FranXico
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She had a cameo in the game, but is not a CDPR employee.
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CD Projekt Red Emergency Board Call Recording Online: Refunds, Multiplayer, More
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Cato
Banned
Hired or not is a technicality,
she took the glory from being in their game and then threw them under the bus.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Stop defending this shit. Look at the state of the AI (NPC's, Police, traffic). It is honestly pathetic, GTA3, any other ubisoft game has better AI and that is saying something. You can blame the last gen consoles for graphics (lower res assets were to be expected) I've had a PS5 from launch day and the only crash I have had is with this game, multiple times.
If people are saying "they're a PC developer" then fair enough, leave the console market. Charging more money, gtfo here.
It's still a good game but 7 years dev time is laughable compared to the polish of some other titles in development for that long.
GHG
Member
The world is a lot more dense and has a lot more verticality than your standard open world game.
This is almost like if you took mirrors edge and then allowed you to also roam populated streets.
Go up in an elevator somewhere and then find some ledges to run along and you will see what I mean.
SkylineRKR
Member
Honestly I was never planning on buying this for last-gen. Even when I didn't have a PS5 yet and my delivery was planned for 2021 anyway. I understand that lots of gamers couldn't wait, and that the game would at worst a Witcher 3 on consoles experience. Cyberpunk ended up being much worse than that and thats unfortunate. But I won't jump in until the game sees a next-gen upgrade and is good to begin with. Right now I feel the game isn't even that good, so who knows I might never get it.
WakeTheWolf
Member
- 21 or so minutes in, the CEO says they plan to let the Cyberpunk team rest "until February". (good, the actual developers deserve a ton of rest after what their management team has done)
I'm going to go ahead and say they need to sort this mess out asap
The Hamburglar
Banned
They should have just released it as pc only then consoles later.. pc sales alone would have broke them even most likely.
B-universe
Banned
I can recommend some great AAA titles from the investor-less countries of Cuba and North Korea, if you want.
I've read this claim a number of times now.
Where is the evidence for that? Where is the evidence the decision wasn't entirely the board's but that somehow they caved in to investor pressure? Or do you mean the board is there to please shareholders no matter what?
It does depend what we're talking here. If they were running out of money, and 300 million in development costs sure is a lot of money, then Badowski's statement that , quote, "It’s also in direct opposition to what I personally grew to believe a while back — that crunch should never be the answer. But we’ve extended all other possible means of navigating the situation." (source) acquires a new meaning. To me, the bolded reeks of desperation. They possibly needed the cashflow badly.
Ultimately, it's a failure of the leadership
How quickly the mood swings.
If I remember correctly, she said she wouldn't review the game because she couldn't be impartial, seeing as, among other things, she had a cameo, was involved in the promotion, got a chair, etc.
Precious takeaway: CDPR, do not enlist the help of influencers.
Krisprolls
Banned
What do you mean? A trailer is just a trailer, it doesn't mean much for the final result.
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SkylineRKR
Member
Yeah this should've been canned for current-gen (or last-gen if you will). Especially when it was clear it wouldn't be out before 2020. Focus could've been PC, and then PS5/SX. Game has potential to sell throughout a generation like TW3 does.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Get a decent PC or a next-gen console, if you want to play a next-gen game on a last-gen console you're asking for it to run like crap, there's no way around it. People are just entitled lately, the bugs maybe are inexcusable but performance and visuals? I still remember buying Half-Life 2 on a regular XBOX, it played like crap but all that mattered to me was finally playing the game, not sure why people expect miracles.
SkylineRKR
Member
This is true. As I posted before I expected an initial TW3 performance. That is a low framerate, long load times, pop in.. the whole deal. Which is why I never planned to buy Cyberpunk for PS4 Pro. I've always seen it as a release that would be a better fit for the new systems.
HL2 though was the other way around, it came to PC first. And no one really expected it to run on console. I tried the Xbox version for kicks and since I was used to the PC version on a Radeon Pro I thought it was shit but at the same time impressive that the poor system could even run it. And the whole game was there, it was playable. Doom 3 port was more impressive though.
SCB3
Member
Actually, they did ask a fair question, remember its not their fault that it was mismanaged, they're looking to protect thier investment
Komatsu
Member
Yeah, major misfire here. I don't really use YouTube at all besides as a place to look up obscure music so I am not aware of who is influential but the idea of sending merch to twentysomethings with huge followings over which you have no editorial oversight just seems to me like a poor use of marketing resources. Better to roll out the red carpet to the legacy publications.
Exactly, this isn't on the investors, it's on the company that over promised and under delivered. they had like 8 years with this game. if you were an investor you'd be saying get it out already too. The company exec team are the responsible party here.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
This is what I speculated in another thread previously.
That they didn’t hand out review code for console versions was more due to them still working on optimizing the console versions and less towards concealing the bad performance on consoles
That they didn’t hand out review code for console versions was more due to them still working on optimizing the console versions and less towards concealing the bad performance on consoles
LazyParrot
Member
Nickolaidas
Member
Did you just compare a game sold in Early Access mode and the dev team declaring it'll be an unfinished broken mess with a supposedly finished and polished game which was delayed again and again in order to 'meet the high standards gamers deserve'?
LarknThe4th
Member
This game gets "grift of the year" easy
And honestly if feel like everybody involved was lying to themselves about it, ah well their rep is ruined now
And honestly if feel like everybody involved was lying to themselves about it, ah well their rep is ruined now
GeorgPrime
Banned
I lost my last job due to mismanagnent of our last investor.
- he was CEO but kept programming in his small apartment and his company turned into chaos
- he literally postponed our development for 2 years until covid hit
- he decided that some customers that wanted to pay a lot money are too risky
- he blocked all possibilities to survive covid
- he blamed all partners ( even those who earned him money) after everything went downhill
- He literally never listened ro people that wanted to help him but turned to people who just took advantage of his money
- he froze his most valuable and important asset (our company) and wants to take another look at it sometime after covid 19 but competition got now a 1.1 million invest and more are on the rise
- at the moment nobody knows what he is up too and his third company is literally in chaos too i heard
I know some more bad investor stories but this is the one that affected me personally
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Hudo
Member
Yes, because my point is that games should not release in any early state, including early access (which is just a way of making people pay for alpha/beta testing). That was my criticisim. Cyberpunk is basically early access as well but CDPR released it as the full game. Doesn't make a difference, though. Both games are apparently not finished and need more time in the oven.
Cato
Banned
You worked for some loser that ran his company from his home, programming, instead of being at the office and managing the employees? Because it sounds like he really would need to spend some more time at the office and keep his employees from failing.
You disagree with some of the owners business decisions? Well he onwed the company and you did not. Accept that or resign and dont complain on an internet board like a bitch.
I don't believe it.
Why did you stay that long then? Why not go somewhere else that was not doomed?
Sounds made up.
If you are so much better making business decisions, maybe grab the opportunity and start a new company and compete with him and win? So far you only sound like sour grapes because you failed.
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Yeah. Those pesky garbage people who actually finance all your favorite games... fuck em
Who are they anyway? Why are they to think that being competent n working 24/7 for years to get where they giving em any rights to care bout the money they investing?
Burn em like trash!
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GHG
Member
No way would you not agree some form of compensation for doing something like that. If she didn't she's an idiot and to be honest I don't think she's as stupid as she likes to make out to her audience.
thelastword
Banned
In-house QA, you don't say. Same with Witcher 3 I presume......These guys need to spend some money to assure game quality especially after consoles made them make bank with Witcher 3......You could clearly see that their games have very poor QA, even the PC version which is their bread and butter is very unoptimized, filled with bugs and crashes........Poor Ryzen utilization, no DXR support on AMD hardware, when they had a statement saying they have no dedication to NV RT.......These guys seem to be twisting the truth quite a bit from what they show/say to what they deliver....
The media oversold what they saw behind closed doors, CDPR preyed on this hype, but it has now backfired. I can see people retiring after this.....This is not the first time this company have released a game in a woeful state at launch, but it may be the last time it happens if they want to stay and be profitable in this industry.......Even Bethesda's back broke with Fallout 76, gamers and reviewers will only take such awful and buggy releases for a time. I think the gaming community will be less tolerant to such releases going forward.... ...I mean 7 years.......
Gamer's did not push for a release.....This game has been in dev for 7 years, announced for last gen consoles.....The last gen generation is done, the new generation is here and the game is not ready for both last gen consoles and current gen consoles. Think about this for a minute.....The game is not even ready for PC, where a 3090 struggles to run this at a stable 60fps at 4K without DLSS, where the Ryzen CPU is not properly supported and there is no RT on AMD GPU's.....Things redditors and modders discovered in mere hours of owning the game, buggy A.i, low interactivity, low physics, bad side missions.....So what were they doing for 7 years exactly, after several delays and yet this is the state of the game? No one is to blame here but CDPR, because they spoke a very assured and reassuring game prior to release too, they said everything was fine across all platforms. The lie detector proved, what we all know...
The media oversold what they saw behind closed doors, CDPR preyed on this hype, but it has now backfired. I can see people retiring after this.....This is not the first time this company have released a game in a woeful state at launch, but it may be the last time it happens if they want to stay and be profitable in this industry.......Even Bethesda's back broke with Fallout 76, gamers and reviewers will only take such awful and buggy releases for a time. I think the gaming community will be less tolerant to such releases going forward.... ...I mean 7 years.......
Alanah Works for Sony. I think this is the lowest score from IGN in a hot minute. She has done her job for them, she is allowed to have a reaction on what's happening with console reviews......Though I do wonder, if gamers did not protest this and make so much noise, would IGN really give this score. They may not be doing it because their review system dictates it, but because they want gamers to trust them again.....The game even on PC is a bug fest, unoptimized, lacks interactivity, low A.I and physics, they pointed out many technical issues in their review, minus the in-game ones like A.i, lack of interactivity etc, but still gave it a 9......Either way IGN cannot be trusted for consistency.....
GHG
Member
The other games you mentioned are advertised as early access so at least people know what they are getting there.
This on the other hand...
Bartski
Gold Member
so they want to "gain the trust back because they know they lost it", which sure sounds like is all about their values and not just trying to find a way avoid hundreds of thousands refund requests from ps4/xbone buyers. "after 3 delays we as the management board were too focused on releasing the game" wow I wonder why.
regawdless
Banned
They didn't specify. I would say before March. But anything is possible. Lot of people there have to take some time off after all that crunch. Don't know what teams are working on the next gen updates and when they actually started working on it.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Several investors seem to be very concerned about the game being refunded. One asked how the refund process works through Microsoft and Sony and if the investor will still keep his cut. (this person seems to have no regard for customer satisfaction and is only focused on keeping his cut of the money, even after a customer refunds the game.)
if i was promised a good investment i would also only worry about my money tbh.
if i was promised a good investment i would also only worry about my money tbh.
GeorgPrime
Banned
Iam about to start a second company as soon as covid problem gets weaker.
I already tok the experience from back then, rebuold what we developed and came up with a better product
Nobody forced them. This game was announced 8 years ago for those consoles. It was shown and advertised by CDPR for those consoles. The original release date before the delays was April this year, before the release of PS5 and Xbox One. I think after the release and subsequent success and acclaim that went Witcher IIIs way they always planned it, and then its obvious that at some point that plan shifted and they just gave up on it.
Mahavastu
Member
the first official launch date they announced was april this year, when PS4 and XBox One S where the default consoles most people bought.
They say that 40% of the pre orders were for consoles. Since there were no next gen consoles in April, they would have lost 40% of their sales. Why doing that? You do not want to give up 40% of you sales, that would be stupid.
I assume they expected to get a "good enough" version out there and saw the amount of problems way too late in the project. And it is not like it was clear from the beginning that the game will suck on current gen. The PS4 seem to be in the 25+ fps range for like 95% of the time and for surprising long time even over 30, so getting it to quite stable 30fps is not unreasonable.
You see a lot of bugs but these bugs are not because they are on current gen consoles, they are here because of not enough testing...
I don't have the game at the moment, but I expect it to be pretty good after some patches and the next gen versions to be pretty impressive.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
Who supports such a bizarre meme and how could this demonstrate it if the PC version is good and the last gen version is trash? It is more like next gen is holding the last gen back by being too powerful to easily downport from. Or are you just talking about the time they wasted trying to make this shit run on last gen instead of developing the next gen version despite the fact that this was originally planned to launch months before next gen systems dropped?
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Highlights for me:
No one should ever trust these guys again. The common meme insult about day one buyers being beta testers is literally true. That's actually their policy.
- 1) They didn't officially QA test the game at all.
- 2) They are still lying about the patches coming for the base console versions.
- 3) They announced patch "roadmaps" concluding in February, and most of the staff is off until February.
No one should ever trust these guys again. The common meme insult about day one buyers being beta testers is literally true. That's actually their policy.
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And charged Stadia for the privilege of having it on their service before consoles.
Hudo
Member
I get your argument but I still don't think that early access is okay either because it's basically letting people pay for alpha/beta testing. It's basically the same risk as buying a "released" game that needed more time, like Cyberpunk because we don't know whether the stuff that is to be added later for Baldur's Gate III or Mount & Blade II or any other early access game is good or not. What if Larian completely shit the bed with their later chapters/design decisions? It's basically the same "gamble" as buying Cyberpunk right now only that the moniker of "early access" allows for delaying the actual result of the gamble.
My whole point of criticism is that the culture of "release early, patch later" is something that shouldn't be supported. Now obviously, CDPR had 8 years to develop the game but as a customer that's not my problem if their internal project management was/is fucked up.
Portugeezer
Member
I hope that one investor keeps his cut even after refunds.
Kenpachii
Member
They got greedy, that's the whole thing.
They grinded there employee's to dust and scammed a large part of there user base for maximum profits.
FatKingBallman
Banned
They just assumed that Sony and MS will make an exception for them and their broken game in their "apology" tweet. This gets even better day by day...
Seems like they didn't even negotiate with Sony/MS before.
Seems like they didn't even negotiate with Sony/MS before.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Didn’t people say that engines are super scalable, you can easily do cross generation games when they primarily target the high end HW, etc...
. Sorry, not directed at you.
ethomaz
Banned
So what I guessed is true.
- Rushed launch.
- Little to no real QA (in software development when the own dev do the QA is not considered reliable because the dev is already biased to test the things how he developed to works... it needs people not part of the dev team to do real unbiased QA like a 3rd-party QA team).
Seems like the game will have a long time to be fixed... that means the next-gen patches and expansions/DLC will come later imo.... maybe even missing 2021 (expansion/DLC case).
Not acknowledging most people doesn’t have a next-gen console and gives a shit to next-gen console is really sad.
And seems like a lot is excuses are lies.
The refund discussion is sad too.
- Rushed launch.
- Little to no real QA (in software development when the own dev do the QA is not considered reliable because the dev is already biased to test the things how he developed to works... it needs people not part of the dev team to do real unbiased QA like a 3rd-party QA team).
Seems like the game will have a long time to be fixed... that means the next-gen patches and expansions/DLC will come later imo.... maybe even missing 2021 (expansion/DLC case).
Not acknowledging most people doesn’t have a next-gen console and gives a shit to next-gen console is really sad.
And seems like a lot is excuses are lies.
The refund discussion is sad too.
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