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Mr Moose
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LMAO I thought it was that guy!
Yeah I think we can ignore what that dude has been saying.
saintjules
Member
kyliethicc
Member
They have that "next gen upgrade" listed on lots of games with no PS5 upgrades.The image of the listing before it was changed
I bet its just the store's error.
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saintjules
Member
Perhaps.
Dave_at_Home
Member
I agree with you here. John is just lashing out at the constant hate. When it comes to their comparisons, I don't believe there's something malicious going on, but they catch plenty of shit if they don't do their proper due diligence. I also think John tries to be as neutral as possible. Problem being, you can easily look at Digital Foundry as an arms dealer getting upset when they find themselves caught in the crossfire. You try and be neutral as much as you wish but you're playing to a hardcore base and they need your ammunition. Accepting their place in all of that should mean coming up with ways to cool the blowback.
3liteDragon
Member
THEAP99
Banned
They will not be my studio of the year until they release a ps5 patch
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Fight the good fight!
THEAP99
Banned
kyliethicc
Member
Like they list Ghost of Tsushima as having a free PS5 verison upgrade. Wouldn't Sucker Punch have announced that already?
The game just runs at 60 on PS5 anyways.
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geordiemp
Member
I have not bought TLOU2 yet, waiting for the ps5 edition before I jump in. I have a big backlog, I can wait.
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kyliethicc
Member
Remember this is a fan voted award show. And last year Days Gone won best story lol.
kyliethicc
Member
Its only $30 (50% off) on the PS4/5 digital store and most physical shops. Great time to buy it for later.
Not sure the £ pricing equivalent.
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Mr Moose
Member
I think that's the PS5 upgrade, 60fps in resolution mode.
THEAP99
Banned
no. the performance award the critics gave to Kamala Khan
kyliethicc
Member
I have no idea about that one award but the majority of the awards are fan voted.
"Known as the ‘People’s Gaming Awards’, the 2019 edition saw millions of votes cast by gaming fans from all over the world, with Capcom's Resident Evil 2 claiming the coveted ‘Ultimate Game of the Year’ prize. It's your support that make the Golden Joystick Awards so special, as millions give something back to the creators and teams they love."
Golden Joystick Awards 2022: Everything you need to know
Join us for our winners broadcast on Nov 22. Here’s everything you need to know about the world's longest-running games awards
"Before voting begins, the Golden Joystick Award shortlists are (fiercely) debated by a panel of journalists from brands including gamesradar.com, pcgamer.com, Edge magazine, Retro Gamer, and OPM, plus our trusted network of freelance writers. Everyone nominates their favorite games of the last 12 months across 21 public-voted categories, which are assessed and debated until we settle on a final shortlist, with a maximum of 8 games per category. For the first time this year, we invited publishers and developers to nominate their games for consideration by the judging panel. This isn't a guarantee of inclusion, but does guarantee the publisher-nominated game will be considered by the judging panel, eliminating the 'blind spots' that can occur when judging the hundreds, if not thousands, of new game releases each year.
With the shortlists in place, the judges take a back seat, and public voting begins. Your vote can really make the difference, and it's worth noting that some of last year's most keenly-contested categories were won by 20 to 30 votes, which is fine margins when you consider the millions of votes cast each year."
The judges pick nominees, but the winners of most awards are publicly voted. Idk about that 1 award you're talking about.
GreyHand23
Member
Khamala Khan was one of the best things about Avengers. Too bad they forgot to release the rest of the game.
kyliethicc
Member
But you don't upgrade. There is no PS5 version, unlike Miles Morales, etc. You just play the PS4 game.
Best Buy's listings are confusing.
I don't understand John Linneman.
This has happening for a while now, but he keeps on engaging on twitter. Why? Hoping that people will change. Good luck with that.
I mentioned it before, but he should concentrate on posting facts, and never respond to negativity, and avoid reading it. He's just one guy, and it will wear him down.
Look at Richard. He does not engage, and he's doing fine.
Too much crap on twitter, that I don't check it anymore.
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Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Ok fuck every store I can’t find the LG CX or B9 .. now I’m going to take the X900H 65
what do you think guys? is it a great TV?
what do you think guys? is it a great TV?
icerock
Member
If you have the budget, just wait it out for a CX. Check Bestbuy, they have them cheapest.
kyliethicc
Member
LG and Sony make the best OLEDs, with LG being the absolute best for gaming.
Sony X900/X800 and the Samsung Q90/Q80 QLEDs are great LCD options if you want to avoid any burn in risk / spend less.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
For the price its a great TV with current gen gaming in mind having HDMI 2.1
INC
Member
This is can agree on, audio quality of hearing abby being smashed with a pork sword was 10/10, best in the industry
MatrixReloaded101
Member
John needs to learn how to ignore the trolls online.
SkankHunt420
Neo Member
Guys, dont be nasty to john, between all the DF staff he is the less biased one, we should be spamming Richard, now that old fart does deserve the storm John's taking.
Self High Five
Member
OK I give up on this thing, I am not going to debate someone's psychological situation, I am not a psychologist or similar.
SorryHeisenbergFX4 was not my intention to say was your fault.
I can appreciate John's mental health situation, but you cannot put this on
As an adult, responsible for his own mental health and wellbeing, John himself should be measuring his own activity on twitter. He's not forced to be active on the platform and many many other people wo recognize their own personal limitations understand that it's better for them to avoid it, rather than put themselves out there and run the risk of becoming embroiled in the toxicity that often eventuates.
not malicious but we must be careful with John, he has certain problems with of depression
or similar (sorry if I'm wrong, it is not my intention).
I am sure you are good guy but even when this whole console discussion is entertaining,
we shouldn't put too much pressure on someone with John's situation.
I have nothing to add but just wanted to tag
HeisenbergFX4
since everyone is doing it
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I have nothing to add but just wanted to tag
And it gets my attention every time someone does, thanks
FunkMiller
Gold Member
John needs to get the fuck off of Twitter and let the main DF account handle interactions with fans.
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Thanks a lot but now I’m more confused lol .. should I wait for LG CX or should I go for Sony.. I really don’t know is it that big difference? I mean if I took the X900H do I lose much if i didn’t buy LG CX?
I mean Sony‘a TV is ready for PS5 with all nextgen features..
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Mahavastu
Member
With the youtube stream at 1080p with very low Bitrate and only 30fps, no one would be able to see a noticeable difference between PS4 Pro and PS5 via BC anyway I am afraid.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I have a 77" C9 and the 65" X900H and without a doubt the OLED is a nicer picture and we use it often for watching movies and such.
I know burn in doesnt happen near as easy as it used to but burn in scares me and this Sony lets me leave static images on as much as I want and is a very nice gaming TV.
B_Boss
Member
I cannot believe I have a PSv5....anyone else name their console? Been naming mine for years since the PS3 
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One of the first things that I noticed is the sound. Perhaps it’s the 3D setting but my same headset and headphones are louder, more treble, bass and just clear....I literally went from PS4 one day, to PS5 the next and omg.....
I still can’t believe I’m playing this console. I remember March, hanging out here...UE5 Demo...June, all like it was yesterday for such a crazy year. My genuine hope is that those of you who truly want a PS5, will get one sooner than later
. It is an incredible console and they took great care to ensure us gamers have an experience worthy to be called “nextgen”.
Also, apologies if posted already (chances are you fools were already on it lol) but great read
:
www.ubisoft.com
.One of the first things that I noticed is the sound. Perhaps it’s the 3D setting but my same headset and headphones are louder, more treble, bass and just clear....I literally went from PS4 one day, to PS5 the next and omg.....
I still can’t believe I’m playing this console. I remember March, hanging out here...UE5 Demo...June, all like it was yesterday for such a crazy year. My genuine hope is that those of you who truly want a PS5, will get one sooner than later
. It is an incredible console and they took great care to ensure us gamers have an experience worthy to be called “nextgen”.Also, apologies if posted already (chances are you fools were already on it lol) but great read
:
Snowdrop Engine - Massive Entertainment
The Snowdrop engine is efficient and flexible, enabling relatively small teams to create ambitious AAA games. At the core of the Snowdrop engine, we want to empower our creators.
www.ubisoft.com
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PaintTinJr
Member
I read this yesterday and found it consistent with thoughts I was having about where the final maturity of development will end on both systems and how they'll compare.I have been thinking that lately because of what is happening graphically with SX and PS5.
In general to my understanding there are in SX real problems being able to use 12-14 CU per shader array and Shared Memory problems. Due to bandwidth problems, cache hits and I don't think it's a question of the dev kit. Something could be solved but in general I think it will be complicated and we will have to optimize case by case.
However, I also think that these additional CUs will work for mathematical calculations without exporting textures on SX.
In other words, graphically we are observing SX: 40 CU x 64 shaders x 2 OPS x 1825 MHz = 9,344 TF of graphic power and 12 CU x 64 shaders x 2 OPS x 1825 MHz = 2,803 TF FP32 or 5,606 TF FP16 to execute the DLSS AI (not dev yet). They could also be used to execute RT but only ray calculation they do not have bandwidth to store textures and make HIT in the caches, that is, they do not serve for RT reflection only GI with temporal ray count.
I think SX is developing its DLSS and sony has opted for temporary injection. The two ways to achieve this are impressive and I can't tell who will win. Since MS will have to rescale from a lower resolution to 4k with its DLSS and the other will do it from a higher resolution with temporary injection. Not to mention that MS DLSS should be quite in its infancy even and by the time they can include it it will be too late.
Bottom line: MS is a good machine but the stupid MS have done terrible marketing and haven't finished one of their main design functions for launch, which coupled with the stupid marketing has ended up by simply trashing their own console themselves.
Who runs MS marketing? I already remember the same people who have carried out the campaign so toxic this generation. Umm, I'm not surprised.
What do you thinkgeordiemp ????
Like you, I was thinking that the CU count they've got in the XsX isn't going to be a linear gain, no matter how well they parallelize the workload situation with advance software tooling.
Cache availability per shader array seems to be less per CU in the XsX, even if they are limiting the arrays to 9 active CUs to match the PS5 setup in these early games - just at a clockspeed of almost 400mhz less.
Looking at the faceoff data so far it does feel like a comparison of a 36CU GPU at 1.8GHz versus a 36CU GPU at 2.2Ghz with cache scrubbers - where reducing the frame-time, by upping the frame-rate, pushes too hard on the GPU with less cache bandwidth per frame, and less clock ticks per frame, that then results in needing to reduce LODs and resolution to stay within the data & processing bandwidth as seen in that headlight comparison picture on Dirt5 in performance mode.
Putting aside the major changes that we might expect to see from more use of async and Cerny's geometry engine on the PS5, I'm at a loss as to how the XsX can effectively utilise all of the CUs to its advantage with ICE team level solutions to get to PS5 level day 1 performance/fidelity without XsX needing to target a lower resolution that offsets its deficiency in rasterization disproportionally beyond the clockspeed to freeup cache bandwidth for the extra CUs to contribute evenly with a fully parallelized workload.
I've seen comparison comments about the PS3 and XsX situation and how it will improve, but where the PS3 SPUs are self contained with embedded memory local stores - and could DMA individually or any workgroup combination independent of the PPU once setup and kicked off - the extra XsX CUs within an array will contend for shared cache on every read and write, and won't even have the half-way-house situation of the Tempest Engine.
Like you said, a DLSS solution is probably the intended use case, although I wonder if tessellation could also save cache bandwidth to make up the current difference., even if the DLSS/tessellation might need to be more aggressive coming from lower LOD levels and lower native resolution for high frame-rate modes I expect the XsX with fully advance tool options to exceed the IQ of the Dirt5 120hz mode on the PS5.
Your comment seemed like good food for thought, anyway and even had me wondering if the tools narratives could both be true. Xbox tools to port games are ahead of schedule and not coming in hot, but still far away from the ICE team level solutions they need to match PS5 day1 results with Sony's tools that are coming in hot.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I second this.
Insane Metal
Member
Just watched Gamersyde footage of Sackboy, Dirt 5 and WDL (since I have no PS5 and won't for a long time, I'm afraid). Games look so clean, damn. WDL looks pretty good but the ray traced reflections look like utter shit, a shimmering mess.
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Three Jackdaws
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Another great thread from LeviathanGamer on next-gen advancements, these according to him will be one of the biggest leaps we've seen in 3D graphics. I highly recommend giving it a read although there is some really technical stuff in there, he also used the Playstation as an example and how these technologies are going to evolve with the PS5. Here are some tweets worth sharing.
EDIT: converted the thread into a single page for an easy read, here you go.
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EDIT: converted the thread into a single page for an easy read, here you go.
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kyliethicc
Member
Do you know the difference between OLED TVs and LED LCD TVs? They have different strengths and weaknesses.
Many prefer OLEDs as they generally have the best picture contrast. But they're expensive and can suffer burn in, and can't get as bright as some LCDs.
LCDs (like Sony X900H and Samsung QLEDs) can't have any burn in issues, but don't have as true blacks, as good contrast ratios, or as good viewing angles from side, etc. But some get very bright which is great for HDR. And most LCDs are cheaper.
MistBreeze
Member
I use the cable provided in the box usbA - usb C cable and all settings are good but for no avail
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Just restart the ps5 and you will be good
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Appreciate the info and yes I know there are differences between oled and LCD but Sony has that Full Array LED tech as I read about it I figured that this one close the gap as possible as they can with OLED but still OLED is top notch.
HeisenbergFX4
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icerock
thank you all for replying and helping ..after lots of thought I decided to just wait a little more maybe something ahead will come and put these features in a great use with a lot of understanding from previous models.
Imtjnotu
Member
I agree
C9 is still what I think the best TV on the market even ahead of the CX
FrankWza
Member
I think the X2hr sound better because they are better. It’s not a fair comparison. I was just referring to my setup. The pulses are really good for what they are. You brought up premium so I was just giving you an example of non premium headphones I use that sound great with tempest. But it’s wired into the controller and the pulse is wireless so it a fair comparison again. It’s a tough time for headphones and headsets. The optical port being left out of both consoles screwed things up big time.
kyliethicc
Member
Rtings is a useful website for TV review infoAppreciate the info and yes I know there are differences between oled and LCD but Sony has that Full Array LED tech as I read about it I figured that this one close the gap as possible as they can with OLED but still OLED is top notch.
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