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[Black_Stride]

If you think that stings, look at the 2TB price. It's more than the digital PS5.

Literally made my eyes water when I saw how much a 2TB drive costs.
Fucking hell thats absolutely crazy...legit could get another PS5.

Those drives can't sustain those speeds for very long and they lack the I/O optimizations of the PS5 driver's controller.

You what love?
So whats the slot for?
We have all but saturated PCIE4.
PCIE5 is on the horizon with Alderlake later this year.
Manufacturers arent gonna keep squeezing more out PCIE4 just for the PS5.
So we need to wait for Sony to enter the NVMe SSD market before that slot can be used for games?

P.S Im going to save this post for when Sony finally unleashes the NVMe update and every single one of these drives is compatible.
We'll see if you are still about.

 

[01011001]

Literally made my eyes water when I saw how much a 2TB drive costs.
Fucking hell thats absolutely crazy...legit could get another PS5.

You what love?
So whats the slot for?
We have all but saturated PCIE4.
PCIE5 is on the horizon with Alderlake later this year.
Manufacturers arent gonna keep squeezing more out PCIE4 just for the PS5.
So we need to wait for Sony to enter the NVMe SSD market before that slot can be used for games?

P.S Im going to save this post for when Sony finally unleashes the NVMe update and every single one of these drives is compatible.
We'll see if you are still about.

yeah people out here really think these drives can get faster...

if these newer ones don't work none will ever work period.

 

[rofif]

People are so crazy about this ps5 storage... what for? There is not much to put on there and ps5 games do not take that much space.
Just wait and be patient. you will have your chance to pay 300usd for 1tb of nvme soon

 

[MasterCornholio]

Right now there are only the Samsung and WD ones out that are 7. But Seagate is probably going to reveal theirs at that event. So that would be three.

Well I don't believe Sony would include a slot if it wasn't possible. They would have done something similar as Microsoft if they was a the case.

 

[ManaByte]

Literally made my eyes water when I saw how much a 2TB drive costs.
Fucking hell thats absolutely crazy...legit could get another PS5.

I LOVE mine though. Was worth the extra price.

 

[Elysion]

Sony should work with one of the SSD manufacturers and simply make their own official Playstation drives. I don‘t get why they decided to wait for 3rd party manufacturers to catch up, when they could be making money selling their own drives instead. They sold their own memory cards back in the day too, after all. 3rd parties can still sell their own drives when they are ready.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

They need to hurry up and at least give us a ETA.

 

[ManaByte]

Sony should work with one of the SSD manufacturers and simply make their own official Playstation drives. I don‘t get why they decided to wait for 3rd party manufacturers to catch up, when they could be making money selling their own drives instead. They sold their own memory cards back in the day too, after all. 3rd parties can still sell their own drives when they are ready.

Vita memory cards.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Sony should work with one of the SSD manufacturers and simply make their own official Playstation drives. I don‘t get why they decided to wait for 3rd party manufacturers to catch up, when they could be making money selling their own drives instead. They sold their own memory cards back in the day too, after all. 3rd parties can still sell their own drives when they are ready.

At inflated prices. But I don't have an issue with that if we can still get the drives from somewhere else.

The Vita memory cards was a bad experience for me.

 

[SLB1904]

 

[GHG]

The new Samsung and WD Black Drives meet the spec so I’m not sure what the hold up is.

On paper the WD SN850 ticks all the boxes, not sure about the Samsung though, I'm not familiar enough with the controller they use to say whether it's sufficient or not.

Sony should work with one of the SSD manufacturers and simply make their own official Playstation drives. I don‘t get why they decided to wait for 3rd party manufacturers to catch up, when they could be making money selling their own drives instead. They sold their own memory cards back in the day too, after all. 3rd parties can still sell their own drives when they are ready.

No thank you.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

At the time they created and shipped the PS5 there were no drives available to test. They will now likely have to get manufacturers to create better controllers for their drives in order to match the performance of the one included in the PS5.

Complete nonsense. Cerny clarified that faster Drives can compensate it. So we look at 7gb read drives Like the Western Digital SN850 and Samsung Pro 980.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Are there any drives on the market that meet the requirements? If not, then there's your answer. Paper specs on PC drives don't really matter, as we don't know the tolerances required to be PS5 compatible.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Complete nonsense. Cerny clarified that faster Drives can compensate it. So we look at 7gb read drives Like the Western Digital SN850 and Samsung Pro 980.

Read speed is not the only specification that's important. Besides which, that's just sequential read. We never got a random read speed for the PS5, which might be very different if they went with a custom controller. The assumption that the WD and Sammy drives work are purely based on speculation.

 

[GuinGuin]

Complete nonsense. Cerny clarified that faster Drives can compensate it. So we look at 7gb read drives Like the Western Digital SN850 and Samsung Pro 980.

He said faster drives should compensate but he didn't say how much faster they would need to be and there literally were no drives fast enough at the time he made the comment. Clearly they need to be even faster to keep up with the advances of the PS5 drive which go well beyond peak speed and include sustained speeds as well as priority levels and other architecture improvements.

 

[ManaByte]

Are there any drives on the market that meet the requirements? If not, then there's your answer. Paper specs on PC drives don't really matter, as we don't know the tolerances required to be PS5 compatible.

They're probably just waiting for WD to have enough stock to release their Gen4 drive with "Game Drive" branding like they did for PS4 external HDDs and Xbox externals.

 

[IntentionalPun]

On paper the WD SN850 ticks all the boxes, not sure about the Samsung though, I'm not familiar enough with the controller they use to say whether it's sufficient or not.

Cerny implied the on-board PS5 controller will handle things.

There's no expectation of drives meant for PCs to have flash controllers with priority lanes that no software would use.

 

[IntentionalPun]

as well as priority levels and other architecture improvements.

These drives will not exist.. that "architecture" is part of the PCIE 4.0 spec, no drives are going to come out w/ extra priority levels.

Cerny said the PS5 would handle that, with it's own controller.

From the actual transcript:

for example the nvme
22:15
specification lays out a priority scheme
22:17
for requests that the m2 drives can use
22:19
and that scheme is pretty nice but it
22:23
only has two true priority levels our
22:26
drive supports six we can hook up a
22:29
drive with only two priority levels
22:31
definitely but our custom IO unit has to
22:33
arbitrate the extra priorities rather
22:35
than the m2 drives flash controller and
22:37
so the m2 drive needs a little extra
22:39
speed to take care of issues arising
22:41
from the different approach

All he said was "a little extra speed".

 

[Blond]

Sony should work with one of the SSD manufacturers and simply make their own official Playstation drives. I don‘t get why they decided to wait for 3rd party manufacturers to catch up, when they could be making money selling their own drives instead. They sold their own memory cards back in the day too, after all. 3rd parties can still sell their own drives when they are ready.

I’m good lol. SSDs like this will eventually keep dropping in price, it’s good for Sony and consumers and I’m sure eventually Sony will be using commercial OTS SSDs in the PS5 vs Proprietary SSD solutions where the only real option is the worst storage manufacturer on the planet.

 

[ManaByte]

These drives will not exist.. that "architecture" is part of the PCIE 4.0 spec, no drives are going to come out w/ extra priority levels.

Cerny said the PS5 would handle that, with it's own controller.

From the actual transcript:



All he said was "a little extra speed".

And by that the Samsung and WD should work fine and I'd assume the Seagate if their drive matches those (no reason it wouldn't).

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Complete nonsense. Cerny clarified that faster Drives can compensate it. So we look at 7gb read drives Like the Western Digital SN850 and Samsung Pro 980.

I want a heatsink and fan but I am not sure how I could rig the fan.

 

[MasterCornholio]

And by that the Samsung and WD should work fine and I'd assume the Seagate if their drive matches those (no reason it wouldn't).

Real question would be why would it be impossible?

These are actual hardware features they can get sued over.

Definitely they wouldn't have been marketing those features if it wasn't possible.

 

[Kerotan]

Because ps5 games are tiny. Upcoming ratchet only 30 something gigs. I might never buy one and just wait for the ps5 pro.

 

[SlimySnake]

Lots of hot takes in this thread. Some people believe they lied about supporting SSDs and VRR? This isnt Sony lying about believing in generations and not porting games to PC. These are actual hardware features they can get sued over.

They will come. We are only recently getting 7GBps SSDs, and even they dont have both read and write speeds at 7 GBbps. I am guessing sony is testing them against various different games in development to make sure 6-7 GBs is enough.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

And by that the Samsung and WD should work fine and I'd assume the Seagate if their drive matches those (no reason it wouldn't).

We have no idea of the overhead required for priority arbitration. At present, there's just not enough information to conclude one way or the other.

 

[IntentionalPun]

And by that the Samsung and WD should work fine and I'd assume the Seagate if their drive matches those (no reason it wouldn't).

Should.. 40% faster shouldn't qualify as "a little bit".. but obviously something is holding Sony back.

Considering how long it took them to get relatively basic external cold storage working for PS5, it could just be a software thing.

edit: To be clear, what I mean is.. those speeds HAVE TO suffice since they are the max of PCIE 4.0, so the assumption has to be it's a software issue, not a hardware one

 

[GHG]

Cerny implied the on-board PS5 controller will handle things.

There's no expectation of drives meant for PCs to have flash controllers with priority lanes that no software would use.

Yeh I read that it's been implied before but all consumer grade drives have an on-board controller that cannot be bypassed.

So ultimately we're looking at a controller <-> controller situation which would mean the standard of the controller on the external drive is the most important thing.

If the controller on these drives could be bypassed then pretty much all of the pcie 4.0 drives on the market would be compatible because the flash memory on all of them is quick enough.

 

[Black_Stride]

He said faster drives should compensate but he didn't say how much faster they would need to be and there literally were no drives fast enough at the time he made the comment. Clearly they need to be even faster to keep up with the advances of the PS5 drive which go well beyond peak speed and include sustained speeds as well as priority levels and other architecture improvements.

There will be no drives faster than the drives we have now.
We have saturated PCIE4 and the PS5 doesnt support PCIE5.

So these final batch of PCIE4 drives are what he was expecting with his knowledge of PCIE4.
THe update just hasnt come out yet.

It has nothing to do with needing even faster drives or priorities or whatever funny excuses you want to make.
The update just hasnt been released yet.

When Cerny made his talk PCIE4 drives were pulling about 4-5GB/s which indeed was too slow.
We have now made 7GB/s drives which are as fast as PCIE4 drives can get so these are the drives he was talking about.

Unless you think the PS5 secretly supports PCIE5?

 

[ManaByte]

Should.. 40% faster shouldn't qualify as "a little bit".. but obviously something is holding Sony back.

Honestly I think the only thing holding them back is WD probably wants to do the "Game Drive" branding like they did with the PS4 and with the chip shortage it'd be a disaster to try to launch that right now, especially with the 2TB more than the price of the system.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yeh I read that it's been implied before but all consumer grade drives have an on-board controller that cannot be bypassed.

So ultimately we're looking at a controller <-> controller situation which would mean the standard of the controller on the external drive is the most important thing.

If the controller on these drives could be bypassed then pretty much all of the pcie 4.0 drives on the market would be compatible because the flash memory on all of them is quick enough.

Yeah you are right I think; it's probably more of a piggy-backing situation.

Either way.. there's little reason to believe this is some hardware issue w/ the drives.. because we are seeing the PCIE 4.0 spec maxed out already.

So if hardware on drives have to change, it's going to be a Sony specific thing.. something proprietary and not mass market.

It's probably just a software issue.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Honestly I think the only thing holding them back is WD probably wants to do the "Game Drive" branding like they did with the PS4 and with the chip shortage it'd be a disaster to try to launch that right now, especially with the 2TB more than the price of the system.

It's Sony that has to finish the work.. not sure why you think WD would be what's holding anything back.

The drives are the drives.. they are out.. they max out the spec.

So it's in Sony's court now.

 

[ManaByte]

It's Sony that has to finish the work.. not sure why you think WD would be what's holding anything back.

The drives are the drives.. they are out.. they max out the spec.

So it's in Sony's court now.

The drives are out, but marketing and partnerships also factor in and if WD doesn't have the inventory to do a "Game Drive" retail release right now due to the chip shortage they could've asked Sony to hold off until they can support the update with product at retail.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

This gen is off to a rough start, that's for sure.

Delayed games, delayed features, etc...

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Current nvme are basically at the max of PCIe 4, what we waiting for?

 

[GHG]

Yeah you are right I think; it's probably more of a piggy-backing situation.

Either way.. there's little reason to believe this is some hardware issue w/ the drives.. because we are seeing the PCIE 4.0 spec maxed out already.

So if hardware on drives have to change, it's going to be a Sony specific thing.. something proprietary and not mass market.

It's probably just a software issue.

Yeh anything using the phison e18 should be good. If it turns out that those drives aren't compatible then they are fucked because I don't see where they go from there. Improving on the capabilities of the e18 would require jumping up to 5.0 spec.

 

[GuinGuin]

Sony tried to announce compatible drives but the fan noise prevented anyone from hearing.

Oof. Update your material. That's a last gen console warrior jab. The giant fan in the PS5 is whisper quiet.

 

[IntentionalPun]

The drives are out, but marketing and partnerships also factor in and if WD doesn't have the inventory to do a "Game Drive" retail release right now due to the chip shortage they could've asked Sony to hold off until they can support the update with product at retail.

That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Ulysses 31]

This gen is off to a rough start, that's for sure.

Delayed games, delayed features, etc...

Delayed availability...

 

[Bo_Hazem]

If you're like me and you have a handful of games on your PS5, you've probably already reached the limits of what you can store. I downloaded CoD Black Ops, Warzone, Demon's Souls, and a handful of PS4 games, and that was enough to fill the storage completely.

That said, why has Sony not spoken a word about the M.2 slot inside the PS5 yet? With the number of new PS5 games steadily trickling in, storage is becoming an increasingly larger issue for the space-limited SSD.

The new compression techniques seem to be working great, with the latest Ratchet & Clank coming in at around 30GB, but many cross-gen games are just as large as ever, and the onboard storage can't keep up. And the fact that Sony hasn't said anything about the storage slot for this long is concerning, especially since we haven't even heard that it's something they're currently working on as well as when we can expect it to be functional.

Do you think this lack of communication from Sony isn't a big deal at this stage, or are you also concerned about where they are going with this proposed feature?

When SSD manufacturers make sustainable speeds and comparable performance. PS5's SSD is just ahead of the curve.

 

[blastprocessor]

Busy working on VRR

 

[Ulysses 31]

Current nvme are basically at the max of PCIe 4, what we waiting for?

There's still some headroom, 8 GB/s is the absolute max and only the PNY XLR8 CS3140 comes close with its 7.5 GB/s so far.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Because ps5 games are tiny. Upcoming ratchet only 30 something gigs. I might never buy one and just wait for the ps5 pro.

I plan on buying one and bringing it with me for my Pro.

 

[Bryank75]

They're too busy porting games to PC, setting up the new mobile studio and pushing PSNow subscriptions....

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

We need to consult the Book of SSDborn

We have now made 7GB/s drives which are as fast as PCIE4 drives can get so these are the drives he was talking about.

Wait, we now have consumer SSDs with 7 Gbs?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Honestly I think the only thing holding them back is WD probably wants to do the "Game Drive" branding like they did with the PS4 and with the chip shortage it'd be a disaster to try to launch that right now, especially with the 2TB more than the price of the system.

Prices would eventually come down and I doubt Sony is looking to make the solution limited to one manufacturer. That wouldn't be good because it would jack up the price like the Seagate drive on the series consoles.

 

[IntentionalPun]

When SSD manufacturers make sustainable speeds and comparable performance. PS5's SSD is just ahead of the curve.

That's not really the issue; something like a 980 Pro can sustain really close to it's advertised read speeds, around 6.5 GB/second outdoing the PS5 by quite a bit.

Either Sony is finishing the software, or PCIE 4.0 drives aren't going to work, as the spec has been maxed.

So it's likely just Sony finishing the software/firmware.

 

[KAL2006]

I do wonder why some of you need ALL your games installed at once. Not saying you're wrong to want that, but I personally don't see the need. I only play 2-3 games at once, and reinstalling something doesn't take long (well, maybe if it's a 100+ GB COD game, but I don't play those).

I'm not the type of person who cares to have a my games installed. Especially with single player games I only play 1 game at a time. However there are games I like to dip in for a few games. For example I have Virtua Fighter 5, Street Fighter V, MK11, COD, Monster Hunter World, God of War, and a Lego game, Fortnite and Rocket League or kids go play. And I have to delete games, don't get me wrong it's not a big deal but I do sometimes feel I would have dipped in more games if I didn't have to download them. For example I had the urge to have a few games if Stat Wars Battlefront 2, I tried downloading it and I got the error message I have ran out of space, yes I could delete a game or 2 to make space but I know the games I need to delete I may have the urge to play those too randomly. So in the end I didn't bother with downloading Battlefront 2 as I only wanted a few games. The conclusion is having games readily available and installed makes you pick up games more often to poke around in.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Takes like 2 to 3 minutes for a 40GB game

He has that diplomat passport of owning PS5 that makes him your usual "neutral" to throw BS about PS5.

10Gbps USB 3.2 is 1.25GB/s which means 75GB in one fucking minute. They are here to just post shit.

You get this $26 adapter:

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Buy this 1TB 3.2GB/s NVMe SSD m.2 for $109.9:

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And your problem is solved. You want 2TB? It's $249.9.

There you have it, you can pull COD in less than 2 minutes.

 

[IntentionalPun]

He has that diplomat passport of owning PS5 that makes him your usual "neutral" to throw BS about PS5.

10Gbps USB 3.2 is 1.25GB/s which means 75GB in one fucking minute. They are here to just post shit.

Those aren't actually realistic speeds.. in real world that would take like 5 minutes.

Still not bad though.

If he has an HDD though that'll take like 20 minutes.

External SATA is probably the best price/performance ratio.

 

[MasterCornholio]

He has that diplomat passport of owning PS5 that makes him your usual "neutral" to throw BS about PS5.

10Gbps USB 3.2 is 1.25GB/s which means 75GB in one fucking minute. They are here to just post shit.

You get this $26 adapter:

Amazon.com: Sabrent USB 3.2 Type-C Tool-Free Enclosure for M.2 PCIe NVMe and SATA SSDs (EC-SNVE) : Electronics

Buy Sabrent USB 3.2 Type-C Tool-Free Enclosure for M.2 PCIe NVMe and SATA SSDs (EC-SNVE): Electronics - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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Buy this 1TB 3.2GB/s NVMe SSD m.2 for $109.9:

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Buy Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 Internal SSD High Performance Solid State Drive R/W 3200/2000MB/s (SB-RKTQ-1TB): Electronics - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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And your problem is solved. You want 2TB? It's $249.9.

There you have it, you can pull COD in less than 2 minutes.

I didn't know you could use the USB C port for that. I was thinking about getting a big external HDD but the transfer times might be really slow. Your solution definitely interests me.

If he has an HDD though that'll take like 20 minutes.

That also doesn't seem bad to me. It's not like I'll be constantly playing the console so I can always wait for it to transfer while I do something else. A HDD would be a lot cheaper than an SDD and it's fine for cold storage.