenly spikes ps5 performance to 40 fps in selective scene, no needs to investigate there, finally the series X showed is powerness in his all glory, no glitch there, move on people, case close.

That's superficial and dishonest. JUST FUCK THEM. Seriously. And they say to not ride the console war wave, those morons, they did it continually.

No way ps5 has already reached his limits in raytracing is stupid and unprofessional as hell to sustain it. And if it was the case performance should stay to 40 fps ALL THE TIME not just spike suddenly. But they need to rebalance the power narrative as expected, series X lost too many faceoff from their perspective, which it couldn't. Indeed I like if they are going in deep in stuff like this but obviously it's ask too much to have a bit more impartiality and professionalism to them when playstation is involved. And as we are seeing look the consequence of their behaviour in the discussion. People just discuss which is superior to which, what counts more blabla.

Sorry for my tone but I'm tired of presumed tech savvy which ignore tech stuff and feed just the console war mouth. And DF it's just that.

But seriously it's my fault I need to move on to the DF analysis. That's unfortunate there aren't many other alternative and my curiosity can't resist to stuff like this. Well at least I can update my ignore list thanks to them, what I can say .

 

[longdi]

A very slight PS5 advantage in 120fps mode. That advantage evaporates with VRR on Xbox.

A pretty noticeable advantage for Xbox with Ray-Tracing/60fps.

Once MS tools mature to take advantage of the hardware nobody will care for these comparisons by mid next year.

Yep that's how I see it.

Too much aggression today on launch titles. Things will start tipping in favour of the hardware with the specs, then the relentlessness will go away.

Cod already shows what's can be possible. I do wonder when publishers will drop the jaguar cores minimum target. I mean when you see CP2077 needs just a 4790 cpu for non RT max out, you know a lot of headroom to go

 

[Great Hair]

VG Tech
all scenes in-sync, extreme bad frame pacing on XSX@120Hz, both locked@60HzRTmode, less tearing on PS5

DF
not all scenes are in-sync, XSX still has tearing and pacing issues@120Hz, apparently the PS5 has a drop of 15+ fps for like 1.337s

The game just looks bad during day time.

Spoiler: pics

 

[AgentP]

That's interesting, VGTech's analysis showed both PS5 and Series X hitting 60fps 99.9% of the time in 60fps mode.

Statistics > cherry picking

 

[Knitted Knight]

It's wild to me that PS5 keeps outperforming the Series X, this was wholly unexpected considering the specs behind the consoles.

Cerny and Sony really accomplished something with the PS4 architecture it seems.

PS5 Bible:

Road to PS5 26:24 Cerny says, " ..this continuous improvement in AMD technology means it's dangerous to rely on teraflops as an absolute indicator of performance and CU count should be avoided as well....."

 

[THE DUCK]

Those of you saying 120hz at practically 1080p resolutions that only 1% of the people who bought it can play at need to give your head a shake. The vast majority of the players on the market either don't have a 120hz tv or don't care, or prefer 60hz at full resolution/rt. Were talking 99% here.