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[Johnny Concrete]

I’ve played 75 hours of it and
I don’t know what people like about this game and why it deserves the high praise.

Is it the graphics that look absolutely amazing?
The sound design of the world accompanied by a very subtle fitting soundtrack?
The world that is filled with interesting stuff to discover?
The sheer variety of enemies, each with their own skills and attack patterns?
The fact that this game might be the best value for money ever with 100 hours of actual interesting gameplay?

Can someone tell me, because I have honestly no idea..

 

[Fully engaged]

Every game is overrated... It is a game... you do it to kill time and relax. Is Elden ring good for killing time and relaxing? It is very good at that. It has an incredible amount of content and design variation considering.. it was made by people.. People imagined it and made it. In that sense, it is very underrated. but is any game going to satisfy your individual personal kinks? Probably not. There are plenty of highly rated games I didn't enjoy and stopped playing..
Calling something overrated just because it didnt click with you is sort of unhealthy. I get it. You were not having as good a time as you expected, so you starred at it for a long time looking for the cracks. That doesn't make it overrated it just means you wasted mental energy on overthinking and setting unreasonable expectations.
Reviewers and people who enjoy the game probably see the faults you see too, but they find that it is a place they enjoy killing time and they praise the good aspects of the game while accepting its faults.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Every game is overrated... It is a game... you do it to kill time and relax. Is Elden ring good for killing time and relaxing? It is very good at that. It has an incredible amount of content and design variation considering.. it was made by people.. People imagined it and made it. In that sense, it is very underrated. but is any game going to satisfy your individual personal kinks? Probably not. There are plenty of highly rated games I didn't enjoy and stopped playing..
Calling something overrated just because it didnt click with you and so you starred at it for a long time looking for the cracks doesn't make it overrated it just means you wasted mental energy on overthinking and setting unreasonable expectations.
Reviewers and people who enjoy the game probably see the faults you see too, but they find that it is a place they enjoy killing time and they praise the good aspects of the game while accepting its faults.

Hard disagree. What's the point of a professional critic if he just decides to turn a blind eye for every blatant flaw it has? I can understand this type of behavior from silly hardcore fans, because these deny every fact to praise their favorite stuff. But professionals should point out the issues, and the fact is that ER has a lot of them to be ignored.

 

[NeverYouMind]

The mechanics of riding Torrent across an uneven landscape is pretty fun. I don't think I have seen anything quite like it. The rest seems mediocre.

 

[lughnasadh123]

I'm always amazed how offended people get when you dislike a game they enjoy as if you smacked the taste outta their baby's mouth. RDR2 is one of my most loved games ever - some disagree with that and that's ok. If people are allowed to shower praise on something, other's also have a right to do the opposite. Thankfully there's other echo chamber threads to dip back into to jerk off with to feel better about.

As for the game? Meh, haven't played it yet, but man does it sure as hell look pretty much like the other souls games. It's a lot of praise for something so iterative people wouldn't blink if you called it Dark Souls 4. Also from watching a lot of videos looks like a whole lotta dodging just hoping for a very small window to get some attacks in on bosses. At least it seems worse than previous games where you barely have a chance to breath any.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

The best feature for me was how many times I reached the crest of a hill or turned a corner and had a “holy shit” moment. The art in this game is truly art. The sheer wonderment of the experience is unmatched. The fantastic combat and bottomless pit lore is just icing on the cake for this one.

 

[rofif]

I'm always amazed how offended people get when you dislike a game they enjoy as if you smacked the taste outta their baby's mouth. RDR2 is one of my most loved games ever - some disagree with that and that's ok. If people are allowed to shower praise on something, other's also have a right to do the opposite. Thankfully there's other echo chamber threads to dip back into to jerk off with to feel better about.

As for the game? Meh, haven't played it yet, but man does it sure as hell look pretty much like the other souls games. It's a lot of praise for something so iterative people wouldn't blink if you called it Dark Souls 4. Also from watching a lot of videos looks like a whole lotta dodging just hoping for a very small window to get some attacks in on bosses. At least it seems worse than previous games where you barely have a chance to breath any.

People are in such a blind defense.
How can I not be more critical of a game I've spent 100 hours playing? Of a genre I enjoy ?

 

[Synless]

I just bought eldon ring because of this thread. What’s the best class to start with?

 

[Kssio_Aug]

I just bought eldon ring because of this thread. What’s the best class to start with?

Warrior or Wretch (level 1) are my personal recommendations. Hope you have fun!

 

[NomadicAsiatic]

Agree. I love souls games but ER was a disappointment. Music was disappointing, except for 1 or 2 tracks, bosses were disappointing and the amount of reused stuff was insane. I also missed the satisfying shortcuts, only 2 legacy dungeon felt like old souls level design. BB is still king

Out of curiosity, which 2 dungeons?

Feels like we get one of these every month.

People need to understand that others could have vastly differing opinions from theirs.

We used to get similar threads for BOTW.


The only thing everyone agrees on is that Morbius was shite.

Irony

Seems like it wasn’t the game for you OP. I disagree with every point you made but I think a very good game can’t please everyone. It’s the price you pay for bold game design.

Also what do you even explore in Assassins Creed? All the points of interest are on the map once you do the eagle sync thingy.

What about this design is bold? You could make the argument for DeS or Ds1 but, this is just iteration. Lest we forget how many games are aping this style.

Can we call a game overrated when it’s flaws are widely known and acknowledged?

Not in this topic!

The boring mini-dungeons, the reuse of bosses and no iteration whatsoever in the combat gameplay, is what has lead me to be rank Elden Ring as better than Demon's and Dark Souls 3 and 1, but pales - by a wide margin - to the joy of build discovery in Dark Souls 2 and the combat and encounters of Bloodborne. I'd rather run a Chalice Dungeon than the stuff we get in Elden Ring.



Can turn those off, just like you can not use the markers in ER (and let's be honest, ER's map also heavily tells you where points of interest are; it takes you reading the map but it's still there).



. . .followed up by the even edgier take of "You don't like something I don't so you must just be looking for attention." It's got an insult AND self-congratulation all in one!



If it didn't, you really wouldn't be able to call it "overrated" now would you? The criticism - intrinsically - acknowledges that something is overwhelmingly well received.

Where I come from, that’s called a smack down!

I enjoyed it. Clearly not to the extent some people did though. Just seems like our standards these days are so low anything doing anything a bit better than the usual AAA slog gets extreme praise.

PREACH

You're one of those carrot on a stick people huh? Need an attaboy' to feel like they accomplished something?

Maybe stick to Far Crys much more rewarding and non cut and paste exploration if you can't see what Elden Ring does so well.

The double standards itp are insane. ER gives out rewards like candy. Quite ironic to call FC cut and paste when ER recycle just as much if not more(seriously, if I have to fight the Magma Wyrm one more fucking time).

I LOVED Elden Ring but I can never understand this type of mind set, there are variety of different games that give me different type of satisfaction, one game doesn't ruin other games who have very different type of gameplay.

Yeah and it seems to only apply to big open worlds. I remember people throating BoTW in the same.

EDIT: The game is good/great but it is def overrated. Not because of scores and whatnot but because of the dishonest discourse surrounding the game. People claiming the game doesn’t “hold your hand” or it’s hardcore is insane

 

[Josemayuste]

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I'm always amazed how offended people get when you dislike a game they enjoy as if you smacked the taste outta their baby's mouth. RDR2 is one of my most loved games ever - some disagree with that and that's ok. If people are allowed to shower praise on something, other's also have a right to do the opposite. Thankfully there's other echo chamber threads to dip back into to jerk off with to feel better about.

As for the game? Meh, haven't played it yet, but man does it sure as hell look pretty much like the other souls games. It's a lot of praise for something so iterative people wouldn't blink if you called it Dark Souls 4. Also from watching a lot of videos looks like a whole lotta dodging just hoping for a very small window to get some attacks in on bosses. At least it seems worse than previous games where you barely have a chance to breath any.

The question for me is, which game does it better? And no, Bloodborne and Sekiro are different games. They're not open world.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

The question for me is, which game does it better? And no, Bloodborne and Sekiro are different games. They're not open world.

Not in every aspect of the game, but in terms solely of open world I think TW3 and Zelda BotW do better. Zelda because you can use the environment, including weather, as elements of advantage in combat, although I also quite disliked the dungeons also for being too repetitive. And TW3 for feeling so damn alive, with events similar to RDR happening and crazy characters and quests to make. RDR2 is also pretty amazing in that regard, but I won't compare it directly because it's a different genre.

 

[Yoboman]

Every open world has flaws, I think it's just down to how much is acceptable to you

To me Elden Ring had the best open world in terms of inventiveness - the way they play with verticality and it feels hand designed in the amount of stuff you can find through organic exploration.

It also has the best variety in terms of enemies and rewards you in terms of an insane amount of boss fight and mini boss options

And even with how much it offers there is still and element of it feeling copy pasted or repeated assets. I think to expect more than they did is really pushing the boundaries of an open world

Other games like BOTW also have repetitive enemies, overused assets in dungeons, no large scale dungeons and a lack of meaningful rewards. Games like GOW while more on the large hub world side had sacrifices in terms of enemy variety and bosses.

Elden Ring feels like the game to sacrifice the least moving to open world and gained the most in terms of the exploration loop

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Not in every aspect of the game, but in terms solely of open world I think TW3 and Zelda BotW do better. Zelda because you can use the environment, including weather, as elements of advantage in combat, although I also quite disliked the dungeons also for being too repetitive. And TW3 for feeling so damn alive, with events similar to RDR happening and crazy characters and quests to make. RDR2 is also pretty amazing in that regard, but I won't compare it directly because it's a different genre.

I'll give you Zelda, the interactivity makes the world fun despite it being mostly empty. But I disagree with TW3. It has the classic Ubisoft open world. Without a map you never really know where you are or where to go. It lacks the immersion and sense of adventure of Elden Ring.

Just to be clear, ER's open world is far from perfect. Some zones are way too empty for example. But zones like Limgrave and Liurnia are pretty much the best I've ever seen in an open world game. Those two zones alone are worth the full price of the game imo.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

No one has even mentioned the Siofra River moment. I guess if you had that part spoiled it would lose some heft, but damn. That's a 10/10 elevator ride.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I just bought eldon ring because of this thread. What’s the best class to start with?

I started as a wretch and would recommend starting as a samurai because that gear is a pain in the ass to get and bleed is really good in this game.

No one has even mentioned the Siofra River moment. I guess if you had that part spoiled it would lose some heft, but damn. That's a 10/10 elevator ride.

I was underwhelmed after I saw it all, but the idea of a world under the world blew my mind at the time.

 

[lughnasadh123]

The question for me is, which game does it better?

Is going to strongly depend on what a person is looking for in a game. Even with the Dark Souls series there's going to be a subjective opinion on it. Some still think DS2 is the best one out of them all, so...*shrug*.

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

I just bought eldon ring because of this thread. What’s the best class to start with?

Samurai is probably the all around best early on. Vagabond is also good. Prisoner or astrologer if you know you want to be a sorcerer.

Not in every aspect of the game, but in terms solely of open world I think TW3 and Zelda BotW do better. Zelda because you can use the environment, including weather, as elements of advantage in combat, although I also quite disliked the dungeons also for being too repetitive. And TW3 for feeling so damn alive, with events similar to RDR happening and crazy characters and quests to make. RDR2 is also pretty amazing in that regard, but I won't compare it directly because it's a different genre.

Why would you need to use the environment as an element of advantage in combat in BotW when the combat is so simplistic and easy?

 

[Elder Legend]

"PeoPle wHo HaVE OpinIONS DiFFerEnt tHAn MiNe ArE tROllInG"

NeoGaf isn't the shitty echo chamber you seem to want it to be

Saying Elden Ring is overrated is not an opinion, there are many reasons why the game deserves the scores it got.

Just like BotW deserves the score it has gotten. I personally do not like BotW because it's not my type of game. But I will never say that game is overrated, i understand what it did for the Zelda fans and why it's highly praised and I respect it.

Saying you don't like Elden Ring is fine.
But Saying it is overrated is a straight up lie and fucking copium mechanicism kicking in.

So yes he is trolling. This is a fact.

 

[Klayzer]

Must resist....tasty bait....so hard

 

[Hari Seldon]

I stopped playing after about 30ish hours and will never go back to it. I was just not having fun at all. The game is creative and the combat is good at times, but the game feels like a second job and when games feel like that I stop playing.

 

[Lokaum D+]

I’ve played 75 hours of it and
I don’t know what people like about this game and why it deserves the high praise.

Is it the graphics that look absolutely amazing? NO, the graphics looks outdated but art direction in on point.

The sound design of the world accompanied by a very subtle fitting soundtrack? Aside from the main title i cant remember any song and i have 300hours of play time.

The world that is filled with interesting stuff to discover? NO, the world is filled with tha same copy/paste dungeons from Lingrave to M.of Giants and lots of repeat enemies.

The sheer variety of enemies, each with their own skills and attack patterns? I ll give u that one, but in late areas we get a lot of repeat enemies.

The fact that this game might be the best value for money ever with 100 hours of actual interesting gameplay? I agree

Can someone tell me, because I have honestly no idea.. I did.

Its a great game ? Fuck Yes
It has a lot of flaws ? YES
its overated ? I think so

 

[Rykan]

Saying Elden Ring is overrated is not an opinion, there are many reasons why the game deserves the scores it got.

Just like BotW deserves the score it has gotten. I personally do not like BotW because it's not my type of game. But I will never say that game is overrated, i understand what it did for the Zelda fans and why it's highly praised and I respect it.

Saying you don't like Elden Ring is fine.
But Saying it is overrated is a straight up lie and fucking copium mechanicism kicking in.

So yes he is trolling. This is a fact.

Calling something overrated is an opinion. You are aware that disagreeing with one or many opinions is also an opinion, right?

I personally don't care what "Scores" it got considering this industry's obsession with anything that goes "OpEn WoRlD".

Can we lock this piece of shit thread please ? Every month some moron comes in and shits the forum with their brave so called "opinion" on Elden Ring. It's so obvious it's just trolling and designed to make people angry lol. No reason NeoGaf should fall to this level of being disrespected.

Go touch some grass.

 

[Balducci30]

Wrong

 

[ReBurn]

It's amazing how some people take someone not liking a video game as a personal attack.

 

[Varteras]

 

[Myths]

Edgy.

..sharp and to the point, just the way I like it.

 

[Belthazar]

It's a very good game, for sure... But it's definitely not the second coming of Christ some people like to pretend it is.

 

[Madflavor]

As it stands, Elden Ring deserves to be in the pantheon of some of the best games ever made. If you don't agree, then ok fine. Go play the games you think are the best. But all I know is ER is one of the best games that's ever graced my screen, and it's only going to get better once they start releasing DLC for it.

 

[The Alien]

Games that are often overrated: Souls games, Nintendo games, Sony games, Rockstar Games, Halo, Forza Horizon

OMG. Def HZD.

HZD is the sum of parts taken from better games....that you've played endlessly...a decade earlier.

 

[yansolo]

you don't always have to like what everyone else likes

 

[Y0ssarian]

So yes he is trolling. This is a fact.

Are these trolls in the room with us right now, anon?

 

[Jormatar]

It's an amazing game but far from perfect.

I felt like most of the end game bosses were annoying to fight with due to their countless move sets and crazy input tracking when you tried to heal. Seemed like they wanted to force players use summons or ranged attacks. 2h STR builds really got the short stick here, feelsbadman.

The massive open world is good time for your first playthrough but after you get into NG+ cycle you end up running around long distances with your mount and skipping most of the content because it's just not worth it to kill everything again. Sekiro-style gauntlet challenges would be great for this game.

But yeah, the game is still one of the best ever made. It's shame FROM stumbled on a few things but I would never call this game overrated.

 

[Fully engaged]

Hard disagree. What's the point of a professional critic if he just decides to turn a blind eye for every blatant flaw it has? I can understand this type of behavior from silly hardcore fans, because these deny every fact to praise their favorite stuff. But professionals should point out the issues, and the fact is that ER has a lot of them to be ignored.

Because simply they don't view them with the same scrutiny with which you do. And in fairness they review things with in a limited time frame. What is more.. Their expectation was not the same as yours, as they had not seen every one else "Overrate" the game. They trusted their own feeling on how they felt. Your opinion is based on failed expectation due to high praise theirs was not.

To add further to the "Overrated games" point, I played both Elden Ring and Breath of the Wild extensively at launch without watching, reading or taking in any one else's professional opinion. I had finished both games, launch frame rate issues and all, before I ever started looking at other peoples opinions. I loved both games. The faults people dragged both games for did not bother me at all, because I just thought they were not really issues.
However, I came late to playing God of War 2018. I had seen countless videos both praising and criticizing the game.. and so I saw the faults and stopped playing the game halfway through. Would I have enjoyed GOW if I had never read a single opinion on it? Very likely. I don't think GOW is overrated.. It just was not a game I personally enjoyed. For a number of reasons. I enjoyed Fallen Order despite reading it was not a genre defining game. My expectations for GOW were high, even though I view myself as someone who thinks for themselves, where as, my expectation for Fallen Order were not that high at all. Expectation is a mother fucker.

 

[YoungEmperor96]

Hard disagree. What's the point of a professional critic if he just decides to turn a blind eye for every blatant flaw it has? I can understand this type of behavior from silly hardcore fans, because these deny every fact to praise their favorite stuff. But professionals should point out the issues, and the fact is that ER has a lot of them to be ignored.

This is something that has happened so far. Most of the reviewers are still emotional, for them even the game has flaws but if its strengths crush its weaknesses, and they love the game, they will still give it a 9 or 10. If evaluated objectively, both BOTW, TW3 or RDR2, ER don't deserve their Metascore. All of them have flaws, subjective or objective. But they still have that score, a lot of people still love them. Sometimes someone doesn't like them and makes a topic calling them overrated. And can anything change? Personally while I still prefer BB but ER is the best open world I've played. It's the only openworld I explored every nook and cranny, and did it twice. You don't like the ER - that's OK. You can't change other people's opinions about the game, and people can't change yours

 

[ReBurn]

It has sparkles

 

[Varteras]

It has sparkles

All of the sparkles!

 

[gatti-man]

I found it over rated in the sense that people are complimenting bad or dated game design. Cheap insta death mechanics aren’t some new cool thing. If you’ve played demons souls you’ve played Elden Ring. It just felt like an evolution of a game I’ve played 3 times already. Good but not zomg amazing like people make it out to be.

 

[Rea]

Not in every aspect of the game, but in terms solely of open world I think TW3 and Zelda BotW do better. Zelda because you can use the environment, including weather, as elements of advantage in combat, although I also quite disliked the dungeons also for being too repetitive. And TW3 for feeling so damn alive, with events similar to RDR happening and crazy characters and quests to make. RDR2 is also pretty amazing in that regard, but I won't compare it directly because it's a different genre.

That's exactly how i feel. The witcher 3 and BOTW and RDR2 are the best open world games for me, each with a different taste.

 

[Eevee86]

Dumped this game ten hours in and went and played something fun.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I have been playing the game for quite some time now, but I expected so much better specially given how well received it was. It has so many flaws that would never have a pass for pretty much any other 3rd party franchise, that I can't even comprehend how it has been so highly regarded.

First, the main issue: The open world exploration SUCKS TREMENDOUSLY! I haven't been that much bored by exploration for so long. Not even Far Cry and Assassin's Creed have been this boring to explore, and I do consider them quite boring nowadays. There's no reward to wander around the map, other than that sense of finally finding a cave with some sort of decent level design to go through and fight a boss. The open world is basically a huge useless HUB which you need to traverse to find the actual content of the game.

The open world exploration is absolutely brilliant. You have to actively search and look for dungeons and buildings, doing so often rewards you with amazing weapons, summons, and items that expand your tool kit.

And talking about caves, good Lord, they were definitely not ashamed at all to recycle content. I have been in pretty much the same catacomb numerous times. Dungeons with extremely similar looks and patterns: you get into a cave, rest at the state of grace, go down stairs and find a locked door, then make your way through this little dungeon, pull a lever, come back to the start, the door is open, fight the boss. Also, the boss might be one you have already fought like 3 or 4 times already before, with slightly variation of attacks and carrying a different weapon. Still, it's already MUCH better than wandering that barren open world.

Aside from a couple of caves early on, almost nothing is “recycled”. They slowly grow more and more labyrinthian and intricate, sometimes with numerous bosses and high level challenges. There also is only a few bosses they “recycle”, but most tend to be pretty unique in their own right, with different movesets and environments to fight them in, offering newer challenges that build on each other.

Also barren open world? What game are you playing? Elden Ring absolutely is *not* barren.

I'm also under the impression that From Software can't figure out anymore how to make the game more challenging to it's players other than making bosses faster, with extremely high poise, and with big combos that will lock you until they manage to break your defense and fuck you up. This is the "easiest" Soul game because you basically need to kill dozens of optional bosses in order to overpower the main ones.

Translation: “I suck and had to grind because I couldn’t beat bosses normally so I make up excuses on why I couldn’t beat them the first time!”

Also fighting with big and slow weapons is a chore now, because the window you have now to damage the bosses is minimal before they restart their combo cycle. The balance that the previous games used to provide is pretty much gone.

Played through the game three times now, once as a Magic build, once as a Ultra Greatsword build, and once as a nimble twin blade build. There is absolutely no truth to what you say aside from like three bosses in a game that has over 50. You have large windows to damage the vast majority of bosses. If you don’t believe me, you can look up folks online and on twitter that do compilation videos of beating the shit out of super tough enemies with ultra great swords and other weapons.

And I won't even talk about the graphics and performance, this game runs worse in my computer than a lot of others that looks way better. But this is no surprise, and it's something that I can ignore as long as I'm having fun with the game.

Yea, the performance is the one area that genuinely has merit in your argument. The game should not have released int he manner it did for PCs.

But anyway, Elden Ring is like two steps backwards compared to all their previous games. Up until now, I always praised the level design of any Souls games, Bloodborne and Sekiro; but it is almost nonexistent in ER. After what they've done to Sekiro, I believed From Software was gonna be able to deliver their best next Souls game, but instead they gave me an unbalanced Boss Rush game with a useless and boring open world hub.

Edit: And because of this, some people in this thread traced my profile. A lowly degenarate that spend the day playing and praising Far Cry, Assassins Creed and Horizon, at my mother's basement, requiring for attention. The game might disappoint, but the hardcore fanbase never does.

Honestly it sounds like you never got past the first opening area and are basing the entire game off of the opening 3-4 hours.

 

[Johnny Concrete]

Dumped this game ten hours in and went and played something fun.

What did you play instead?

 

[Rea]

Elden Ring is nice and a very good game like thier previous dark souls games. But i don't like idea of an open world with dark fantasy games, it feels so god damn empty. After playing 70hrs, I'm tired of galloping around empty places and sick of falling to death. And the game mechanics is unbalanced. Still love this game but it's not 10/10 game. Sekiro and Bloodborne are still my favorite FromSoftware game.

 

[YoungEmperor96]

That's exactly how i feel. The witcher 3 and BOTW and RDR2 are the best open world games for me, each with a different taste.

This is called diversity of opinion. I also love TW3 and ER, but find BOTW and RDR2 completely snoozefest. I don't understand why people can see the game with outdated script missions, terrible control, and repetitive gunplay like RD2 good

 

[Rea]

This is called diversity of opinion. I also love TW3 and ER, but find BOTW and RDR2 completely snoozefest. I don't understand why people can see the game with outdated script missions, terrible control, and repetitive gunplay like RD2 good

It's called preference, it's like asking some people who like spicy food, "why do they like spicy foods".

 

[Eevee86]

What did you play instead?

Triangle Strategy.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Even the greatest games have people who dont like them. Zelda OOT, Half Life 2, Zelda BOTW, The Last of US, Dark Souls, Final Fantasy 6/7, GTA SA, God of War 2018 etc.

For those people who dont like them, the game is overrated. But its a personal choice.

Just like my dislike for Mario Galaxy is in the minorities and probably wrong. In my opinion Mario Galaxy games are the worst 3D Mario games and its not even close. But majority love it and thats cool. ( Still sucks big time lol )

 

[SlimySnake]

The problem is calling something, which majority of people enjoy it an overrated product.

Its ok to have issues with the game, which you don't like it. But calling it the most overrated, because you have issues kinda defeats your point.

Just like how you have issues with the game, people like those issues.

After decade of boring open world, elden ring is the new fresh of open world. Too many dangerous stuff, and it makes you use your brain.

Man who cares. It's a thread title. It's a conversation opener. He didnt make a low effort post. He had a lot of well thought out criticisms and reasonings to support his argument.

You accuse him of dismissing the game by calling it overrated, and yet you dismiss his criticisms without ever actually countering them. you are doing the same exact thing you are accusing him of doing. At least, he put in the effort of playing the game and jotting down his criticisms. you just posted a gif.

 

[Thief1987]

It's very overrated, yeah. Fully agree with all points in the OP. Still good but nothing exceptional. Pointless OW, tons of recycled content, second half being complete shitshow dragging it down.