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[waquzy]

Yeah in the part it drops, of course it is. I remember getting laughed at on here when i said games dropping 1 frame to 59fps in games can cause judder, becasue it does.
Pathetic responce though from you. Cringe

I agree, of course it is very noticable when the game drops from 60fps to 41fps, it's juddering, like you said. That's why the PS5 gets the win here.

 

[Superayate]

Seriously, pure fanboys are really annoying. Impossible to continue discussing in an interessing way when it is polluted by fucking stupid messages.

 

[Entroyp]

Interesting.

 

[Great Hair]

This looks fake tbh.. just like the ps5 framerate vid. I don't see the actual drops when looking at the gameplay.

his other videos have the ps5 dropping frames in cod 4k60 raytracing during the same segment as DF´s video (window hall).

 

[MonarchJT]

Yep you must have missed my comment where I said the XSX destroys the PS5 with this game. If this becomes the norm it's pretty much an embarrassment for Sony. Now if the PS5 was 399$ I would understand but the same price as the XSX?

That's something I have an issue with.

P.S I'm only talking about the disk versions.

look...guys the truth is that this kind of difference will notice those who, like us, know what and how to look. the average user who plays on console today is the one who buys fifa and cod every year and with all the respect for these games casual gamers don't care less about the differences we argue about incessantly. I honestly think like you if the next releases will see this kind of difference it will not be a good figure for Sony especially at that price but already as I wrote previously the most sore point among the comparisons up to now it is the fact that without a heavy optimization all cerny customizations on the I / o do not bring practically benefits . But with I said before the great mass does not see what we see .. that we already need someone like DF to help us with comparisons that are now almost impossible with the naked eye.

 

[MasterCornholio]

his other videos have the ps5 dropping frames in cod 4k60 raytracing during the same segment as DF´s video (window hall).

If this does exist then other sources like NXGamer and VGtech will show it. We will find out soon enough if it's real or not.

However according to John at Digital Foundry they didn't have the same issues. Take this with a massive grain of salt.

 

[MonarchJT]

Interesting.

did you see the twitter of this person? is him a fanboy ?

 

[MasterCornholio]

look...guys the truth is that this kind of difference will notice those who, like us, know what and how to look. the average user who plays on console today is the one who buys fifa and cod every year and with all the respect for these games casual gamers don't care less about the differences we argue about incessantly. I honestly think like you if the next releases will see this kind of difference it will not be a good figure for Sony especially at that price but already as I wrote previously the most sore point among the comparisons up to now it is the fact that without a heavy optimization all cerny customizations on the I / o do not bring practically benefits . But with I said before the great mass does not see what we see .. that we already need someone like DF to help us with comparisons that are now almost impossible with the naked eye.

Could be that the customizations are just a bunch of BS in the PS5. Companies oversell their products alot and that could be the case with Cernys presentation. It will be curious to see if this becomes the norm or if this game is some sort of fluke.

 

[Superayate]

did you see the twitter of this person? is him a fanboy ?

Just a little

 

[intbal]

Xbox uses the same SDK... GDK develops to all Xbox since Xbox One to Series X... including PC.

That's not correct.
Games for Series X/S can still be developed on the XDK with the Gen9Aware mode.
If someone owns this game for Series X, all they have to do is check the file info and it will say which development version it was.

 

[kyliethicc]

Bit weird that Hitman 3 on PS4 Pro is better than on Xbox One X, even though we all know the One X is more powerful spec system.

Makes me wonder what IO Interactive is doing with the various versions.

The Hitman 3 versions currently rank: XOne X < PS4 Pro < PS5 < XSX .. so clearly they're not using each system to their max potential.

Like why is there no 60 FPS mode on One X? How is the PS4 Pro and One X the same res? Why is the PS5 only 1800p? etc

 

[LivingD3AD]

did you see the twitter of this person? is him a fanboy ?

If he’s a fanboy then he is a way better and more logical fanboy than typical xbox fanboys like timdog, kidsmoove, coleastwood etc

i like his stuff

 

[ManaByte]

If he’s a fanboy then he is a way better and more logical fanboy than typical xbox fanboys like timdog, kidsmoove, coleastwood etc

 

[Leyasu]

Interesting.

Why are you always giving a platform to tweets from a rampant fanboy?

 

[Kagey K]

If he’s a fanboy then he is a way better and more logical fanboy than typical xbox fanboys like timdog, kidsmoove, coleastwood etc

i like his stuff

Textbook confirmation bias.

 

[MightySquirrel]

Yeah, just found some benchmarks. The PS5 in theory should be around that if not a bit higher, but it's possible that at native 4k they didnt want to ship something that would be sub 60 fps on a consistent basis.

I think a custom resolution of say 3840X2000p wouldve allowed them to easily hit 60 fps, but I usually have trouble setting up those custom resolutions on PC and having the TVs support them so I dont know if there are issues with that on consoles.

Whoa by that graph 3060ti outpaces ps5 by like 30%.

This is why you never judge gf cards performance from only one game, but take an average of 5-10 games wheres some favors one arch next game favors another and then average the perf.

 

[ethomaz]

That's not correct.
Games for Series X/S can still be developed on the XDK with the Gen9Aware mode.
If someone owns this game for Series X, all they have to do is check the file info and it will say which development version it was.

Yeap... I mean the XDK (old) and GDK (new) works with all Xbox.

But there are some new feature that can only be used in GDK like the VRS Tier 2.

 

[AgentP]

Whoa by that graph 3060ti outpaces ps5 by like 30%.

That graph shows no such thing. We don't know the performance of the PS5 at 4k. All we know is it is capped at 60fps at the current configuration.

 

[Mr Moose]

I am curious if this could be why?

"IO Interactive have released the PC system requirements of Hitman 3's upcoming PC version, revealing that the game will exclusively support Windows 10 through the DirectX 12 API."

No OpenGL/other API support so they are using a DX wrapper or something?

 

[MightySquirrel]

That graph shows no such thing. We don't know the performance of the PS5 at 4k. All we know is it is capped at 60fps at the current configuration.

It does.

3060ti 73fps at 3840x2160= 8,3 million pixels + better shadows.

ps5 60fps at 3200x1800= 5,7 mill pix + lower shadows.

So 3060 Ti pushes 45% more pixels with better shadows to boot and who knows, if other settings are maxed on ps5. Looks like I was being very generous with my estimation.

 

[ethomaz]

I am curious if this could be why?

"IO Interactive have released the PC system requirements of Hitman 3's upcoming PC version, revealing that the game will exclusively support Windows 10 through the DirectX 12 API."

No OpenGL/other API support so they are using a DX wrapper or something?

You don’t need other API on Windows 10.

 

[Mr Moose]

You don’t need other API on Windows 10.

You do on PS5 though and if it doesn't support other APIs on PC, they could just be using a DirectX wrapper on PS4/PS5(?)
Hitman 2 supports OpenGL.

 

[kuncol02]

Interesting.

Is that Geordiemp twitter?

 

[Shodan09]

Since we are still struggling with this, I made this handy chart to help tell the difference between the current gen versions.

 

[Nikana]

Since we are still struggling with this, I made this handy chart to help tell the difference between the current gen versions.

 

[ethomaz]

You do on PS5 though and if it doesn't support other APIs on PC, they could just be using a DirectX wrapper on PS4/PS5(?)
Hitman 2 supports OpenGL.

Your quote is specifically about Windows 10... the PC version is exclusive to Windows 10 using DX12.

“ PC version, revealing that the game will exclusively support Windows 10 through the DirectX 12 API."

PS5 doesn’t support OpenGL or Vulkan either... Sony has it own API.

 

[squarealex]

edit : damn Imgur Sucks

 

[bxrz]

Xbox beats PS5 in one game and we get 24 pages

never change GAF

 

[Mr Moose]

Your quote is specifically about Windows 10... the PC version is exclusive to Windows 10 using DX12.

“ PC version, revealing that the game will exclusively support Windows 10 through the DirectX 12 API."

PS5 doesn’t support OpenGL or Vulkan either... Sony has it own API.

I'm just wondering why 1800p.
Is that not a possibility that they are using a DX wrapper on PS systems?
Is it because 1800p is the next step down from 2160? (16∶9)
Why aren't they using dynamic res on all systems? Seems weird these days not using a dynamic res.

 

[M1chl]

You do on PS5 though and if it doesn't support other APIs on PC, they could just be using a DirectX wrapper on PS4/PS5(?)
Hitman 2 supports OpenGL.

No not really, that APi is totally different and such wrapper would be probably really hard to pull off. Both Death Stranding and Horizon is rewrite of calls to API...

 

[oldergamer]

Man there are some people turning themselves inside out over this

 

[Shmunter]

Why does the PS4 VR version of the game (which runs in BC on PS5 as there is no PS5 VR right now, and requires a separate download of the PS4 version) have anything to do with the PS5 native version of the game?

This seems like a reach.

Logically with the game being cross gen, the versions are very likely branches of a single source instead of completely seperate versions.

 

[Shmunter]

Other YouTubers seem to find many more drops, and not just in that one scene :

Is that legit? Holy crap, DF better not be dropping the ball. Reputation is so important in the connected world.

 

[Shmunter]

damn, thats awful.

how does DF miss this?

Maybe they didn’t notice because of teh VRR?

 

[ethomaz]

Wrong thread.

 

[Null Persp]

Is that legit? Holy crap, DF better not be dropping the ball. Reputation is so important in the connected world.

Not legit.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

Why are you always giving a platform to tweets from a rampant fanboy?

I am pretty sure Joe Miller is one of the Next Gen Spec Crew Members, or maybe an account multiple warriors share.

Since we are still struggling with this, I made this handy chart to help tell the difference between the current gen versions.

Thread should have been closed right after you posted this.

Xbox beats PS5 in one game and we get 24 pages

never change GAF

Pretty much every head to head analysis thread gets 1k replies, or close. Lowest I have seen is 500. Nothing new here. PS5 winners have 2k+ replies in some cases

 

[MasterCornholio]

I am pretty sure Joe Miller is one of the Next Gen Spec Crew Members, or maybe an account multiple warriors share.

Thread should have been closed right after you posted this.



Pretty much every head to head analysis thread gets 1k replies, or close. Lowest I have seen is 500. Nothing new here. PS5 winners have 2k+ replies in some cases

Do you enjoy playstation?

 

[Batiman]

Xbox beats PS5 in one game and we get 24 pages

never change GAF

Seems like it’s mostly defenders that rushed in for damage control tbh

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Seems like it’s mostly defenders that rushed in for damage control tbh

And rabid xbox fanbois whom havent posted in months

 

[MarkMe2525]

24 pages in 1 day over a hitman game. Smh

 

[Shmunter]

Errr...what’s up with the ridiculous LOD pop in on XsX with the trees. One x no issues....

Changing technique is nice and all, but for it to be downgraded? Anyone know how the PS5 handles this, it’s very distracting.

 

[papersleeves]

Errr...what’s up with the ridiculous LOD pop in on XsX with the trees. One x no issues....

Changing technique is nice and all, but for it to be downgraded? Anyone know how the PS5 handles this, it’s very distracting.

It's the same. It's the new engine with its updated trees. Looks like they tuned their LOD settings.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

And rabid xbox fanbois whom havent posted in months

Imagine pretending like this doesn't work both ways.

The Sony Side has been....pretty fuckin' "extra" the last couple months. I understand this is in response to the Xbox Side being "extra" after the specs were revealed in the early summer, so I guess fair is fair. I just hope it levels out at some point.

24 pages in 1 day over a hitman game. Smh

Dirt 5 (in total, all threads combined) generated way more and I am pretty sure the vast majority of us haven't played it. Again, nothing new here. These replies don't really accomplish anything. This is a typical head-to-head analysis thread. They all look like this, especially since November.

The threads won't stop, nor will the damage control defense of either console that "loses" any given matchup. Doesn't matter what game it is.

The NG version of Control will get similar treatment in March and that is a last-gen game being repackaged with a NG patch as new release. Whatever is after that, and on and on and on.

Just wait for the NG version of Cyberpunk. Gonna be a bloodbath.

Errr...what’s up with the ridiculous LOD pop in on XsX with the trees. One x no issues....

Changing technique is nice and all, but for it to be downgraded? Anyone know how the PS5 handles this, it’s very distracting.

Wanna hit me with a timestamp? I'm heavily medicated at the moment and lazy as fuck.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Since we are still struggling with this, I made this handy chart to help tell the difference between the current gen versions.

WTF am I looking at?

Your post is blank. I don't see any charts. Whats going on?

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Imagine pretending like this doesn't work both ways.

The Sony Side has been....pretty fuckin' "extra" the last couple months. I understand this is in response to the Xbox Side being "extra" after the specs were revealed in the early summer, so I guess fair is fair. I just hope it levels out at some point.



Dirt 5 (in total, all threads combined) generated way more and I am pretty sure the vast majority of us haven't played it. Again, nothing new here. These replies don't really accomplish anything. This is a typical head-to-head analysis thread. They all look like this, especially since November.

The threads won't stop, nor will the damage control defense of either console that "loses" any given matchup. Doesn't matter what game it is.

The NG version of Control will get similar treatment in March and that is a last-gen game being repackaged with a NG patch as new release. Whatever is after that, and on and on and on.

Just wait for the NG version of Cyberpunk. Gonna be a bloodbath.



Wanna hit me with a timestamp? I'm heavily medicated at the moment and lazy as fuck.

I know it goes both ways... i only pointed out team green because the person i was replying to was doing exactly what you accused me of doing

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Seems like it’s mostly defenders that rushed in for damage control tbh

You must be blind or have difficulty reading to have come to that conclusion.
It goes both ways.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

WTF am I looking at?

Your post is blank. I don't see any charts. Whats going on?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Imagine pretending like this doesn't work both ways.

The Sony Side has been....pretty fuckin' "extra" the last couple months. I understand this is in response to the Xbox Side being "extra" after the specs were revealed in the early summer, so I guess fair is fair. I just hope it levels out at some point.



Dirt 5 (in total, all threads combined) generated way more and I am pretty sure the vast majority of us haven't played it. Again, nothing new here. These replies don't really accomplish anything. This is a typical head-to-head analysis thread. They all look like this, especially since November.

The threads won't stop, nor will the damage control defense of either console that "loses" any given matchup. Doesn't matter what game it is.

The NG version of Control will get similar treatment in March and that is a last-gen game being repackaged with a NG patch as new release. Whatever is after that, and on and on and on.

Just wait for the NG version of Cyberpunk. Gonna be a bloodbath.



Wanna hit me with a timestamp? I'm heavily medicated at the moment and lazy as fuck.

I know right. Its dumb.

Both consoles perform equally well. We are talking about minor frame drops or slight resolution advantages. Nothing as dramatic as between 360 vs PS3 in the early years.

But people will always pick a side, sharpen their knives and get ready to do battle over a couple of minor frame drops.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Seems like it’s mostly defenders that rushed in for damage control tbh

And rabid xbox fanbois whom havent posted in months

You're both right.