What new good games remaster is not new. Cross generation don't count around these parts I been told all summer. So all stars and a tech demo? Both consoles had shit starts and won't be until next year get going for both. Hell I think what ratchet will be the first big first party next generation game only for either. Sony ended great but one or 2 of those games should of been ps5 games.
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At this point how can anyone underestimate or deny Microsoft/Xbox?
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Menzies
Banned
Sup Dude.
Just wanted to touch on your point about Bethesda. I don't doubt that for many people loyal to a single console, that this was seen as "an asshole move".
Just wondering if the following points have been considered; -
1. It was reported that Bethesda were looking to sell. This would mean there was a potential for their games to be locked away to Stadia or Luna. Was that preferable?
2. Microsoft's strategy makes their future games pretty broadly available, and for a low entry price. They are not forcing you to buy an Xbox.
3. What is the acceptable strategy from the community for Microsoft to improve their position? They can't buy timed exclusivity, they can't buy studios, they can't buy publishers. What are you allowing them to do?
You're right about it's just business. I'm sure for people that only play Xbox, that they'd likely have an axe to grind about Final Fantasy, Sunset Overdrive 2 and future Bethesda titles Deathloop and Ghostwire. The point being, that they're all just as guilty as each other of trying to improve their appeal by locking away content.
I hope you enjoy your future Xbox.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Buying Bethesda makes a ton of sense because of the IPs involved, and studios like Idtech and Machinegames are a great get. Business wise, what's there to say? It does continue MS's strategy of mostly buying IP that they didn't create themselves though, which no matter how much you spin it, does mean something. What sucks about the Bethesda deal is that they have acquired IP that was never "Xbox", like Doom, Elder Scrolls, Wolfenstein, Fallout... These weren't "Xbox games", these were PC games that came to consoles and found big success in both Xbox and Playstation. Minecraft is another one.
If Xbox fans are excited because now Playstation gamers won't be able to play the next sequels in those franchises, fair enough, but you aren't actually getting something you didn't have before. MS owning these IPs wasn't a requisite to launch them on gamepass day 1 either. What's actually being celebrated here?
But fair enough, and business of this kind will keep happening. Bigger mergers will happen in the future, much bigger in fact, much bigger acquisitions too. And the "winners" of today will be the "losers" of tomorrow. And you just know that if Sony went out there and bought a Capcom or a Square Enix, we would have fanboy twitter and english media kick up a shit storm about "anti competitive, anti consumer" practices.
If Xbox fans are excited because now Playstation gamers won't be able to play the next sequels in those franchises, fair enough, but you aren't actually getting something you didn't have before. MS owning these IPs wasn't a requisite to launch them on gamepass day 1 either. What's actually being celebrated here?
But fair enough, and business of this kind will keep happening. Bigger mergers will happen in the future, much bigger in fact, much bigger acquisitions too. And the "winners" of today will be the "losers" of tomorrow. And you just know that if Sony went out there and bought a Capcom or a Square Enix, we would have fanboy twitter and english media kick up a shit storm about "anti competitive, anti consumer" practices.
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So I bought an XB1 Day one in 2013 and besides the first year, the exclusive games line up was non existant . Every year before E3 they'd talk about how "it's all about the games this year".
I'd always end up disappointed. Even poor Conker only got a bad DLC quest in a poorly made game creation tool.
Titanfall, Killer Instinct, and Sunset Overdrive were all great. The problem was they were all released in 2013/2014.
Between that and the new console in 2020 you had just Forza, Gears, and Halo.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Well, some people always will, but those are extreme console warriors who are a very small minority of even the hardcore gaming audience, let alone gamers as a whole. I do admit the 2015-2017 period looked REALLY rough for them and seeing not only Scalebound (which I always liked, not just hipster-liked after cancellation like a bunch of others) but the Phantom Dust remake also getting canned did some heavy damage. Games like Recore and Crackdown 3 coming out in the states they did also did the brand no favors.
Now, they still have some things to prove when it comes to 1P output being a consistent high quality outside of the Forza games, so that means making sure to innovate with Gears and continue upward from 5, that means making sure Halo Infinite is an unquestionable success in both the SP and MP. But it also means making sure their 1P efforts for diversification are successful; Everwild, the new PD, etc. It means making sure Bethesda (and I do specifically mean Bethesda; other Zenimax studios like Arkane and iD have always been great consistently) quality is spot-on at release for Starfield, etc.
I love what they are doing with GamePass and that's definitely one of the main reasons I'm going to be getting a Series X (hopefully by the holidays, that's when supply should be more regular). Many of their 3P timed and console exclusives, especially games like Scorn, Exo-Mecha, Bright Memory Infinite and The Ascent, satisfy my "let's just have fun", non-pretentious sci-fi itch just fine going by what we've seen so far, and I think for titles of that style Series X is going to be the preferred go-to system. And while it still needs some improving, their Japanese support has increased significantly from the barely-there presence of XBO. I just hope Microsoft get some stuff cooking with getting more Japanese fighting games day-and-date, or even partner up with someone like SEGA to make a new fighter using Microsoft characters (just as an idea).
So in some ways yeah, Microsoft still have something to prove particularly in terms of a single-player, cinematic, story-driven third-person action/adventure title (although personally I don't care too much for this as something MS needs to "prove"; they can bring that same time of production value to genres I think suite a niche more uniquely them, like RTS, simulators (FS 2020) and FPS games...all of which lend themselves well to MP gaming as well, something Microsoft excels in compared to Sony and Nintendo). But they have already proven a lot with designing Series X and S and keeping their messaging on-point, and being strategic with GamePass growth.
That's an incredible combination that's overall pretty much as enticing as what Sony is offering this generation, IMHO.
In some ways people like that make the weirdest arguments. They want to create a no-win scenario for a brand because maybe they never wanted the brand to improve in the first place despite sentiments expressed earlier. I have no issues with companies leveraging their financial assets to compete because this is what ALL gaming companies have done since the beginning of the industry!
It used to be a joke that Xbox was not privy to the larger company's financial might, treated as an isolated bubble within Microsoft. Which was true. So these same people, times in the past saying Xbox should compete more, highlighting that Microsoft as a whole was isolating the division (and even wanted to shut it down at some point only a few years ago)...what did they think was going to happen if Microsoft took the Xbox division a bit more seriously?
Very weird; these are the same people that want to champion capitalism in some instances but then make exceptions for companies that are much more successful (going by their revenues, profits, and market cap net worths) than others playing by the same capitalist rules. Or worst yet, you get people who turn into bleeding hearts trying to argue against corporate purchases and acquisitions (something that happens in every industry) on purely emotional and factually dead wrong ass-sumptions based on ethical pleas where none should be present (unless the company in question is outright committing a civil or human rights violation in such business practices, or literally breaking the law).
Now, they still have some things to prove when it comes to 1P output being a consistent high quality outside of the Forza games, so that means making sure to innovate with Gears and continue upward from 5, that means making sure Halo Infinite is an unquestionable success in both the SP and MP. But it also means making sure their 1P efforts for diversification are successful; Everwild, the new PD, etc. It means making sure Bethesda (and I do specifically mean Bethesda; other Zenimax studios like Arkane and iD have always been great consistently) quality is spot-on at release for Starfield, etc.
I love what they are doing with GamePass and that's definitely one of the main reasons I'm going to be getting a Series X (hopefully by the holidays, that's when supply should be more regular). Many of their 3P timed and console exclusives, especially games like Scorn, Exo-Mecha, Bright Memory Infinite and The Ascent, satisfy my "let's just have fun", non-pretentious sci-fi itch just fine going by what we've seen so far, and I think for titles of that style Series X is going to be the preferred go-to system. And while it still needs some improving, their Japanese support has increased significantly from the barely-there presence of XBO. I just hope Microsoft get some stuff cooking with getting more Japanese fighting games day-and-date, or even partner up with someone like SEGA to make a new fighter using Microsoft characters (just as an idea).
So in some ways yeah, Microsoft still have something to prove particularly in terms of a single-player, cinematic, story-driven third-person action/adventure title (although personally I don't care too much for this as something MS needs to "prove"; they can bring that same time of production value to genres I think suite a niche more uniquely them, like RTS, simulators (FS 2020) and FPS games...all of which lend themselves well to MP gaming as well, something Microsoft excels in compared to Sony and Nintendo). But they have already proven a lot with designing Series X and S and keeping their messaging on-point, and being strategic with GamePass growth.
That's an incredible combination that's overall pretty much as enticing as what Sony is offering this generation, IMHO.
In some ways people like that make the weirdest arguments. They want to create a no-win scenario for a brand because maybe they never wanted the brand to improve in the first place despite sentiments expressed earlier. I have no issues with companies leveraging their financial assets to compete because this is what ALL gaming companies have done since the beginning of the industry!
It used to be a joke that Xbox was not privy to the larger company's financial might, treated as an isolated bubble within Microsoft. Which was true. So these same people, times in the past saying Xbox should compete more, highlighting that Microsoft as a whole was isolating the division (and even wanted to shut it down at some point only a few years ago)...what did they think was going to happen if Microsoft took the Xbox division a bit more seriously?
Very weird; these are the same people that want to champion capitalism in some instances but then make exceptions for companies that are much more successful (going by their revenues, profits, and market cap net worths) than others playing by the same capitalist rules. Or worst yet, you get people who turn into bleeding hearts trying to argue against corporate purchases and acquisitions (something that happens in every industry) on purely emotional and factually dead wrong ass-sumptions based on ethical pleas where none should be present (unless the company in question is outright committing a civil or human rights violation in such business practices, or literally breaking the law).
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Spaceman292
Banned
PfffttahahahahahahhashahahahHah
Yet again I ask when would Xbox fans get to play them games. Sony locked up the first 2 zenimax games Starfield was next. Now Sony is even going 2 year timed deals. So wait 2 years for Indiana Jones, Starfield ect. That is what a Xbox fan would celebrate and those games looking better performing better in the future being developed faster with less platforms to develop on. Using Microsoft money to expand teams or add teams. Not having to make garbage like fall out 76 to make the publisher happy and financially right side up.
The old the new studios will just get drunk on Microsoft money and never produce any games argument lol
. I'm sure the guys at Obsidian, playground and inexile are hammered right now and not doing any work yep thats right!The old the new studios will just get drunk on Microsoft money and never produce any games argument lol
I mean I guess we'll see what happens when they have some output. Historically speaking these acquisitions haven't amounted to much. Beyond that Microsoft has handled some of their existing IPs poorly (Halo for one, giving their premier franchise to 343 was questionable and has worked out as such).
Playground is the exception to the rule so far.
assurdum
Banned
kiphalfton
Member
Give some examples then. Of some of the exclusive games they've made for Xbox Series S/X? No, okay then go away.
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Fredrik
Member
Stop being a Debbie Downer, use the EA Play trick and get set with Gamepass so you’re ready when the floodgates open instead. Things are going to be wild the next three years!
I’m set playing all they release until 2024, $5/month!
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Ascend
Member
"Exclusives" is also the only argument you have, and honestly, with more and more PlayStation games ending on PC (and even Xbox like MLB The Show), it is becoming an increasingly weak argument. We do not live in the the early 2000s anymore. Exclusives are not necessarily the main system sellers anymore. There are way too many other features to consider exclusives the gold standard for a console.
Xbox has been more revolutionary for gaming and the gaming industry than PlayStation. In fact, many of the things Xbox has done, are later copied by PlayStation...
The most obvious is the online services. Xbox was the one pushing this and succeeded. Then Sony decided to copy a bunch of their features, like trophies being ripped off from achievements. The PS3 didn't even have proper friends lists initially, while you were already chatting with friends on Xbox across games and with multiple people.
Despite Xbox being trashed for charging for the service, now Sony charges for the service, for them to even have a chance of keeping up with the quality of the service.
Xbox was trashed for buying timed exclusive deals, what is Sony doing right now...? Exactly. The same thing.
Xbox introduced GamePass... Suddenly Sony wants to introduce one as well.
Despite the relatively weak Xbox One generation, Sony is the one that is still behind in terms of features and keeping up with the times. Believe what you want, but, actual gaming innovation is happening through Xbox and Nintendo. PlayStation is the least innovative of the three. The main thing that PlayStation has is mind share through its brand name.
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I could pay 5$ a month from now until 2024 or I could just subscribe for a month or two a year when the games I want to play actually come out. I mean by 2024 we'll be lucky if Bethesda has released a game on the service, even luckier if it's actually a good game.Stop being a Debbie Downer, use the EA Play trick and get set with Gamepass so you’re ready when the floodgates open instead. Things are going to be wild the next three years!
I’m set playing all they release until 2024, $5/month!
Zeroing
Banned
What? you could figured a better comeback than that...
kiphalfton
Member
Nice rant.
In any case, there's literally zero point getting an XSS or XSX if you have a PC. The fact you bring up 5 year old PS4 games coming to PC is funny, and acting like that's going to happen with every single PS game. They've ported what, like maybe 5 games to PC? But sure, let's go with what you're saying and act like people don't buy consoles for exclusives.
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Ascend
Member
And Microsoft doesn't care. In fact, you can use GamePass on PC as well.
There's zero point getting a PlayStation if you play a lot of games. Because it's the difference between forking $70 for one game, or about 5 months of gaming and being able to pick between more than 300 games.
We can all play that game.
Does it matter how old they are? They are no longer exclusive. And believe it or not, many people don't want nor need to play the latest game on the day of release. Especially PC gamers are more than willing to wait for a sale or discount. And;
Over half of the games announced for PS5 are also coming to PC - KitGuru
The PS5’s recent reveal event featured over two dozen titles coming to the upcoming console after it
www.kitguru.net
Value trumps exclusives. Especially in the current climate, where many people lost their jobs and are losing purchasing power, people will gladly skip a few exclusives to get better value elsewhere. Only the most hardcore are going to buy multiple consoles for exclusives, or pick one console based on exclusives. That is a small group and is shrinking fast.
The ease of downloading & playing any multiplatform game you wish with a subscription is simply a lot more appealing than forking $70 for every exclusive you want to play.
But keep touting the exclusive mantra. You can't live without it apparently.
assurdum
Banned
Dr Bass
Member
And Microsoft doesn't care. In fact, you can use GamePass on PC as well.
There's zero point getting a PlayStation if you play a lot of games. Because it's the difference between forking $70 for one game, or about 5 months of gaming and being able to pick between more than 300 games.
We can all play that game.
Does it matter how old they are? They are no longer exclusive. And believe it or not, many people don't want nor need to play the latest game on the day of release. Especially PC gamers are more than willing to wait for a sale or discount. And;
Over half of the games announced for PS5 are also coming to PC - KitGuru
The PS5’s recent reveal event featured over two dozen titles coming to the upcoming console after it
Value trumps exclusives. Especially in the current climate, where many people lost their jobs and are losing purchasing power, people will gladly skip a few exclusives to get better value elsewhere. Only the most hardcore are going to buy multiple consoles for exclusives, or pick one console based on exclusives. That is a small group and is shrinking fast.
The ease of downloading & playing any multiplatform game you wish with a subscription is simply a lot more appealing than forking $70 for every exclusive you want to play.
But keep touting the exclusive mantra. You can't live without it apparently.
This post is so non-sensical.
I still think this whole Game Pass thing is hilarious. Do people actually believe Microsoft would not rather be in a position where it could sell you each game it makes for 60 -70 dollars than to give you everything they make for 10 dollars a month, assuming you are even paying full price for this service? Supporting those "23 studios!" is going to cost a lot of money. Do people think not selling games, but instead a really low priced subscription service is really going to support that with the low numbers they have? Zenimax was trying to unload itself for awhile it seemed like. Why is taking on that massive cost but not actually selling the games going to work out better for a group that was wanting to be bought?
"Value trumps exclusives." No ... no I don't think it does, and you are assuming that exclusives don't also bring tremendous value of their own. You are looking at gaming purely as a dollars and cents proposition, i.e. what I like to call the Sizzler model around here. Why would you go get decent food from a high end restaurant when you can get all you can eat low grade food from Sizzler, and call it "value"? No doubt, there are plenty of people who think this way, but it's not the audience that is willing to pay for quality. That's why Apple can sell less computers than Dell, HP, etc. and absolutely crush them in revenue. They have customers that are willing to pay for quality.
You make this claim - "The ease of downloading & playing any multiplatform game you wish with a subscription is simply a lot more appealing than forking $70 for every exclusive you want to play."
There is a simple rebuttal to this:
No.
I would much rather pay 500 dollars a year to pick and choose the games I want to play, including exclusives that are NOT included on a subscription service, than pay 120 dollars a year and be limited to only what is on offer to that list. I don't want to partake in The Sizzler of gaming. I want the good stuff.
Fredrik
Member
You can absolutely do that, just know that for the price of one game you can subscribe a full year. And we don’t know how long they’ll let these stacking tricks work. There are games there right now and new games arrive all the time so I went ”better safe than sorry” and stacked up now to not miss out.
This all sounds good but doesn’t seem to be the way it’s playing out, even within the Xbox space. PS5s and XSX are impossible to find whereas XSS just sit on the shelves. By your logic, they should be selling out as they’re the best value you can get and the most financially sound in the current climate.We can all play that game.
Does it matter how old they are? They are no longer exclusive. And believe it or not, many people don't want nor need to play the latest game on the day of release. Especially PC gamers are more than willing to wait for a sale or discount. And;
Over half of the games announced for PS5 are also coming to PC - KitGuru
The PS5’s recent reveal event featured over two dozen titles coming to the upcoming console after it
Value trumps exclusives. Especially in the current climate, where many people lost their jobs and are losing purchasing power, people will gladly skip a few exclusives to get better value elsewhere. Only the most hardcore are going to buy multiple consoles for exclusives, or pick one console based on exclusives. That is a small group and is shrinking fast.
The ease of downloading & playing any multiplatform game you wish with a subscription is simply a lot more appealing than forking $70 for every exclusive you want to play.
But keep touting the exclusive mantra. You can't live without it apparently.
Enthusiasts do care about exclusives and have no problem paying for them. They probably have no problem paying for gamepass in addition to those exclusives either. Most casual gamers don’t even play enough games for the value of gamepass to be that much more than just buying them. Also, theyd rather play Call of Duty (or one of many popular entirely free to play games) than have the ability to play 250 different games they’ve never heard of. There’s some group in the middle that doesn’t care about exclusives, playing games on day 1, and would prefer quantity > quality. Not sure that group is big enough to swing the pendulum though.
also, any multiplat? Cmon now. Gamepass has no where near every multiplat, anecdotally it doesn’t even seem to have a majority of the high quality ones from the last year or so.
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When I read it sold 50 million I looked into lists of game system rankings and the PSP selling 80million was a total shock. I had no idea PSP sold that much back then. 50 Million is ... OK... certainly better than a few other consoles like the Wii U or Gamecube for sure but certainly a pretty major step back from 360 sales.
Ascend
Member
Just checked Amazon... Xbox Series S consoles are indeed available... For $529....
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Fredrik
Member
PC gaming isn’t easy right now though, everything is too expensive or can’t be found, I’m still waiting on a 3080 since like half a year ago.
So from that perspective I understand the annoyance of removing console versions for Bethesda’s games.
But I fully understand if MS goes full on exclusive on everything from now on, it has to hurt to see how Xbox gamers are waiting for something new to play and then know that the first games that comes out of Besthesda will be PS exclusives...
IDappa
Member
can you stack more than once, I thought it was a one off thing. I initially stacked for only 12months when gamepass first released.
Fredrik
Member
It’s different stacking methods. The first one was about stacking Xbox Live Gold prepaid 12 months cards. The new one is EA Play prepaid 12 months cards. EA Play 12 month gives you 4 month of Gamepass, so you need 9 cards for three years.
Shelookdlvl18
Banned
The update clearly stated that MS paid Machinima to have it's stable of youtubers review some Xbox hardware and content. How Machinima went about doing so may have been wrong, but there's nothing proving MS factually paid them to produce and release it that way.
Even if you take it at face value the overall sum that was to be paid was pretty insignificant.
You're the one suspicious of all things MS here. There are valid reasons to be wary of MS due to their history, but the reason you mentioned isn't one of them. What's really suspicious is your bias towards Sony when their history is worse than MS's.
Zeroing
Banned
You’re downplaying it. You can also say you’re “rewriting history”
Lol Sony, I don’t care about Sony! Why is everyone assumes that anyone criticizing MS is a Sony fan?
Anyway don’t bother replying , I see are after those evil Sony fanboys
good hunting
YeulEmeralda
Member
At this point how can anyone underestimate or deny PlayStation 5?
Shills. Shills everywhere.
Shills. Shills everywhere.
Banjo64
cumsessed
For real, I think all of Sony, MS and Nintendo have hit it out of the park this gen. Seems people want to talk about 1% differences in frames or res or sales splits than just enjoying what we have. I suppose there’s a bit of a drought due to Covid in terms of game news.
DonJorginho
Banned
I don't know why anyone underestimates anyone in this business, they've all proven themselves countless times up till now and this is the most open generation I have seen in a long time in terms of competitiveness.
I say bring it on, nothing better than healthy competition.
I say bring it on, nothing better than healthy competition.
Daymos
Member
Creativity is fostered or grown, not bought. Microsoft bought the rights to sell morrowiind, oblivion, skyrim, fallout3, fallout4, etc, etc.. but they didn't necessarily buy a future game that's as good as those games.
They could of simply hired some talented game developers (I'm sure there's some cd projekt guys looking for a new job) and made the best game of all time, they didn't have to specifically buy the name of a corporation.
They could of simply hired some talented game developers (I'm sure there's some cd projekt guys looking for a new job) and made the best game of all time, they didn't have to specifically buy the name of a corporation.
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Papacheeks
Banned
Microsoft would not be in the position they are in if they knew how to manage projects and studios.
ZywyPL
Banned
It's impossible to deny how hard MS is pushing XB division since ~2018, but nevertheless the results still have to be made, they still have a lot of recovery to do after XB1. GP is growing fast, XSX consoles are selling out, they finally have a solid 1st party dev lineup, so so far so good, but IMO we are still at least 2-3 years away until all of it to comes together and starts playing out.
tassletine
Member
I notice that the OP doesn't mention any games. No one goes to the shops to hang around the seller.
RaginBlueJay
Neo Member
I just bought my first Xbox (series X) and signed up for 2 years of game pass. I have been a SEGA/Nintendo fan for years, and own a Switch. I have never owned an Xbox, but with game pass it has been a whole new world for me. Every day I am downloading some different games that Id like to try and has been a great introduction to the world of Xbox.
Well, if according to some people "why have an xbox if I can play on PC" i'm fairly sure they must have a PC enough to run the games.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Since 2010 SONY PS3Slim Microsoft has trailed them.
Magnific0giganticus
Banned
The backlash would have been worse. People compare it to 360 Halo ffs...and there are comparison videos that make a demonstrable case it looks even worse than Halo games on the 360...
lol nice joke post