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Sony cross-play documents with Epic/Dev's
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Heisenberg007
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That wasn't specifically for this scenario (crossplay). I was talking more in the general sense.
People grate Sony for timed exclusivity, deals for exclusive content, funding studios, not greenlighting sequels like Days Gone 2, not allowing VASG to continue remaking TLOU despite going overboard the budget constraints, etc.
I like cross-play, and I hope it happens across platforms and across all games. But it is also very easy to understand why Sony would want something in return. And many forget that it was Sony who first pushed for cross-play with PS3. But because MS was leading at that time with Xbox 360, they denied Sony's requests. But people still think Sony is the only villain in this cross-play debate.
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Calverz
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Stop derailing the thread. It doesnt matter who posted the info. Its come from the court case.He deleted all the twitter about the 9TF if I'm not wrong. Anyway I moderate the tone of my post but people like him literally destroy my nerves. I'd like to know where are all those ps5 journalist who acts like him because the Xbox front seems infested of such childish people. Thanks to God Spencer hate fanboy I guess just when they are Sony fanboy
JLB
Banned
Explain how crossplay means fuck their userbase.
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
Well one can argue wheter Cross Play is a good thing or not.
I would say it depends on the game.
As a mainly PC Gamer I don't mind crossplay in shooters.
Those are easy targets.
Maybe thats why Playstation executives didn't like the idea.
Having console gamers with their limited controls facing against highly skilled keyboard and mouse gamers.
On PC a player can even tweak the games configs, making more customizations, blending out vegetation in distance and so on to have an advantage in MP games. I've seen it all.
And lets not forget cheating issues.
So yeah while there are many games that wouldn't suffer so much from cross-play others would in my opinion.
I would say it depends on the game.
As a mainly PC Gamer I don't mind crossplay in shooters.
Those are easy targets.
Maybe thats why Playstation executives didn't like the idea.
Having console gamers with their limited controls facing against highly skilled keyboard and mouse gamers.
On PC a player can even tweak the games configs, making more customizations, blending out vegetation in distance and so on to have an advantage in MP games. I've seen it all.
And lets not forget cheating issues.
So yeah while there are many games that wouldn't suffer so much from cross-play others would in my opinion.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
Sounds like Sony.
assurdum
Banned
Why you quote me then if you won't "derail" in such argument? Ok I stay in. I'm disgusted. Fuck Sony. They are the new reincarnation of the evil. Probably Jim Ryan is the antichrist. No way MS would do this.
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Raphael
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Congrats for becoming an attorney
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
This all seems perfectly reasonable, both companies want to improve things for their userbase and are coming to a mutually agreeable position.
I wonder if this actually led to the higher level discussions where Sony tied it in to their investment with Epic, their agreement is bigger than just PlayStation and Fortnite.
I wonder if this actually led to the higher level discussions where Sony tied it in to their investment with Epic, their agreement is bigger than just PlayStation and Fortnite.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How much you want for it?
Coloress_Kafka
Member
The level of thirst in the email from Epic is damn near arousing, they had the knee pads ready!
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Theres something wrong when you see it as a platform winning, instead of the userbase on both places. Yes ps has the bigger networks of the two, but friends can have different platforms and we're not able to play together before.
And Sony wanted those two friends to not keeping to play together, unless one of them bought a PlayStation.
Thirty7ven
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Shits not a charity. Closed ecosystems. You can take your “it’s good for us” and put it in the same place where you can find “why aren’t there competing stores on Xbox/PlayStation? Why isn’t Gamepass on PlayStation and PSNow on Xbox” etc etc etc
Shits business. PlayStation garnered the biggest userbase, and by default has nothing to gain from helping other platforms prop up their numbers.
assurdum
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Lies about what exactly? What it has to do UE5 with this? Now I'm ready for the worst.Also sth else interesting for those that believed Sony’s/epic lies on unreal engine 5 and other stuff.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
But why did they change their mind?
SLB1904
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Thirty7ven
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Because they worked out the business side. Simple as.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
THANK GOD! Like come on guys. Why do these Xbox defenders think they can win the console war with business dealing leaks? None of this matters now that MS bought Zenimax for $8 billion!.
The Hamburglar
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Sounds shady if true. But at the same time I can’t stand Tom Warren.
He’s like a collection of the top 5 usual suspect Xbox trolls on gaf rolled into one. Usually peddling lies and fud.
He’s like a collection of the top 5 usual suspect Xbox trolls on gaf rolled into one. Usually peddling lies and fud.
jakinov
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They are trying to convince the platform with the most Fornite players to allow Fornite to connect with the other tens of millions of Fornite players. The reason Epic wants that is so that players are more connected despite their platform and are able to play with their friends, get more into the game and in turn hopefully engage into more microtransactions, merchandise, etc. Sony has something to lose in this situation and Epic needs to make a deal/case so that Sony is wiling to change their mind. They even say it themselves in the first image that they haven't heard a good reason on how it helps them to open cross-play.
Epic doesn't need to be neutral in the way that you are thinking. They are a business, they are going to do whatever helps their business and not never do things in their best interest just because the company they are making deals with is in competition with another. Epic has deals with everybody for all kinds of things. Epic used to go on Apple's stage to praise Apple's technology. They have done that with Microsoft too for Hololens and probably many more. They are neutral in the sense that they will do business with anyone if it makes sense for them. They just aren't neutral in the sense that they will pretend that everything is equal and refuse to make any deals with any one company because they have competition who is also a customer.
In regards to wanting what's good for players. There's a limit. If Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo really wanted to just to do everything that was best for consumer they wouldn't be releasing game exclusively to their platforms. Restaurants would be giving away recipes because it'd be great if everyone could try such great tasting food. People would be giving away patents. They are businesses, who will only do what's good for consumers to a certain extent if it helps their business. It's not too crazy.
CamHostage
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I would imagine Microsoft and maybe Nintendo got the same "look like the hero" letter (although Sony was in the biggest position of leverage.)
And it's basically how it worked out in reality: both Sony and Microsoft were locked in a cold war over the concept (meanwhile, both were exploring their own versions of cross-play security with PC products that played with their approved infrastructure.) Even in the discussions with Epic, Sony says it, "I was under the impression that there was no movement with Microsoft on cross-platform." Microsoft was the one who put on the cape (or took the bait, some analysts might say...), making Xbox a hero and PlayStation the villain in being slow and cautious/resistant to engaging.
Ultimately, it was the right thing to do for players, whatever the story about the backend business. The math on it, though, is really interesting, (and it's odd to see how Sony tried to actually put a cash value to the "loss",) and it will take more time than we've had to really understand the ramifications of these changes (this and the streaming/subscription gaming services battles will be this era's chapter in gaming history books.) Businesswise, I could see why Sony saw ceding ground here would have bigger repercussions than Epic's win/win sales pitch, and there are some play downsides to cross-play (it's funny that both "stupid Sony, cross-play is for the players" and "turn off f***ing cross-play!!" experiences are rife across GAF,) but even cold wars are wars, and Sony was a big loser in this war.
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Heisenberg007
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Smash it into pieces. Selling it isn't justice enough
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What's shady about any of it?
StreetsofBeige
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OK Sony. lol.
Never knew Sony has a side business being KPMG or Deloitte.
Never knew Sony has a side business being KPMG or Deloitte.
Ass of Can Whooping
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All these companies have their hands in chinese sweatshops and people still act suprised when they see a business is operating like a business
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DigitalScrap
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Epic and Sweeney, no doubt about it.
CamHostage
Member
Also, we're talking about a cold war where both sides are literally asking the battleground state in the middle, "[We hear the other side said no truce.] Has that changed?"
They cannot communicate, and so they cannot develop protocols that fit within their standards of play and options of what a proper cross-play experience would be. Are they connecting over PSN? XBLA? Can they see friends? Can they block offenders? How do mics work? How do you manage conversations and filters? Trophies/Achievements? Who patrols cheaters? What's the security system? Who gets named if somebody gets sued because a player interaction goes horribly wrong? That's all stuff that factored in. Granted, these are mostly P2P connections ultimately (and mostly, the developers/publishers footed a lot of that burden with their own services interfacing with each console platform online services,) but without being able to talk, none of the major parties involved got to set the rules. A console platform is made of rules; it's a place consumers come to because they have some kind of standards for rules about what successfully plays on the machine and how safe the interactivity is on it. The rules were there for a reason. And then, the rules went out the window.
So, that, but also, the money.
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Banjo64
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That’s such an audacious, and outrageous request, I can’t believe Epic or any other company would be willing to submit. They are not asking for a summary to be provided, they are asking to have access to the source data. Fucking weird man.OK Sony. lol.
Never knew Sony has a side business being KPMG or Deloitte.
MostScrumptionsYams
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The usual bitches are in here screaming already. Surprise corporations exist to sell you a product. They don’t exist out of good faith, and to give shit away for free.
They’ll do whatever it takes to get special deals and bonuses for their customers, especially if they are the top company in the space of entertainment that they reside in.
Now let’s see who will speak with their wallets and stop purchasing Sony products. So that they can “Stick it to them.” Or just continue to bitch and moan about how evil they are while buying Sony shit.
They’ll do whatever it takes to get special deals and bonuses for their customers, especially if they are the top company in the space of entertainment that they reside in.
Now let’s see who will speak with their wallets and stop purchasing Sony products. So that they can “Stick it to them.” Or just continue to bitch and moan about how evil they are while buying Sony shit.
DeepEnigma
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Something tells me most bitching and moaning, are not the one's who care or own Sony (PS) products.
StreetsofBeige
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It's a request some retailers ask suppliers (us) to tell. And it's a ploy to get details so they can adjust their store brand prices or use it to compare against other suppliers. The higher costs you have and lower profits, it shows the retailer they have a position of strength to bully you because they know you're desperate for sales. And for gaming, a platform holder knowing your platform split can use it against you.
Great idea retailer. Are you going to tell us your detailed PL too? No? Thought so. Fuck off.
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Banjo64
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Sounds like only one of us wants to bend over and take it like a bitch from a corporation
SlimeGooGoo
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Ass of Can Whooping
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I was trying to remember if there was another dev that accidentally turned on cross play. Only can see the war thunder devs complaining but think there was another.Think about the developers that dont have fortnite as leverage
Iced Arcade
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all the UE5 demo talk/hype makes more sense now.
They did that with UE4 and the PS4 and that pre-dates all this shit. So no, it doesn't.
MostScrumptionsYams
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Pathetic keep crying thoSounds like only one of us wants to bend over and take it like a bitch from a corporation
MostScrumptionsYams
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These clowns are gonna come on here and bitch, then go continue support other corporations that probably have similar agreements to this. That they have no knowledge about. There’s already a Hollerith dog hit by my precious post.
I don't think Sony working out a deal to add a royalty charge to disproportionate use of their infrastructure or playerbase is unfair, per say.
What disappoints me is that either they're the only ones doing that (which we can't confirm), or weren't willing to work out a deal sooner to allow cross play (what appears to be the case).
Clearly Nintendo and Microsoft came up with their own revenue sharing plans and/or greenlit crossplay a year (ish?) earlier than Sony for Fortnite, but Sony was unwilling to come to the table until much later with something in place.
What disappoints me is that either they're the only ones doing that (which we can't confirm), or weren't willing to work out a deal sooner to allow cross play (what appears to be the case).
Clearly Nintendo and Microsoft came up with their own revenue sharing plans and/or greenlit crossplay a year (ish?) earlier than Sony for Fortnite, but Sony was unwilling to come to the table until much later with something in place.
