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[Shmunter]

Imagine pretending like this doesn't work both ways.

The Sony Side has been....pretty fuckin' "extra" the last couple months. I understand this is in response to the Xbox Side being "extra" after the specs were revealed in the early summer, so I guess fair is fair. I just hope it levels out at some point.



Dirt 5 (in total, all threads combined) generated way more and I am pretty sure the vast majority of us haven't played it. Again, nothing new here. These replies don't really accomplish anything. This is a typical head-to-head analysis thread. They all look like this, especially since November.

The threads won't stop, nor will the damage control defense of either console that "loses" any given matchup. Doesn't matter what game it is.

The NG version of Control will get similar treatment in March and that is a last-gen game being repackaged with a NG patch as new release. Whatever is after that, and on and on and on.

Just wait for the NG version of Cyberpunk. Gonna be a bloodbath.



Wanna hit me with a timestamp? I'm heavily medicated at the moment and lazy as fuck.

7:35 onwards

 

[Panajev2001a]

I don't think it was just because of the specs that did it. There were a ton of cases of misinformation being spread around that contributed to the frustration. People were genuinely afraid of the broken PS5 rumors that were being spread around.

But at least the system is reliable it's a shame that might end up being unpowered if this comparison becomes the norm. Hopefully it keeps up with the XSX in future comparisons.

I am not sure I get that honestly. We expected PS5 to have a graphics gap around 18% or so (significantly less in some titles and possibly a bit more in others) and we have a disk less model for $399. Xbox has nothing matching that price point with the same HW specs.

If the expectations were that the SSD I/O horsepower difference was going to show the difference without a lot of dev involvement (so outside of the first party titles) then yeah it is a bit of a disappointment, but in line with how MS designed the XOX and thus the XSX: if you estimate a component requires considerable developers efforts to take advantage of power beyond XYZ things/s then do not provide more than XYZ and invest in something else without trying too hard to punch above your weight.

I do suspect both systems are still under-utilised SSD wise as they both have the right HW infrastructure and API’s, but developers have still to catch up and rework the way they store data and how they stream it into memory and that requires changes in the engine and how your content exporters break down and package data I would think. I am still optimistic, especially given both companies have plenty of first party studios.

Edit: just to be clear, I think it was expected by both console architects, but I doubt Sony chose an impractical and unachievable solution, just something that would still allow very good results at launch (meets or beats the competition even if slightly) but could have room to evolve and I think it will match what developers start doing to games on all platform to support the bandwidth and lower level I/O API’s available and thus on PS5 too (which stands to gain a lot).

 

[Heisenberg007]

I am not sure I get that honestly. We expected PS5 to have a graphics gap around 18% or so (significantly less in some titles and possibly a bit more in others) and we have a disk less model for $399. Xbox has nothing matching that price point with the same HW specs.

If the expectations were that the SSD I/O horsepower difference was going to show the difference without a lot of dev involvement (so outside of the first party titles) then yeah it is a bit of a disappointment, but in line with how MS designed the XOX and thus the XSX: if you estimate a component requires considerable developers efforts to take advantage of power beyond XYZ things/s then do not provide more than XYZ and invest in something else without trying too hard to punch above your weight.

I do suspect both systems are still under-utilised SSD wise as they both have the right HW infrastructure and API’s, but developers have still to catch up and rework the way they store data and how they stream it into memory and that requires changes in the engine and how your content exporters break down and package data I would think. I am still optimistic, especially given both companies have plenty of first party studios.

All good points. Regarding PS5's SSD and I/O though, the reason is that this is a new I/O system that requires dedicated code. Because almost all these games have PS4 versions, the devs aren't using specific code to fully tap into the PS5's I/O system. I believe Matt (PS5's hardware engineer) also commented on that.

This will be fixed as we move further into the generation and fully abandon older-gen games and coding techniques.

 

[Gediminas]

so, PS5 has better FPS, better detail, better texture, better lod, better reflections, better particles, is not so wash out, loading faster, has dualsense. yet another win for PS5.

 

[octiny]

so, PS5 has better FPS, better detail, better texture, better lod, better reflections, better particles, is not so wash out, loading faster, has dualsense. yet another win for PS5.

 

[TBiddy]

so, PS5 has better FPS, better detail, better texture, better lod, better reflections, better particles, is not so wash out, loading faster, has dualsense. yet another win for PS5.

Is this a reference I'm missing? Or are you actually serious?

 

[Bittermich]

All good points. Regarding PS5's SSD and I/O though, the reason is that this is a new I/O system that requires dedicated code. Because almost all these games have PS4 versions, the devs aren't using specific code to fully tap into the PS5's I/O system. I believe Matt (PS5's hardware engineer) also commented on that.

This will be fixed as we move further into the generation and fully abandon older-gen games and coding techniques.

what makes you think that 3rd party devs will spend time to use specific code to fully tap into the PS5s I/O? They will most likely use PC I/O as the base and call it a day.
It’s not like GPU or CPU where you can easily scale using Res/FPS.

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

what makes you think that 3rd party devs will spend time to use specific code to fully tap into the PS5s I/O? They will most likely use PC I/O as the base and call it a day.
It’s not like GPU or CPU where you can easily scale using Res/FPS.

Probably by profiling. Who cares anyways ps5 should of done better in my opinion but hey i either put it into 3 things either a rushed job bc and patched to release the game quicker. Shit part on the devs Or Glacier engine sucks as and they need a new engine. They could also be used to delivering game better using directx but who knows

 

[Dibils2k]

so, PS5 has better FPS, better detail, better texture, better lod, better reflections, better particles, is not so wash out, loading faster, has dualsense. yet another win for PS5.

 

[Doczu]

So how's that secret SSD sayce doing? One second faster loadings, i'm going to be honest here guys, think of all the time we will be saving!
#ThanksSony !

 

[Thirty7ven]

Edit: don’t even wanna bother

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

So was that video with Xbox talking to the girl on the hill and going down the driveway at 40 fps not real?

 

[Zheph]

Edit: don’t even wanna bother

yeah don't worry about it, its just like all those SSD talks when there are a few games with 2s loading but but but let's compare on crossgen games we are wasting time

 

[Agent_Nobody]

So was that video with Xbox talking to the girl on the hill and going down the driveway at 40 fps not real?

Nope.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Nope.

Ok thanks. Seemed off to me. Unless you are saying nope to it's not real making it real. Damn double negatives could be tricking me.

 

[Agent_Nobody]

Ok thanks. Seemed off to me. Unless you are saying nope to it's not real making it real. Damn double negatives could be tricking me.

 

[Caio]

This face off looks so much close to the usual BC Games differences between XSX and PS5. Why PS5 is using PS4 Pro assets ?
PS5 can easily do much better than this, and I'm wondering what's going on here.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Ok great. That beginning part on the hill is the most taxing part of the level on low to high end PC's. If Xbox isn't dropping there it really shouldn't be dropping 20+ frames from shooting the Sniper rifles. The Sniper rifle smoke again only makes PC drop 1 to 2 fps. Still think it's some kind of Xbox bug since both consoles experience it.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Yo what happened to the reflections? NXGamer video shall be lit.

 

[Stooky]

I really want to see DF do ps4 pro vs ps5. Or maybe nxgamer will do it. It feels like it’s running bc with a hi res texture pack.Alot of nextgen features are missing on both consoles, they both should be crushing it.
dont know how accurate this video is but check it.


edit: just saw that ray tracing is coming later this year for pc and next gen.

 

[smart_brazileiro]

Why get people so worked up over this irrelevant shit? I have a ps5 and I can't change change jack shit about any of this. So why care? It's ridiculous. If u have both consoles, good for you cuz u can choose, but for literally anyone else it's irrelevant. What does it matter? My God.. Don't u people have nothing to worry about in your lives? U win.. No, I win. Your console weak, mine is way better... It's annoying as fuck, this childish bickering.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Never seen so many knickers getting twisted.

 

[aries_71]

Why get people so worked up over this irrelevant shit? I have a ps5 and I can't change change jack shit about any of this. So why care? It's ridiculous. If u have both consoles, good for you cuz u can choose, but for literally anyone else it's irrelevant. What does it matter? My God.. Don't u people have nothing to worry about in your lives? U win.. No, I win. Your console weak, mine is way better... It's annoying as fuck, this childish bickering.

Agreed. Can you believe there was a time when this shit didn't exist? Before all these youtubers discovered there was a business doing these mostly pointless and irrelevant face-offs?
It was bliss.

 

[fatmarco]

Ok great. That beginning part on the hill is the most taxing part of the level on low to high end PC's. If Xbox isn't dropping there it really shouldn't be dropping 20+ frames from shooting the Sniper rifles. The Sniper rifle smoke again only makes PC drop 1 to 2 fps. Still think it's some kind of Xbox bug since both consoles experience it.

It's interesting because on the One X the Hawkes Bay level in Hitman 2 used to suffer massive frame drops when moving through the long grass whereas if I remember correctly the Ps4 Pro didn't. It was never fixed. Admittedly the One X was operating at a higher res, but when replaying H2 on Series X moving through Flora/ having a high amount of alpha transparencies on screen crushed the fps too.

 

[Night.Ninja]

Do you think those fake videos could be the reason why we haven't seen anything from nx gamer and vg tech yet?

 

[ethomaz]

Do you think those fake videos could be the reason why we haven't seen anything from nx gamer and vg tech yet?

NX doesn’t receive review copies so he take a time to buy all versions and do the job.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

It's interesting because on the One X the Hawkes Bay level in Hitman 2 used to suffer massive frame drops when moving through the long grass whereas if I remember correctly the Ps4 Pro didn't. It was never fixed. Admittedly the One X was operating at a higher res, but when replaying H2 on Series X moving through Flora/ having a high amount of alpha transparencies on screen crushed the fps too.

Bug might not be right word. Maybe the engine just doesn't play nice. If an Rx 580 with a first gen ryzen doesn't drop like that you think the series wouldn't either. Other games don't have this problem. At least not to the extent

 

[Concern]

Do you think those fake videos could be the reason why we haven't seen anything from nx gamer and vg tech yet?

Im sure he's just working out how many different angles and cuts of the mendoza mission he can squeeze in of the xbox version.

He's really gonna show df how its done now lol.

Most pathetic part is the fanboys gloating over a retards fake faceoff video.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Holy fuck this thread keeps delivering. Now they're even faking videos just to cope. This is insane lmao.

 

[sircaw]

Oooh, lucky for them that the other video turned out to be complete fanboy bullshit.

Otherwise an angry Sony fan on a gaming forum was going to teach them a lesson.

it's more about credibility sunshine, not sony fans teaching people a lesson,

 

[Loope]

it's more about credibility sunshine, not sony fans teaching people a lesson,

Nah not really.But you keep fucking that chicken.

 

[papersleeves]

Let’s be clear, it’s beyond terrible. Those trees are coming into existence literally in front of the player character. Despite lacking some ssr on the old version, on balance it seems to be the better way to play.

It's definitely a downgrade in this scene, though we do not know if it behaves like that in the entirety of the game. Maybe this was a bug specific to this scene. Maybe It's like that in all of the old maps now. Maybe It's like that in the new maps too.

In any case, I plan to buy the game this week. Will report back when I get my hands on it.

 

[HoofHearted]

Not surprised...

This guy clearly is either misrepresenting the results on purpose to gain views for his flailing YT channel, or is a just a moron with new toys that doesn’t know how to operate them properly....

 

[sircaw]

Nah not really.But you keep fucking that chicken.

If your going to respond at least make some sense.


also watching the new King thrash video, what is going on at 16.oo min mark with those reflections, that can not be right surely. I mean going by that little segment what kind of sacrifices have been made on the series x. That is a massive amount of detail that is missing?

Are xbox fans happy with that entire floor missing reflections, its terrible

 

[HoofHearted]

 

[Panajev2001a]

Most pathetic part is the fanboys gloating over a retards fake faceoff video.

Fanboys coming out of caves just to gloat is pathetic period . So yeah, on a fake video even worse...

 

[HoofHearted]

Why get people so worked up over this irrelevant shit? I have a ps5 and I can't change change jack shit about any of this. So why care? It's ridiculous. If u have both consoles, good for you cuz u can choose, but for literally anyone else it's irrelevant. What does it matter? My God.. Don't u people have nothing to worry about in your lives? U win.. No, I win. Your console weak, mine is way better... It's annoying as fuck, this childish bickering.

Insanity from the pandemic is starting to set in....people are clearly bored...

 

[Bernd Lauert]

If your going to respond at least make some sense.


also watching the new King thrash video, what is going on at 16.oo min mark with those reflections, that can not be right surely. I mean going by that little segment what kind of sacrifices have been made on the series x. That is a massive amount of detail that is missing?

Are xbox fans happy with that entire floor missing reflections, its terrible

Damn, you still pushing that fake video lmao. This is what desparation looks like. Should also be bannable tbh.

 

[onesvenus]

If your going to respond at least make some sense.


also watching the new King thrash video, what is going on at 16.oo min mark with those reflections, that can not be right surely. I mean going by that little segment what kind of sacrifices have been made on the series x. That is a massive amount of detail that is missing?

Are xbox fans happy with that entire floor missing reflections, its terrible

If the beginning of the video is false, how come can we believe anything else on it?

 

[sircaw]

Damn, you still pushing that fake video lmao. This is what desparation looks like.

i am not talking about the fps chart i am talking about the reflections, they are two different things, and you can clearly see it in the video, can you address that point thanks.

 

[sircaw]

If the beginning of the video is false, how come can we believe anything else on it?

The fps is fake but the reflection one you can clearly see it missing, that's the point i am asking about,

 

[StabbyStabStabStabStab]

I imagine there's an extra puddle later in the game to make up for the lost puddle.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

If your going to respond at least make some sense.


also watching the new King thrash video, what is going on at 16.oo min mark with those reflections, that can not be right surely. I mean going by that little segment what kind of sacrifices have been made on the series x. That is a massive amount of detail that is missing?

Are xbox fans happy with that entire floor missing reflections, its terrible

You the one always boooo hoooing about Xbox people spreading fud, yet here you are. Let me guess,"but mom they started it."

 

[M1chl]

The fps is fake but the reflection one you can clearly see it missing, that's the point i am asking about,

When there is PC version, this stuff can be easily adjusted, to positive or negative...

 

[sircaw]

You the one always boooo hoooing about Xbox people spreading fud, yet here you are. Let me guess,"but mom they started it."

Address my point about the reflections please, not go off on a side track thanks.

 

[MilkyJoe]

so, PS5 has better FPS, better detail, better texture, better lod, better reflections, better particles, is not so wash out, loading faster, has dualsense. yet another win for PS5.

 

[sircaw]

When there is PC version, this stuff can be easily adjusted, to positive or negative...

definitely agree that could be a possibility, but we have no proof it is that.

+ that's like saying every video ever made could be like that,

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Address my point about the reflections please, not go off on a side track thanks.

Zero sidetrack. Reflections are equal most places. Your conclusion is fud.

 

[sircaw]

Zero sidetrack. Reflections are equal most places. Your conclusion is fud.

What are you talking about fud, its right there in the video, do you even understand what the term Fud means,
Did you watch the video, either you are being dishonest or your Fanboy mentality is stopping you from actually having an unbiased look at something.

The reflections are clearly missing in that section of the game, and you say fud, haha, what the hell dude.

And people wonder why we can never have an honest discussion on this forum.

 

[onesvenus]

The fps is fake but the reflection one you can clearly see it missing, that's the point i am asking about,

So, they can add fake fps graph and counters but not misslabel another version? Again, knowing the length he went to fake the fps, why are you giving any credence to anything else on the video? Even more when no other site has reported that.