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[Athreous]

Their prices are extremelly high right now with all this Crypto currency race... (even I started minering last night lol, when my PC is idle...).

Some cards are twice or even 3x it's msrp, and in a lot of places, they are all soldout... Also, PS5s and Xbox series X are really hard to find, they are soldout here since the first week of their release.

I'm worried that with more and more people and giant groups minering coins, gaming might end up being an expensive hobbie, if you need new consoles or better hardware for your PC...

What's your opinion, GAF?

PS. Mod, please, it's "from graphic cards", isnt it? Sorry about my english >_<, do you mind fixing it? ty!

 

[lh032]

Graphic cards is an overpriced piece of hardware imo, way too expensive.

 

[BusierDonkey]

Until something becomes better enough at crypto mining that the graphics cards aren't worth it, then things might go back to normal but I'm not holding my breath. I don't expect the market will return to normal anytime soon. I was hoping to replace my 2080ti when the 40 series lands, but Im not sure when that will be or how the market will look at that point.

 

[Rathalos]

I managed to buy a 3080 for £660, and because GPUs are so hard to get I was able to sell my GTX 1080 for £410. It took over a month of being glued to Discord bots but it was well worth it.

 

[Graciaus]

I would expect to not be able to buy one at a reasonable price easily for a long time. Of course right when I want to build a new computer this happens. 1080p will unfortunately have to do.

 

[MetalRain]

Bitcoin price hike was quite abrupt, +600% in past 6 months, it'll take some time that non-GPU miners will catch up and make GPUs again not that profitable for mining. I'd expect that in late 2021 GPU prices start to normalize and by summer 2022 they are close to normal levels.

 

[abel empire]

Just expect more teraflops and bandwidth but less ram and expensive gpus, higher framerates better lighting solid 4k is the new 1080p but similar looking games because 8-12gb gpus will be the norm. Unless they change the pc architecture which in my opinion is old and plagued by corrupt monopolies nothing will change.

Video game developers have been crying for a change in pc architecture for years and recently it was about the cry about io, ssds and storage being plagued by old school pc architecture! As for me ive always wanted a new architecture where i can purchase and install more vram on my pc not just system ram. Cause gpu manufacturers are doing a fraud business where they control how much ram people can have and with what gpu, i want a fresh architecture where i can purchase a gpu silicon the same way i purchase a cpu and install it on a gpu socket on the motherboard and install my vram on the mother board aswell... and i think its innevitable one way or another a revolution in pc architecture design is coming, theyve controlled us for far too long now. If it wasnt for the stupid corrupt business methods they use well already have faster computers better looking games and fast richer economies.

 

[Liar]

Waste of money.

 

[tusharngf]

we can see 60-90 teraflop level GPU's next on 5nm. This much is given if they keep the same level of architecture. NVidia already closed to 40 teraflop mark with 3090 OC. If they double the performance with lovelace that will be 70-80 TF mark. RDNA 3 will be multichip as rumor says. One thing is certain that they will be expensive.

 

[bbeach123]

I expected ps5/series X GPU equivalent bracket stay at least 400-500$ for the next 3 years .

 

[Soodanim]

we can see 60-90 teraflop level GPU's next on 5nm. This much is given if they keep the same level of architecture. NVidia already closed to 40 teraflop mark with 3090 OC. If they double the performance with lovelace that will be 70-80 TF mark. RDNA 3 will be multichip as rumor says. One thing is certain that they will be expensive.

You might be a bit too optimistic. When has a GPU generation ever doubled anything?

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I think it’s important to remember that things will change in a post-lockdown world. More people will be there to increase supply, which will help meet and therefore reduce demand. I’m not saying it will go back to normal, but it won’t be like this forever. I wonder if rising concerns over the power draw of crypto mining will affect anything in future, too, but that seems like a way off and hard to dissuade from, because it’s passive income. After the initial investment you don’t really need to do anything, as far as I understand it.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

With the used videocards prices being so high, buying your first video card is like getting in the house market for the first time.

 

[deriks]

They will get more expensive

 

[Dream-Knife]

Just expect more teraflops and bandwidth but less ram and expensive gpus, higher framerates better lighting solid 4k is the new 1080p but similar looking games because 8-12gb gpus will be the norm. Unless they change the pc architecture which in my opinion is old and plagued by corrupt monopolies nothing will change.

Video game developers have been crying for a change in pc architecture for years and recently it was about the cry about io, ssds and storage being plagued by old school pc architecture! As for me ive always wanted a new architecture where i can purchase and install more vram on my pc not just system ram. Cause gpu manufacturers are doing a fraud business where they control how much ram people can have and with what gpu, i want a fresh architecture where i can purchase a gpu silicon the same way i purchase a cpu and install it on a gpu socket on the motherboard and install my vram on the mother board aswell... and i think its innevitable one way or another a revolution in pc architecture design is coming, theyve controlled us for far too long now. If it wasnt for the stupid corrupt business methods they use well already have faster computers better looking games and fast richer economies.

Unfortunately corporations have more control not less now.

They've aligned themselves politically with the left, ensuring that there won't be any effective anti-corporate movements.

Expect monopolies such as Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google, etc to only get bigger and worse.

 

[Lupin3]

The only thing I know for sure is that I will be sticking to my 2070 for a pretty long time, as things are now at least. It's good enough for what I play. It's definitely not worth it now that 3070 cards are closer to $1000 where I live. Fuck right off with that! Even considering going down to 1080p instead of sticking with the power hungry 1440p, then my card would last even longer.

Fuck these fucking prices and availafuckingbility issues.

And thank god for Switch.

 

[abel empire]

Unfortunately corporations have more control not less now.

They've aligned themselves politically with the left, ensuring that there won't be any effective anti-corporate movements.

Expect monopolies such as Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google, etc to only get bigger and worse.

Those monopolies are slowly crashing just as capitalism itself. You cant suffocate people for so long and dont expect a backlash.

 

[skneogaf]

Pc gaming will start to decline if graphics cards are unattainable.

The post about a different way of doing things is interesting so something like a motherboard having two sockets with one being for the cpu and one for the gpu. That would definitely help with the current situation although I'd imagine the ram to gpu communication speed would be an issue.

 

[JimboJones]

GPU especially fucked for at least another year, silicon shortage, more people than ever upgrading PCs, bitcoin and manufacturer pipelines at every step at over capacity. It was a perfect storm of fuckery.

 

[lukilladog]

My opinion?. Fuck Nvidia and AMD. I´ve been retro gaming for like 2 years now.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Expect them to be unaffordable. Intel is our last hope to reset the GPU market.

With Raja Koduri at the helm I have absolutely zero faith that will happen.

 

[nightmare-slain]

i don't have any faith they will become more obtainable any time soon (could be years) and if they are then they will be expensive as shit.

when my current card starts to struggle or dies then i'm done with PC gaming. will get myself a console and move back to Mac.

 

[RoboFu]

It’s not just crypto mining all cpu manufacturing is way behind. At some point that will level out.

 

[GHG]

The only thing I know for sure is that I will be sticking to my 2070 for a pretty long time, as things are now at least. It's good enough for what I play. It's definitely not worth it now that 3070 cards are closer to $1000 where I live. Fuck right off with that! Even considering going down to 1080p instead of sticking with the power hungry 1440p, then my card would last even longer.

Fuck these fucking prices and availafuckingbility issues.

And thank god for Switch.

Yep got my 2070 super mid last year and everyone told me it was a terrible decision due to the 3xxx series being right round the corner... So much for that. Couldn't have timed my purchase better. If I could do it again I would have just got a 2080ti, I only got the 2070s with the intention of keeping it for 6 months max before trading it in.

Given up thinking about a new GPU until the 4xxx series now, my 2070S is serving me well.

 

[Damigos]

I spent 2k on a new pc and monitor 3 years ago and cant even play wow on 1440p60 with everything on.
Specs are 980ti, ssd m1, 16 gb ram ddr4.
Its actually offending that my pc is out of date and a meme that is has become so expensive.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Was on a day 1 order with OCUK for a 3080 within the first hour they went live in the UK and they ended up screwing me and many others for 3 months solid while they were sitting on all of our money so ended up picking up refunding it and just got a 3090 at MSRP with Scan in December.

Pretty wild bit of kit and I clearly need a CPU upgrade to take advantage of this thing. since then I've been watching the prices sky rocket.

I spent 2k on a new pc and monitor 3 years ago and cant even play wow on 1440p60 with everything on.
Specs are 980ti, ssd m1, 16 gb ram ddr4.
Its actually offending that my pc is out of date and a meme that is has become so expensive.

That's a little mental. WOW is a game from 2005 or something. The 980Ti is still pretty decent on last gen and older stuff.

 

[longdi]

i hope my 1080ti dont die soon.
Every tech items are going up in prices, not just gpu. Ram, lcd panels, network switches, webcams.

inflation thanks to money printers.

 

[rofif]

I spent 2k on a new pc and monitor 3 years ago and cant even play wow on 1440p60 with everything on.
Specs are 980ti, ssd m1, 16 gb ram ddr4.
Its actually offending that my pc is out of date and a meme that is has become so expensive.

byt hey! YOu can gEt xbAWxs seriSEXSS pc for 500 dollars !!!!
Sersiously, prices were fucing crazy before all of this. Rtx 3080 for 700... and that was gpu alone. Now it's 1500. The cost of whole pc can easily come up to 4-5k nowadays... and it was already 2-3k before. fuck that

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Things are crazy now but it might take a couple years for things to calm down.

But top end graphics cards will be very expensive from now on.

 

[Kenpachii]

Unless mining dies out, get ready for some serious GPU price hikes with the next series.

 

[GHG]

Unless mining dies out, get ready for some serious GPU price hikes with the next series.

It won't, there are more coins to mine now than ever.

The only thing that can be done is GPU manufacturers restricting gaming cards to just being gaming cards and then selling limited quantities of cards that can also be used for mining.

 

[hlm666]

Nvidia has copped flack for not making enough gpu's but they must be putting out reasonable numbers.

The 3080 is above the 2080ti on the steam survey and just behind the 2080 and it's been out for less than a quarter of the duration of those cards. The 3070 is just behind the 1080ti. AMDs gpu production looks abysmal though, they havn't sold enough to register outside the other category by the looks.

So you should see availability improve over the next 4 months because people are managing to get some, I wouldn't expect prices to start to normalise down until next year though.

 

[Armorian]

Waste of money.

With mining my 3070 will pay for itself in next 3 months. I wish I did this since november... (started in february)

Mining will die at some point but it's and interesting concept, getting money just by leaving your computer on all the time (and my GPU consumes ~120W).

 

[Athreous]

Yeah, but at least right now, I don't see the prices getting low =(

 

[adamosmaki]

Best case scenario? Intel actually makes a decent GPU with high availability and maybe that will also drive AMD and Nvidia Gpu prices down. Worst case we are looking another 2 years of shortages and high demand

 

[PhillMeCream]

Just sold my 2080ti for $1100, can easily get another card easily

 

[WorldHero]

I was exploring getting a 3080 or 3090 but I actually had better luck getting my PS5 and Series X. I can't bring myself to pay these hiked up prices right now.

 

[Rival]

I’m cool waiting another 1-2 years to build a new pc. Happy with the performance of my series x and ps5 for now. I built my last pc in 2015 and have a 1080. Now if I happened to stumble upon a 3080 at normal msrp I’d burild a new pc now and sell my 1080 for a good amount but I’m not actively trying. Next round of graphics cards will comfortably take me through this gen.

 

[nemiroff]

Have a Asus 3080 incoming and gonna sell it double price immediately and buy a Herman Miller Aeron chair instead. My 1080 is fine for another year. Have a XSX as well, so fuck the gpu situation.

 

[Elektro Demon]

Well, every bubble has bursted so far. Even the first crypto mining bubble bursted. So I expect this to happen to the current one as well. When that happens, and I hope it happens fast, the prices and availability will return to normal.

 

[Umbasaborne]

I expect that the pc gaming market wont see much growth until gpu manufacturers find a way to prevent their use in crypto mining. We might see some impatient pc users even turn to console gaming

 

[Celcius]

If this continues through all of 2021 and 2022 then it's going to hurt PC gaming going forward. Even when people stop mining and the pandemic ends, companies know they can charge whatever and people will pay.

 

[TrebleShot]

excessive FPS and resolutions at 4K plus and that’s pretty much it. Not worth the money or hastle.
I’m sure they can run rings around the current gen consoles but who cares when games look amazing on them and will only get better and mostly run at 60fps and in some cases 120fps.

If that’s what your into and you have the cash though then fair play.

 

[kiphalfton]

After going through something like this (i.e. 2017 mining craze and now) it makes me worried what Nvidia thinks they can get away with, pricing wise, as they're obviously paying attention.

I don't think it's any small coincidence, that after the 2017 mining craze Nvidia went crazy with their pricing on Turing. Way too convenient. And yet people still paid the premium for that crap. So I wouldn't doubt it if the RTX 4000 series (or whatever the direct successor to Ampere will be) is $500 for the 60 series, $700 for the 70 series, and $900 for the 80 series. They'll probably bump up the amount of VRAM, and pretend like that's what attributes to the higher price.

 

[tillbot8]

Diminishing returns tbh!

 

[grfunkulus]

Unfortunately corporations have more control not less now.

They've aligned themselves politically with the left, ensuring that there won't be any effective anti-corporate movements.

Expect monopolies such as Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google, etc to only get bigger and worse.

You're confusing liberal with left. Real progressives are actually populist. Bernie v Bezos? Not ringing any bells? Guess you're not paying attention, if I'm being charitable. The old GOP is just as much in the corporate pocket as the Dems. The far right is optically populist but really just fascist. See one of Tucker's recent shows where his guest literally says the right will have no choice but to run a fascist if things keep going the way they're going. He gets ZERO pushback from Tucker. This actually happened. Nice try at gaslighting/both-sidesing though

 

[Rikkori]

Expect higher prices.

x90 = $2000+
x80 = $1000+
x70 = $750+
etc

The <$500 market will be given table scraps not worth much, just like we see with the 3060 atm, and the RX 480-tier for so many years now. Pretty much don't expect things to get better for the next 3 years. Anyone on a budget will basically be consigned to APUs or play the second hand market roulette for a mining card that's not completely trashed.

MSRP is just marketing bullshit. From top UK hw shop (ocuk):

All prices went up again this month from all partners on both NVIDIA and AMD, unfortunately its not an April fools. So even if they did come down end of this year they would no doubt only come down to what they are now, prices are gonna keep increasing in short term.

A Powercolor 6700 XT now cost me $575 plus VAT to buy direct from the manufacturer, a card which less than a month ago launched with a one hour MSRP price of £419.99 which even then we only broke even on, and now we lose big time on, hence why MSRP's are totally missing leading.

 

[dcx4610]

Mining has affected pricing but it's mostly been COVID-19 and demand. A lot of people are working/stuck at home and want desktops, laptops, components and video game consoles. All of my local mom & pop video stores can't keep ANY video game system in stock. Before C19, they'd have stacks of systems. Now, they can't keep anything more than day. People will come in, ask what they have and if they have anything, even if it's an Atari 2600, people buy it just to have something to do.

Same with computers. People just want entertainment or need computers to work. Things probably won't get better for another year or two pricing wise.

 

[Zeroing]

Let's not forget that due to the pandemic, there is a shortage of components for hardware. I assume prices will go up.

 

[Irobot82]

My opinion?. Fuck Nvidia and AMD. I´ve been retro gaming for like 2 years now.

Ever since Cyberpunk was a giant fucking turd of unfulfilled promises. I decided to go back and redo all the classic RPG's.

Working on BG1, then BG2. May run FO1 and 2 then Icewind Dale. I can wait another year.

 

[triplestation]

things will work themselves out in time

if vidya devs want to release next level shit, they will want a lot of people to buy of course not just the handful of jabronies that have the latest cards

and if video cards aren't available for a lot of people then that's gg for devs, which i don't think will be the case at all

right now, aside from the 3000 series there are a lot of perfectly capable cards

if you ask me when the 6000 series releases, people will have ready access to 3000 or 4000 cards which would be beast enough for next level vidya titles