S0ULZB0URNE
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Strong finish with PS3 as well which = record PS4 sales.Strong finnish for PS4(2020) bought a lot of goodwill and trust.
PS4 2020 GOTY's and exclusives
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At this point how can anyone underestimate or deny Microsoft/Xbox?
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alabtrosMyster
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You made me realize something about MS (the xbox division at least), they seem extremely data driven. Which can be good/great, but it's never excellent because this leads you to think that platform features (backward compat, 12tf) and services (gold/live/gamepass) are the core of their business. This is likely because the backlash on the release of the one was pretty much only about this aspect of their business.
Had they bought or made studios since early in the gen and released a couple of key titles there would be no discussion about their value as a platform holder--I'm no fan of Nintendo but I never question their presence in the field, I never had that kind of questions about MS' presence until the lack of output from them showed how irrelevant they have been for a very long time now.
Depending how fast and well their studios deliver (assuming they do and are given a chance to make great games) there is a chance they turn things around, but this is not like Sony will just sit there and watch MS eat their cake.
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Negotiator101
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Go back to bed, this is obviously confusing you.
Zeroing
Banned
This!!! Why is everyone calling neogaf a Sony fanboy forum? Nintendo fans exist so are pc gamers...
All I see are some people with persecution complex! What’s next?
Comparing themselves with LGBT people in Iraq? It was already done on the gamepass thread! Yeah not good.
Can people stop with the “we are victims just because we like Xbox“
bottom line is everyone is free to like whatever they want. Just because some people do not agree with your point doesn’t mean this forums is bias, just means people have different tastes and think differently and it’s ok. That’s what forums are - exchanging of ideas.
SoraNoKuni
Member
How? Man, they haven't really released anything worth mentioning in almost 6 months since they launched their next gen machine.
They try to patch things with gamepass but that ain't gonna cut it, for an XBOX ONE user it's like they got a new gpu, nothing new at all.
Yeah, Gamepass is great, I'll agree, but there is nothing worth my time in that ecosystem that I couldn't already enjoy with my 4ish Year old gaming PC(R7 1700 RX 480), or even my PS4.
They try to patch things with gamepass but that ain't gonna cut it, for an XBOX ONE user it's like they got a new gpu, nothing new at all.
Yeah, Gamepass is great, I'll agree, but there is nothing worth my time in that ecosystem that I couldn't already enjoy with my 4ish Year old gaming PC(R7 1700 RX 480), or even my PS4.
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Fredrik
Member
This has been the case every generation. It’s not a marriage, I don’t understand those who stay exclusive to one console. I bought Xbox Series X at launch to have as the main console for some cheap gaming through Gamepass. And I will get a PS5 when a couple of good games are out that I can’t play elsewhere. At this point I don’t see a need for PS5 though, but it can change quickly. Returnal interest me a lot tbh, I’ll be looking closely at reviews and gameplay videos.
Fitzchiv
Member
It's an indicator they want to increase the run rate, as it shit one studio releasing one game every 3 to 4 years is it..
Magic Carpet
Member
Neogaf is only about the following words.
Blood, Borne, Evil, Resident, Souls, Breath, Wild.
I need a script that removes these words and Neogaf will be a tolerable place.
assurdum
Banned
And that confirm my point. Most of the Xbox fans in this thread not want to discuss about concrete things (look at the stupidity of this post without any kind of evident argument); it seems they just can't live with their complex of inferiority over the other 2 major companies and they spelled out a bunch of marketing words just to prove how on par is their favourite brand as it would be a thread worthy argument. Imo. I mean for these things there is a specialised forum (Resetera). You can find on it daily a thread about how exceptional is the MS xbox offer.
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Ascend
Member
This argument is like a meme at this point.
Xbox got MLB The Show. If that's not a huge deal, I don't know what to say. If at this point you still believe that Xbox has no games, no other console has games.
I guess some people would still prefer to only buy Blu-ray discs, rather than getting Netflix.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Zeroing
Banned
For a short time it was about gamepass, value, rumor, will buy “things”.
What you described is about games, what I described is marketing buzz words... I wonder what is more tolerable?
Outrunner
Member
They are.
Kokoloko85
Member
I dont think its really his choice how much he could spend. Its not all up to one person, thats not how major businesses work lol
MilkyJoe
Member
Duchess
Member
Can I instead overestimate them..?
XSX will outsell the PS5.
XSS will surpass the PS2's worldwide sales by 2026.
Crackdown reboot will become a candidate for GOTY 2022.
With MS's funding, Elder Scrolls 6 will launch completely bug free and run at 60fps 1440p on XSS.
XCloud will integrate natively into the Nintendo Switch successor and have latency on a par with the Dualshock 4.
PS5s will fill second hand listings after MS successfully acquires the rights from Philips to remake Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon, and delivers on every promise.
XSX will outsell the PS5.
XSS will surpass the PS2's worldwide sales by 2026.
Crackdown reboot will become a candidate for GOTY 2022.
With MS's funding, Elder Scrolls 6 will launch completely bug free and run at 60fps 1440p on XSS.
XCloud will integrate natively into the Nintendo Switch successor and have latency on a par with the Dualshock 4.
PS5s will fill second hand listings after MS successfully acquires the rights from Philips to remake Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon, and delivers on every promise.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Your joking, right? The xbox one sold 50 million units, regardless of the sales of ps4 this hardly put them in any sort of desperation mode. Combine that with the success of gamepass, deep pockets, good hardware and leadership that knows they need more games, they bought more studios. To call this desperation is a pathetic ranting of a one brand sort of thinking that is beyond weak.
It's embarrassing to this board that 21 people supported your comment
For me personally it comes down to “the goods”.
I don’t care about the hype, the talk, and whatever else.
Look at Cyberpunk as an example, the videos, the talk and then look at what we got.
There is no doubt Microsoft is being very aggressive this gen, and in theory with the number of studios you’d assume they’ll release something good but time will tell.
I judge things on what has happened not what might happen. And as of now Microsoft launched 2 new consoles without a brand new exclusive game.
Why do you think they’re going so aggressive with Gamepass and backwards compatibility? It’s to draw attention away from the lack of new next-gen exclusives.
Do you think if they had launched the new halo, and 5 other games at launch they’d have been pushing backwards compatibility in your face?
Sony meanwhile launched with a handful of new exclusives, and there are more launching imminently.
What have Microsoft got coming in that same time frame? And if the exclusives are going to be like the medium then good luck. Who even talks about that game? Lol
As a third party machine there’s definitely value in the Xbox, and gamepass is a good deal. If exclusives weren’t a thing I wouldn’t even entertain a PlayStation at this point.
But for me exclusives are a reason to buy a specific console, I buy Nintendo consoles for their games, same with Sony.
To be honest the only Xbox exclusive at this point that I know will be great is the next Forza horizon.
The same thing applies with Sony too, there’s no guarantee that their exclusives will be good. Everyone hyped up Horizon but the first game was terrible for me, janky combat and a static cardboard world. The foliage doesn’t even move unless it’s the “stealth grass”. People praised the graphics but it was full of lod pop in and terrible anisotropic filtering, I could literally see the line as I walked forward and saw things appearing just metres away.
I also didn’t like the direction the new god of war took. I preferred God of War 3 by a big margin.
But so far Demon’s souls, and miles were enjoyable and I’m confident I’ll enjoy Ratchet but time will tell....Meanwhile I played the medium on gamepass on PC and that was shit for me. So Sony is ahead so far in terms of exclusives I want to play.
I’m not loyal though, if Amazon released a console with games I wanted to play I’d buy it.
I don’t care about who makes the plastic box, I care about what games are on the plastic box.
I don’t care about the hype, the talk, and whatever else.
Look at Cyberpunk as an example, the videos, the talk and then look at what we got.
There is no doubt Microsoft is being very aggressive this gen, and in theory with the number of studios you’d assume they’ll release something good but time will tell.
I judge things on what has happened not what might happen. And as of now Microsoft launched 2 new consoles without a brand new exclusive game.
Why do you think they’re going so aggressive with Gamepass and backwards compatibility? It’s to draw attention away from the lack of new next-gen exclusives.
Do you think if they had launched the new halo, and 5 other games at launch they’d have been pushing backwards compatibility in your face?
Sony meanwhile launched with a handful of new exclusives, and there are more launching imminently.
What have Microsoft got coming in that same time frame? And if the exclusives are going to be like the medium then good luck. Who even talks about that game? Lol
As a third party machine there’s definitely value in the Xbox, and gamepass is a good deal. If exclusives weren’t a thing I wouldn’t even entertain a PlayStation at this point.
But for me exclusives are a reason to buy a specific console, I buy Nintendo consoles for their games, same with Sony.
To be honest the only Xbox exclusive at this point that I know will be great is the next Forza horizon.
The same thing applies with Sony too, there’s no guarantee that their exclusives will be good. Everyone hyped up Horizon but the first game was terrible for me, janky combat and a static cardboard world. The foliage doesn’t even move unless it’s the “stealth grass”. People praised the graphics but it was full of lod pop in and terrible anisotropic filtering, I could literally see the line as I walked forward and saw things appearing just metres away.
I also didn’t like the direction the new god of war took. I preferred God of War 3 by a big margin.
But so far Demon’s souls, and miles were enjoyable and I’m confident I’ll enjoy Ratchet but time will tell....Meanwhile I played the medium on gamepass on PC and that was shit for me. So Sony is ahead so far in terms of exclusives I want to play.
I’m not loyal though, if Amazon released a console with games I wanted to play I’d buy it.
I don’t care about who makes the plastic box, I care about what games are on the plastic box.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
This is why I get all plastic boxes, then I don't have to worry about who makes what. In every generation every console (pretty much) has had some exclusives worth playing.
Hardware, Services, Acquisitions & Cloud infrastructure doesn’t mean shit if you don’t show up the games, and until their 23 Studio’s release Great, High Quality games (like Nintendo & Sony) then we’ll stop denying Xbox
PS. As much as i love Bethesda, im not hyped up for Starfield nor TESVI after the fuckup that was F76, ill wait for reviews when it releases
PS. As much as i love Bethesda, im not hyped up for Starfield nor TESVI after the fuckup that was F76, ill wait for reviews when it releases
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Neff
Member
That's basically my point. MS during the Mattrick era was toothless and pretty much wrote XB1 off when they realised they were never, ever going to claw that generation back.
They're being far more aggressive with this one.
You know I was thinking about this today. MS has only been in the industry 7 years shorter than Sony with Playsation, its not like they are the new kid on the block anymore lol. It literally has been 20 years. And it has been 8 years since the Xbox One came out. There have been SOME games here and there that have been exclusive to play in those 8 years but for the most part nothing that has driven me to buy a Xbox Console to play a must have game.
Badlucktroll
Member
They seem to be doing alot. I am glad i got a series x.
Astral Dog
Member
I disagree, third party as well as first party are selling Switch systems, don't underestimate the appeal of playing Skyrim, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy etc on handheld mode, sales are good for those as well, if it was just Nintendo fans buying it would be far less popular.
PS2 was a beast when it released, was the popular and only system for lots of developers and cutting edge in some ways like DVD player, ate the market quickly by the time GameCube and Xbox released it was too little and too late, GC even was critizised for looking like a toy.
Switch may not be exactly cutting edge but compare it to previous Nintendo systems like Wii U or 3DS even standard tablet Switch looks sleek next to them.
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Interfectum
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Deputy Moonman
Member
I don't think it makes sense to completely dismiss and ignore everything that happened before the Xbox One. The idea that the Xbox has to prove itself to people is tacky. Microsoft had a rough last gen but it wasn't because all the games were bad. There were several droughts. The games this gen are coming. That is completely obvious to anyone willing to think rationally. Not everyone may like it but Sea of Thieves has to be one of the most refreshing games in recent memory. It's a treasure pun intended. The Ori games are gems. TMCC is one of my favorite games of last gen. And Infinite was meant to be the big launch game for the Series X and got delayed. Things happen.
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Dabaus
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Xbox is a poorly run organization but since it’s parent company has so much money it literally doesn’t know what to do with, they can keep shoveling money into the bonfire that is the Xbox division. Time and time again the market spoke that Xbox is a third place console even at its peak but Microsoft doesn’t care. They’d rather bribe and buyout the whole industry out of spite than accept that nobody wants an Xbox. “Game pass is a great value,” yes they’re literally giving it away now because they have to. After they buy a few more publishers and Sony and Nintendo are locked out of content they can raise the price to 50 dollars or more a month , and you’ll deserve it when they do for cheering them on.
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Menzies
Banned
I think that's fairly revisionist. Credit were credit is due. The market certainly didn't reject Xbox during the 360 era.
I see this argument often as well about them building up their content, which is basically: "how dare the Company coming last try to improve their position".
The Company coming first isn't entitled to everything because of historical trends.
Yes lmao
poor Jim "money hat" Ryan he went on a money hat world tour and Microsoft responded. You really don't get into the time-line because Sony was guilty of what your acusing Microsoft of. They locked up timed deals left and right trying to knock out the last competitor. Microsoft simply responded with the zenimax deal. Instead of wasting money timed deals they invented in studios. Blame Sony they wanted to lock up every zenimax game as a timed exclusive Microsoft just out done them. So blame Mr money hat for forcing Microsoft to respond. Don't bring a knife to a tank fight.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Sony started with the moneyhatting shit. Microsoft just responded.
Sony would never do that lol
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Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft Kinda Funny’s Imran Khan said: There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had...
There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had content and games.
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DarkMage619
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The X1 also sold more units than the original Xbox and they outsold Nintendo twice. Yet they are 'desperate' and on the verge of collapse.
It's too early to make any final calls on the XSX|S yet but June will give us all the answers we seek. Looking forward to seeing what MS has planned.
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LuciferSatan
Neo Member
They can be successful without denting Sony's and Nintendo's business. We need to remember that the console market is not a vast market, and it has not seen a big growth in years. I think Gamepass will find a lot of success in markets of the third world and developing countries where consoles are unfairly priced and the games even more so. I think they will do well in India or China; given enough time. If they succeed there, then they might just be a force to be reckoned with.
Shelookdlvl18
Banned
Threads like these provide a good example of revisionist history. It's impressive when you consider just how widely accepted it is in some circles. Some have repeated the narrative so many times that now, not only do they believe it... Others do as well.
• The narrative that Xbox has always finished 3rd place.
The truth is that the 360 almost certainly beat the PS3 in actual sales. MS stopped reporting sales numbers around the summer of 2014. In the last official numbers MS provided for the 360 was over 84 million units sold. In the very last quarterly earnings report that MS gave sales figures, the Xbox 360 sold 3.5 million units. In order for that XB360 lifetime sales number of 84 million to be true, that means that MS never sold another 360 console after June of 2014... Despite having just sold 3.5 million the quarter before, and all while Microsoft stubbornly continued to manufacture them well into 2016. Then... in 2017, Sony announced that it had finally sold 87 million PS3's, and it became written in stone that the PS3 outsold the 360.
• The Xbox has no games narrative.
While it's no secret that the Xbox first party exclusives pool has been pretty shallow the past few years. Both the severity as well as the duration gets twice as bad, and twice as long every couple of months. Not to mention the fact that 3rd party games are curiously absent when mentioning it. Just look at all the posts in this very thread with people claiming that the only thing that matters is games... Of which the Xbox has none. Backwards compatibility is downplayed and brushed aside as ultimately irrelevant in order to peddle the narrative that the PS5 released with the type of AAA quality exclusive Xbox so desperately needs... Demon Souls, a rehash of the exact same game that originally released well over a decade ago.
• Gamepass will never be profitable, and is bad for gaming.
This is current fad of many detractors. When Gamepass first released, the detractors claimed that it was a useless endeavor that would ultimately flop. When the number of subscribers increased, they claimed it wouldn't last as the selection of games wasn't noteworthy. When the subscriber count increased yet again. It was a temporary trend that wasn't sustainable because MS surely wouldn't pay through the nose for good games to be on it for long. When the subscribers numbered even more. It all meant nothing because surely all the subscribers were doing the $1 trick, and would sink it for sure. This is despite the service continually outpacing every prediction quarter after quarter, and outnumbering Sony's competing service by tenfold.
As far as Gamepass being the death toll for physical games? It should be noted that many of the very same people who continually dismiss Gamepass because as they put it, "I want my games to be physical rather than digital, because I like to actually own my games." also just happen to be the very same people that downplay MS's efforts in bc with something along the lines of "I don't play old games, I play new ones.". As if the hypocrisy wasn't visible enough already... When the cbomb fiasco happened last week, in which even many physical Playstation games would potentially become unplayable. They immediately made it abundantly clear that it wasn't important to them, and not a big deal. They shrugged at the potential loss of the very physical games that they so honorably defended in other threads when it came to Gamepass.
• Xbox fanboys have a persecution complex here that has no foundation to it.
Some of those peddling this narrative, do so in order to counter their continual downplaying and concern trolling anything Xbox. Others (and these days I believe it to be the majority) do so because they haven't been on GAF long enough to remember when the simple act of posting anything pro Xbox resulted in likely perma ban depending on how supportive it was. They have none or very little knowledge of former members such as Cboat, or the outright deceptive BS he and others spread as gospel. The term "SonyGaf" has been around for a long time now, and it's not a moniker that was placed solely by Xbox fanboys. It was done so by everyone who didn't tow the Sony line. Not had your fill of hypocrisy yet? In recent weeks, many of the same people accusing Xbox fans of having a persecution complex, have taken to adopting every possible conspiracy theory to suggest that forum posters, youtubers, as well as the media as a whole is secretly out to ruin Sony.
It's amazing to watch it unfold really. A thought becomes a suggestion. The suggestion becomes a rumor. The rumor becomes a fact. The fact becomes a reality. Only on GAF have I seen entire histories reimagined, and peddled as accurate.
• The narrative that Xbox has always finished 3rd place.
The truth is that the 360 almost certainly beat the PS3 in actual sales. MS stopped reporting sales numbers around the summer of 2014. In the last official numbers MS provided for the 360 was over 84 million units sold. In the very last quarterly earnings report that MS gave sales figures, the Xbox 360 sold 3.5 million units. In order for that XB360 lifetime sales number of 84 million to be true, that means that MS never sold another 360 console after June of 2014... Despite having just sold 3.5 million the quarter before, and all while Microsoft stubbornly continued to manufacture them well into 2016. Then... in 2017, Sony announced that it had finally sold 87 million PS3's, and it became written in stone that the PS3 outsold the 360.
• The Xbox has no games narrative.
While it's no secret that the Xbox first party exclusives pool has been pretty shallow the past few years. Both the severity as well as the duration gets twice as bad, and twice as long every couple of months. Not to mention the fact that 3rd party games are curiously absent when mentioning it. Just look at all the posts in this very thread with people claiming that the only thing that matters is games... Of which the Xbox has none. Backwards compatibility is downplayed and brushed aside as ultimately irrelevant in order to peddle the narrative that the PS5 released with the type of AAA quality exclusive Xbox so desperately needs... Demon Souls, a rehash of the exact same game that originally released well over a decade ago.
• Gamepass will never be profitable, and is bad for gaming.
This is current fad of many detractors. When Gamepass first released, the detractors claimed that it was a useless endeavor that would ultimately flop. When the number of subscribers increased, they claimed it wouldn't last as the selection of games wasn't noteworthy. When the subscriber count increased yet again. It was a temporary trend that wasn't sustainable because MS surely wouldn't pay through the nose for good games to be on it for long. When the subscribers numbered even more. It all meant nothing because surely all the subscribers were doing the $1 trick, and would sink it for sure. This is despite the service continually outpacing every prediction quarter after quarter, and outnumbering Sony's competing service by tenfold.
As far as Gamepass being the death toll for physical games? It should be noted that many of the very same people who continually dismiss Gamepass because as they put it, "I want my games to be physical rather than digital, because I like to actually own my games." also just happen to be the very same people that downplay MS's efforts in bc with something along the lines of "I don't play old games, I play new ones.". As if the hypocrisy wasn't visible enough already... When the cbomb fiasco happened last week, in which even many physical Playstation games would potentially become unplayable. They immediately made it abundantly clear that it wasn't important to them, and not a big deal. They shrugged at the potential loss of the very physical games that they so honorably defended in other threads when it came to Gamepass.
• Xbox fanboys have a persecution complex here that has no foundation to it.
Some of those peddling this narrative, do so in order to counter their continual downplaying and concern trolling anything Xbox. Others (and these days I believe it to be the majority) do so because they haven't been on GAF long enough to remember when the simple act of posting anything pro Xbox resulted in likely perma ban depending on how supportive it was. They have none or very little knowledge of former members such as Cboat, or the outright deceptive BS he and others spread as gospel. The term "SonyGaf" has been around for a long time now, and it's not a moniker that was placed solely by Xbox fanboys. It was done so by everyone who didn't tow the Sony line. Not had your fill of hypocrisy yet? In recent weeks, many of the same people accusing Xbox fans of having a persecution complex, have taken to adopting every possible conspiracy theory to suggest that forum posters, youtubers, as well as the media as a whole is secretly out to ruin Sony.
It's amazing to watch it unfold really. A thought becomes a suggestion. The suggestion becomes a rumor. The rumor becomes a fact. The fact becomes a reality. Only on GAF have I seen entire histories reimagined, and peddled as accurate.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Not yet, you mean.
Menzies
Banned
Narcissists don't lie. They rewrite history.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
I typically bought both consoles at launch so never felt I was platform agnostic, now I primarily play on PC. With that said Xbox was at it's best during the 360 generation and fell into a deep hole during the Xbox One generation. They have made good moves since but if I had to grade them as they stand today I wouldn't feel that much better than I did a few years back. They built up a lot of good will with game pass and studios they have purchased but they are currently playing the long game and it's going to take time to see the fruits of those efforts. It makes for exciting topics week to week but outside of Halo this fall they do not have any major titles releasing this year, please correct me if I am wrong. All the while every one is shitting on Sony for certain decisions they have made lately but simply put they have put out more major released in the past year than Xbox without simply giving their player base a bunch of IOU's going forward. Either way I will ready for what the future holds since I have gamepass on lock for the next 2 years or so.
Zeroing
Banned
I remember this.
Microsoft paid YouTubers to say nice things about Xbox One - report
UPDATE #2: Microsoft has asked Machinima to mark videos made as part of its paid-for Xbox One content deal as advertisi…
www.eurogamer.net
So of course anyone who remember that spectacle, will be suspicious now, you would if it had been with Sony...
Shelookdlvl18
Banned
Apparently you didn't remember to read the updates clearly posted at the top of that article.I remember this.
Microsoft paid YouTubers to say nice things about Xbox One - report
UPDATE #2: Microsoft has asked Machinima to mark videos made as part of its paid-for Xbox One content deal as advertisi…
So of course anyone who remember that spectacle, will be suspicious now, you would if it had been with Sony...
Suspicious isn't what you're being here.
Menzies
Banned
I don't think even the most strident Xbox fans would say that was the most ethical thing in the world.I remember this.
Microsoft paid YouTubers to say nice things about Xbox One - report
UPDATE #2: Microsoft has asked Machinima to mark videos made as part of its paid-for Xbox One content deal as advertisi…
So of course anyone who remember that spectacle, will be suspicious now, you would if it had been with Sony...
Still, there's definitely a difference between paid sponsorship endorsing a product, versus a coordinated smear campaign orchestrated to slander the competition...
The sources reputation comes into play here as well. Some Machinima YouTube personalities or journalists like Jason Schreier and Jeff Grub.
Zeroing
Banned
I did read, did you?
They only bother to acknowledge anything because it was blown in the internet! So did you read?
be suspicious all you want! Just trying to give you some context!
Zeroing
Banned
All I was pointing out was, when there is a hint of something bad a company done in the past, some will be suspicious. I am not saying the smear campaign is real.
And yes it was not ethical.
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
Say what you want about PS but they ended the last generation on a very high note and released new good games with the PS5
Had the XSX launched with 3-4 new good games even crossgen stuff, there wouldn't be people saying that they have no games
His Dudeness
Neo Member
Hi Gafers
This is my maiden post. I’ve lurked the discussions for years reading all the game related talk and finally decided to join so I could get something off my chest, and I guess here is as good a spot as any.
First, please indulge me in my brief gaming history as I believe it adds context to my current thoughts.
As a kid I was a Nintendo gamer, OG, Super Nintendo then N64. At the age of around 18 I got a PS2, which I sold, losing interest in gaming for awhile before picking a cheap ps2 up towards the end of the generation.
A few years later I saw Elder Scrolls oblivion on the Xbox 360 at a mates place and went out the next day to buy one. This was my first RPG and I fell in love. I loved my Xbox 360 as it turned my casual hobby into a massive enjoyable time sink. Problem was that Microsoft shat on consumers like me by realeasing a system that wasn’t up to scratch. I got the red ring of death about a year into its life, but fortunately I had console insurance and it was replaced at the point of purchase. My second 360 did the same about a year in, just before my insurance ended so I got a third.
But I swore off Microsoft at that point, angry that they would treat its customers like that.
I didn’t play much of my third 360 because I was soon given a PS3 from my future wife, and I loved it. By the end of the generation of was a Sony man, and there was no doubt I’d go with the PS4. Even more so, when Microsoft tried to screw with customers again with their online only Xbox 1.
So PS4 it was. Over the years I developed a love of trophies with around 15 platinums on favourite games. All my friends were PlayStation, not that I like online games. And I haven’t regretted that decision as the PS4 was an exclusive gold mine. Blood borne, horizon, the last of us, days gone etc, put Microsoft to shame. Actually in my opinion, Microsoft phoned in the whole generation and once the numbers said it was over they gave up and their exclusive lineup was embarrassing.
So here i am, a playstion fan for over a decade, spurned by Microsoft with the 360, and a massive critic of their follow up generation in the Xbox 1.
And, amazingly, im pretty sure my first purchase of this new generation will be a new Microsoft console. To part me with my trophies this is a pretty big deal. If would have told me 3 years ago I’d be going Microsoft first I’d have laughed at you.
Why have I changed my mind?
1: Gears of War Tactics - I fell in love with xcom and whilst a niche for some, this game is a system seller for me.
2: Bethesda - I want to make it clear, this was the main reason I joined this site, I wanted to express how angry I was when I hear about the acquisition. Now you can call me salty etc, and there is nothing wrong legally with buying Bethesda BUT after a whole generation of proving little in the department of exclusives, buying a while publisher only increases your exclusives by ripping them away from others. Which is the exact opposite of what the head of Xbox said when he said it wasn’t about stopping others from playing these games on other systems.
That is exactly what it was about. Microsoft can’t compete with Sony games wise so just bought games that Sony players would have been playing, making them exclusives.
And unfortunately, for me, it backs me into a corner and forces me to buy an Xbox.
Again, some Microsoft fans might say it’s just business, and they are correct. But think about what happens if Sony buys from an you can’t play Elden Ring.
It was an asshole move by Microsoft, succeeding in not giving their gamers anything extra, but denying Sony peeps.
3: Console Power - though not a big deal, the power advantage of Microsoft, especially at the start of the generation, means I can wait for a ps5 pro for later in the generation.
So all in all, in keeping with the theme of this thread, Xbox is back in my future.
This is my maiden post. I’ve lurked the discussions for years reading all the game related talk and finally decided to join so I could get something off my chest, and I guess here is as good a spot as any.
First, please indulge me in my brief gaming history as I believe it adds context to my current thoughts.
As a kid I was a Nintendo gamer, OG, Super Nintendo then N64. At the age of around 18 I got a PS2, which I sold, losing interest in gaming for awhile before picking a cheap ps2 up towards the end of the generation.
A few years later I saw Elder Scrolls oblivion on the Xbox 360 at a mates place and went out the next day to buy one. This was my first RPG and I fell in love. I loved my Xbox 360 as it turned my casual hobby into a massive enjoyable time sink. Problem was that Microsoft shat on consumers like me by realeasing a system that wasn’t up to scratch. I got the red ring of death about a year into its life, but fortunately I had console insurance and it was replaced at the point of purchase. My second 360 did the same about a year in, just before my insurance ended so I got a third.
But I swore off Microsoft at that point, angry that they would treat its customers like that.
I didn’t play much of my third 360 because I was soon given a PS3 from my future wife, and I loved it. By the end of the generation of was a Sony man, and there was no doubt I’d go with the PS4. Even more so, when Microsoft tried to screw with customers again with their online only Xbox 1.
So PS4 it was. Over the years I developed a love of trophies with around 15 platinums on favourite games. All my friends were PlayStation, not that I like online games. And I haven’t regretted that decision as the PS4 was an exclusive gold mine. Blood borne, horizon, the last of us, days gone etc, put Microsoft to shame. Actually in my opinion, Microsoft phoned in the whole generation and once the numbers said it was over they gave up and their exclusive lineup was embarrassing.
So here i am, a playstion fan for over a decade, spurned by Microsoft with the 360, and a massive critic of their follow up generation in the Xbox 1.
And, amazingly, im pretty sure my first purchase of this new generation will be a new Microsoft console. To part me with my trophies this is a pretty big deal. If would have told me 3 years ago I’d be going Microsoft first I’d have laughed at you.
Why have I changed my mind?
1: Gears of War Tactics - I fell in love with xcom and whilst a niche for some, this game is a system seller for me.
2: Bethesda - I want to make it clear, this was the main reason I joined this site, I wanted to express how angry I was when I hear about the acquisition. Now you can call me salty etc, and there is nothing wrong legally with buying Bethesda BUT after a whole generation of proving little in the department of exclusives, buying a while publisher only increases your exclusives by ripping them away from others. Which is the exact opposite of what the head of Xbox said when he said it wasn’t about stopping others from playing these games on other systems.
That is exactly what it was about. Microsoft can’t compete with Sony games wise so just bought games that Sony players would have been playing, making them exclusives.
And unfortunately, for me, it backs me into a corner and forces me to buy an Xbox.
Again, some Microsoft fans might say it’s just business, and they are correct. But think about what happens if Sony buys from an you can’t play Elden Ring.
It was an asshole move by Microsoft, succeeding in not giving their gamers anything extra, but denying Sony peeps.
3: Console Power - though not a big deal, the power advantage of Microsoft, especially at the start of the generation, means I can wait for a ps5 pro for later in the generation.
So all in all, in keeping with the theme of this thread, Xbox is back in my future.