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Romulus

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That's the other side of he coin. True.
But nowadays it will be extremely difficult to prove anything. With deepfakes, cgi and all type of fake news, I think I would need to see something on national tv to believe it :p or in person

lol, I've busted them posting clearly faked shit several times.
 

TheAdlerian

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It is healthy to be skeptical really.
Otherwise every idiot runs around on Joe Rogan podcast and tells "ufo stories"... again and again and again.
Randy offered million dollars and suddenly nobody could prove anything
I know NOTHING about what is real here.

At work my main job is to deal with people who are insane in some way or have been driven insane, so my main focus is "reality orientation" where we work at figuring out what is the most like real answer to life's questions.

I would LOVE it if UFOs were human technology. I would find it awesome and hilarious if something like Nordic aliens were real and they were superhuman advanced blonde people. I would laugh myself silly. If they were aliens, that would be over the top and just fascinating.

However, to avoid having outsiders install delusions in my brain, thus taking it over, I am going to practice skepticism first.
 

TheAdlerian

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I agree, it is healthy. But I also think most skeptics are just lazy. When you really question why they don't believe certain things, it usually turns out they don't even have most of the information.

And how do you prove anything for a million dollars? Let's say you have a literal alien body in your garage. Or a UFO in your backyard. As extreme and 'definitive' as those examples are, you can bet your ass there would be a host of debunkers that have "reasons" why it's all a setup even if it was completely true. "A humanoid hybrid, not alien." Or "The ship in your backyard is clearly a secret government craft." I mean it would just on and on with "experts" looking at the data with hidden agendas wanting to steer their narrative in their direction.

So all the guy has to do with the 1 million dollars is say "well my people are telling me something different, that this is a government problem to create alien lookalike creatures." It's a never-ending fallback and I know my example is extreme and would be harder to disprove, but you get the point.

The problem with even career debunkers don't have to be rational either. It's not much different from people on the other extreme that believe everything UFOs.
All of that is very illogical.

All religious stuff is ridiculous and honestly, only morons are going to believe any of it. The stories are absurd.

I always say that Santa could easily use magic to make adults believe he doesn't exist, that they go shopping, and so forth instead of him. But, no one entertains that idea for a second. However, they will entertain magic stories that benefit them in some way no matter how crazy.

When I was a little kid I realized that you can't have just one Lock Ness Monster or a couple bigfoot, you would need hundreds because that's how life works. Things need to reproduce.

However stupid people cannot see the massive holes in religious stories, the fact that dead religions were once believed in, other religions exist, and so forth. Just the same people will believe a giant monster lives in a lake.

UFOs are a little different because there's some possible and logical explanations, even involving aliens. However, religions are hoaxes or made up by insane people, which is worse. All cryptids are hoaxes made by people for money, typically. There are many science and medicine hoaxes and all of them sell people dreams and spread cynicism.

All of that bullshit is why no one seems to care about the government saying there's UFOS. Because they are tired of people telling them god cares about them, bigfoot is out there, the fairies are watching, and so on. Liars ruin everything.

On a professional note, I have known lots of people who died from Hep C. around 2014 a rock solid cure was developed and it's harmless. A patient of mine told me about it and I did massive research. Coworkers laughed at me and said it was nonsense and the patient who told me was crazy. Anyway, the drug came out, got instantly approved by all insurance, and cures Hep C amazingly.

It took months and months to spread the word about this stuff because people couldn't believe it. That's because people are used to lies about cures.

But, if you or your loved one has a disease, it's typically better to prepare to die than struggle with hope and disappointment for some med to work, then die disappointed. So, it's okay to be a skeptic unless you know from multiple solid reports that what you've heard is actual fact.

It is now IMPOSSIBLE to be skeptical of the Hep C med I talked about. If you are, it doesn't matter because it's just stupid.
 

TheAdlerian

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Idk, lots of rumbling, but I don't believe it until I see it.



I'm in, but after the last election, there was some "insider" saying that all election ballots were marked with a "blockchain" code to make sure they were authentic. Thus fake ballots would not have it.

That was a show on youtube and I was like, wow that's amazing news!

It was complete bullshit on some bullshit yortube show.

You can't get more cynical that that and I'm going to be waiting for the news release THIS MONTH as said in your video.
 
Men in black is pretty easy to explain, its just government agents, that I expect dont disclose what branch, that then turn to myth and shit sticks, like they wear black, well most government agents wear black, or blue or grey........just standard agent no doubt

Only thing I've seen thats even remotely interesting is this video



As for Mars moon guy, I'm gonna pass, sounds like utter bullshit


The hats aren't standard government uniform, though. A lot of encounters with them have them acting anachronistically, like they are from the 40s-50s, including in the cars they drive.

Could easily be part of a psy-op/intimidation factor of a government agency, although the strangeness in me wants to think that there is something more interesting going on, like some sort of phenomenon that "scanned" US culture back in the 40s-50s and is just kind of stuck projecting that aesthetic.
 

TheAdlerian

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The hats aren't standard government uniform, though. A lot of encounters with them have them acting anachronistically, like they are from the 40s-50s, including in the cars they drive.

Could easily be part of a psy-op/intimidation factor of a government agency, although the strangeness in me wants to think that there is something more interesting going on, like some sort of phenomenon that "scanned" US culture back in the 40s-50s and is just kind of stuck projecting that aesthetic.
That was a really fun video.

I love movies and the whole history of them. I have been shocked by how much effort J Edgar Hoover put into tracking various actors.

There are popular actors from that period that have like 3,000 page FBI files. They knew everything these people were doing.

We are talking about someone who played a cowboy in most movies and the characters were always men of honor. Burt Lancaster is one guy and he played great characters but he was like a homosexual rapist Weinstein guy in real life but also had a wife and several kids. The FBI knew everything he did in his spare time.

That's because they assumed his sexual perversion would come out somehow in antisocial movies, secret societies, and so forth. He would go to secret gay orgies, and then go home to the wife. If you wanted to work on his movies, no matter if you were a man or woman, you had to blow him, or whatever. He had the mentality of a stereotypical rapist prisoner from a movie. He ruled his work via rape.

I was mind blown to discover that as I love his movies and persona

Anyway, my point is, imagine if you're J Edgar Hoover and you get a report that someone is saying they saw a UFO. He was worried that a cowboy movie was somehow subversive so imagine his reaction to someone talking about aliens and spaceships. If Hoover didn't think it was real then he likely thought it was someone trying to introduce "thought cancer" into the public.

So, government agents showing up to scare people makes a lot of sense. Aliens showing up to scare people makes less sense as I would assume they would have other means of doing so based on the general reports about them.
 

TheAdlerian

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I have some bad news....


So, I was watching the Mellon and Elizondo guy and once again, I noticed the lack of urgency. In addition, Elizondo does the obsequious "honorable military guy" thing the public likes.

I have worked with military people for a long time and used live near an airforce base. I have always worked in psych with military guys and they are not typically that honorable. Of course, there are ethical and honorable guys, but I am not getting that vibe from him.

This is nasty, but true, he has a lot of tats and they're a sign of shallowness and personality disorders. Also, tats indicate high anxiety and the symbols you chose tend to be the opposite of how you feel. So, a depressed person will get a cute teddy bear. A coward will get a skull, etc. He has the statue of liberty holding a gun, which would indicate he's not patriotic. Also, he is fat which indicates nervousness, sloppiness, and a lack of regard for many things.

So, I decided to look up who he was, really.

Chuck Barris, Gong Show: This 70s gameshow host got fired, freaked out, then wrote a book that he was secretly a CIA hitman. The CIA can't confirm or deny agents and so I can say I work for the CIA if I want. The book was published and became a fun movie.

Mellon and Elizondo both worked for the government but no one can say if UFOs were related.

HOWEVER, THEY DO WORK FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY FOCUSED ON UFOS, BIGFOOT, ETC.

That's run by a guy from the band Blink 182 who realized it's hard to write good and meaningful songs but easy to talk bullshit and run around in the woods looking for an ape monster.

There's big money in this stuff because people are stupid and all you have to do is say stupid vague stuff to string people along. So, in your old job, you actually had to work, but in your new you just get paid for saying shit. It's the same thing as being a religious leader and is one of the oldest ways to make free money. Nietzche even talked about that, lol.

My bet is that ALL of this is to drum up support for NASA.

Buzz Aldrin, after Obama cut NASA funds started talking about "UFOs" and the moon of Mars, and similar nonsense and then talked about the need to fund space technology.

The reason Obama cut NASA funds is because space travel isn't really possible at this point and so we are dumping money into space agencies that can't produce anything. My bet that this current UFO focus is all part of trying to attack the problem of funding from multiple angles.

We are supposed to get earth shattering announcements ASAP and either I'm going to be dead wrong or right, depending on how definitive it all is. If it's not, it's what I just said.
 

Romulus

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TheAdlerian

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The article says he worked there but did he work with UFOs is the question.

For instance, drones you buy in the store could be a massive threat to US aircraft and offices.

On youtube I was a guy that attached a pistol to a drone he bought. If you used that or put a bomb on one, some average people could take out a lot of craft at an airforce base or assassinate people in their office. So, that department is obviously very important.

That does not mean UFOs.

Keeping track of what crazy people do with drones would be impossible and thankless. So, one might want to get into showbiz!
 

Romulus

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Romulus

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This is how it works. Deny and slander as well as destroy all records.

Yup. That's why it really doesn't matter what the government comes out and says, or what evidence they have. It'll just be a convenient conspiracy to fuel what people want to believe. Despite other nations literally saying the same things, no, in our case it means conspiracy in this special case. All the other nations are lying or "in on the worldwide conspiracy" somehow.
 
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TheAdlerian

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Literally, a US senator said the opposite. I don't know what else to say. Everyone is lying I guess. Conspiracy etc.
As I've said, no one is denying that he worked in that department but we have actual Earth based UFOs to be concerned about. So, the question is, what did he work on in that department?

If I got on TV I could talk for hours about the prison system and be right about a lot of what I have to say, however, I was not in charge of the prison where I worked. People would think I was though.

I worked with serial killers and stuff in there and I'll bet I could make a very good serial killer story that's fictional. When questioned I could say that my information is "confidential" and I can't give out too much, but....and make up lies.

If these guys were working for their own company and it was some kind of think tank or whatever, okay, but they are working with a pop singer who has a contract with the history channel.
 

Great Hair

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However, I don't like the constant attempt to make people sound stupid.
I agree, sadly it´s his "style".
How far away is the object in the sky without any surrounding points of reference vs the nearby tiller and tractor and trees in the background?

This is not a valid point of analysis.

Why would aliens even consider landing, exploring earth? If they were so advanced, what would they gain by visiting the blue planet? A field trip? Makes no sense. We live on a planet with the weirdest animals known. WE are the aliens.

If there were others out there, they prolly be as advanced as we are. Still figuring out how to fast travel thru space. We have cameras capable of capturing at 4K, yet every, literally every video shown has been shot using an atari vcs 2600.

Aliens had over 5 billion years time to explore, loot, farm our planet.
 
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As I've said, no one is denying that he worked in that department but we have actual Earth based UFOs to be concerned about. So, the question is, what did he work on in that department?

If I got on TV I could talk for hours about the prison system and be right about a lot of what I have to say, however, I was not in charge of the prison where I worked. People would think I was though.

I worked with serial killers and stuff in there and I'll bet I could make a very good serial killer story that's fictional. When questioned I could say that my information is "confidential" and I can't give out too much, but....and make up lies.

If these guys were working for their own company and it was some kind of think tank or whatever, okay, but they are working with a pop singer who has a contract with the history channel.
Are you trying to make a distinction between UAPs and "earth based" UFO's? The F stands for flying. They mean the same thing.
 

TheAdlerian

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This is how it works. Deny and slander as well as destroy all records.
It's not slander.

Mellon and the other guy WORK FOR a company started by a guy from Blink 182 who makes Bigfoot and UFO shows on History Channel.

History and Discover, etc have had a business model for about 20 years to make bullshit shows instead of documentaries.

If you were a legit person with the biggest secret in history, why would you get involved with that bunch?

It's not slander to point out that major public speakers in this story work for a cheesy reality TV company.

Just the same with Chuck Barris and the Gong Show being an unlikely front for a CIA hitman.
 

TheAdlerian

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Are you trying to make a distinction between UAPs and "earth based" UFO's? The F stands for flying. They mean the same thing.
I don't know what it means or what they mean. I do know they changed the name from UFO due to stigma, but all kinds of real life things fall under the term because of drones.

Store bought drones are more dangerous than "UFO" if they are real. So, what is this pentagon agency going to be focusing on?
 

TheAdlerian

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That video was good.

However, I don't like the constant attempt to make people sound stupid. There have been reports of UFOs of orb or cigar shape for centuries. I can't believe that whole towns of people saw some nonsense and all agreed they saw objecting flying, especially hundreds of years ago when there were no flying machines.

It is possible that a story started a thousand years ago can keep going though. Bigfoot is likely a Yeti which is a Tibetan spiritual being. Bigfoot is a Native American spiritual being. Native Americans came from Aisan 12k ago and I guess that story kept going. So, the same could be true of UFOs.

However, all the main players in current UFO stories aren't fools, they work for an entertainment company with the goal of making UFO shows.

So, it's like having a military guy advising for a Rambo movie.

The only serious question is how did this get in the covid bill that the government must confess about the subject. That's legit and real, so if these guys are fakes, they're doing a great job to promote their show, or whatever.
 
That was a really fun video.

I love movies and the whole history of them. I have been shocked by how much effort J Edgar Hoover put into tracking various actors.

There are popular actors from that period that have like 3,000 page FBI files. They knew everything these people were doing.

We are talking about someone who played a cowboy in most movies and the characters were always men of honor. Burt Lancaster is one guy and he played great characters but he was like a homosexual rapist Weinstein guy in real life but also had a wife and several kids. The FBI knew everything he did in his spare time.

That's because they assumed his sexual perversion would come out somehow in antisocial movies, secret societies, and so forth. He would go to secret gay orgies, and then go home to the wife. If you wanted to work on his movies, no matter if you were a man or woman, you had to blow him, or whatever. He had the mentality of a stereotypical rapist prisoner from a movie. He ruled his work via rape.

I was mind blown to discover that as I love his movies and persona

Anyway, my point is, imagine if you're J Edgar Hoover and you get a report that someone is saying they saw a UFO. He was worried that a cowboy movie was somehow subversive so imagine his reaction to someone talking about aliens and spaceships. If Hoover didn't think it was real then he likely thought it was someone trying to introduce "thought cancer" into the public.

So, government agents showing up to scare people makes a lot of sense. Aliens showing up to scare people makes less sense as I would assume they would have other means of doing so based on the general reports about them.

US military intelligence was definitely involved in the phenomenon - the Paul Bennewitz story is proof of that. Government agents were actually breaking into his house and moving his furniture around just to drive him insane because he was useful to disseminate disinfo in that state.



How far away is the object in the sky without any surrounding points of reference vs the nearby tiller and tractor and trees in the background?

This is not a valid point of analysis.
 
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I don't know what it means or what they mean. I do know they changed the name from UFO due to stigma, but all kinds of real life things fall under the term because of drones.

Store bought drones are more dangerous than "UFO" if they are real. So, what is this pentagon agency going to be focusing on?
If they can "identify" it as a drone then it would not fall under "unidentified".
 
It's basically a meme at this point about the blurry UFOs. The problem is most people don't understand how difficult it is to take videos or pics of objects moving high in the sky.

The "cameras everyone has in their pockets" are also complete and total shit at focusing on far-off, faint objects, especially at night. No focusing, you'll just get blur. It's not like seeing these craft is repeatable either - you can't throw out UFO bait and sit in a hide with camera ready and adjusted for the target distance. It's ascientific by default.
 

TheAdlerian

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If they can "identify" it as a drone then it would not fall under "unidentified".
That's not true.

Whose drone, what type is it, what's in it, what's it doing here, at night, what is it, etc.

In addition, Project Blue Book was real and they were looking to see reports of things were. If there was a report of a craft and it was a "plane" I doubt they just gave up and wanted to find out WHAT plane and why it was there.

Occasionally, there was cells of terrorists, typically Muslim, that they end up having an apartment full of weapons. So, if a drone is flying around the nuclear power plant is that Little Johnny and his dad or Abdul? The craft is unidentified until you find out.
 

TheAdlerian

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It's basically a meme at this point about the blurry UFOs. The problem is most people don't understand how difficult it is to take videos or pics of objects moving high in the sky.
I could never take an action shot with my phone camera.

Blurry photos or not taking any at all is perfectly acceptable give the typical encounters people have.

However, this current situation sounds like a bunch of retired military guys want to make a showbiz career and are taking it to the next level by using their credibility.
 
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Shodan09

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What the fuck happened to this thread? It used to be fun to read over a lunch break.
 

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I agree, sadly it´s his "style".


Why would aliens even consider landing, exploring earth? If they were so advanced, what would they gain by visiting the blue planet? A field trip? Makes no sense. We live on a planet with the weirdest animals known. WE are the aliens.

If there were others out there, they prolly be as advanced as we are. Still figuring out how to fast travel thru space. We have cameras capable of capturing at 4K, yet every, literally every video shown has been shot using an atari vcs 2600.

Aliens had over 5 billion years time to explore, loot, farm our planet.


I never said they were aliens - quite the contrary. That theory has nothing to do with the facts of the phenomenon.

The resolution nonsense has also been debunked. Cameras don't work like that - if you could point the best camera in the world at an object in the sky miles and miles away and take a picture of it, the image will still be blurry. Cameras have to be carefully focused for long shots, and self-focusing cell phone cameras are shit at it for far away objects. For example, I've tried recording the moon several times (eclipses, blood moon, etc.) with my phone, and the moon is always blurry. I guess I should be skeptical of the moon existing, by your logic.
 

INC

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I never said they were aliens - quite the contrary. That theory has nothing to do with the facts of the phenomenon.

The resolution nonsense has also been debunked. Cameras don't work like that - if you could point the best camera in the world at an object in the sky miles and miles away and take a picture of it, the image will still be blurry. Cameras have to be carefully focused for long shots, and self-focusing cell phone cameras are shit at it for far away objects. For example, I've tried recording the moon several times (eclipses, blood moon, etc.) with my phone, and the moon is always blurry. I guess I should be skeptical of the moon existing, by your logic.

You not heard the moon is a hologram, or hollow housing another race of creatures, hence why we dont go back there
 
You not heard the moon is a hologram, or hollow housing another race of creatures, hence why we dont go back there

The main reason we haven't gone back is that the tech isn't there to do much beyond just putting someone on the moon as a show. With how drone/rover/telescope tech has advanced, sending people out just to look around and bunny jump and do what the drones can do really isn't worth it.
 

INC

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The main reason we haven't gone back is that the tech isn't there to do much beyond just putting someone on the moon as a show. With how drone/rover/telescope tech has advanced, sending people out just to look around and bunny jump and do what the drones can do really isn't worth it.

I was joking (just incase anyome didn't get that......)
 

TheAdlerian

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What the fuck happened to this thread? It used to be fun to read over a lunch break.
I don't view this as a "fun topic" and if you do, you are a stupid person.

It's being reported on a national level, laws were just passed to make people disclose information about the topic, and the top guys reporting on it work for Blink 182 and the History Channel.

UFOs are either something extremely important or fake news generated by people trying to make cheap money. Either way, it's not something you talk about at lunch unless you're a child or fucking retarded.
 
Yeh I've seen the video of the dude saying we don't have the tech to go back, I think its just a poor choice of words on his part, rather than a mass conspiracy

The better way of putting it is just that we don't have the tech to make going back meaningful beyond the symbolic. The main reason to go back would be to establish a base, and IMO we aren't there yet. TBH, I think that all the treaties blocking countries from laying claim to the moon and mining resources hurt more than they helped, in that regard. That got rid of a benefit when countries do CBIs on whether to go or not.

I think a big driver in the future will be helium-3 mining, but we also don't have the tech yet to do that, and the anti-nuclear sentiment damaged the demand that could have driven engineering.
 

INC

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I don't view this as a "fun topic" and if you do, you are a stupid person.

It's being reported on a national level, laws were just passed to make people disclose information about the topic, and the top guys reporting on it work for Blink 182 and the History Channel.

UFOs are either something extremely important or fake news generated by people trying to make cheap money. Either way, it's not something you talk about at lunch unless you're a child or fucking retarded.

Yeh you view pilots saying they wanted to fly a UAP they observed, the same as an allied soldier wanting to wear a nazi ss unifrom.....

So i can see exactly why u don't see this as a fun subject
 

TheAdlerian

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Yeh you view pilots saying they wanted to fly a UAP they observed, the same as an allied soldier wanting to wear a nazi ss unifrom.....

So i can see exactly why u don't see this as a fun subject
That is a good analogy.

If what they are reporting is real it's the biggest threat to national security imaginable.

Foreign craft ARE NOT ALLOWED in our airspace so no matter what they are they are doing something an enemy would do. So, I don't know what's so hard to understand about people in top military jets being extremely serious about craft invading US airspace.

The focus ought to be extremely serious and not viewing it all as fun or interesting.

Hey, Nazi guy, who's your tailor, is something no one has ever asked.
 

INC

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That is a good analogy.

If what they are reporting is real it's the biggest threat to national security imaginable.

Foreign craft ARE NOT ALLOWED in our airspace so no matter what they are they are doing something an enemy would do. So, I don't know what's so hard to understand about people in top military jets being extremely serious about craft invading US airspace.

The focus ought to be extremely serious and not viewing it all as fun or interesting.

Hey, Nazi guy, who's your tailor, is something no one has ever asked.

..........I give up

Jog on
 

TheAdlerian

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..........I give up

Jog on
You don't need to do anything.

We are talking about the logic of a topic that has nothing to do with us personally.

However, this topic has the potential to affect a lot of people psychologically. It's very important to be prepared so as to not be used by individuals outside of those who care about us.
 

TheAdlerian

Banned
The supposed mass release of ufo documents is a meme, have been hearing that for years:
I don't know if you know, but several months ago in the covid relief bill it was made law that the government must release UFO information about what they are.

So, what the hell is that?

Is it some kind of History Channel hoax to make the government do something and it's worked or is it important. Some politician was concerned enough to make it a law that must be complied with by June. So, either they got tricked or people are genuinely worried.
 

Bitmap Frogs

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I don't know if you know, but several months ago in the covid relief bill it was made law that the government must release UFO information about what they are.

So, what the hell is that?

Is it some kind of History Channel hoax to make the government do something and it's worked or is it important. Some politician was concerned enough to make it a law that must be complied with by June. So, either they got tricked or people are genuinely worried.

im just saying, I’ve been hearing this for decades
 
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Shodan09

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I don't view this as a "fun topic" and if you do, you are a stupid person.

It's being reported on a national level, laws were just passed to make people disclose information about the topic, and the top guys reporting on it work for Blink 182 and the History Channel.

UFOs are either something extremely important or fake news generated by people trying to make cheap money. Either way, it's not something you talk about at lunch unless you're a child or fucking retarded.
So because you don't find it fun, nobody else can? And if I disagree with that I'm a child or fucking retarded?
 
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