INC
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The American navy are pretty dumb, if they can't identify a plane, through a nightscope
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The American navy are pretty dumb, if they can't identify a plane, through a nightscope
Wheeljack539
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Several reasons from what I read and that they were all done on purpose. One was keeping the energy industry happy, like big oil so they keep raking in the money (to which the politicians had access to). Another was that they, the powers that be, purposely kept NASA from introducing better tech and let some come out at a slow pace and was far inferior to what "we" really have. Another related has to do with Project Paperclip and the remains of the Third Reich and that the film The Winter Soldier is an allegory when it comes to the infiltration that supposedly happened. That particular thread is a long one as Wernher von Braun knew much more than he let on publicly.
There is honestly a shit ton more and as I said in a previous post it gets really damn insane.
Maybe the flying saucers are inter-dimensional rather than inter-planetary and can only operate within the earths atmosphere and gravity.
Wheeljack539
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I've read that too, but its in conjunction with the others. Interplantery travel, dimensional travel, extraterrestrials, inner-Earth societies, hidden Earth based societies, breakaway civilizations masking as ETs, etc.
Somewhat related, as it does go into possible dimensional travel/portals and does involve ufos as well.
This first part deals with the family that bought the ranch and lived there.
The second part talks about several scientific teams going to the ranch for testing.
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Chiggs
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chris121580
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Sightings also recently made the NBC news with Lester Holt which is huge
V4skunk
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Skinwalker ranch is a scam tbh.
Maiden Voyage
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zeomax
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It is a plane.
The flashing matches exactly the ones from a commercial airplane.
The triangular shape is because the light source is out of focus and is caused by the triangular iris in the camera.
It is called a "bokeh effect".
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INC
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It is a plane.
The flashing matches exactly the ones from a commercial airplane.
The triangular shape is because the light source is out of focus and is caused by the triangular iris in the camera.
So youre saying the US navy is just dumb then, this is equally funny to me
At what capacity the Navy as a whole is even involved in analysing this case? I very much doubt they have some open policy about providing all the radar data to whoever needs it for their UFO research. It's a video taken by someone on the Navy ship which was sent to this UAP task force. That's the only confirmed info. For all we know a person made a mistake by improperly setting focus and thought he caught something incredible. Went to his superior who was like "Whatever, we will send it to those UAP guys, they can make of it what they want".
Have you even looked into the whole AATIP led by Elizondo? Judging by him they are hardly experts in any relevant field which would be useful in analysing these videos. It was funny when the video they named GoFast was proven to be an object moving rather slow. And it was done by the so called "armchair experts" who simply read the numbers and did some simple math. So yeah, I wouldn't put much trust in this UAP task force. They might just be some inept guys who hardly know anything about optics, triganometry.
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INC
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So someone on a navy ship.......would be........? Assume someone of rank and in the military, so this person can't identify a standard plane, using a nightscope. So much so they send to UAP investigators. Now nor can the UAP investigators
Not looking good for US military and intelligence, if people indeed believe all these people can't identify a jumbo jet
If thats the case, as said before, this is equally funny to me, because the amount of incompetence needed is almost the entire chain of command, which again would be equally funny.
I mean, go read about cases of Navy ships colliding with each other or civil vessels. That's ineptitude on the highest levels. Military is not NASA. You think they recruit the brightest people?
INC
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The brightest of people may not of filmed it, but thats not where it stops, is more my point
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Airola
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And there's always the possibility of someone taking advantage of the situation, wanting to have a bit of fame within his peers of being the guy who might've seen an alien ship. He would exaggerate what he saw or maybe he knows it's just a camera focus thing or whatever but decides to pass that footage as evidence of something else than what it is. Then maybe the ones who get the video for investigation only have that video to go with and it just doesn't come to their minds that it could be a camera thing like that. Or maybe it's something that they're embarrassed to admit they were initially wrong about and that's why they either don't want to show it or they would go all-in with their initial claim. There's so many possible explanations before going for foreign or domestic secret army tech, let alone extraterrestrial aliens.
INC
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In this case of a shit nightscope, with an out of focus object, yeh that all seemed more likely
Chiggs
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It is a plane.
The flashing matches exactly the ones from a commercial airplane.
The triangular shape is because the light source is out of focus and is caused by the triangular iris in the camera.
It is called a "bokeh effect".
That's nice, but there were other clips, too.
Shadowplay1979
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What were the other clips, most of what the Pentagon has come out with is easily debunked by basic science. It doesnt mean the navy is dumb, it means they didn't really care and thats why they ok'd saying they are not sure they know what it is....because anyone with 30 seconds on their hands can tell the triangle is a bokeh effect. Unless you think aliens are flying around using a very common airplane light blinking pattern. The other two triangles arent even moving because they are just stars...thats also why they are duller. I didnt even need to have it debunked, the first thing i thought of when i saw the video was "uh thats just a plane why is the govt trying to pass this stuff off as ufos"..which i think is more concerning. I think that goes a long way to showing how peoples first reaction to something is how much they want to believe in it.
And i really really do want to believe, i want to believe in our lifetime that UFOs will be revealed to be high tech, not because i even worry or care about aliens, but because it would allow us to explore the galaxy...because it would prob increase our medical tech. Maybe all these back and nerve issues ive developed over the last year from working indoors can be fixed.Maybe we can stop children from dying of horrible diseases, maybe we can stop dying But No aliens are coming to save us , theres no intergalactic saviors, we have to do this on our own.
Yes i know there are the words of Fravor and others from the "inside" and i believe they believe what they are saying and maybe its true....but not a single piece of data or image has been released that shows anything compelling. Release all these photos and radar data i keep hearing about then. Show us these videos of white bubbles flying into the water, show us closeups of giant triangle ships right outside the window of your jet. Lets see if June brings us nothing but more childrens party balloons out of focus.
There are no other clips regarding this particular case of "pyramid" UFOs. 2D triangles all the same size and aligned the same way relative to the camera. Textbook bokeh.
Romulus
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The idea that a navy collision somehow reflects to the entirety of their information pipeline is ridiculous. They have dedicated intelligence centers on land that have nothing to do with ships navigating ports. And the us navy is massive and is patrolling around ports filled with other ships 24/7 365 for almost 100+ years nonstop. You would think collisions would be more often actually.
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Romulus
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Be specific as to why you think they're not qualified? Actual evidence. Because naming something based on a short video when they clearly said what we've seen is just snippets. Are you eluding that you have all the available data to make a conclusion?
Of course you would believe armchair guys when it's likely they only saw a small % of the actual full spectrum of data.
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Torrent of Pork
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The difference between a society with the tech for interstellar travel compared to us would be the same as current day tech suddenly meeting neolithic man, probably more. Honestly I wouldn't worry about it, if it's mundane then it's nothing, if it's friendly then we're all in for a wild ride, and if it's hostile there really isn't much we can do about it.
INC
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Well if theyre hostile, and we've been seeing these things for decades/centuries, why attack now? Wouldn't it of been easier when we couldn't even fly, or fire a weapon other than a bow and arrow
If any of it is true of course
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StormCell
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Wow, after 37 pages of discussion I wouldn't have expected to see anyone say this. Did you skip the thread to get straight to posting? I know on at least one of the pages is cockpit footage of a "boulder" spewing some sort of ultra hot gas cloud while soaring through the sky at a velocity we can't come close to matching. We couldn't pace it let alone approach it.
They have it on visual.
They have it on radar.
They can see the heat emitted from the thing.
It looks nothing like any aircraft known to man.
If it were a hunk of rock from space grazing our atmosphere, I'm sure there would be evidence to match that scenario. It is thus not easily debunked.
And then you come along and make this post. Explain how this happened. I understand if you don't trust the source, because that's defendable.
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V4skunk
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It is a plane.
The flashing matches exactly the ones from a commercial airplane.
The triangular shape is because the light source is out of focus and is caused by the triangular iris in the camera.
It is called a "bokeh effect".
Planes don't hover in the air then accelerate to 14,000mph in a second.
StormCell
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Wouldn't it make sense that if we on earth have matured to a point where modern nations almost never go to war with each other that a much more advanced society would find value in toppling others without the use of weapons. Imagine what sort of value earth could hold. Do you totally replace the inhabitants of that world or do you set them up to do what you want them to? That assumes that a space-faring civilization could have some need of us.
This is postulating an unfriendly race. Conspiracy theorists have long mused ideas of hybrids who would guide the human race onto a course of eventual replacement by hybrid humans while the earth becomes governed to serve an alien purpose and eventually become an alien world.
Wheeljack539
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I can't be the only one shaking my head about this thread:
www.neogaf.com
I mean, going through the UFO stuff not only have I read about the different Secret Space Programs but the super soldiers associated with them. And a number of those are sent to fight, get this, several Reptilian species that are also on Earth but mainly underground.
It's supposedly a mix of all three. We are a contested world that's been "defended" by the Galactic Feds mentioned by the Isreal MoD's former space director Haim Eshed several months back. The odd thing is that I hear that what they like are deals/treatys as such things can bypass the law abiding Feds and that they do have a variant of Star Trek's Prime Directive. And the treaty stuff ties in to what Eisenhower signed to the "negative" species of Grey and Reptiles who promised tech but barely gave scraps.
U.S. Military/Space Force - Technology to Create Superhuman Workforce - Cyborg/Augmented Humans a Necessity within Next Decade
Perhaps the Most important piece of News in all of Human History to date - Begun, the Superhuman Augmentation Arms Race has. https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/29/us-space-force-scientist-says-military-human-augmentation-necessary-14493027/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.link Dr. Joel Mozer...
I mean, going through the UFO stuff not only have I read about the different Secret Space Programs but the super soldiers associated with them. And a number of those are sent to fight, get this, several Reptilian species that are also on Earth but mainly underground.
It's supposedly a mix of all three. We are a contested world that's been "defended" by the Galactic Feds mentioned by the Isreal MoD's former space director Haim Eshed several months back. The odd thing is that I hear that what they like are deals/treatys as such things can bypass the law abiding Feds and that they do have a variant of Star Trek's Prime Directive. And the treaty stuff ties in to what Eisenhower signed to the "negative" species of Grey and Reptiles who promised tech but barely gave scraps.
ManaByte
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UFO Fragments Likely Are In Lockheed Martin’s Possession, Says Ex-Sen. Harry Reid
Former Nevada Senator Harry Reid has claimed that defense contractor Lockheed Martin might have had fragments of a crashed UFO in its possession.
deadline.com
Chiggs
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Well, I guess that settles it. Someone on GAF closed the case. Nevermind that multiple credible sources are indicating that the report scheduled for delivery to Congress in June will provide evidence that is quite overwhelming.
Meanwhile, back in reality:
4/30/21 (NY Post)
Luis Elizondo indicating that the stuff he's seen essentially demonstrates vehicles going 8, 9, 10,000MPH in atmosphere, with some going as fast as 15,000MPH, with structural integrity that defies anything known to man, evident by repeated demonstrations of transmedium travel.
Also of note, a Department of Defense official to Elizondo: "These things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them."
4/30/21 (Fox News)
Last clip basically features Tucker Carlson exploring the "drone" theory, with Nick Pope basically shooting that down immediately.
UFO Fragments Likely Are In Lockheed Martin’s Possession, Says Ex-Sen. Harry Reid
Former Nevada Senator Harry Reid has claimed that defense contractor Lockheed Martin might have had fragments of a crashed UFO in its possession.
Sorry,
ManaByte
, but
Shadowplay1979
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M
MadAnon
have really just debunked the whole thing. Rumor has it that one of them owns a DSLR and knows what bokeh is!Woweee!
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Shadowplay1979
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Well, I guess that settles it. Someone on GAF closed the case. Nevermind that multiple credible sources are indicating that the report scheduled for delivery to Congress in June will provide evidence that is quite overwhelming.
Meanwhile, back in reality:
4/30/21 (NY Post)
Luis Elizondo indicating that the stuff he's seen essentially demonstrates vehicles going 8, 9, 10,000MPH in atmosphere, with some going as fast as 15,000MPH, with structural integrity that defies anything known to man, evident by repeated demonstrations of transmedium travel.
4/30/21 (Fox News)
Last clip basically features Tucker Carlson exploring the "drone" theory, with Nick Pope basically shooting that down immediately.
Sorry,
Woweee!
The fact of how defensive you get to anyone trying to explain things in a logical manner...is all you need to know about yourself in regards to how you will sheepishly cling to what you believe.
I would LOVE to be wrong and i dont say that i'm right. If i show you a picture of a blurry cow and tell you over and over again its a an alien horse and your simple assessment based on logical conclusions is that it is a cow but i conclude that the "experts" have said they dont know what it is there fore your claim that its just a cow is just you refusing to open your mind, you would think i was a nutcase.
this is my most read thread, its obvious i like the subject matter, if i see things easily explained, and really with whats been released its not hard to i am not gonna hold my breath and tap my shoes together for aliens and neither should you. If your first reaction to anyone debunking is to get angry at them and try everyway to prove them wrong with whatabouts and itnotlikethats then you are not helping you come to the reality of the conclusion and thats all i care about.
Its really easy , just release actual data and lets see if they do that in June. Not "but the pilots have it on radar and have all the radar data" ..ok then show us. When they release more information i will make an assessment based on that information and not start jumping down some of the million species lizard people space nazi rabbit holes some people here seem to be easily led into.
If however its just jeremy "Buy my Book" Corbell just talking about how important this is again and then showing a blurry image of a dot or some drones flying overhead ...or hell..ive seen people in here get excited of a video that clearly showed the good year blimp. "If it was the good year blimp do you think people would have stopped their cars and got out and tghought it was a UFO" yes...just read this thread
Shadowplay1979
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You seem to be combining 3-4 cases together to try and make a point. Lets break it down.
They have it on visual.
Then show us more then blurry out of focus images that can easily be explained away as light refractions or bokeh effects.
They have it on radar.
Then release the radar data and let us break it down ourselves
They can see the heat emitted from the thing.
again different cases have different heat and nothing has clearly show much of anything that cant be explained..this goes into release the data
It looks nothing like any aircraft known to man
I agree i havnt seen lots of blurry dot aircraft made by people.....wheres the giant triangle craft outside the f18 window? all we got was a tiny batman balloon
show us....and please spare me with the "if they show you you wont believe anyway". Show us an image
again, i LOVE this shit, but im not gonna dive headfirst into heresay or a select few people who are mirroring lines. i dont think you understand I WANT TO EAT CROW about this, but you gotta provide the bird first
Chiggs
Gold Member
Wow, big man throwing out the sheep insults. I'd better be on my A-game, as I'm clearly dealing with a superior intellect here!
Some general observations:
1. Your explanations aren't convincing.
2. Bokeh isn't some sort of gnostic art that only mystic sages--or better yet, NeoGAF blowhards--understand. Shocking!
3. Some of the posts after your Bokeh Bonanza were essentially, "HURRRRRR DEEE DURRRRR, THE NAVY IS FULL OF DUM DUMS!" Because we all know, there's not one smart person in the entire Navy, no sireee!
4. The sheer amount of stuff coming out now, by credible witnesses, is starting to make typical hand-waving and goal post moving even more desperate.
5. The idea that these things are drones from China or Russia doesn't pass the sniff test, but don't tell that to people in this thread that say brilliant things like, "they don't scream alien to me."
6. It has been stated repeatedly that there are other pics and videos of the triangle crafts coming in the report to Congress in June.
I don't personally like Corbell, but that's what we've got until June.
Ladies and gentleman, Shadowplay. The man who understands bokeh, doesn't think military officials, intelligence officials and fighter pilots know a goddamn thing, and absolutely cannot understand how something that moves so fucking fast and disappears in a second might be hard to capture on video.
I guess there's the report due to Congress in June, but I'm sure that won't be good enough for you, either.
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Shadowplay1979
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that made laugh so hard, so defensive, lemme get my kids gloves on
1. i didnt explain anything, lots of other people already did before me. I saw a video and saw it for what it was...and im pretty sure if you saw that nightvision video without being told it was "triangle aliens" you too would have just seen a blurred out plane or drone light.....what makes more reasonable sense? Its not about being right or wrong or what you want or dont want....its about what something is or isnt..and all signs point to the simple solution.
2. no one said it takes mystic sages to understand bokeh...thats kind of the point.
3. A bonanza is 1 to 2 lines about something?
4. Theres a lot of stuff but look how its being filtered by a few people who have been into this stuff for a long time...your Harry Reids etc. Its starting to look more like a runaround then a big reveal.
5. I never said that
"Ladies and gentleman, Shadowplay. The man who understands bokeh, doesn't think military officials, intelligence officials and fighter pilots know a goddamn thing, and absolutely cannot understand how something that moves so fucking fast and disappears in a second might be hard to capture on video."
Ladies and gentleman, Chiggs. the man who doesnt think people who study math and physics and telemetry and aircraft knows a godamned thing because they debunked something he wants to believe in. See i can make ultra defensive statements too instead of just being reasonable =)
I worked in the goverment for ten years, i interacted with intelligence people often. The government is filled with morons and egos, its amazing anything gets done at all. I wouldnt be suprised if half of this stuff is jokes that have gotten out .....really you know that scene at the end of Lost Ark....that warehouse is pretty close to the mess of the government.
6. It has been stated repeatedly BY ME that i look forward to seeing that,wether its good enough for me depends whats in it...shouldnt it be the same for you?
If this all turns out to be nothing, i dont care and i dont care if ends up being nothing...but will YOU accept that? If it turns out to be real..then that would be amazing . I dont understand why anyone wouldnt want to approach everything from a cautious logical angle.
infinitys_7th
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I always liked Chris O'Brien's parallel description of events, separate from George Knapp and the all the Bigelow people:
It's basically the same, but he was one of the original people involved in investigating it and was talking with the Shermans during the strangeness. His perspective is rarely discussed because of Knapp and Bigelow. He also links it more into the Uintah Basin, which extends a lot of the Sherman Ranch stories over a large area. Turns out that the ranch was really not anything special, but just had non-Native Americans on it who would actually openly talk about the weird shit they saw (and arguably hyped it up to sell it to Bigelow), unlike the local Ute population.
Reservations don't talk about stuff like this, as I've had experience with from stories from the Cherokee NC reservation - they believe that talking of these things give them power or angers entities, or just that it should not be shared with outsiders. You can hear some crazy stuff if you know the right people, though. Someone I knew had an elderly friend in Cherokee who insisted that the "little people" brought her food during the big blizzard in '93.
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INC
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Having 60-70 years of bullshit doesn't help the matter
Look at project blue, just a massive joke of study
Also shadow play, what about countries like France who released their UFO documents and cases, and their own version of blue book, who concluded that some case are of the ET theory (most likely conclusions)
Same with other countries like Russia, are they all bullshit too? Are they all in it to hide US military drones? Why would they do that?
Or are all countries in on it now? That doesn't make much sense does it.
I get your skepticism, and honestly I am too, you have to be with this subject because if 1 case is 100% true, then that changes everything, and it looks like we have more than 1 case, across multiple country's, spanning decades
Whys it always a blurry picture, well you have fighter jet footage, thats a on a multi million dollar aircraft with thermal imaging and its still blurry, are u suggesting the navy should upgrade to a iPhone 12 camera or some shit lol
I will say I'm very skeptical of the info being released
But let's see what it is, they keep saying they have lose up images and video, and thats what everyone keeps asking for, so let's see
But what would convince you at this point? I mean u seem to of planted your flag firmly, so unless they land and wave, I dint think you'll accept anything will you? (Genuine question)
Look at project blue, just a massive joke of study
Also shadow play, what about countries like France who released their UFO documents and cases, and their own version of blue book, who concluded that some case are of the ET theory (most likely conclusions)
Same with other countries like Russia, are they all bullshit too? Are they all in it to hide US military drones? Why would they do that?
Or are all countries in on it now? That doesn't make much sense does it.
I get your skepticism, and honestly I am too, you have to be with this subject because if 1 case is 100% true, then that changes everything, and it looks like we have more than 1 case, across multiple country's, spanning decades
Whys it always a blurry picture, well you have fighter jet footage, thats a on a multi million dollar aircraft with thermal imaging and its still blurry, are u suggesting the navy should upgrade to a iPhone 12 camera or some shit lol
I will say I'm very skeptical of the info being released
But let's see what it is, they keep saying they have lose up images and video, and thats what everyone keeps asking for, so let's see
But what would convince you at this point? I mean u seem to of planted your flag firmly, so unless they land and wave, I dint think you'll accept anything will you? (Genuine question)
StormCell
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Nope. I'm referring to just one specific case. It's well known and everyone else knows which one. It's a video that was released a little over a year ago. That you even mentioned bokeh again is already a fail. Good luck.
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I feel you know about Corey Good's *story*
If not, try to find at least the first season of Cosmic Disclosure from Gaia, it's entertaining in the least.
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infinitys_7th
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Goode is from the definite charlatan side of ufology, basically a modern contactee. He's a whole different animal from anyone around Skinwalker Ranch. The Paracast has done several episodes talking about the issues around him. I'd give this one a listen:
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Goode is from the definite charlatan side of ufology, basically a modern contactee. He's a whole different animal from anyone around Skinwalker Ranch. The Paracast has done several episodes talking about the issues around him. I'd give this one a listen:
Thanks bro. I'll give it a listen.
Btw, let me ask you, did you listen to his experiences before or after hearing listings to these persons on this podcast you linked me to? Just curious..
You know how people in this field are, toxic AF. So much negativity and infights) the page you linked to was more about his agent and the way she made his experiences lead to a "cult" of believers which I'm sure he didn't mean to happen but as humans do decided to go with the flow (which I don't condone at all btw) so yeah. I saw that happening a long time ago and therefore took a step back. So if that podcast is just about that stuff I'll pass.
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V4skunk
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The two destroyers that crashed into cargo ships got hacked. Both ships had lost full control and very close to China no less.
You can read the reports. The captains didn't get charged for anything.
Wheeljack539
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He was one of the first I ran into almost two years ago and actually found the original postings he made before he went public due to that as I had heard about Solar Warden in the mid 2000s. After that I ran into the stuff by Michael Sallas, David Wilcock and a few others. Prior to 2019 I'd every so often kill time looking at ufocasebook.com which I found nearly 20 years ago but its only really recent that I'd run into some of the bigger and more interesting stuff. Yeah, the stuff is pretty entertaining if a bit out there.
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I don't even know that specific case but oh man, imagine taking official reports at face value.. "bro it's the highest of the highest... it must be true!!!1. It said so right in the report! Why would they lie??"
Sigh
My apologies, got carried away, nothing personal whatsoever.
Nvm Carry on
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Chiggs
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4/30/2021
Extremely, extremely long read at The New Yorker:
www.newyorker.com
More "smart guy" debunkers being exposed as hapless dipshits:
And for the "smart guys" in this thread:
Large equilateral triangle? Probably just a bokeh balloon.
Extremely, extremely long read at The New Yorker:
How the Pentagon Started Taking U.F.O.s Seriously
For decades, flying saucers were a punch line. Then the U.S. government got over the taboo.
More "smart guy" debunkers being exposed as hapless dipshits:
And for the "smart guys" in this thread:
Large equilateral triangle? Probably just a bokeh balloon.
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Romulus
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I have no evidence either way, but I believe the triangle craft to be 'secret tech bro' of some sort. They're not moving in any way that makes me suspicious and the triangular shape just seems like a very human design. I could be wrong but the other cases are just far more compelling.
INC
Member
Well triangular shaped craft have been used by us for decades, nazis had a flying wing design at the end of the war, stealth were mis identify for years. So its not unreasonable to presume these "could" be ours, in fact thats a more likely situation.
Insane Metal
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Interesting stuff. But... where is the scientific evidence they gathered? "A team of experts which range from PhD in Physicis, Veterinarian, astrophisicists"... lots of state of the art equipment, they 'proved' the owners were right but they don't have any evidence to show.
As usual with this stuff.
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Chiggs
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You could, of course, be entirely right. But it's where this tech came from, that I think most people would question. And things moving at documented speeds of 15,000MPH along with exhibited transmedium travel doesn't make you suspicious? I guess you're privy to stuff the rest of us aren't?
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