sloppyjoe_gamer
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Doubtful it will be a slim model already......more like differently designed internals to get around (in some way) the component shortages that is making availability an issue.
6nm brings no power consumption reduction or perf boosts of its own; it's meant as a cost-saving node process.So does this mean thermals might change? As in not as an aggressive cooling solution? Or is this more or less just makes it easier to produce the chips with no real big change in overall internal or external design?
Can anyone chime in on this?
That's what she... definitely didn't say?Please don’t be big, please don’t be big…
This is clearly a move to counter supply chain issues. This isn't a planned redesign years in the making.You don't know what you're talking about.
There's no such thing as a rushed redesign in semiconductors. This would have been planned years ago.
Maybe at best 5-10% less max power draw, like PS5 can hit 200-210 W max, maybe this would drop it down to ~ 180-190 W max.So does this mean thermals might change? As in not as an aggressive cooling solution? Or is this more or less just makes it easier to produce the chips with no real big change in overall internal or external design?
Can anyone chime in on this?
Current PS5 design is just plain ugly.
This is clearly a move to counter supply chain issues. This isn't a planned redesign years in the making.
Ppl forget, but PS2 had a hw-revision in 6-8 months of release, and another one the year following. And that was just the start...And a certain group on Twitter is celebrating it, equating it with a failed PS5 design with bottlenecks that now need a redesign instantly Ah, good day and fun times! lol.
You're clueless.
It is impossible to redesign a processor, validate, tapeout and move to volume production, for a brand new fabrication process in the short time span between the PS5 launch and when this new chip is reported to come to market.
All this HAD to have been planned a couple of years ago for the 6nm APU to be ready for volume production in 2022. It takes years to design and manufacture a semiconductor part.
The fact that you're attempting to argue otherwise demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.
Changing a design to "cope" does not sound like a planned event.Totoki suggested Sony had means with which it could cope.
“For example, we could find maybe a secondary resource, or by changing the design we could cope,” the exec said.
A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.
Thank you. I was reading the first page and thought “I am insane in remembering revisions coming out sooner than 2 years”.Ppl forget, but PS2 had a hw-revision in 6-8 months of release, and another one the year following. And that was just the start...
PS3 was obviously even more aggressive with first revision arriving in under 6 months.
DSlite was around there too, Xb360 was 16 months etc.
Actually 2+ years is on the slow side for hw revisions so if anything it indicates a well balanced launch model...
You figured that from a thread with 3 pages?The most exciting thing about "next gen" seems to be the speculation of its hardware. Pathetic, isn't it?
I would say this is the most likely scenario, just a small revision, maybe including an all black option?This might not be a slim, just a 6nm version of the PS5.
Sony calls their launch units "1000" and slim models "2000." But for small updates they just go with 1100, 1200, or 2100 etc.
They might just have the exact same exterior but with a 6nm chip, and never even tell the public about it. Only thing that could differ a bit between the launch units and this is power draw. They'll probably keep making both 7 and 6 nm chips to increase production.
CFI-1000 = PS5 (7nm)
CFI-1100 = PS5 (6nm)
The CFI-2000 (slim) model might not come until 2023.
Fuck me it only just clicked but, if Sony are having trouble at 7nm to build stock imagine how bad it must be for microsoft with that chocker wide boi die size.
explains a lot about why we are seeing less series X in the wild.
No, Microsoft started later in Production. They also went with a much simpler design internally. Issue with Sony is because they went with a much more custom design with I/O and a chip that has weird clock speeds and voltage makes the yield of such chips harder on top of 7nm being the most used node right now for new products.
Microsoft is fine. They use standard cooling solution for their stack. Sony unfortunatley went with liquid metal cooling and custom sized cooling solution with the heatsink and weird SOC design. So because of that yields have to be really good, and when you make a batch from a wafer, sometimes you dont get good yields at trying to achieve those set clocks/specs.
Microsoft's setup is more straight forward. So getting good good yields is not as hard for their soc.
I thought we were up to 5? I really can't keep up.Can’t wait for the RDNA4 rumors to surface.
2. Why is nvidia releasing a 3080ti when any 30 series GPUs are unavailable? AMD keeps releasing cards you can't buy either.Because I say so. But really, come on dude.
1) 6nm is not enough of a process improvement over 7nm to justify a Pro. That would make the chip much bigger, worsen yields and the Pro prohibitively expensive.
2) Why on earth would they release a Pro less than 2 years after launch when they are nowhere near able to supply the current demand for the current model?
It's a smaller die that gets you more per wafer so they can increase production and cut costs. A cost cutting (less transistors means less parts for power draw) and volume boosting revision, like they do every gen.The PS5 is 7nm, not 5, so how will a custom 6nm process be cheaper?
Cool that a slim is coming so soon though.
So is it still Zen 2 and RDNA 2 based? Or will it be Zen 3 or 4? RDNA 3 isn't supposed to come out until end of 2022.
This might not be a slim, just a 6nm version of the PS5.
Sony calls their launch units "1000" and slim models "2000." But for small updates they just go with 1100, 1200, or 2100 etc.
They might just have the exact same exterior but with a 6nm chip, and never even tell the public about it. Only thing that could differ a bit between the launch units and this is power draw. They'll probably keep making both 7 and 6 nm chips to increase production.
CFI-1000 = PS5 (7nm)
CFI-1100 = PS5 (6nm)
The CFI-2000 (slim) model might not come until 2023.
It's a standard answer to a simple question. The current chip shortage dates far back to 2018. All this was planned out in advance. All console revisions are planned out in advance. They book fabs years in advance to production and for the entire duration of the generation including changing to smaller nodes. You don't have a product that lasts 7 years without having roadmapped how you are going to cost reduce or keep up with demand. It is not like smartphones that new versions come out every year.Changing a design to "cope" does not sound like a planned event.
noSo instead of a PS5 Pro they're making a weaker PS5
It will most likely be identical specs, size, and price. Its probably not gonna be a new design or cheaper, or a slim model, etc.ooooooooh I had a feeling this was gonna happen. Now I wanna wait for sure.
But if there's a new cooling solution, maybe smaller...then it may also be quieter, no?no
It will most likely be identical specs, size, and price. Its probably not gonna be a new design or cheaper, or a slim model, etc.
Had to google the current size after this post, haven’t seen it in real life, is this real??Please don’t be big, please don’t be big…
Highly doubt it would have any different cooling. Its already basically silent.But if there's a new cooling solution, maybe smaller...then it may also be quieter, no?
Nah.Any performance difference with the current one?!
The simple answer is... Yes. Yes it is.Had to google the current size after this post, haven’t seen it in real life, is this real??
Yes, it's pretty big.Had to google the current size after this post, haven’t seen it in real life, is this real??
Looks gigantic going by that pic. The original PS4 was kinda slim though so maybe it’s not as bad as it looks there.The simple answer is... Yes. Yes it is.
I saw the show model in a store and yes it’s is the lady dimitrescu of consoles!Had to google the current size after this post, haven’t seen it in real life, is this real??