Folks, a reminder to keep it on the civil side when exchanging your opinions. Dial back the insults.
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The Last Jedi comparisons only work if you can compare TLOU to Star Wars which it has nothing in common with. It never was the good guys vs bad guys story that Star Wars was. It's apples and oranges.
Here is my question, why does it matter what others considered "GOTY"!? if you liked TLOU2 more, then thats your "GOTY" no matter what Bruce Straley or other people says, it not gonna change how you feel about the game.
13 Sentinels is my personal GOTG, even if entire gaming community disagrees with me.
This is ego.. a million dollar, gargantuanly produced ego display.The best thing about the hatred of the game so perfectly mirrors Ellie's hatred.
The greif of losing someone/something you loved. And not being able to get over it, instead being obsessively consumed by it.
ND has somehow made a story that transcends the borders of the game itself.
This is art.
Watch this fucking video, in case playing the game wasn't enough.
I'm waiting, it's three hours long. Then try again with a straight face.
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The man himself, the gifted, skilled, respected and ballsy artist behind legit masterpieces, agrees with a sentiment most gamers shared this year.
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For those of you not familiar with the man:
Now before calling me a woman hater incel butthurt because his daddy got killed (people saying these things are the scum of humanity btw), my mother is actually the strongest person i know, i'm not a virgin since i was thirteen, i've been with enough girls in my life to see through the bullshit behind modern feminism from miles away, and i think Joel death and lamb PTSD are the only sequences worthy of the legacy of the first game, in terms of quality and expectations based on the talents involved.
So:
The game have actual faults in it's narrative structure and even entire premises of game, your brain being able to detect them or not.
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Is the game great in most areas? Yes. Are ND amazing developers? Yes. Is it fair to criticize certain aspects of it? YES.
P.S. With that being said, this Thread is not made for those sad console warriors who love to shit on PS games regardless, since those pathetic bastards are the ones to blame for making this kind of discussion impossible to have without being laughed at.
This is ego.. a million dollar, gargantuanly produced ego display.
It's Druckmann smelling his own farts in a crystal bottle. Nothing more.
Yet tlou2 has won the most fan awards this year and was subject to the biggest review bomb in history
The Last Jedi comparison it's perfect.
The Last Jedi was a disaster of storytelling, an ego project of a director who believes he is much better than what he really is having too much freedom and too much hate against the fandom, cimenting everything in a cheap, unearned and irrelevant subversion of expectations and the "importance" of identity politics.
Wouldn't surprise me if it was real seeing how bad the script for TLOU2 is. If it is real then thank god Bruce saved the first game.
Is this legit? This plot seems too bad to be real?? WTF
I know, but this is a video game forum, in real life i'd never bother people with this shit but i have to express my disappointment somewhere.. so here we are.Here is my question, why does it matter what others considered "GOTY"!? if you liked TLOU2 more, then thats your "GOTY" no matter what Bruce Straley or other people says, it not gonna change how you feel about the game.
It doesn't matter, he make some seriously solid points which i shared completely during my playthrough.I made a comment on this guy's YouTube video before and you know what? He replied. If you think he properly analyzed the story then you're wrong.
I mean.. you're right. Fuck him.It's more like if Druckmann is fondling your mind, playing with your emotions like a puppet master.
You feel shame and disgust, but also conflicted. Because you know talking about TLOU makes you feel good.
You hate how much control he has over your psyche, but it's hard to let go of the addiction.
The man does seem to have some deeply rooted vengeance issues.Didnt druckmann also want to kill of Elena in uncharted 2?
Wouldn't surprise me if it was real seeing how bad the script for TLOU2 is. If it is real then thank god Bruce saved the first game.
Yet tlou2 has won the most fan awards
and was subject to the biggest review bomb in history
Keep damage controlling.Yet it lost against GoT.
And don't get me wrong, I think TLOU2 it's FAR better than GoT. But narrative wise, it just shit it's bed. And that's going to taint that game forever.
Everytime something gets bad reviews, it's always "review bombing".
Maybe a lot of people genuinely didn't like at all the course the game took?
TLOU 1 was so damn perfection, i've played it like 5 times since 2013 and it's still hit me hard each time, it's one of the best game of all time easy.
Hopefully Naughty Dog will find the guy the will set things the way Bruce did when he was on the studio, looking at how TLOU2 ended being (it's not bad, just not as good as TLOU1 and Uncharted series), they seems to need that kind of guy/leader.
Keep damage controlling.
I'd even argue it's impressive tlou2 came in 2nd for the game awards fan vote considering how much people want to say everyone hates the game. Yet #2 is a pretty good feat considering all the slander. And yet it's the most fan and critically awarded game this year so far.
And yeah, it was review bombed. It has the most user reviews for any game on metacritic and there's no verification any of the reviews played the game. You look on ps store and the game is rated highly which requires the game to be bought. Even on amazon it has good reviews.
There is proof of 4chan inflating votes for ghost of tsushima just to spite tlou2. How much of an actual effect that had, who knows. But tlou2 coming in #2 is a feat on its own considering how much people are supposed to hate itI think, and I genuinely mean zero offense by that, you are underestimating how much influence Neil Druckmann now has at Naughty Dog and I doubt that any big change will happen at Naughty Dog ( at least not the kind of change that some Neogaf frequenters want to see) anytime soon.
He has been there for quite some time, worked his way up and everything he touched turned gold.
I think that dude is talking about the rigged players choice awards which were sabotaged by 4chan lol
Wouldn't surprise me if it was real seeing how bad the script for TLOU2 is. If it is real then thank god Bruce saved the first game.
It doesn't matter, he make some seriously solid points which i shared completely during my playthrough.
I'd even argue it's impressive tlou2 came in 2nd for the game awards fan vote considering how much people want to say everyone hates the game.
And yeah, it was review bombed. It has the most user reviews for any game on metacritic and there's no verification any of the reviews played the game.
Dude how purposely obtuse are you? Tlou2 has won the most fan and critic awards so far this year. And there's deliberate proof since June of plenty of people only flocking to ghost of tsushima just because they want to spite tlou2.If coming second to a game that shouldn't be in the GOTY conversation it's impressive to you and the proof that the game isn't massively hated, who am I to burst your bubble
Except for TLoUII, the one in which he had more freedom.I think, and I genuinely mean zero offense by that, you are underestimating how much influence Neil Druckmann now has at Naughty Dog and I doubt that any big change will happen at Naughty Dog ( at least not the kind of change that some Neogaf frequenters want to see) anytime soon.
He has been there for quite some time, worked his way up and everything he touched turned gold.
Basically TLoUII. Thank God Sony saved the first game then, from such an idiotic story.ORIGINALLY, Tess' brother was going to be killed after Joel tried to save Ellie from being executed. This causes Tess hunt down Joel.
Based on Neil's own words, ELLIE was going to kill Tess right before she was going to kill Joel. This story went through several variations before being accepted by Sony.
How does that proves him wrong about everything. He touched every single story beat and he's spot on.It does. If someone is going to tell me how the story doesn't work, then they should at least know it well.
I thought I loved TLOU2 and that it was a phenomenal game, but now that Bruce Straley liked Ghost of Tsushima I am convinced that TLOU2 was a rancid piece of shit
Thanks for connecting the dots, Vick . Highly convincing
Now before calling me a woman hater incel butthurt because his daddy got killed (people saying these things are the scum of humanity btw), my mother is actually the strongest person i know, i'm not a virgin since i was thirteen, i've been with enough girls in my life to see through the bullshit behind modern feminism from miles away, and i think Joel death and lamb PTSD are the only sequences worthy of the legacy of the first game, in terms of quality and expectations based on the talents involved.
Dude how purposely obtuse are you? Tlou2 has won the most fan and critic awards so far this year. And there's deliberate proof since June of plenty of people only flocking to ghost of tsushima just because they want to spite tlou2.
Except for TLoUII, the one in which he had more freedom.
Here is my question, why does it matter what others considered "GOTY"!? if you liked TLOU2 more, then thats your "GOTY" no matter what Bruce Straley or other people says, it not gonna change how you feel about the game.
13 Sentinels is my personal GOTG, even if entire gaming community disagrees with me.
But tlou2 won against all other games including ghost on other fan voting awards. Are just going to ignore that?Yet again, it lost against GoT. And yet again, it received huge backlash on Metacritic and pretty much every videogame forum.
Seems to me you are the one being purposely obtuse by wanting to live in your little bubble, cherrypicking the things that suit your fantasy and disregarding the ones that don't.
"B-bu-but that doesn't count because review bombing and 4Chan!".
Ok.
But tlou2 won against all other games including ghost on other fan voting awards. Are just going to ignore that?
I'm not saying it doesn't count. All I'm saying is that user scores and user awards all around are pretty unreliable because of shit like this and shit like cod. In the end, user awards and user scores don't mean much to the future of the studio, critics do. And yet, tlou2 beats out ghost of tsushima in both player choice and critic choice awards. It's the reality.
How does that proves him wrong about everything. He touched every single story beat and he's spot on.
oh sweet ironyYet again, it lost against GoT. And yet again, it received huge backlash on Metacritic and pretty much every videogame forum.
Seems to me you are the one being purposely obtuse by wanting to live in your little bubble, cherrypicking the things that suit your fantasy and disregarding the ones that don't.
"B-bu-but that doesn't count because review bombing and 4Chan!".
Ok.
This thread is good reminder that the most interesting movies of al time have a lot divided opinions on it.. almost 2 camps.
Sounds like some virgin incel is talking shit OP. I bet you never been together with a real wamen like Abbey.
Just what i've been saying since the opening post. Nevermind.Well not sure what you mean by that. It worked well for me. Actually much better than just well
Sorry, but who cares about your discussions? He put a three hous long analysis, and he's spot on about any story beat.Not according to our discussion. He was just falling apart.
Playstation awards is small now?You mean small concentred awards that probably only fans of the game to begin with will care about are more reliable than the standard review site for gamers?
I don't know, man.
Bruce straley did not write the first game.The situation reminds me of True Detective (a TV show).
Season 1 had 2 guys in charge who played off each other and one of the writers got reigned in. It was a pretty good show in season 1. But then, for season 2, one writer left and the artsy fartsy one was fully in charge. It ended up being an embarrassingly bad second season full of overwritten horseshit and bad ideas because the bad writer was no longer being reigned in.
Playstation awards is small now?
But both games are PlayStation exclusives.They are too focused on one demographic.
Honestly yeah, unlike games like TLOU 2 and GoT, 13 Sentinels barely get any media attention and pretty sure it didn’t sell well in west.Reaffirmation. I'm sure you'd love it if more people were talking about 13 Sentinels.
Nope. Never. Beat it like a teenager discovering masturbation.Will we ever stop beating this dead horse?
he literally just clicked like on a tweet
I don’t get the OP because in no pic he said what OP claim
Good point.Honestly I'd put the faults (if I had many) for tlou2s story on halley gross. She's a writer on westworld & I think neil would have been fine on his own. People seem to gloss over her.