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[ethomaz]

I don't get that vibe but I've just been skimming through each page so I may have missed those posts.

I just want to be entertained, where's all the humor?

The fact that I don’t have any post in that thread already tells a lot about the difference in salty meter.

 

[Craig of War]

Its not confusing. Lots of companies operate like this with a parent company but retain their IP

I would guess any new IP would likely become owned by Sony though. Halo was a case where Bungie owned the IP and had the right to sell it to MS because they were developing it before MS got involved. Similar to Destiny for Sony now

It seem weird to me the point of buying is owning the thing that you buy why paid 3.6B and not even own it wtf

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Sony owns Bungie…they own the IP

 

[//DEVIL//]

From that bungie picture . And the QA, it seems that all bungie games are cross platform . If that’s the case for future projects too then worst 3.6 billion ever

 

[ethomaz]

Its not confusing. Lots of companies operate like this with a parent company but retain their IP

I would guess any new IP would likely become owned by Sony though. Halo was a case where Bungie owned the IP and had the right to sell it to MS because they were developing it before MS got involved. Similar to Destiny for Sony now

MS never owned Bungie or anything from them… they had a contract to developer the games and after MS made a deal to buy the IP from them.

Sony just bought Bungie… everything is Sony property now… IPs, assets, etc.

In simple terms right now Bungie employees are receiving their Sony IDs, emails, etc… they are know part of Sony.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

If there any case of Bungie leaving that is a Sony decision board and not Bungie anymore.

Sony owns Bungie.

It is more easy to Bungie’s employee left to create a new studio than Bungie leaves Sony… they don’t decide that anymore.

Right

 

[Unknown?]

lol its all evil Microsofts fault, Sony are being forced into it. They have never done stuff like this before have they.

Subscriptions and services is the future, hense all other entertainment. Hell in 20 years time our lives will be subscription based lol. Get with the times and take your fanboy hat off.

I'll leave gaming then. I hate movie and TV subscriptions. Netflix was like the anti-cable bit now we're back to cable with all the subscriptions. You really want gaming reduced to being like cable TV?

 

[Yoboman]

Honestly this is the best purchase Sony could have made to cover off their first party gaps in the shooter genre. The best FPS developer of all time. Quality over quantity reigns king

Now they just need to buy a WRPG developer

 

[Mattyp]

No. It's the same with Microsoft. The subsidiaries own the IPs. If Microsoft wanted to sell Zenimax tomorrow they'd need to negotiate to keep the IPs, otherwise they leave with Zenimax

They don’t need to negotiate anything, they own the company. They decide what stays and what goes if they ever wanted to split Zenimax and sell it off. Zero point as it would never happen.

 

[Neofire]

If you want to believe that, be my guest.

I don't get how people think Bungie gets make the rules when they were just bought by Sony unless Sony or someone leaks the documents has no power over what Bungie does then I am with Swift_Star on this one.

 

[Craig of War]

MS never owned Bungie or anything from them… they had a contract to developer the games and after MS made a deal to buy the IP from them.

Sony just bought Bungie… everything is Sony property now… IPs, assets, etc.

In simple terms right now Bungie employees are receiving their Sony IDs, emails, etc… they are know part of Sony.

Microsoft acquired Bungie in 2000

if that not owning Bungie then what is

 

[ethomaz]

They don’t need to negotiate anything, they own the company. They decide what stays and what goes if they ever wanted to split Zenimax and sell it off. Zero point as it would never happen.

100% this.

MS decides what stay and what leaves.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Damn. Bungie got some stink on them. Microsoft got rid of them then Activision and then Microsoft passed on buying them! Not sure about this deal... Sony might have picked up a dud

 

[Excess]

Had to screencap this one. Made me chuckle.

 

[tmlDan]

I don't get how people think Bungie gets make the rules when they were just bought by Sony unless Sony or someone leaks the documents has no power over what Bungie does then I am with Swift_Star on this one.

It could be a clause in the purchase agreement put there by the owners/CEO that they remain independent.

But there are always opposite sides to these types of deals, like Sony can take over if they lose trust in ownership or revenue falls or games aren't produced at a rate as expected.

It all really depends, we don't know the details.

 

[Memorabilia]

Come on. I agree with you that Activision and Bethesda games won't be on PlayStation, let's not pretend Phil was being clear. He was the opposite and spoke like a true politician, carefully choosing his exact wording.

Saying, "Our intention is not to take games away from other platforms and we would like to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation", is the exact opposite of expressing your actual intentions if you believe they are pulling future iterations of that franchise from PlayStation (which I do).

No, he's not lying since he worded it the way he did, but he's being anything but obvious and transparent.

The statement from Bungie makes it seem very clear that they will, in fact, keep their games on every possible platform. If I'm wrong, and they do end up exclusive to PlayStation, then they are being even more misleading than Phil Spencer.

His language - or rather MS’s/Xbox’s language - is primarily for the benefit of regulators.

I fully expect the ActiBlizz deal to go thru (as it in no way represents “monopoly behavior”) but let’s not pretend business at this level isn’t an expensive game. Part of that game is greasing palms, smiling & saying all the right things. He’d be derelict in his duty as a representative/leader of the company to say anything that might give one or more clueless, grandstanding politicians a reason to zero in on the deal any more than normally expected.

 

[bender]

Honestly this is the best purchase Sony could have made to cover off their first party gaps in the shooter genre. The best FPS developer of all time. Quality over quantity reigns king

Now they just need to buy a WRPG developer

We've also heard rumors of Bungie's struggle with development due to the engines and tools they use so this could be a very beneficial partnership for both parties.

As far as future IP is concerned, publishing across multiple platforms wouldn't surprise me. It's probably the best path towards a return on investment and has the knock on effect of keeping Bungie happy. Win-Win?

The price tag seems hefty though.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Microsoft acquired Bungie in 2000

if that not owning Bungie then what is

They didn't leave with Halo

 

[Craig of War]

Had to screencap this one. Made me chuckle.

Bungie buys both MS & Sony

 

[PuppetMaster]

Destiny was the best shooter last gen. And my favorite shooter of all time!

There are still features from Destiny I cannot believe other games still don't have. Like being able to access and make changes to character and loadouts anytime even during nap loads or waiting for players to connect. When I play Halo Infinite it still feels backwards compared to Destiny which is an ancient game now.

Really excited what kind of game they will be able to make next with that kind of cash inflow and engineering support from Sonys best devs!

 

[3liteDragon]

Jim Ryan pretty much made it clear in the GIBiz interview today.

PlayStation: Bungie deal is about multiplatform, live-service games

PlayStation's acquisition of Bungie may not result in exclusive PS5 games, but it will allow the platform holder to sig…

www.gamesindustry.biz

In an interview with GamesIndustry.biz, Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO Jim Ryan says that Destiny 2 and future Bungie games will continue to be published on other platforms, including rival consoles. The advantages Bungie offers Sony is in its ability to make huge, multiplatform, live-service online games, which is something the wider organisation is eager to learn from.

 

[Craig of War]

They didn't leave with Halo

What? i was replying to the guy that said MS never buy Bungie that was not correct MS bought Bungie in 2000 i never said anything bout Halo

 

[TheGreatMusashi]

Is this for real? I’m not a console war type of guy but this is their first step as an answer?

I guess it’s a blow in terms of legacy but that’s fucking stupid.

Maybe they’re bring back Oni, it was a PS2 exclusive.

I don’t know what else to say. I guess enjoy F2P Destiny?

Such a weird move.

Also holy shit you overpaid. Haha what the fuck

 

[VAVA Mk2]

2000s Bungie > Bungie Now

 

[ZehDon]

I have no ideia what are you implying… Sony bought Bungie… all their assets and IPs are now owned by Sony.

It is not a partnership or contract where Bungie can left… they are now part of Sony.

Sony own Bungie, yes, but Bungie own their IP. If Bungie buy themselves out, their IP will go with them when they leave. Sony paid a good chunk of change, but given the guesstimated annual revenue of USD$2b for Destiny that's floating around, that price tag is actually not all that much. Unless Bungie's revenue is much, much less, I'm guessing the IP remains with Bungie.

And I'm implying that Bungie has broken every publishing deal it's had, hence why Activision wanted out, or Bungie has bought itself out of ownership. Given their history, it's fair to say Bungie will stay under Sony only for so long before they start looking to buy themselves out again.

 

[Memorabilia]

The nature of this acquisition seems to have gone over the average fanboys head. Anyone thinking Sony paid 3.6billion for just Destiny alone needs to give up their armchair analyst role in GAF

This is obvious. This is in large part a deal built on faith in Bungie’s future output. But in the near and middle term, it’s all about the GAAS hole Bungie fulfills in Sony’s lineup towards building out a Game Pass competitor.

 

[DaGwaphics]

We don't know if Microsoft passed on Bungie

But I have 80 Billion reasons to believe that price wasn't an issue. We are talking about 3.6B dollars, chump change for MS

Perhaps Bungie just didn't want to be purchased by Microsoft, given their history together.

Sony and MS might have been looking for different things too. Both Zenimax and Activision both brought multiple studios/teams to the table with the ability to drive multiple simultaneous projects as a group, which would be very beneficial for GP (though they have spent significantly less on individual studios in the past).

 

[Reallink]

If you want to believe that, be my guest.

It's in the official press release and there were clearly several suitors making offers to a company that had no interest in selling to drive the price up to nearly 4 Billion dollars for what amounts to a single IP with a fairly rocky history. I'm pretty confident Bungie have lawyers competent enough to not get Zuckerberged and they contracturalized these stipulations before they agreed to sell.

 

[plip.plop]

I'm optimistic about this. I hope Sony shows them how to actually add a story to their games now.

 

[Yoboman]

We've also heard rumors of Bungie's struggle with development due to the engines and tools they use so this could be a very beneficial partnership for both parties.

As far as future IP is concerned, publishing across multiple platforms wouldn't surprise me. It's probably the best path towards a return on investment and has the knock on effect of keeping Bungie happy. Win-Win?

The price tag seems hefty though.

They are a strong fit in that I can see a lot of value being shared both ways. Sony with their engines and variety of developers that always open their door to collaboration and Bungie with their expertise in multiplayer

 

[Craig of War]

It's in the official press release and there were clearly several suitors bidding to drive the price up to nearly 4 Billion dollars. I'm pretty confident Bungie have lawyers competent enough to not get Zuckerberged and they contracturalized these stipulations before they agreed to sell.

That some crazy Boss move by Bungie they get 3.6 billion and get to self publish and put games on any platform they want i don't know man but i think Sony got the short end of the deal on this one

 

[Yoboman]

That some crazy Boss move by Bungie they get 3.6 billion and get to self publish and put games on any platform they want i don't know man but i think Sony got the short end of the deal on this one

Im sure there are a ton of stipulations that MS will need to come to the table for with future games. Like PSN/Spartacus on Xbox

And Destiny 2 of course wont be touched

 

[Memorabilia]

Sony own Bungie, yes, but Bungie own their IP. If Bungie buy themselves out, their IP will go with them when they leave. Sony paid a good chunk of change, but given the guesstimated annual revenue of USD$2b for Destiny that's floating around, that price tag is actually not all that much. Unless Bungie's revenue is much, much less, I'm guessing the IP remains with Bungie.

And I'm implying that Bungie has broken every publishing deal it's had, hence why Activision wanted out, or Bungie has bought itself out of ownership. Given their history, it's fair to say Bungie will stay under Sony only for so long before they start looking to buy themselves out again.

Yup. Breaking down the contract, this is a REALLY good deal for Bungie. As in, it’s so good that it could be construed as a deal that most developers simply wouldn’t get in a “buyout”. Bungie essentially gets to stay independent, still owns their IP, & still gets to decide internally where their games go.

I feel this could still represent a bit of a bargaining chip for Sony Re: CoD mainline title exclusivity but only if Bungie decides to play hardball on Sony’s behalf (even in that case, it seems unlikely Destiny on Xbox is worth more than guaranteeing Warzone alone).

More likely, as others have alluded, this is more about a likely future exclusive title and/or evolution of Destiny going PS exclusive. Despite the value of Destiny you don’t spend $3.6 billion just for Destiny to remain multiplat.

Taken another way, at least they now have a studio who could make a good Killzone. I’m only half joking…I’d love to see a Killzone rebirth.

 

[Jermare]

I honestly dont see how a nintendo acquisition works out. I think sonic fits well on nintendo, and SMTV of course but yakuza and some of their other games would suffer. Nintendo fans don’t buy their hardware for games like that, look in the top ten most sold, its all mario kart, mario party, smash bros, zelda, mario….maybe that could get sonic up there but everything else? Not worth it and not realistic.

Yakuza can’t even run on Nintendo hardware at the moment outside of streaming and A lot of their other stuff can’t either.

Mario, Smash and Zelda being top sellers doesn't mean other franchises would suffer. Pretty much every first party game on the Switch is among the best (if not THE best) selling in its series. Plus, Nintendo owning those franchises would mean better budgets and marketing to make up for potentially going exclusive.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I remember an old comic about Destiny, Borderlands, Diablo comparing loot. Does this still hold true? I never played Destiny 2.

https://cad-comic.com/comic/you-had-one-job/

 

[Lognor]

They are a strong fit in that I can see a lot of value being shared both ways. Sony with their engines and variety of developers that always open their door to collaboration and Bungie with their expertise in multiplayer

What engine does bungie use in destiny? Wouldn't they continue with that?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Yup. Breaking down the contract, this is a REALLY good deal for Bungie. As in, it’s so good that it could be construed as a deal that most developers simply wouldn’t get in a “buyout”. Bungie essentially gets to stay independent, still owns their IP, & still gets to decide internally where their games go.

I feel this could still represent a bit of a bargaining chip for Sony Re: CoD mainline title exclusivity but only if Bungie decides to play hardball on Sony’s behalf (even in that case, it seems unlikely Destiny on Xbox is worth more than guaranteeing Warzone alone).

More likely, as others have alluded, this is more about a likely future exclusive title and/or evolution of Destiny going PS exclusive. Despite the value of Destiny you don’t spend $3.6 billion just for Destiny to remain multiplat.

Taken another way, at least they now have a studio who could make a good Killzone. I’m only half joking…I’d love to see a Killzone rebirth.

Where are people getting that Bungie retains their IP?

They don’t

Sony owns them and their IP

 

[Elbow Identity Shallow]

I don't see it being likely but the gaming world would be a better place if this resulted in there being new games in the Myth series, even just modern re-releases would be a start but a return to those strategy games would be amazing.
I'm less of a fan but I suppose the same could be said of the Marathon Trilogy as they stayed with Bungie too. Ha, just realised that Sony could be a dick about it and get them to make more Marathon games as they're essentially where Halo originated and although separate, they both exist in a Halo style universe so I suppose they could just get them to make more Halo games but under the Marathon franchise. I wouldn't be a fan but I'm sure there are people who want more Halo games from Bungie.

 

[01011001]

with Bungie still releasing games multi-platform going forward it just occurred to me that what Sony bought is essentially an NFT ...yes they "own it" but everyone else can still use it anyways

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

But...why? Are they trying to counter COD with Destiny? lmao (that's Bungie right?)

edit: 3.6b for a studio that will remain independent and release everywhere they please? what is Sony even doing? what changes? besides the fact bungie just got 3.6b, lmao. I'm so lost.

Yeah. I agree and it does literally nothing to bring more players to the PlayStation if the games are still on the competition. I’m guessing Bungie will keep the multiplayer or service games multiplatform so Sony can get majority of the revenue and if Bungie ever makes single player games, those will probably remain exclusive to Sony.

I think that could be how it works with Activision and Bethesda as well. Service games will most likely be multiplatform and other games will remain exclusive in the future on XBOX.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Yup. Breaking down the contract, this is a REALLY good deal for Bungie. As in, it’s so good that it could be construed as a deal that most developers simply wouldn’t get in a “buyout”. Bungie essentially gets to stay independent, still owns their IP, & still gets to decide internally where their games go.

I feel this could still represent a bit of a bargaining chip for Sony Re: CoD mainline title exclusivity but only if Bungie decides to play hardball on Sony’s behalf (even in that case, it seems unlikely Destiny on Xbox is worth more than guaranteeing Warzone alone).

More likely, as others have alluded, this is more about a likely future exclusive title and/or evolution of Destiny going PS exclusive. Despite the value of Destiny you don’t spend $3.6 billion just for Destiny to remain multiplat.

Taken another way, at least they now have a studio who could make a good Killzone. I’m only half joking…I’d love to see a Killzone rebirth.

I hope they make a dark scary Marathon remake.

 

[Amiga]

From that bungie picture . And the QA, it seems that all bungie games are cross platform . If that’s the case for future projects too then worst 3.6 billion ever

Sony are also a publisher. and the publishing business is growing massively that it could be bigger and more secure than the console business in the future. In the past, Sony have made the mistake of stopping sub-divisions from outgrowing main-divisions. only to have outside competition take advantage and fill the void. They should know better than make the same mistake again.

 

[Memorabilia]

Where are people getting that Bungie retains their IP?

They don’t

Sony owns them and their IP

This is wrong. They don’t own the Destiny IP. It’s pretty explicit in the contract information that has leaked out. Likely Sony will own new IP going forward.

 

[Arsic]

I really don’t see the point of this acquisition. If all games remain multi platform including new titles in the works then that doesn’t bolster the Sony brand as a better to own console.

Plus who knows how far Bungie are from a new title realistically releasing.

Microsoft has even said future Bethesda titles would be exclusives.

Weird.

 

[SlimySnake]

Is this for real? I’m not a console war type of guy but this is their first step as an answer?

I guess it’s a blow in terms of legacy but that’s fucking stupid.

Maybe they’re bring back Oni, it was a PS2 exclusive.

I don’t know what else to say. I guess enjoy F2P Destiny?

Such a weird move.

Also holy shit you overpaid. Haha what the fuck

From that bungie picture . And the QA, it seems that all bungie games are cross platform . If that’s the case for future projects too then worst 3.6 billion ever

I dont know why this is so hard. MS made a move to acquire Bungie. Sony had no choice but to respond. You cant lose both cod and destiny or whatever huge next ip they create next, and survive. Like it or not, Japanese games dont sell consoles to the masses. 55% of console gamers play CoD. Destiny isnt as big but it is a fps and it is huge in its own right.

What do you you all want them to do? Have Microsoft take CoD, buy bungie, and acquire Take2 while Sony sits there making horizon and god of war every five years? What do they do to survive? Have Phil hold Destiny and CoD hostage until they allow gamepass on PSN? What happens when Phil decides to put MLB on PSN gamepass? Where does it stop? Could he force Sony to put God of War on Xbox? If you dont want to become Phil's bitch, you have to pay $3.6 billion for Bungie.

Now $3.6 billion is way too much for one studio but there was clearly a bidding war and Sony beat out Microsoft. How crazy is that? We thought Sony could never outbid super saiyan Microsoft, well this is the price. This is what it takes to outbid Microsoft.

 

[Yoboman]

I really don’t see the point of this acquisition. If all games remain multi platform including new titles in the works then that doesn’t bolster the Sony brand as a better to own console.

Plus who knows how far Bungie are from a new title realistically releasing.

Microsoft has even said future Bethesda titles would be exclusives.

Weird.

Microsoft only said that after the deal closed. Their initial PR was all "we'll assess game by game, Bethesda will act as an independent publisher" etc

Its why everyone was so confused if their games would still come to PS for a long time

And Sony are all about getting exclusive content. They didn't buy up Bungie to have all their IP in future being multiplat

 

[ozz ex machina]

Who cares? Halo is played out. New Scifi SP game. Out with the old, in with the new.

By new scifi IP do you mean destiny 3? I thought 1 & 2 were pretty average so that's a no from me. For this price for what is essentially a single IP studio? What a great piece of business.

 

[Velius]

Attention-- attention

Sony has acquired Bungie.
While outright celebration is strictly prohibited, you are hereby permitted to express begrudging approval until further notice

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Good purchase by Sony. They do need more than just Bungie.

I do believe the price is high, but they need a high quality FPS and now they'll have one. Not sure on keeping things multiplat but it may have been a requirement by Bungie themselves to make the deal.

This is wrong. They don’t own the Destiny IP. It’s pretty explicit in the contract information that has leaked out. Likely Sony will own new IP going forward.

This is similar to Star Wars. Lucas owns the IP. Disney owns the IP by proxy. Avatar, 20th Century owns the IP, Disney owns the IP by proxy. And so on.

If Bungie is sold in 10 years Sony would have to make sure they transfer the IP from the Bungie LLC to themselves. Not sure if that's what happened with Halo when Bungie split from MS, but that's an option.

 

[Memorabilia]

I really don’t see the point of this acquisition. If all games remain multi platform including new titles in the works then that doesn’t bolster the Sony brand as a better to own console.

Plus who knows how far Bungie are from a new title realistically releasing.

Microsoft has even said future Bethesda titles would be exclusives.

Weird.

I’d say there’s almost no way any new IP will be multiplat. Anything new will almost assuredly be exclusive. The amount Sony (over)spent here doesn’t make sense otherwise. In the short to middle term, Destiny will stay multiplat bc MTX $$$, so why not?