Mister Wolf
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Its strange to me that none of the reviewers talked about the ghosting.
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Good Gaming TV?
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TKOFromTokyo
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I don’t know about this year, but it has been discussed in the past. The same with Samsung. Maybe reviewers just aren’t that detailed when it comes to gaming.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Bought a 65" LG CX purely for 4k movies and it has been like watching them for the first time all over again. Hoping to snag a digital PS5 to see how Ratchet & Clank looks on it.
PlayStaytion
Member
It's the internet, always leading to lg , I've done my research already, it took me awhile to figure it out, if you are a tv guy like renewing your stuff every 2 years then go for lg without a doubt, if you care about where you put your money and hoping it's going to make sense let's say for the next 5 + years I do recommend samsung cause they make premium stuff for the high end consumers and also they make stuff for the average consumers , with that said they know how to cut corners for the budget consumers without sacrificing durability cause they invented quantum dot as a replacement for oled , lg on the other hand they invented nothing , oled technology is old and doesn’t last before it gets burned , it's an old tech and unreliable , I recommend the new neo series from samsung, it's amazing, don't bother about some dudes putting harsh reviews on the Internet , most of them don't know what they are talking about, cause they already set themselves for lg and their heads can't process samsung products as simple as that.
TKOFromTokyo
Member
It’s comical that you contradict some of the most well known professional calibrators and forums dedicated to home theaters. Yes, a lot of these guys upgrade regularly, but when these people talk about holding on TVs is rarely Samsung. It’s usually Sony or old Pioneer and Panasonic plasmas.
How many actually paid for a panel and gamed on them probably not many. Got a free product hooked up systems long enough to get facts VRR, 120hz ect. You couldn't miss this shit lol if you gave a honest review.
Mister Wolf
Member
How many actually paid for a panel and gamed on them probably not many. Got a free product hooked up systems long enough to get facts VRR, 120hz ect. You couldn't miss this shit lol if you gave a honest review.
I'm glad I didn't get one. For my specific needs the Samsung QN90A was my only choice.
You made the right decision since Sony is clueless about gaming features. This one is broken, LG don't care it seems watching the nano review. Samsung is the only one who has their shit together on the LCD side. Just might have to return a few to get a solid one with out to much DSE
VAVA Mk2
Member
Samsung Q80 is an excellent non-OLED choice for new consoles. No need to hate.
Dave_at_Home
Member
- If you feel the need to return a television a few times, than perhaps Samsung isn't all they're cracked up to be. In fact, Samsung doesn't even make their own panels anymore, they sold their plants to China.
- Fun fact: the entirety of Samsung's latest full array LED television technology is all due to TCL. The mini-LED tech and optical distance zero panels are technology straight from TCL. You'll be seeing the same panels from TCL at a much lower price point later this year.
- Samsung charges a premium price for performance you can now get on much lower priced brands. This is why Samsung is going to be moving away from LCD in the future. They simply won't be able to compete on price and performance with the Chinese manufactures. They as well have plenty of reliability issues so just wait till it's out of warrantee. Plenty of horror stories.
- You've been drinking some serious Samsung Kool-Aid my friend. Samsung did not invent quantum dot. Bell Labs invented it back in the early 80s and it's taken a long time for it to find its way into Best Buy. Furthermore, Sony was the first to utilize quantum dot technology back in 2013 with their Triluminos displays. Samsung just adopted it into their televisions later.
- Quantum dot technology is not a replacement for OLED and never was meant to be. It's merely a way to expand color volume in it's current form. Hopefully they can use it to replace the entire color filter in the future, but just like the pursuit of self-emissive quantum dots, it's expensive and difficult as hell.
- Fun fact part 2: Samsung is buying LG OLED panels so they can finally have their own OLED television sets for next year. They're only doing this because the Chinese manufactures are crushing them at their own LCD game. They need to maintain their status quo in the high-end space. It's also possible they need LG's panels to make their QD-OLED tech work. Just a guess at this point.
- Don't even know how to respond to the statement "oled technology is old and doesn’t last before it gets burned". Can burn-in happen? Yes. Is it an overblown issue? Absolutely.
In closing, I do in fact like Samsung's high-end full array sets. They can be great. They usually need a firmware update to eliminate black crush and simply ask too much money to begin with. QN90A only has 1 HDMI 2.1 port? Really Samsung? You're charging how much? Still blooming issues even though you said it was solved? Again, I like their high-end sets, but they repeatedly fumble the ball at the end zone.
Rikkori
Member
It's been the same every year. They hype up Hisense every time and only once users get their hands on it and start posting mass videos of ghosting do we have an idea of it. There's literally not a single actually honest TV reviewer in this business. All of them pretend not to know things about a certain brand or another. The weirdest though is RTINGS because they buy their own TVs but they still end up putting out shit reviews without a single grasp on reality (like the Hisense ones).
It's sad but the only way to make an informed TV purchase is to actually wait a few months for everyone to get a set & then see what they're saying on AVSForum.
Mister Wolf
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rofif
Banned
I mean I am all for 4k hdr and I think it is amazing but do you guys think HDR is here to stay or will it fade like 3d ?
also with 4k hdr we are reaching resolution and color data of analog movies. 70mm can technically resolve higher but it's most likely more grain. So Not sure where could the tech go other than more nits and maybe 8k (which is a waste)
also with 4k hdr we are reaching resolution and color data of analog movies. 70mm can technically resolve higher but it's most likely more grain. So Not sure where could the tech go other than more nits and maybe 8k (which is a waste)
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nightmare-slain
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HDR is here to stay. there is way more HDR movies/tv shows than there ever was 3D.
HDR is more accessible and easier to shoot/edit. i can shoot 4K 60Hz Dolby Vision HDR on my smartphone right now and if i wanted shoot an entire movie in it without any special hardware and it'd be easier for people to watch it in HDR cause there's a shit load of HDR displays out there (even if all them aren't "true HDR") and streaming in HDR isn't significantly more taxing. if your internet is good enough for 4K then HDR isn't gonna be a problem. 3D was more difficult to deal with and expensive/inaccessible.
3d was a gimmick and was never believable. HDR on the other hand is a huge step up in visual quality. when i bought my 4K TV i remember thinking i just want 4K and i'm not too bothered about HDR. once I saw HDR on my TV it was way more impressive than 4K. i think 4K is great but i could live without it. HDR? no way that shit is a game changer.
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Bojanglez
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Isn't the HDMI 2.1 spec still not complete with regards to VRR? If that's the case technically others have jumped the gun and Sony are doing things correctly.
Excess
Member
Absolutely, definitively, and most certainly here to stay. It's part of the UHD standardization, the Ultra HD Forum.
Mister Wolf
Member
I'm not sure. I use my Samsung's(QN90A) HDMI 2.0 port to achieve 4K 120Hz VRR with my RTX 2080ti. Samsung is the only TV brand that supports 4K 120hz on HDMI 2.0, that's why I bought it.
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rofif
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I hope so because I do not want to go back to sdr and standard 1080p sdr bluray quality. It looks so good on oled.
But then again - there were people who were just as amazed by their 3d tv's and now it's gone.
longdi
not only acer is (or was, idk) more expensive, the new OLEDS look way better. The 55cx there looks to be using default settings though. Warm2 (on cx) or warm50 (on c1) is a value closer to industry standard 6500k I think.I know that 48" c1 I use now will only be replaced by another oled in few years. OR IF MICROLED will be a thing since miniled is not great. But I am not going back to lcd (I hope lol)
Excess
Member
The problem with 3D is that you had to make a lot of sacrifices with both image quality and convenience. Things like HDR, resolution, color space, etc., require nothing of the sort.
rofif
Banned
I've seen these comments and I think it's mostly true maybe up to c9. CX and now C1 are mostly free of crused blacks. LG adjusted the gamma curveThere are cons in OLED, such as crushed near blacks.
As I said it is choosing which shit sandwich you want to eat. Maybe in 5-7 years micro led will be reasonably priced.There are cons in OLED, such as crushed near blacks.
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TKOFromTokyo
Member
Why not get a GX or G1 instead? It’s a substantially better tv and provides the same art display capability.
TKOFromTokyo
Member
I agree with you. I find RTINGS to be more geared towards the casual ignorant market. I have been using AVSForum for 10 years now. The community will be much more honest, and you have some quality professional calibrators on there.
VAVA Mk2
Member
Please explain how it is a shit sandwich.
jigglet
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Cause I barely use my TV these days. I want the wall art features primarily, then for the once a month I play console games it would be good to have the new HDMI 2.1 / VRR features. I've pretty much switched to PC gaming aside from the occasional console exclusive. I love console gaming but at this point I need to admit that it's not my primary form of gaming and I shouldn't make my TV purchasing decisions based on it.
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ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
This only happens while watching one specific show on netflix.....its not a Hisense problem
The levels certain people go to to downplay how awesome current hisense tvs are unreal
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Rikkori
Member
The real question is - why do you want to defend a company for a bad product? If you personally want to pay for shit, go for it, but others should know what they're getting.
Of course, if you'd think about it you'd understand that it's not possible for it to be there just for a single piece of media, and that it happens across multiple TV generations for Hisense means it's a much more deep-rooted issue for them.
StateofMajora
Banned
It's not an overblown issue. Oled needs better materials and QC. To all that have oled, I hope it lasts long but day 1 issues on a C9 and my A8h just getting more and more banding and getting dimmer tell me otherwise.
The QN90A is easily the best 4k lcd this year, and other than the 1 hdmi 2.1 port it should be a great tv. In no way do the Chinese brands compete.
Maybe i'll run into issues if I get it (dependent on if switch pro has 2.1 because I need 2 ports for Ps5 and it at least) but on paper and from what i've seen Samsung is the top TV this year.
Sony is just being lazy AF with their LCD's and their picture processors are a mixed bag and LG oled has durability issues. Not fanboying for Samsung here, because they have issues as well but the entire TV market is a bit lacking at the moment.
Also, I believe Samsung has an oled when I see it lol. Their QNED nanorod led should be out in a few years, and if it's as good as it sounds I think the other major brands will jump on board and buy their panels as well. Unless it's uber expensive, then oled will have much more staying power.
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BreakOut
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Loving my LG. Got that HgiG thing and free/G sync. Native 120. It’s really nice for like 800 bucks or whatever. I think there is an Oled version but I got the LED because of burn in fears.
edit: Instant game response as well. I think it’s the one that Microsoft and Sony pushed for. I don’t know if I just made that up in my head or if I heard it somewhere.
edit: Instant game response as well. I think it’s the one that Microsoft and Sony pushed for. I don’t know if I just made that up in my head or if I heard it somewhere.
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PlayStaytion
Member
another issue with oled is the near black weakness as seen below
you can also see the pwm flickering on the display
cons of oled
-much lower brightness
-pwm flickering
-near blacks blown out
-wrgb pentile subpixels, lower perceptible sharpness
-grey screen smudges
It's like experiencing old CRTs nightmare all over again, seriously, who wants that?
PlayStaytion
Member
You've done your homework , congrats!, but who makes micro leds at the moment ? , lg prices are much lower, they don't make 70 grand tvs , they target the mass market , you could make many reasons to buy cheaper stuff but it's not an apple to apple comparison when you compare the specs ,it's not even fair to withdraw the specs for who make the panels for the other , this talk is known since forever, specs matters the most , you say it like they owe it to them for making their panels, so dramatic.
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Dave_at_Home
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Whether you like it or not the Chinese brands do compete. Like I said earlier, Samsung's panels are from both TCL and AUO. Their mini-LED tech is sourced from China.
LG OLED are far, far more reliable than any full array LCD on the market. This is simply due to the underlining tech of OLED. Lots more points of failure due to LCD's many stacks of layers. Compound that with every LCD manufacture cutting corners and your left with higher failure rates versus OLED (Samsung definitely does this even in their high-end sets). Every LCD manufacture out there is utilizing the same OEM partners at the end of the day. Now I don't wanna make it seem like Samsung televisions are not reliable, I'm just pointing out they are second to OLED. I will also give credit for Samsung for not using the cheapest parts possible like you would find in the budget brands. Although, the cheaper Samsung models can be just as bad as any of the budget brands.
Again, Samsung is buying OLED panels from LG.
Samsung is moving away from LCD. I'll put it this way, TCL is a fully vertically intergraded company. Every part of their televisions they make. They are the OEM. If you're Samsung, how do you compete on price and performance when you have to source from competition? Samsung needs to maintain high-end status in the industry and they can't do that holding onto LCD. They're buying LG OLED panels in the meantime. While all this is going on, Samsung Display is working on QNED while its sister company Samsung Electronics is trying to make Micro-LED happen. We'll see which one gets there first.
As for your A8H becoming more banding and dimmer over time, I really don't know what to say to that. I've never heard of an OLED doing that before so it's possible you have a defective panel.
Dave_at_Home
Member
Samsung, Sony, and LG, all can make micro led and have shown them off at numerous shows. It's incredibly difficult to downsize those televisions into something that can fit inside a typical home (not to mention insanely expensive).
I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the second half of your post here. I'm not being dramatic. I take a pragmatic approach to all technology. As for specs, yes, they do matter, but what matters most is the quality of implementation.
Dave_at_Home
Member
I've been reading that the QN90 has some blooming issues despite Samsung's claim they've fix that. How's the blooming off-axis? Looking to do an upgrade this year and the QN90A and LG C1 are at the top of my list.
Mister Wolf
Member
I'm extremely happy with my purchase. My last two TVs were OLEDs. The C7 I burned the shit out of it with Netflix logos and everything else. The C9 didn't even last two years before it suddenly cut off and never cut back on. I'm not fucking with OLED anymore, they are too fragile. I shouldn't have to hold back or handle them with kid gloves when I'm spending over $2000. One feature of the Samsung TVs you won't hear people talk about is its Game Motion Plus. Low input lag motion interpolation for games. I can't even explain to you how valuable that is for 30fps games especially Switch games like Zelda and Xenoblade. Makes them look 60fps. Thats a "gaming" feature better than anything else named in this thread while they nitpick picture quality, and only Samsung offers it.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If you're gunning for VRR, check out this site and sort by VRR column.
Variable Refresh Rate - RTINGS.com
Variable Refresh Rate - RTINGS.com
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PlayStaytion
Member
Apple to apple comparison gives superiority which is not the case cause you would ignore all the features that serves peoples preferences, there are no superior brand simply because one of them is messing with a single issue without addressing it. For example , gsync ultimate may be beneficial in the next 3 years due to the lack of supporting the latest 40 series from nvidia , that's definitely a bad news for lg owners who game on these tvs "just saying" , freesync pro on the other hand are highly unlikely to be messing with these type of issues.
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I don't see the point of spending a couple of grand on a TV and not enjoy VRR.
I'm not the only one with fucked C7. Funny never had an issue with any plasma TV. I just know not to listen next time the burn is fixed lol. If I go that direction I need to add 500-600 to get it from BB for geek squad warranty to replace it after a couple of years. They are awesome but the glass Joe's of TVs.
PlayStaytion
Member
The talk about who made the panels isn't something new , I've been hearing all that for decades , manufacturers can make anything if they are allowed to do it legally, the design differences actually reflect the philosophy of each brand , each company has its own design philosophy.
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Dave_at_Home
Member
I'm absolutely lost here. I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk if English is not your first language. If that's not the case than I think we're talking past each other. Sorry.
LOLCats
Banned
if youre referring to the new samdungs, i think rtings mention it.
Karmic Raze
Member
If I was to buy a much cheaper TV for gaming than say the LG CX OLED I was eyeing, what would your recommendation be there? I’m trying to snag a decent upgrade from my current 3 year old Samsung LED 4K TV and also be able to afford either an XSX or PS5. I couldn’t afford both if I just opted for a $1,200+ OLED as much as I’d like one.
Exentryk
Member
Best gaming TVs are LG C9, CX, C1 and G1. 4x HDMI 2.1 ports with full bandwidth (C9 has 48gbps vs 40gbps for others but that's still more than enough for maximum output).
Connect a 30 series or newer upcoming cards, dim the room lights and you'll be in gaming heaven. The lush and vibrant colours via HDR and even without HDR on an OLED are so gorgeous you'll never go back to an LED. The blacks are perfect blacks, such that I can't even tell if the Tv is on or not (have to look at the light below to check).
So yeah, get any of the recent LG OLEDs and you'll love it! I've got two.
Connect a 30 series or newer upcoming cards, dim the room lights and you'll be in gaming heaven. The lush and vibrant colours via HDR and even without HDR on an OLED are so gorgeous you'll never go back to an LED. The blacks are perfect blacks, such that I can't even tell if the Tv is on or not (have to look at the light below to check).
So yeah, get any of the recent LG OLEDs and you'll love it! I've got two.
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Lone Wolf
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Just bought a 75” TCL 6 series. Comes Thursday and I’ll have it set up this weekend. I’ll let everyone know how it turns out. For the money it seems like a beast TV if you don’t want to go OLED. It will be replacing a four year old LG SJ8570 model, which is an edge lit IPS panel. Should be a huge difference.
HTK
Banned
I went with LG CX 55 OLED since the new C1 doesn't offer anything super significant to warrant an extra $400. What I love about the OLED is obviously the picture quality is just amazing but as equally important to me:
Response Time:
80% Response Time - 0.3 ms
100% Response Time - 1.7 ms
Input Lag:
1080p @ 60Hz - 13.6 ms
1440p @ 60hz - 13.8 ms
4k @ 60hz - 13.5 ms
1080p @ 120Hz - 6.9 ms
1440p @ 120hz - 6.9 ms
4k @ 120hz - 6.7 ms
These numbers rival some of the best gaming monitors, but with that suburb picture quality.
EDIT: Not to mention its VRR, Nvidia and FreeSync Premium compatible just in case.
Response Time:
80% Response Time - 0.3 ms
100% Response Time - 1.7 ms
Input Lag:
1080p @ 60Hz - 13.6 ms
1440p @ 60hz - 13.8 ms
4k @ 60hz - 13.5 ms
1080p @ 120Hz - 6.9 ms
1440p @ 120hz - 6.9 ms
4k @ 120hz - 6.7 ms
These numbers rival some of the best gaming monitors, but with that suburb picture quality.
EDIT: Not to mention its VRR, Nvidia and FreeSync Premium compatible just in case.
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PlayStaytion
Member
I'm sorry, could you repeat what you said again? I'm talking about supporting pc graphics, didn't meant to look edgy with tech.I'm absolutely lost here. I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk if English is not your first language. If that's not the case than I think we're talking past each other. Sorry.