Calverz
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Sony Buys EVO
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Life
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Pure ignorance is not excused with "this is a forum"
Calverz
Gold Member
Pure ignorance? Hahaha wtf are you on about? Just because you cant handle a difference of opinion. Not the forum for you bud. I was wanting the guy to explain his thoughts to what a lot of people are thinking and asking.
Life
Member
Pure ignorance? Hahaha wtf are you on about? Just because you cant handle a difference of opinion. Not the forum for you bud. I was wanting the guy to explain his thoughts to what a lot of people are thinking and asking.
Oh OK - so talking out of your ass is now just "my opinion". Great. Keep it up.
kyoji
Member
This wasnt some overnite move, theyve been heavily involved with the scene for a bit now. i asked calverz about the smash.gg acquisation from ms a few posts up. will they announce a 25% stake in taco bell next week? just stop man lol.
Rather you like it or not just as someone else mentioned maybe you arent the target audience and thats OK, thats the beauty of gaming its big and luckily sony has been very versatile in its dealings up until this point.
LazyParrot
Member
Everyday people don't have to care. Championship events for games like League of Legends regularly pull in more viewers than the Superbowl, no normies required.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
People shouldn't be comparing it to Microsoft.
This move was made to expand the fighting game community to the casual audience. Despite Smash and Mortal Kombat being among the best selling video games, the fighting game community is very niche. Sony is capable of doing a lot more to expand the audience and invest more into the FGC. Having bigger prize pool will bring in more more competitors. EVO was featured on ESPN a few years back and maybe with Sony's backing, they can have it featured more to a national audience.
Faithless83
Banned
That's a nice thing for the FGC.
More coverage, bigger prizes and who knows, more exclusive partnerships like SF5.
Sorry casuals, nothing to see here.
More coverage, bigger prizes and who knows, more exclusive partnerships like SF5.
Sorry casuals, nothing to see here.
Papacheeks
Banned
Only someone small minded would say or post a gif like this....and here is the visual presentation of this purchase.
Nice to know my ignore list will grow.
iJudged
Banned
don't be butthurt, warrior...bellow is a visual of what I think about your precious ignore list.
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Concern
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I'm nobody
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What is thus guy on about , ihas Sony got bluepoint ???
93xfan
Banned
Don’t forget SmashBros. It’s also going to be a Sony exclusive now
hey calm down and breath ...)
LazyParrot
Member
I really doubt this is going to be a problem for them. Very few people outside the FGC even know about this, and the ones that do are aware that it was a single person who promptly got fired. If anything, this probably gave Sony more bargaining power.
Papacheeks
Banned
don't be butthurt, warrior...bellow is a visual of what I think about your precious ignore list.
Not a warrior just someone who understands what this purchase means and you obviously do not.
Life
Member
I was actually very calm writing that post. I'm just annoyed at people who don't care about fighting games saying things like "but this doesn't even matter to me.. I hardly play fighting games.."
Like everything should only be about them and their preferences just because they own a Sony console.
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I have felt the same and still wonder why people care. To me this is a waste. But I've learned something the past couple years, all of which stems from having kids. The pros and competition lead to streams, and the kids love the streams. This is a new kind of marketing that doesn't really target those of us who played before online play hit consoles. The marketing people still value us for TV commercials, but they are focused mainly on the younger folks for this kind of thing.
Kerotan
Member
Who said I'm a non share holder? I'm both a fan and a shareholder. Obviously you just justified why I'm interested as one but as a fan it's no different to supporting a football team. They bring you joy so you want them to succeed so you wish them well to keep bringing you joy.
PlayStation has been incredibly fun for me since I was a kid. Why wouldn't I want them to succeed? Your mentality is weird.
turtlepowa
Banned
I had to laugh, thanks for this and have a nice weekend.
have no idea of what? that the game with most entrants isn't even there this year? lol
nobody gives a shit about the event, you overestimate its importance.
Derktron
Banned
Shh it was a sarcastic statement but yeah I could Capcom being bought up. But then again platinum games being bought by Nintendo as they have a close relationship.
kyoji
Member
sure
Grumpy Toe Nail
Banned
So what, they bought this company so they can force them to use Sony versions in tournaments? Sony is trying to corner the fighting market by curbing the esports scene on other consoles. This is a monopoly play on a genre of games people.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Weren't pretty much all the games at EVO with the exception of KI and Smash played on PS consoles anyways?
yyyyup with ASUS 27" monitors. Because it was the best response time and the PS consoles were the most favored with fighting games.
SlimeGooGoo
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kyoji
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tastysteve is on point in the 1st video with everything he said
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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They purchased it either back in January or February IIRC, there were some articles about it at the time. You should be able to Google it rather easily.
This past gen yeah. But 7th gen 360 was the dominant console for events. Before that? Arcade machines.
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Rhazer Fusion
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Oops. My bad. I thought you were talking about Smash Bros by Nintendo for some reason.
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yurinka
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Max was wrong, same goes with the 'Ono was demoted multiple times'. One of the previous times he was supposed to be demoted, according to them Ono was also supposed to be kicked out of Street Fighter while he still continued for years as executive producer of the games, head of the Capcom fighting games, in charge of setting up Capcom's eSports and SF PR key person in interviews or events.
The thing is that there is a Capcom IR page where they show changes in roles or duties for executives and some of these 'insiders' misundertand what is explained there and always said 'hey Ono was demoted'. Example: Ono had a duty that was to create the eSports division, once the division was created his role was done there so they removed that duty.
They changed the job role naming of the CEO of the Capcom USA subsidiary in charge of merch licensing and eSports for USA to reflect her new position inside this new division and same for the guy who handled the Capcom eSports in Japan even if they would continue doing the same job they did before the division was created. Some idiot turned it into "Ono has been demoted and has been replaced by a well known female in the eSports scene as SF6 director" and many people believed him because liked to throw shit to Ono or SF. When she wasn't replacing Ono, it wasn't related to SF6 at all, Ono wasn't working as director and this woman doesn't even work in Japan and isn't related to game development at all: she runs a USA specific subsidiary to license Capcom IPs and eSports.
Same goes when they merged two Capcom Japan R&D divisions, the one known for the fighting games and the one known for Monster Hunter. If you go to check the game credits of Capcom games of the last generations, you'll see there that their different divisions already share staff. Like 100 devs who worked at SFV also worked at DMCV, RE7, RE2, MHW and so on. These divisions were already working together, so to merge them would reduce paperwork and would make it more productive. Ono already had many other duties in addition to executive producing Capcom's fighting games and managing that division, and was going to start a new big one of creating the eSports divisions and to start setting the big Capcom eSports plans. The manager of the other division instead had less duties and had a higher job rank in the company so he became the manager of the merged division instead of Ono.
Some idiot saw the job title/job duties change on that page and said 'Ono has been demoted and kicked out of Street Fighter, now the Monster Hunter guy will be in charge of Street Fighter' and again many people believed him, while in reality Ono continued doing his same job as SFV executive producer and other Capcom Fighting games, guy in charge of the SF series, guy in charge of the eSports and so on. Capcom even recognized Ono's work in their Capcom yearly report cover story highlighting his work with eSports and the SFV comeback, setting this above MHW achieving the 'best selling Capcom game ever' milestone.
Ono or other Capcom people mentioned even since launch that they planned to support SFV 'until at least 2020' but that it would depend on performance/player support and that they would like to support SFV series as long as they supported SFIV series. Several times. Around a year and a half Ono in SFV Q&A panels at EGX or Brazil Game Show (remember, Ono according to the idiots was demoted and kicked out from SF) said they will continue supporting SFV for as long as they supported SFIV series, that still had many things on store for SFV -as it was SFVCE, more characters, costumes and stages, new mechanic, etc- and that they wouldn't release SF6 before being done with SF5. He also mentioned that before designing the next SF (SF6) they wanted to see PS5 and the first next gen games in the market to see how they could take advantage of the new technologies and features to take advantage of them in fighting games, said that as they did before wanted to take their time after the console release and didn't want to rush SF6 in order to don't repeat the issues they had at SFV launch.
So if you count a couple of years of full production since PS5 launch you get a potential late 2022 SF6 release. The time elapsed between PS3 and SFIV releases are the same time elapse between PS4 and SFV releases. If you add that time to the PS5 release you get a potential release on Q1 2023. If you add to the SFV release the amount of time elapsed between SFIV and SFV releases, you get a potential SF6 release in Q1 2023.
Guess what, the leaked Capcom document with their future roadmap mentioned SF6 estimated release for Q4 2022. Delays are very common in game development, so consider it may be delayed to 2023 specially with covid. So matches perfectly Ono's words made years before, some from 2019 and other ones back to 2015/2016 when the game was announced or released.
That leaked document was from before that fake 'Ono was demoted again, replaced from SF6 direction, the game was planned for 2021 but has been delayed because they didn't like etc' rumor. The whole SFVI is planned to 2021 thing doesn't have any real insider info, it comes from some fan's assumption that many people made from a Capcom Cup 2020 rule change, where the winner wouldn't clasify to 2021 and they thought it meant SF6 was going to be released in 2021 (even if that would be contrary to all publicly mentioned Capcom plans for SFV and SF6) because in the only Capcom Cup were the winner wasn't clasified to the next year edition was the year they jumped from SFIV series to SFV. But in reality, Capcom changed several other Capcom Pro Tour and Capcom Cup rules, and did it multiple times this year and the previous ones. In fact, they changed them again a few days ago.
But for some reason for the idiots this rule was like some kind of sacred thing that even if Capcom changed all the other Capcom Pro Tour and Capcom Cup rules and stated multiple times that they will continue supporting SFV for years before releasing SF6, the rule must continue as a sacred thing there and that if the winner wouldn't clasify it must be because that year they release the game because the sacred religious dogma says so. When the reality was that it was a random rule change as the many other ones they made this and the other years and never had planned SF6 for 2021.
Regarding 'Capcom vs SNK director', I assume he was just mentioning his fan wishes. I'd love to see him directing SF6 but it won't happen. I think he meant Hideaki Itsuno, CvS2 director (the first one didn't have 'director', had producers who aren't at Capcom and its main game designer was Itsuno). Itsuno recently directed Devil May Cry 5 and DMC5 Special Edition, and his next game very likely will be Dragon's Dogma 2, scheduled in the Capcom leak for Q2 FY2022 (Jul-Sep 2022) and a project that he mentioned many times he wants to do (he also directed Dragon's Dogma).
I think the SF6 team would be pretty likely the same as the current SFV team. When Ono said they weren't going to move to SF6 until done with SF5, sounds like the team would be the same (so the game would be developed in addition of some months without SFV content before SF6, the last content of SF5 would be done by a part of its team while the other would be developing SF6 on a paralel track. There are a few leaked SF6 related Capcom emails, and they are between game art outsourcing companies who already worked with them for SFV (Streamline Studios or Ningbo Xiji Animation Digital Game), a 3 Capcom people being one of the 3 Assistant Manager that SFV had.
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Reality Czar
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Love all the armchair corporate executives who can't understand why a company would buy another company if it doesn't have an IP attached.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Lol no way; Nintendo'd have lost their minds to ever sell the Smash Bros. IP to anybody.Oops. My bad. I thought you were talking about Smash Bros by Nintendo for some reason.
On-topic, I can see that another reason Sony's made this move is because, it could act as a way of associating themselves more strongly with a MP-based gaming community where a lot of recurring revenue exists. Using EVO as a means to fostering even stronger ties with certain fighting game developers so more of that community gravitate to PlayStation as their hub and sales of that content is retained more in the PS ecosystem. So even if the games are multiplat (including on PC), people for these games may prioritize PS.
That's going to be important for Sony going forward; they do need to solidify association with a scene that isn't just single-player, story-driven gaming content. Not saying they aren't already associated with fighting games, but this is a good step to solidify that especially as fighting game devs venture into providing their content on more non-PS platforms like PC and Xbox (for many who were PS-only last generation). If in some instance viewership and financial gains from eSports really blows up, Sony can leverage these relationships and try getting some platform-exclusive fighter done.
Whether that's through locking down console exclusivity for a fighter that'd otherwise be multiplat (not the best decision) or building a new fighter uniquely tuned for the scene that they can have full IP ownership over (better option, considering Sony also have a lot of dormant IP that could be used in say a Smash-style fighter with a proper developer on it like Capcom or Namco), fun possibilities in any case.
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kyoji
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with all do respect evo is not about leveraging exclusive fighters for themselves they can do that without evo and have done so, all your major 3rd party fighting game publishers have long standing good relationships in place already with sony. EVO is a community outlet a gate way into other venues for fighting game players. But yes ofc they will gain alot out of it, otherwise they wouldnt invest it it. this was the natural progression for them if you follow anything fighting related in the last several years, it shouldnt be a suprise.
93xfan
Banned
Never heard of it
Rat Rage
Member
Here is the solution: forget EVO and create an independant "back to the roots" EVO successor through a joint venture of all FGC members. Just collect money, set up a fundraiser or whatnot and create something 100% owned by the community. Viewership and sponsors will eventually come and it will be a massive success. Independance and creative freedom - that's what the FGC viewers want. That's what makes these events fun to watch.