TransTrender
Gold Member
RIP in Piss
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TransTrender
Gold Member
Nah, I read it completely differently.
BF2 was mostly a functional game with a broken progression system.
Anthem was a fundamentally broken game with disparate game systems trying to function together on top of a skin deep hacked apart narrative and an unpleasant user experience. It would take far too much work to actually fix the primary game system, then the loot and progression systems, put the narrative back together the way they intended, and then overall quality of life improvements.
Kadve
Member
They indeed tried dozen of times to say they did were not copying Destiny instead when they basically rip off Destiny ideias lol
EA was always clear they wanted their own Destiny and BioWare was clear about watching Destiny close.
True. But what's funny is that according to Aaron Flynn, EA was actually very hands off when it came to the development of Anthem.
The only time they kinda intervened was when they noticed how much bioware was struggling with getting the games original engine to work and offered (note the word, at no point did EA actually tell them to use it) them Frostbite in order to speed things up (which made sense as the game had languished in development hell for several years at that point).
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My take from that statement was they blamed Covid. And that is funny to me considering the disaster it has been since before Covid.
Anthem Update
Friends, In the spirit of transparency and closure we wanted to share that we’ve made the difficult decision to stop our new development work on Anthem (aka Anthem NEXT). We will, however, continue…blog.bioware.com
Negotiator101
Member
Sad, game had a lot of potential. At least the team is moving on to another project.
ripeavocado
Banned
Good Riddance, a shitty game that was doomed since the concept phase.
I guess DA4 is the last chance for Bioware?
They have been consistenly unable to produce decent games for a decade now, their management is rotten to the core.
I guess DA4 is the last chance for Bioware?
They have been consistenly unable to produce decent games for a decade now, their management is rotten to the core.
King_Mandu
Banned
EA needs to sell off Bioware. They're such an incompetent publisher when it comes to single player games I don't even know why they bother. Stick to FIFA/Madden/Battlefield/mobile bullshit.
Sell Bioware to Microsoft or Sony or someone who knows how to handle a sp rpg studio. Since the purchase multiple Bioware games have had development struggles and/or direction problems. One time? Blame the studio. Multiple times? That's just pure publisher incompetence and fuckery.
To think Quarian Lost Ark DLC died for this stupid game.
Terrible comparison. CDPR doesn't have slot machines disguised as games making billions from predatory microtransactions and C2077 was actually a content packed game no matter what the Youtube snake cunts want you to believe. CDPR partially made their name from great post-release support. EA is EA and gonna EA as long as people keep lining their pockets with mtx money.
Sell Bioware to Microsoft or Sony or someone who knows how to handle a sp rpg studio. Since the purchase multiple Bioware games have had development struggles and/or direction problems. One time? Blame the studio. Multiple times? That's just pure publisher incompetence and fuckery.
To think Quarian Lost Ark DLC died for this stupid game.
Terrible comparison. CDPR doesn't have slot machines disguised as games making billions from predatory microtransactions and C2077 was actually a content packed game no matter what the Youtube snake cunts want you to believe. CDPR partially made their name from great post-release support. EA is EA and gonna EA as long as people keep lining their pockets with mtx money.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
At least the figured out how to put numbers on the other opposite side of the screen.They indeed tried dozen of times to say they did were not copying Destiny except when they basically copied Destiny lol
EA was always clear they wanted their own Destiny and BioWare was clear about watching Destiny close.
Virt McPolygon
Banned
How many times are people going to drive-by post this lazy ass response featuring that punchable face?
On topic: Anthem was one turd that couldn't be polished. EA should've just flushed that shit away instead of wasting more resources trying to fix it.
Ammogeddon
Member
It wasn’t my intention to compare the two.
I’m just wondering if CDPR will have the intention, time and resources to fully achieve their original vision. At some point they’ll have to scale up development on their new games. And that means pulling staff from fixing and improving CP2077.
Anyway, back to Anthem....
Shifty1897
Member
Financially, it was the right decision. However, no one with a brain will trust anything out of Bioware again until reviews drop. It is what it is.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It sucks for sure. What a shitty situation. Who knows how many EA people were asked to stick around and fix Anthem, but there's no way it's all the same people. A small group was asked to basically fix the crap job the collective team did while the rest move on to different projects.
That's like being at work and there's a giant shitty spreadsheet 20 people had their hands in fucking around in the file. They bolt and you are asked to go through the file and fix their junky job.
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Magic Carpet
Member
I spent the time to download it off Gamepass. Flew around that very first part and it was nice. Then got to the home hub desuit walkaround part and kinda turned it off. Guess I can reclaim some SSD space on my Series S.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
So Bioware has officially launched 2 major failures in a row.
Why are they still being given control over valuable IPs like Mass Effect and Dragon Age?
I mean Maxis was killed off with only one failed game without being given much of a chance to fix SimCity 2013, but Bioware fails two games in row, probably losing hundreds of millions in the process, and they keep rolling..
Why are they still being given control over valuable IPs like Mass Effect and Dragon Age?
I mean Maxis was killed off with only one failed game without being given much of a chance to fix SimCity 2013, but Bioware fails two games in row, probably losing hundreds of millions in the process, and they keep rolling..
Memorabilia
Member
So, after taking $60-$80 out of peoples' pockets in exchange for a fundamentally unfinished and broken game...they (likely EA) ended development on a promised redesign to deliver the game they originally promised because they didn't see a way to maximize taking more money out of peoples' pockets? Got it.
Also, what makes this even worse is that Andromeda was essentially sacrificed for a game they eventually abandoned too.
This is just straight up laziness and greed. If a POS like No Man's Sky can be evolved into a competent experience by a tiny dev skeleton crew, it's mind boggling that a massive company like EA couldn't be bothered to throw the necessary resources behind this to fix it up and make it competent. The problem, of course, is that it may be that this game could only truly be excellent if it were completely re-designed (as it perhaps originally should've been) as a single player narrative driven game. The need to keep is as yet another GAAS game is probably why the disparate goals of Bioware and EA couldn't be reconciled here.
Also, what makes this even worse is that Andromeda was essentially sacrificed for a game they eventually abandoned too.
This is just straight up laziness and greed. If a POS like No Man's Sky can be evolved into a competent experience by a tiny dev skeleton crew, it's mind boggling that a massive company like EA couldn't be bothered to throw the necessary resources behind this to fix it up and make it competent. The problem, of course, is that it may be that this game could only truly be excellent if it were completely re-designed (as it perhaps originally should've been) as a single player narrative driven game. The need to keep is as yet another GAAS game is probably why the disparate goals of Bioware and EA couldn't be reconciled here.
harmny
Banned
Cdpr releases a super buggy game gives everyone a refund even people that finished the game gets pulled from the ps store because of that and everybody crucifies them. Their reputation is ruined
Bioware releases a horrible game they keep the money and run while promising to fix the game. years later they cancel it without fixing it. In the meantime they released andromeda that everybody hated and still people can't wait to buy mass effect remastered and dragon age 4.
Then you wonder why companies treat people like shit. Lol
Bioware releases a horrible game they keep the money and run while promising to fix the game. years later they cancel it without fixing it. In the meantime they released andromeda that everybody hated and still people can't wait to buy mass effect remastered and dragon age 4.
Then you wonder why companies treat people like shit. Lol
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Edgelord79
Gold Member
Too bad, I would have liked to see what the team would have come up with. I can't fault a company for trying to make something right after screwing up.
But I can blame them for not seeing it through especially after people have bought the product with a certain expectation.
Oh well.
But I can blame them for not seeing it through especially after people have bought the product with a certain expectation.
Oh well.
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Kamina
Golden Boy
Exactly
What makes E.A. think that DA4 will be better than the last two Bioware games?
BlackM1st
Banned
Shame. Customization, weapon feel, flying and core gameplay loop was awesome. Music and visuals too.
Story was terrible, characters were terrible, hub city was beyond terrible, enemies
were repetitive and pretty boring. Not as boring as humans, but still boring.
So eh, I'm sorry for the wasted potential, that's all.
Story was terrible, characters were terrible, hub city was beyond terrible, enemies
were repetitive and pretty boring. Not as boring as humans, but still boring.
So eh, I'm sorry for the wasted potential, that's all.
Fuz
Banned
BlackM1st
Banned
EA doesn't care about it being good or bad. Look at Dragon Age 2 lol. If people buying games from Bioware no matter what, EA will keep Bioware around.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I hate those Unilad social media posts for Anthem. I hate those early trailers even more. They made the game look like something it wasn’t. It was just a bunch of good looking graphics that added up to be nothing. Nothing outstanding came from Anthem. It was forgotten as fast as it was announced. Everyone was watching when it tried to show off in a trailer and everyone watched as it failed to live up to everyone’s expectations. If DA4 isn’t good then I’m never owning another one of their products. Classic BioWare will be the only BioWare that I trust.
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Elder Legend
Banned
Man this is quite sad. I've played this game with a Bioware dev himself who was responsible for the UI elements back in December 2018 when it was in a private technical alpha. The combat, flying and visuals were super solid and very well done. Then came the game with very little content, meaningless loot system that felt very lackluster and then they started releasing updates here and that that improved the game here and there but it was still missing that one piece that made the overall gameplay loop and loot system satisfying.
Very unfortunate, this game had incredible potential. But due to its poor management from both EA and Bioware the game failed miserably and wasn't handled with care as if it was being made by a bunch of clueless college kids who just started getting their feet wet in game development. What a joke.
I am not really surprised by this and they got what they deserved as it pains me to say this because I really wanted and cared for this game to be good, but oh well. Time to move on, hopefully tomorrow's Outriders demo can shine some bright light among 3rd person looter shooters.
Very unfortunate, this game had incredible potential. But due to its poor management from both EA and Bioware the game failed miserably and wasn't handled with care as if it was being made by a bunch of clueless college kids who just started getting their feet wet in game development. What a joke.
I am not really surprised by this and they got what they deserved as it pains me to say this because I really wanted and cared for this game to be good, but oh well. Time to move on, hopefully tomorrow's Outriders demo can shine some bright light among 3rd person looter shooters.
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michaelius
Banned
That's not what happened here. They were milking userbase as long as it was profitable and once it stopped they put the game on life support.
Memorabilia
Member
After a bit more thought, one other thing just occurred to me...if they've had a crew working on this, tinkering for over a year, why the fuck not release at least one more patch to integrate some or all of the presumed improvements? How in the hell did they tinker for 12+ months and have absolutely nothing to show for it?
Bonfires Down
Member
That's unfortunate, I was interested in trying the reboot. I'll probably still buy the game sometime.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
At least they can make cancellation decisions on time I guess.
BlackM1st
Banned
Avengers game felt dead before it was even released. Anthem lived for some time and had at least 1 semi big update xD which is even more humiliating when you compare the IP involved. Anthem IP was a 0 before its announcement, while Avengers name had all the hype in the world.
wipeout364
Member
If they are going to go on with the IP they would be better off just going ahead with Anthem 2. I think the sequel in the right hands could be excellent but I don't think there will is a lot of nostalgia for the IP though so they would be better off focusing on mass effect.
BlackM1st
Banned
Yeah, I'm down if they will leave all the wokeness in the Andromeda galaxy and bring Colossus power armor to ME. Could be fun...
Bit_Reactor
Member
I mean if that's the case we have to basically take THE most negative read of the events and see the posts about "we're working on these features" as purely fluff pieces, which is even more insidious and worse from Bioware than it is from EA.
Either way Bioware put out a shit product and then failed to support it even after being given time and supposedly resources to fix it.
King_Mandu
Banned
The same mooks bitch about Madden, FIFA, COD, Battlefield, etc year after year yet still continue to buy those games in record numbers. Addiction is a bitch.
King_Mandu
Banned
Wokeness? What incel Youtuber video did you watch to come to that conclusion? I guess a couple of gays and a black dude is "woke" now...you know, just like the trilogy.