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[captainraincoat]

Now Xbox fans are playing the waiting and praying hoping games their system will outperforms the PS5 which was supposed to be the weaker system. lol the irony!

Friends: So what games you have on your XSX?
XSX owner: I have "Alan Waiting" "Tools of War" "Halo Infinite Promises".

On the plus side at least you can file the game away in a folder and move it to your external drive for when they patch it.

 

[Neo Blaster]

You all know what this is about:

and

 

[Warablo]

Obviously a software/tools issue.

Secret sauce is just stuck.

No secret sauce, it just has better specs.

 

[Valedix]

They respond by not responding.

 

[Concern]

Sony fanboys hearing its bugs and not actual specs causing issues. So they run to every Xbox thread to whine.

 

[The Alien]

Uhhhh....Not even a month into the launch.

What 3rd party is blowing peoples minds?
Dirt 5? Watch Dogs? Bwa-hahahaha. NO.

 

[h00ters]

This is the exact opposite of what Sony did when devs were struggling with the PS3. Instead of sending out teams to help them, they shifted the blame to the devs themselves. 1UpYours had a great discussion around this at the time.

 

[bitbydeath]

Sony fanboys hearing its bugs and not actual specs causing issues. So they run to every Xbox thread to whine.

You should know by now to not trust every word that comes out of Microsofts mouth. That is exactly how they got into this mess.

 

[Jigga117]

On the plus side at least you can file the game away in a folder and move it to your external drive for when they patch it.

........ohhhhh.........shhhhhhiiiiiiitttttttt

 

[wachie]

So Microsoft is now publicly acknowledging their advantage in 2 out of 5 showdowns? Lol, that’s not a good strategy.

Typical bad PR from Microsoft.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Hello to everyone on page 20 that reads this in the future.

Hello mate!
Edit: damn too fast

 

[Knitted Knight]

7 years of cope statements..... looks like plenty more in the years to come. Some folks never learn with MS. While it's fun to have a punching bag; it's also kinda sad so many people volunteer to take the punches on MS behalf.

 

[Hendrick's]

Who's butthurt? Who's desperate? About what? Because I'm pointing to their response? Lmao, the ones that seem to be worried are you people, taking a victory lap at the start of the race.

Lmfao

The fear is palpable at this point. They can't sleep at night with the monster eater at their backs.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The fear is palpable at this point. They can't sleep at night with the monster eater at their backs.

Most people are just happy the FUD failed.

 

[Raonak]

lmfao. PS5 performance clearly caught MS off guard.

 

[AlexxKidd]

It is. The PS5 hanging with Series X in cross Gen launch games is like a Tesla Model 3 beating a Koenigsegg Agera in a 100 yd drag race.

 

[Hendrick's]

Most people are just happy the FUD failed.

Whose FUD? Still a lot of that going around on both sides.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Whose FUD? Still a lot of that going around on both sides.

Just saying that most people are happy that the PS5 isn't an underpowered system and can keep up with the most powerful one. No 50% delta for either side and that's good to see.

 

[Entroyp]

This never happened to me before, I swear!

 

[Unknown?]

Tools and optimization is the new cloud power, do people still fall for this?

 

[AnotherOne]

Some people confused ms blaming devs? Lol who the fuck else is there to blame they're the ones in charge of optimization and using power of each hardware..

 

[ReBurn]

Uhhhh....Not even a month into the launch.

What 3rd party is blowing peoples minds?
Dirt 5? Watch Dogs? Bwa-hahahaha. NO.

When poorly optimized third party games are all you have to fight over then that's what you fight over I guess.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

This is essentially Microsoft saying that xbox failure to deliver the power advantadge they claimed it would have is becoming an actual PR problem.

 

[Moonjt9]

Good news, it was always going to be software issues and not the ridiculous hardware conspiracies some people are pushing.

I don’t see anyone pushing hardware “conspiracies.”

The only thing I see is people trying to show Xbox fans that all that marketing about 12 teraflops and “most powerful console ever” was exactly that. Marketing.

The reality of the situation is that the hardware in each console is different. And as many people, myself included, have been saying for MONTHS is that you can’t boil a console’s potential ability down to one magical number called teraflops.

And now you’re seeing the result. PS5 performs equally or better than the Xbox. And Xbox has to walk back their marketing and do damage control PR because their obvious BS has been called out, shown up, and thoroughly debunked by actual real world games.

That is not a hardware conspiracy. Those are the facts, and blind fanboys need to accept it or they’re going to have a rough ride this generation.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Now Xbox fans are playing the waiting and praying hoping games their system will outperforms the PS5 which was supposed to be the weaker system. lol the irony!

Friends: So what games you have on your XSX?
XSX owner: I have "Alan Waiting" "Tools of War" "Halo Infinite Promises".

Well new forum warrior, I'm playing Yakuza, Gears Tactics, a now 60fps Sekiro and NBA2K21. What are you playing?

 

[Jigga117]

Well new forum warrior, I'm playing Yakuza, Gears Tactics, a now 60fps Sekiro and NBA2K21. What are you playing?

Imma keep it , that’s a gamer response right there.

 

[meech]

So you still believe teraflots is the definition of power?

Both companies are using Cpus and Gpus from Amd, so in this case, yes, within the same architecture, more teraflop, more power.

 

[NullZ3r0]

You should know by now to not trust every word that comes out of Microsofts mouth. That is exactly how they got into this mess.

Cerny is God, we get it.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Not one mention of tools.... unless they meant the MS engineers they're sending over.

The were purposefully ambiguous. They didn't blame any specific reason.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Well new forum warrior, I'm playing Yakuza, Gears Tactics, a now 60fps Sekiro and NBA2K21. What are you playing?

 

[chemical boy]

Without exclusives, worse control and also worse in multiplatform. Xbox is throwing money away.

 

[megreotsugua]

Both companies are using Cpus and Gpus from Amd, so in this case, yes, within the same architecture, more teraflop, more power.

Nope. MS deviated from AMD's architecture of 8/10 CUs per shader array. GPUs that are composed of 80/72 CUs from AMD would have 8 shader arrays. Because the optimal number they deem for each shader array is 8/10 CUs.

What MS did is tacked on 2 Dual CUs at the end of the shader arrays because they cannot afford to put another shader engine (2 shader arrays) which would dramatically increase the size of the die.

So no, it's not the same architecture that AMD itself is using in their RDNA1/2 GPUs. MS introduced 6 Dual CUs at the end of the shader array because they need those CU compute for their cloud computing. But for a GPU designed to render games, those CUs are bottlenecked.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Just saying that most people are happy that the PS5 isn't an underpowered system and can keep up with the most powerful one. No 50% delta for either side and that's good to see.

Yes, this would be the adult take on matters. Let's see what the average response is.... oh my...

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yes, this would be the adult take on matters. Let's see what the average response is.... oh my...

To be fair multiplats ate largely the same between the two so it's difficult to determine which system has better performance/visuals from them. There's alot of debate due to that

 

[bitbydeath]

Cerny is God, we get it.

K, I’m an athiest but you pick who you want.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Without exclusives, worse control and also worse in multiplatform. Xbox is throwing money away.

Really none of what you typed is true though is it? It has exclusives, controls are great, and the system is doing great in multiplatform titles. I can see and appreciate different preferences but objectively you're wrong. Both systems are good. Why is that hard to accept?

 

[thismeinteil]

I have to say, with the damage control and Spencer talking about apathy towards their product, I'm guessing the XSX isn't seeing the demand that they hoped.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

... I'm unaware of these results..?

You should know by now to not trust every word that comes out of Microsofts mouth. That is exactly how they got into this mess.

Xbox fans will be just arrogant in two or three years when the performance delta will be more or less exactly what it is now (I'd be surprised if it's very different, one way or another).

You know how long it took for them to accept the xbone was visibly slower than the PS4? With NO redeeming factor.

Being equal, even if they were promised their console would be "better" will be something to behold.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

It's really weird to market your console as the most powerful console and have nothing to show for it. It should have been marketed as a Gamepass box for people who don't want to build PCs. I mean there was some of that, too but it felt like the S was that and the X was for enthusiasts but now it just feels muddled and confusing.

 

[IDappa]

I am just glad we have all realised 120 mode is the most important mode for all games. Who needs 60 frames at 4k with raytracing. We must focus on the future..

 

[meech]

So no, it's not the same architecture that AMD itself is using in their RDNA1/2 GPUs. MS introduced 6 Dual CUs at the end of the shader array because they need those CU compute for their cloud computing. But for a GPU designed to render games, those CUs are bottlenecked.

Its still Rdna 2, despite different number of Cus used for eached shader array...

 

[Entroyp]

I think PS5 games will need to be crippled from now on if MS has a marketing deal with the game. Bummer.

 

[Jigga117]

I think PS5 games will need to be crippled from now on if MS has a marketing deal with the game. Bummer.

LMAO

 

[Valued Gamer]

Sony has put alot of effort and resources into their dev tools.
They are the best in the buisness.
I think there were a couple of reasons Sony stuck with the 36CU GPU, one being to make BC easier, and the other was to make the changeover from PS4 development to PS5 as easy and familiar as possible. Thats my thoughts, not claiming Sony said this.
Sony was also well ahead of MS with releasing dev kits to studios, and this would have given devs a quicker turn around for their PS5 development.
MS on the other hand totally changed their GPU, and added a number of extra API extensions, all while being behind Sony with releasing dev kits into the wild.

Its pretty reasonable to assume that this would have given developers a leg up with their PS5 games coding over the XSX. And again, it's pretty reasonable to assume this would result in PS5 versions of games being better optimised than XSX ones.

 

[longdi]

Sony has put alot of effort and resources into their dev tools.
They are the best in the buisness.
I think there were a couple of reasons Sony stuck with the 36CU GPU, one being to make BC easier, and the other was to make the changeover from PS4 development to PS5 as easy and familiar as possible. Thats my thoughts, not claiming Sony said this.
Sony was also well ahead of MS with releasing dev kits to studios, and this would have given devs a quicker turn around for their PS5 development.
MS on the other hand totally changed their GPU, and added a number of extra API extensions, all while being behind Sony with releasing dev kits into the wild.

Its pretty reasonable to assume that this would have given developers a leg up with their PS5 games coding over the XSX. And again, it's pretty reasonable to assume this would result in PS5 versions of games being better optimised than XSX ones.

If you rewatch road to ps5, mark cerny pretty much showed a diagram that ps5 development is their fastest ramp up ever, just less than a month to get things running.

Even ps1 and ps4, their previous easiest to develop consoles needed 2months iirc the diagram.

 

[KEOPM]

Well new forum warrior, I'm playing Yakuza, Gears Tactics, a now 60fps Sekiro and NBA2K21. What are you playing?

I don't understand the joke. Why are you listing steam games?
I have many steam games too, I still need to get around to many of them.

 

[Jigga117]

I don't understand the joke. Why are you listing steam games?
I have many steam games too, I still need to get around to many of them.

........IT WAS A GAMER RESPONSE. Maybe that’s why your struggling?

 

[Three]

Lazy devs round 2.

 

[magnumpy]

this is the worst thing that has ever happened

 

[KEOPM]

........IT WAS A GAMER RESPONSE. Maybe that’s why your struggling?

Must be an inside joke. Implying PC gaming is the real gamer.